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[Q] Atrix Camera Quality

I'm not trying to sound stupid but is there not a way to "up" the camera on the Atrix to an 8MP or so? The reason I even asked is that I am just joining you "elite" group of Atrix owners by stepping up from an XT711. Now before I get too flamed, the XT is really a great handset, or could have been if it hadn't been abandoned by Motorola. I have an XT711 with a xenon flash and 8mp camera that takes OUTSTANDING photos and beautiful HD video, I also bought my wife its little brother, the XT701 that has a 5mp camera. After doing alot of searching, I found a Chinese web site that had a flash file that I used to flash her phone and change her camera to 8mp also, and it worked beautifully! Her camera went from good pictures to great pictures and it was just a simple flash file. Now that my wife and I are both upgrading to the Atrix because of no future support, I am just wondering if this method could be used for the Atrix as well or if anyone has thought about or tried it. I dont know how they changed it in the file, and if I wasn't such a rookie, I would look in it and see cause I still have the zip file, but I wouldn't even know what I was looking at if I opened it. I am sure the camera should be similar to the "X" phone with its 8mp, and from the looks of it, it might actually be the same camera as the newly China released XT882, which is almost the same as the Atrix (actually maybe better with its dual sims) but its camera is sitting at 8mp, not 5mp. Well since I am just a noob, I figured I would at least ask if it had been thought of or tried because I know from my XT phones that those 3 little megapixels can make a very nice difference in your pictures and alot of people including myself would love to have it. Why couldn't it work if the camera was capable? Just curious and hopeful. Thanks in advance!

I can tell you that the difference between 5MP and 8MP is not important, especially on a camera phone that is not designed to print large resolution images in the first place.
You can't increase the megapixels by flashing software onto a phone. Most likely the update adjusted the white balance, aperture, focus, and color contrasts to make the image more appealing. The iPhone has already proven that a lower MP camera can easily beat-out a higher MP if the software and lens is good enough.
I don't know of any current projects related to the Atrix 4G camera software. However, there many camera apps that offer filters and other software related changes to your photos. I suggest checking all of the modes the Atrix 4G offers and then see if any of the 3rd party apps add additional features.

Are you sure that the software cannot be limiting the camera to 5mp? I only ask because I don't know, not because I don't believe. I just read the site where the XT701 upgrade is and it says the software is limiting the camera. I just thought possibly the Atrix could be as well. Here is the translated page:
http://translate.google.com/transla...0/08/08/update_xt701_carema_to_8mpix/&act=url
Well it was at least worth asking. Hopefully with the new GB update coming up, the camera will become more like what I am used to. Thanks!

[Q] [New Update] Improve Photo Quality

hi everyone,
is there a new update of tips or tricks in improving Nexus 4's default camera app photos ?
is there a way a paid camera app to way make the Nexus 4's photo quality much like the Htc one X or the iphone 5 ?
Note: I already know about the nexus 4 modified photo hack in increasing its photo file size.

souleater11 said:
hi everyone,
is there a new update of tips or tricks in improving Nexus 4's default camera app photos ?
is there a way a paid camera app to way make the Nexus 4's photo quality much like the Htc one X or the iphone 5 ?
Note: I already know about the nexus 4 modified photo hack in increasing its photo file size.
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No.

My wife has a HTC One X and I don't think the difference is that great. I think it is more how the N4 displays pics than how it takes pic. I can send a pic I took with my phone to my wife and it looks better on her phone. When she sends me a pic, it doesn't look the same as it does on her phone. Regardless of which camera was used, pics on her phone look more vibrant, while pics on my phone look a little more washed out.
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fernandezhjr said:
My wife has a HTC One X and I don't think the difference is that great. I think it is more how the N4 displays pics than how it takes pic. I can send a pic I took with my phone to my wife and it looks better on her phone. When she sends me a pic, it doesn't look the same as it does on her phone. Regardless of which camera was used, pics on her phone look more vibrant, while pics on my phone look a little more washed out.
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That`s why God created devs who create custom kernels and color controll

The majority of camera quality depends on the hardware in each phone. Megapixel count is useless these days in phones and point and shoots. What matters is the sensor size/quality, ISO levels, shutter speed, etc. Software can only enhance so much of what the hardware will do the bulk of. Unfortunately, these specs typically aren't readily available on phones, normally only the megapixel count is listed.

fernandezhjr said:
My wife has a HTC One X and I don't think the difference is that great. I think it is more how the N4 displays pics than how it takes pic. I can send a pic I took with my phone to my wife and it looks better on her phone. When she sends me a pic, it doesn't look the same as it does on her phone. Regardless of which camera was used, pics on her phone look more vibrant, while pics on my phone look a little more washed out.
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I found that the way the Nexus displays the pic AS you're taking it is pretty poor quality. Like right after you snap a pic and it shoves that shot aside so you can take another, the quality of that pic seems really poor but when I actually go into Gallery and view the picture, it has crazy-good quality. That threw me off the first few times I took pics with my Nexus. I thought the picture quality was sub-par, because I had taken around a dozen pics at different times before actually viewing them and each time they looked bad. Once I went and viewed them, I was pleasantly surprised at the quality.
I feel like if you need more than 8 megapixels to capture whatever moment you're photographing, then you should be using something more than a cellphone. Most people expect their cellphone to produce profession-grade photographs and I think that's unrealistic. And correct me if I'm wrong, I'm no photographer, but isn't it impossible to even display all of the 8 million pixels taken by the Nexus 4 on the screen, or even a standard 1920x1080 pixel screen? Again, I'm not a professional so I could be wrong, I'm just breaking down the word 'megapixel' and doing the math based on that.

after updating to 4.4.1 the camera seems better.
i went further by installing nexus 5 camera apk. the nexus 5 camera apk in 4.4.1 is about 1mb larger in size than in nexus 4. i have no idea whats the difference, but i am quiet satisfied now. atleast in daytime.. low light is still a no no. i wished they had included IS in nexus 4

[how to] capture pictures from ALL 3 cameras (in RGB, yes)

If you want to experiment with your HTC One (M8) and want to know about the "secret" second rear camera, then this thread is for you. Works with M8 ONLY!
HTC told the press and the htcdev-members (after releasing the SDK) recently that the second lens of the "duo camera" would be something like a depth sensor. It turns out that this is definitely not the case. It is just a simple RGB-cam with 1080p resolution.
I read about the functionality and concept behind the camera on the following page (German only):
Concept of HTC One M8's Duo-Camera (title modified/translated)
On the page there is a sample App called DuoCamTest. It needs a rooted M8, APK and source can be downloaded.
The guys there used an internal debug-interface located at /system/bin/camera_test to take two pictures at the same time. One with full resolution (4 MP) and one with 2 MP (Full HD) using the second rear camera. On a rooted device you can play around with it.
I discovered a way to identify all the three camera-modules. Don't know, if somebody did this before, sorry:
Code:
cat /sys/android_camera/sensor
cat /sys/android_camera2/sensor
cat /sys/android_camera3/sensor
OK, that was easy. Have fun.

its said to be Duo camera means two cameras but HTC decided to name the smaller one as "depth sensor".

Here's the APK to make it easier for everyone.

RealMcAlec said:
If you want to experiment with your HTC One (M8) and want to know about the "secret" second rear camera, then this thread is for you. Works with M8 ONLY!
HTC told the press and the htcdev-members (after releasing the SDK) recently that the second lens of the "duo camera" would be something like a depth sensor. It turns out that this is definitely not the case. It is just a simple RGB-cam with 1080p resolution.
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Would it be possible for us to take 1080p pictures with improved color/quality?

This app says that it proves the second sensor is a regular cam instead of a magical depth sensor.
Nobody made the claim it wasn't, HTC said the second camera is used for depth information. Key word is used here.
Just my two cents
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superchilpil said:
This app says that it proves the second sensor is a regular cam instead of a magical depth sensor.
Nobody made the claim it wasn't, HTC said the second camera is used for depth information. Key word is used here.
Just my two cents
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Well someone had to make the claim, else where did the claim come from?
Just my two cents

LG G3 vs Sony Xperia Z2 Camera

I am interested in both these phones and am having trouble deciding due to the various camera reviews.
I am specifically interested in how each camera handles moving objects like kids or pets running as this is what I take most pics of.
Please post any samples here. Thanks kindly.
Edit - please don't post any YouTube links. I have watched every video comparing the two. Real world results are much better for everyone here.
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ipmanwck said:
I am interested in both these phones and am having trouble deciding due to the various camera reviews.
I am specifically interested in how each camera handles moving objects like kids or pets running as this is what I take most pics of.
Please post any samples here. Thanks kindly.
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I didn't have the Z2, but I had the Z1 and it was by far the worst camera I had used on any phone. All the pics had a huge amount of noise and tended to look painted. When the Kit Kat update came and there was no improvement I moved on from the Z1. Seeing as the Z1 and Z2 have the same camera I imagine it's the same situation with the Z2.
The G3 camera is at the opposite end of the spectrum and delivers the best still shots I have seen on a phone, certainly comparable to a dedicated camera. Absolutely no regrets moving on from the Z1 or M8 to this phone.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/LG-G3-vs-Sony-Xperia-Z2_id3727/page/3

z2 camera
I have to say I have a z2 and it is by far the BEST camera I have ever used in a smart phone. -MOD EDIT- and no swearing please.It has been rated the best camera on the market over the I phone. And where the person said the pictures looked painted it's because the pictures are really that clear. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real. I had an s4 which was a 13 mp camera which was very good but this z2 in auto mode which is only 8mp and it takes beautiful pictures. And yes the comparison where it won was compared in 8mp mode so the playing field was even. You can shoot in 15.5 and 20.7 mp modes and it shoots amazing motion pictures. I take lots of pictures of my dogs playing and running and jumping and there is no noise and blows away the htc one m8 and the galaxy s5.I don't think the g3 could possibly take better pictures. I haven't used one because it's not available but trust me sony makes absolutely amazing phone cameras. They probably made the ones on the g3 and s5.but the z2s is a higher megapixel. And it's on a Sony product.

I hope the Z2 is way better than Z1, because Z1 is just an ok cam.
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mit3283 said:
The person who said it is the worst camera ever is an idiot. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real.
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Actually I said the Z1 was the worst phone camera I had used as it had a lot of artifacting and noise. I can imagine there might have been some improvement with the Z2. Heck I was taking better pictures with the M8 than with my Z1.
This is not my opinion alone, take a look at some of the earlier posts in the Z1 picture thread.
In any event the G3 has a really good camera that I enjoy. YMMV.

I'm in the same boat. I'm choosing between the G3 and Z2, and camera is the most important thing for me since I take a lot of pics of my 3 kids, so particularly picture of moving object.
I did a lot of reading on G3 vs. Z2 and their camera. This one seems to have the most details:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...one-5s-LG-G2-Sony-Xperia-Z2-HTC-One-M8_id3728
In this review G3 did very well, best in 2 of the 3 main categories (detail and indoor), and best in 3 of the 4 minor categories (Panorama, HDR, and night). However it didn't talk much about picture of moving objects. I'd appreciate input on specifically this.

mit3283 said:
I have to say I have a z2 and it is by far the BEST camera I have ever used in a smart phone. -MOD EDIT- and no swearing please.It has been rated the best camera on the market over the I phone. And where the person said the pictures looked painted it's because the pictures are really that clear. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real. I had an s4 which was a 13 mp camera which was very good but this z2 in auto mode which is only 8mp and it takes beautiful pictures. And yes the comparison where it won was compared in 8mp mode so the playing field was even. You can shoot in 15.5 and 20.7 mp modes and it shoots amazing motion pictures. I take lots of pictures of my dogs playing and running and jumping and there is no noise and blows away the htc one m8 and the galaxy s5.I don't think the g3 could possibly take better pictures. I haven't used one because it's not available but trust me sony makes absolutely amazing phone cameras. They probably made the ones on the g3 and s5.but the z2s is a higher megapixel. And it's on a Sony product.
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This is the kind of feedback we are after in here. Thanks so much for the info. Could you please post some pics here of your moving pets in 8mp superior mode that would be really helpful. Thanks again.
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Any smartphone is going to struggle when taking shots of moving objects. That's simply due to the size of the sensor and how fast the lens operates.
A good test is to get someone to stand still in front of the lens and take a shot whilst they are waving back at you.
A decent digital camera with a good fast lens will keep both the person and their waving hand clear and sharp.
A blur free shot will require a fast shutter, something a smartphone struggles to achieve in anything other than bright and clear lighting.

Beards said:
Any smartphone is going to struggle when taking shots of moving objects. That's simply due to the size of the sensor and how fast the lens operates.
A good test is to get someone to stand still in front of the lens and take a shot whilst they are waving back at you.
A decent digital camera with a good fast lens will keep both the person and their waving hand clear and sharp.
A blur free shot will require a fast shutter, something a smartphone struggles to achieve in anything other than bright and clear lighting.
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Thanks for the info but as the title states I just want real world comparisons. Some mobiles capture .motion much better than others and due to the bigger sensor was hoping z2 would do well but jury is still out until further pics are posted.
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ipmanwck said:
Thanks for the info but as the title states I just want real world comparisons. Some mobiles capture .motion much better than others and due to the bigger sensor was hoping z2 would do well but jury is still out until further pics are posted.
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No problem.
To part answer your request, the Sony Z2 has a slightly larger sensor at 1/2.3" over the LG G3 1/3".
So, based on sensor size alone the Z2 wins this.
However, sensor size alone won't guarantee a better shot and this is where LG needs to up its stakes.
Will it do it..... Well I currently have a Z2 which is miles better than the Z1 I previously had.
Unfortunately, even with it's larger sensor it fails to capture a steady and clear blur free shot. A moving hand is just a blur.
Sorry I do not have any shots at hand to show this. For shots of say my grandchildren running around as if they are all driving formula one cars I always go straight to one of my fast digital cameras. Not even a dedicated small compact digital camera will take a blur free shot.
I'll be getting a UK LG G3 in the next couple of weeks and it will be a great phone.
I'll use it for many tasks including photos but I won't expect it to capture any blur free shots.
But to sum up your question...... Of the two my money would go to the G3. It may not be able to achieve what you are asking but what with OIS hardware and that Laser focus they will help photos to be much clearer where lighting is not ideal.

for me, with moving objects most of the times i don't go the picture route. i go to camera, scroll down that button on upper right to switch to video mode.

The only phone that can take less blurry pics is m7 and m8, that was the point. Shutter speed is a bit higher. I have tried all the ones in my signature at the same target, my kids ☺
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dondavis007 said:
The only phone that can take less blurry pics is m7 and m8, that was the point. Shutter speed is a bit higher. I have tried all the ones in my signature at the same target, my kids ☺
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I had 3 x M7s all had the purple tint issue due to poor heat shielding and the camera was rubbish. HTC thought it would be a good idea to use the same camera in the m8 !! It still blurred in indoor motion shots and really the camera is not good from experience. Thanks for the opinion though but lets stick to the mentioned handsets.
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ipmanwck said:
I had 3 x M7s all had the purple tint issue due to poor heat shielding and the camera was rubbish. HTC thought it would be a good idea to use the same camera in the m8 !! It still blurred in indoor motion shots and really the camera is not good from experience. Thanks for the opinion though but lets stick to the mentioned handsets.
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You're holding it wrong [emoji1]. The word a bit doesn't make it a dslr. Out of my sig those is the best for motion blur, nothing else.
You went back to the HOX?
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dondavis007 said:
You're holding it wrong [emoji1]. The word a bit doesn't make it a dslr. Out of my sig those is the best for motion blur, nothing else.
You went back to the HOX?
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This is a temporary phone. Got it off eBay for 100. One x +. Had the s4 for a while after the m7 fiasco ! Not getting into the HTC camera issues here as this is not the forum for it but if your happy with your HTC phone camera then that's good but why are you here then ? If you have a z2 please post pics.
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I'm sorry but the Xperia Z2 appears to be far superior to the G3 in everything but focus time or when the LED is used.
Since 4.4.2 and the latest camera app, the Sony is finally taking the photos it was always meant to. Even auto mode is now good, which is saying something.
But there's obviously more to the G3 than just the camera.

I have never used a z2 but z1 compact was absolutely awful. Even with the lack of mega pixels i am very impressed with the g3 camera i am going to do a lumia 1020 vs g3 thread tomorrow. I think you will be suprised how good the g3 camera is.

mit3283 said:
I have to say I have a z2 and it is by far the BEST camera I have ever used in a smart phone. -MOD EDIT- and no swearing please.It has been rated the best camera on the market over the I phone. And where the person said the pictures looked painted it's because the pictures are really that clear. They are so crystal clear that they don't look real. I had an s4 which was a 13 mp camera which was very good but this z2 in auto mode which is only 8mp and it takes beautiful pictures. And yes the comparison where it won was compared in 8mp mode so the playing field was even. You can shoot in 15.5 and 20.7 mp modes and it shoots amazing motion pictures. I take lots of pictures of my dogs playing and running and jumping and there is no noise and blows away the htc one m8 and the galaxy s5.I don't think the g3 could possibly take better pictures. I haven't used one because it's not available but trust me sony makes absolutely amazing phone cameras. They probably made the ones on the g3 and s5.but the z2s is a higher megapixel. And it's on a Sony product.
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does it still overheat? i had the z2 and that was the only thing that i didnt like about it

lg g3 is better
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[Discussion] HTC Eye

So I've been reading multiple articles talking about HTC releasing another variant of the M8 called HTC Eye which is basically just the M8 with an updated front facing camera as well as a 13mp back camera, honestly they should have done this the first time around but I'd like to hear otherwise people's thoughts on this, will you be purchasing the new phone or will you stick with what you have, personally I probably will be switching because I take a lot of pictures and this camera is terrible even with its "ultrapixel" feature.

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So I've been reading multiple articles talking about HTC releasing another variant of the M8 called HTC Eye which is basically just the M8 with an updated front facing camera as well as a 13mp back camera, honestly they should have done this the first time around but I'd like to hear otherwise people's thoughts on this, will you be purchasing the new phone or will you stick with what you have, personally I probably will be switching because I take a lot of pictures and this camera is terrible even with its "ultrapixel" feature.
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It was leaked that the device code name M8_eye will have the same hardware as the original except the 13MP Duo Camera. the front facing camera is the same 5MP. Keep in mind that this statement is not 100% accurate or true. if HTC took this route then it might mean that the HTC one M8 is the last phone with Ultra pixels. Sadly i wish if HTC tried to do something for better pictures keeping the Ultra Pixel technology instead of ditching it as it take very good night shots but it seems that people wont appreciate low pixel count and want a higher MP even tho the 4 Ultra Pixel Camera takes overall better shots than the 13MP found on the Desire 816 in terms of color accuracy and lighting ( thanks to @hamdir for comparison) keeping the only issue is zooming. everything will be revealed on the 8th of Oct so lets see what HTC is hiding for us.

But I had also heard that the back camera could still use the ultra pixel technology, I'd this is true it would mean that the camera would be one of the absolute best you can get

Thread closed as this forum is for the m8 only. Other types of phones, if released will get there own forum.
Many thanks,
Ghost