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I think its time to create an official warning about upgrading using Kies

Over the past week I have helped 3 people that have had there phones messed up by the updating process of Kies. Thankfully they was all recoverable, but I actually think it won't be long before we see bricks using this software;+( So be careful guys, use Odin whenever you can
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I update using Kies and it went fine, don't have any other software on my laptop.
How do you mind explaining ?

Gavin.csy said:
I update using Kies and it went fine, don't have any other software on my laptop.
How do you mind explaining ?
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Well its been kicking phones out mid flash, if this happens while flashing the radio segment, its a dead phone:/
If you check intratechs thread in the dev section it will show you a better and safer method through Odin. Plus you will have the advantages of getting roms earlier sometimes
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JupiterdroidXDA said:
Well its been kicking phones out mid flash, if this happens while flashing the radio segment, its a dead phone:/
If you check intratechs thread in the dev section it will show you a better and safer method through Odin. Plus you will have the advantages of getting roms earlier sometimes
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are we talking about unnoficial flashes or official flashes? if it bricks with kies wont samsung be forced to replace my bricked phone?

typical "user error"

TheWarKeeper said:
are we talking about unnoficial flashes or official flashes? if it bricks with kies wont samsung be forced to replace my bricked phone?
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Yes they have in the past on SGS 1 or at least fixed the phone FOC .
Plus a bricked phone is very rare on SGS flash stock rom through Odin cures 99% .
Dead radio just flash a new Modem through Odin .
jje

JJEgan said:
Yes they have in the past on SGS 1 or at least fixed the phone FOC .
Plus a bricked phone is very rare on SGS flash stock rom through Odin cures 99% .
Dead radio just flash a new Modem through Odin .
jje
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ok thanks for the info

JJEgan said:
Yes they have in the past on SGS 1 or at least fixed the phone FOC .
Plus a bricked phone is very rare on SGS flash stock rom through Odin cures 99% .
Dead radio just flash a new Modem through Odin .
jje
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If the radio has been partially flashed and stopped mid flash i think that corrupts the baseband with no return. I remember that the only real way to brick a Nexus was to stop the flash process while the baseband was being wrote to.
And yes samsung would be obliged to give you a new phone or repair the damage caused if Kies is the culprit

Yeh kies is not very good, I've had many time outs.
If you are worried about flashing via odin don't be you can get official Rom to flash via odin.
They are Roms that Samsung has releases .
Read the simple instructions and flash via odin, once you do it one you will see how easy it is
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Random mate but where did you go on twitter? Lol
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I can't help but wondering how on earth someone manages to mess up a Kies update?
Unless they are running some custom rom/kernel...or somehow have a running process that interferes with kies during the update.
I have never had a problem updating through kies from official firmware.
So I am a bit puzzled when I hear this...

Yes, thanks a lot for creating this thread. Kies has been suffering in the firmware upgrade issue for a long time now. It is time for solving the issue with sincere urgency.
SHAME ON SAMSUNG.
Regards.

Yeah u r right,,,kies dont even work anymore,,,whenever i try to update,it just download the firmware and just before the flashing process a message pop up saying "FirmwareUpdate has been stopped",,,its damn irritating,,,i guess it doesnt work on Win 7...
But i wanted to ask something for a while,,,i see some people here are just "obsessed" with flashing firmwares and roms now and then ,,,,i wonder that isnt it a bit tiring to install all those apps again and again,,i mean i know google restores ur apps,,,but what about those which are ummm cracked?? (i kinda have alot of cracked games i bought only a few)...
Atleast with a Kies update all ur apps remain secure...

jimbiye said:
I can't help but wondering how on earth someone manages to mess up a Kies update?
Unless they are running some custom rom/kernel...or somehow have a running process that interferes with kies during the update.
I have never had a problem updating through kies from official firmware.
So I am a bit puzzled when I hear this...
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Kies from day one has been unreliable for a number of reasons mostly not user problems .
For starters its driver setup and use has always been poor .
Its connection setup is not robust likewise its failure to recover from broken downloads .
Kies in a nutshell does not recover from errors and is error prone even for the most advanced users .
jje

guitarmafia said:
Yeah u r right,,,kies dont even work anymore,,,whenever i try to update,it just download the firmware and just before the flashing process a message pop up saying "FirmwareUpdate has been stopped",,,its damn irritating,,,i guess it doesnt work on Win 7...
But i wanted to ask something for a while,,,i see some people here are just "obsessed" with flashing firmwares and roms now and then ,,,,i wonder that isnt it a bit tiring to install all those apps again and again,,i mean i know google restores ur apps,,,but what about those which are ummm cracked?? (i kinda have alot of cracked games i bought only a few)...
Atleast with a Kies update all ur apps remain secure...
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As we on XDA support the Devs and do not rip them off we do not have cracked software .
jje

jimbiye said:
I can't help but wondering how on earth someone manages to mess up a Kies update?
Unless they are running some custom rom/kernel...or somehow have a running process that interferes with kies during the update.
I have never had a problem updating through kies from official firmware.
So I am a bit puzzled when I hear this...
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It's just a matter of bad luck. It can happen, and maybe it'll happen to you one day. You can't always blame this on the user. Like for example, there's a power blackout in the middle of a flash and your computer suddenly turns off. Nothing you can do about it, yet you're screwed.
Kies is like that, it's a not a completely safe piece of sofware. Even flashing the bios on a computer isn't. Thing is, Odin allows you to flash official firmwares and is generally safer. There's no real reason to prefer Kies over Odin.

on your phone, go Setting:
About phone --> Software update -->Check for update
that got my phone updated to KF4(1st try).. tired with kies but no luck(2-3 hrs+ many dl errors)

Guitarfreak26 said:
Random mate but where did you go on twitter? Lol
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Hi mate,
Yeah i was under the cosh at uni and soooo busy, deleted my profile on here too, only just reactivated...
At the time i was dicing between turning to the dark side so i thought i would not need my XDA account anymore

JupiterdroidXDA said:
Hi mate,
Yeah i was under the cosh at uni and soooo busy, deleted my profile on here too, only just reactivated...
At the time i was dicing between turning to the dark side so i thought i would not need my XDA account anymore
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Glad you didnt! Galaxy2 is a great device

JupiterdroidXDA said:
At the time i was dicing between turning to the dark side so i thought i would not need my XDA account anymore
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I can smell the apple all over you

NEED HELP. Kies update fail!

Was updating my standard, stock UK T-Mobile GS2 through Kies, following it exactly.
It was downloading and then it said when it began updating, that the connection has been lost (with the phone)
It was from PDA:KE3 / PHONE:KF1 / CSC:KE3 to PDA:KE3 / PHONE:KF1 / CSC:KF1.
It then came up with the prompt to disconnect the cable, then battery, then replace battery and turn on and then try again. BUT should I do this?
BECAUSE my GS2 has the Android robot and says "Downloading" "Do not turn off target!!" on it?
It's been doing this for the past 30 minutes or so.
Any help is greatly appreciated.

well if you mess up your phone following kies' instructions you will still be under warranty if you have not rooted your phone

godutch said:
well if you mess up your phone following kies' instructions you will still be under warranty if you have not rooted your phone
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Eugh...warrenty. so much effort. never made a complete backup of all my apps and stuff.
I have slow internet...so I'm going to leave it till like 12, even though that might actually cause screen burn. then i'll turn it off and on again. :/

if you used kies it will have made the backup just before updating

godutch said:
if you used kies it will have made the backup just before updating
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it doesn't do apps and all of that does it?

no but google does, so if you do a full wipe and re-register your phone with google it will start downloading all your market apps again automatically, you can check your apps in your market account
https://market.android.com/

Happened to me one i unplugged it before i knew the risks.
Ignorance is bliss.
Nothing happened all was fine.
Id suggest using odin, its faster.
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Its just in download mode? Try to hold down the power-button for a while until it turns off. Unless your PC is still doing something the download mode does nothing

daivik said:
Was updating my standard, stock UK T-Mobile GS2 through Kies, following it exactly.
It was downloading and then it said when it began updating, that the connection has been lost (with the phone)
It was from PDA:KE3 / PHONE:KF1 / CSC:KE3 to PDA:KE3 / PHONE:KF1 / CSC:KF1.
It then came up with the prompt to disconnect the cable, then battery, then replace battery and turn on and then try again. BUT should I do this?
BECAUSE my GS2 has the Android robot and says "Downloading" "Do not turn off target!!" on it?
It's been doing this for the past 30 minutes or so.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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Another kies mess up, always use Odin, read my thread mate... find instructions on how to use Odin on intratechs thread in the dev section. Kies is seriously messed up....
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Sent from my Samsung Galactic Crusader S II

daivik said:
Was updating my standard, stock UK T-Mobile GS2 through Kies, following it exactly.
It was downloading and then it said when it began updating, that the connection has been lost (with the phone)
It was from PDA:KE3 / PHONE:KF1 / CSC:KE3 to PDA:KE3 / PHONE:KF1 / CSC:KF1.
It then came up with the prompt to disconnect the cable, then battery, then replace battery and turn on and then try again. BUT should I do this?
BECAUSE my GS2 has the Android robot and says "Downloading" "Do not turn off target!!" on it?
It's been doing this for the past 30 minutes or so.
Any help is greatly appreciated.
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If your still having problems PM me and I will walk you through recovery, I just hope it has not failed while flashing the radio:/
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JupiterdroidXDA said:
Another kies mess up, always use Odin, read my thread mate... find instructions on how to use Odin on intratechs thread in the dev section. Kies is seriously messed up....
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yup that's the way to win an argument, only see all the evidence in favor of your argument whilst ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
KIES is fine for most people and the OP should just use KIES to try and solve his problems first at least he will still be under warranty unlike a wrong odin flash

godutch said:
yup that's the way to win an argument, only see all the evidence in favor of your argument whilst ignoring the evidence to the contrary.
KIES is fine for most people and the OP should just use KIES to try and solve his problems first at least he will still be under warranty unlike a wrong odin flash
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The argument has already been won
Look at the title, stop deluding yourself mate and understand this software is doing damage. There is another one also just popped up on the q & a board, I don't understand your anti Odin stance, you seem to know a thing or two as well.
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sorry for hijacking this thread,
does flashing using odin void the warranty? my device was shipped with a german DBT rom and due to the fact that there is no ke7 dbt rom on this forum, i used odin to flash ke7 xeu. does that affect my warranty? i used the jig to get into download mode, as i am too stupid to access it through the buttons (although bootloader mode on winmo always worked for me, it isn't the fingers then ). my device is not rooted, nor has it ever had anything else than a stock rom on it and i never had the yellow triangle.
again, sorry for hijacking, i realize that this is a serious issue, but while we are on the topic of kies vs. odin, losing the warranty would be a clear pro for kies.

Chef_Tony said:
sorry for hijacking this thread,
does flashing using odin void the warranty? my device was shipped with a german DBT rom and due to the fact that there is no ke7 dbt rom on this forum, i used odin to flash ke7 xeu. does that affect my warranty? i used the jig to get into download mode, as i am too stupid to access it through the buttons (although bootloader mode on winmo always worked for me, it isn't the fingers then ). my device is not rooted, nor has it ever had anything else than a stock rom on it and i never had the yellow triangle.
again, sorry for hijacking, i realize that this is a serious issue, but while we are on the topic of kies vs. odin, losing the warranty would be a clear pro for kies.
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I think that so long as you flash official software, the warranty is fine. Its once you root/flash custom roms that the warranty may be affected.

Chef_Tony said:
sorry for hijacking this thread,
does flashing using odin void the warranty? my device was shipped with a german DBT rom and due to the fact that there is no ke7 dbt rom on this forum, i used odin to flash ke7 xeu. does that affect my warranty? i used the jig to get into download mode, as i am too stupid to access it through the buttons (although bootloader mode on winmo always worked for me, it isn't the fingers then ). my device is not rooted, nor has it ever had anything else than a stock rom on it and i never had the yellow triangle.
again, sorry for hijacking, i realize that this is a serious issue, but while we are on the topic of kies vs. odin, losing the warranty would be a clear pro for kies.
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You don't totally rule out warranty, it just becomes samsungs discretion they look at the flash counter, which you can incidentally reset using a USB jig
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JupiterdroidXDA said:
You don't totally rule out warranty, it just becomes samsungs discretion they look at the flash counter, which you can incidentally reset using a USB jig
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I believe that counter increments only on unsigned firmware. Official stuff should be signed ok

pulser_g2 said:
I believe that counter increments only on unsigned firmware. Official stuff should be signed ok
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I can confirm that. My fiance's sgs2 has only had stock software flashed, and the counter is still on 0. Her phone has been updated both via Odin and by Kies.

pulser_g2 said:
I believe that counter increments only on unsigned firmware. Official stuff should be signed ok
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Fantastic
Even more reason to use Odin lol
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JupiterdroidXDA said:
The argument has already been won
Look at the title, stop deluding yourself mate and understand this software is doing damage. There is another one also just popped up on the q & a board, I don't understand your anti Odin stance, you seem to know a thing or two as well.
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There are millions of people who succesfully use KIES to update their phones, a very small fraction have problems and come here, a tiny amount of people use ODIN to upgrade their phone, it does not take very long to find threads from people who have messed up their phone using ODIN. It's like advising a little kid who has cut his finger with kiddy scissors to use real scissors instead.

godutch said:
There are millions of people who succesfully use KIES to update their phones, a very small fraction have problems and come here, a tiny amount of people use ODIN to upgrade their phone, it does not take very long to find threads from people who have messed up their phone using ODIN. It's like advising a little kid who has cut his finger with kiddy scissors to use real scissors instead.
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I don't discredit your post whatsoever, I understand your logic, but I have never heard of someone messing their phone up who read instructions and flashed properly using Odin. People that flash kies normally, have a chance of messing their phone up, even though statistically small. Knowing that the benifits of Odin still outweigh kies, and that's from an experienced standpoint. Also backed up by giants in the field like pulsar and intratech, but your opinion is respected, I just don't choose to follow it, would rather follow advice from experience and developers always pal
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New Note 3

I just got my Note 3 and the first thing I did was root it. The problem is that I forgot to perform a software update. Now when I try to update the software, I get the message that I can't update because my phone is modified. Is there a way to download and manually install the latest software update?

This should be in Q&A....mods will either delete it or move it for you.
To answer you...depending on your region the stock firmware may or may not be available for you to odin back to stock.
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use triangle away to restore official status. Then update and reroot (from what i heared, ony the international N3 had a firmware update) Usually, if there was one for you, as soon as you would have connected to the internet it would have told you, unless you rooted without first connecting the phone to the internet

polish_pat said:
use triangle away to restore official status. Then update and reroot (from what i heared, ony the international N3 had a firmware update) Usually, if there was one for you, as soon as you would have connected to the internet it would have told you, unless you rooted without first connecting the phone to the internet
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Triangle away is not yet supported on note 3 to my knowledge.im sure CF will get to it though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46237100
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force70 said:
Triangle away is not yet supported on note 3 to my knowledge.im sure CF will get to it though.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=46237100
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That's not what I read from chain fire. Note 3 could be the death of triangle away
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polish_pat said:
use triangle away to restore official status. Then update and reroot (from what i heared, ony the international N3 had a firmware update) Usually, if there was one for you, as soon as you would have connected to the internet it would have told you, unless you rooted without first connecting the phone to the internet
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Triangle away not yet fully support for note 3
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Illusive Man said:
I just got my Note 3 and the first thing I did was root it. The problem is that I forgot to perform a software update. Now when I try to update the software, I get the message that I can't update because my phone is modified. Is there a way to download and manually install the latest software update?
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You can use kies to restore your phone back to stock. It will change your phone back to original status, without root. However there's nothing you can do on your knox warranty.
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Moved here as this does not belong in the Development Section.....

Thanks, guys. The phone is great the way it is, and I refuse to give up root if I can help it. I have faith in the devs here to overcome all issues!!

Galaxy Note 3 charging proplem!!!!

hey guys
i hope you all enjoyin the note 3 but recently i tried charging my note 3 sometimes it charges sometimes its not and it says dock is connected btw this happend to me in the note 1 back then so i decided to try cleanin the the usb on my phone wih a soft toothbrush or anything similar nothing worked so all what i have left is to get on back to the warrenty but the proplem is i rooted my phone using cf-root i worried they will cancel my warrenty but i noticed when i was using the firmware that it came with it had no warrenty bit 1.0 under download mod but now on the mk2 i have that so can i downgrade to mi5 so the warrenty bit should be gone and it will say official with hard rest without root
so what i need help about
is how to downgrade to mi5 using mobile odin tar version also remember i cant using pc odin because i cant connect my phone to my pc it says the dock is connected :S
thank you all

dannycanrock said:
hey guys
i hope you all enjoyin the note 3 but recently i tried charging my note 3 sometimes it charges sometimes its not and it says dock is connected btw this happend to me in the note 1 back then so i decided to try cleanin the the usb on my phone wih a soft toothbrush or anything similar nothing worked so all what i have left is to get on back to the warrenty but the proplem is i rooted my phone using cf-root i worried they will cancel my warrenty but i noticed when i was using the firmware that it came with it had no warrenty bit 1.0 under download mod but now on the mk2 i have that so can i downgrade to mi5 so the warrenty bit should be gone and it will say official with hard rest without root
so what i need help about
is how to downgrade to mi5 using mobile odin tar version also remember i cant using pc odin because i cant connect my phone to my pc it says the dock is connected :S
thank you all
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Sorry mate you can't downgrade any more Sammy won't allow it
Have you turned on usb debugging

jaythenut said:
Sorry mate you can't downgrade any more Sammy won't allow it
Have you turned on usb debugging
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opsss
r u sure about that not even a single way ?

dannycanrock said:
opsss
r u sure about that not even a single way ?
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Nope not possible
What about usb debugging have you turned it on

Yes I did nothing is working
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does any one know how much the usb port cost ?

[Q] Wi-Fi Function won't toggle

Hello,
Just the other day I decided to root my Samsung Galaxy S4 (SGH-I337M). Rooting was successful using CF-Auto-Root. But once I restarted restarted my deceive the phone got stuck on the samsung loading logo. From here I tried many temps to fix it. I tried using CF-Auto-Root again, but that failed. So I downloaded the stock firmware from Samsung's website. It loaded 4.2.2 on and worked. But the Wi-Fi button won't toggle on and whenever I restart the phone it says "KERNEL IS NOT SEANDROID ENFORCING".
Also, when I update the phone to the most current version though Kies, the phones becomes EXTREMELY slow and the Wi-Fi function still doesn't work.
What is happening? How do I fix it?
Thank you,
InfoPaste

Not sure if this is allowed... but bump..

InfoPaste said:
Not sure if this is allowed... but bump..
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The bump is ok if it's been 24 hours. Don't have a good answer for you but I'd try flashing the firmware in Odin again.
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jd1639 said:
The bump is ok if it's been 24 hours. Don't have a good answer for you but I'd try flashing the firmware in Odin again.
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Thank you, I have done that many times, and cant find any success.