It's for samy engineers, not for the sad users.
1. If in device specification you say that it has WiFi - please make it work.
2. If in device specification you say it has GPS - please make it work.
3. just look what OCTY had made with his application, or HTC with quick gps application, please do not play with user interface, but make your hardware WORK
4. If I want have Iphone, I will buy Iphone. If I buy Android, please do not make it Iphone AKA touchwiz. It's not ugly, but consider about storage space that I'm paying for. If I will need TW or some samy widgets, I will download them. But If you will implement them, I can not uninstall them. (only with root)
5. If some older Galaxy has prety good LCD resolution, please do not make new version of Galaxy with WORSE screen resolution. Yes, I agree - we can buy more expensive phone with HD resolution. But we can also buy a phone from your competitor for the same price and with better LCD resolution.
6. Firmware again. Why in european software release we have nortamerica GPS settings ? Why do you promisse Android 2.2 and you not make it ? As far as I know samy policy you will always come with new technologies but you will never care about the older devices. That's why you are not Apple but you are Samsung.
7. I'm not agains Samsungs. Do not take it wrong. I have samy tv set (The same with FW, you do not upgrade the old models even if the hardware is the same like old models) and more Samy devices. Because I've thought that DNLA at home is a good idea. (So I realy spent many money for you - but also many, many time to fix your software)
8. Good idea will never work out if you make great hardware (LCD, TV set, mobile devices) but very very bugy Firmwares without support.
9. Your devices have GREAT parameters on the paper. But we can not use them on maximum because of many bugs. Please just release your enginers and implement clean android to your phones and believe me, may be I will give you the chance again. But not with touch wiz and bugy GPS **** without support and nor upgrade.
10. If you are not an enginer of Samsung, please forget it or forward it to their "support & development" department. Thanks.
11. and at the end, finaly I was forced to buy another device just for GPS. Because I can not use this phone and believe it like I use to with X1, or TYTN II.
I agree with you on all points..
Except on the point where you say that Samsung is not Apple. Apple can support their old devices because they only have 4 or 5 devices to speak of.. I agree that Samsung forgets old phones, but you can't compare them with a company which has only 4 phones...
but this is the way how a company gets users to stay with them, imagine apple doing all those restrictions they do AND giving a **** on older phones, who do you ti´hing would have bought the iPhone 4?
i guess nobody at all.
regarding Wifi, i think most of us have working wifi on the SG3
FadeFx said:
but this is the way how a company gets users to stay with them, imagine apple doing all those restrictions they do AND giving a **** on older phones, who do you ti´hing would have bought the iPhone 4?
i guess nobody at all.
regarding Wifi, i think most of us have working wifi on the SG3
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Up to date...
so I've got an answer that my email (I've sent to Samsung an email) was forwarded to developers.
Why I was so pissed up ? Because I have a samsung TV set and they realy do not support the old ones. And when community had developed something what helps, in the next release of their update they blocked all possibilities to make the TV set better (new widgets, TV Stream, internet browser in it, etc..),
so this is Samsung.
Nowadays we have european leaked version of 2.2 where GPS is still not working and during a calls you have a "click" (even in JPA).
I do not understand this "support".
I promised myself show how Samsung treats its and how they assume responsibilities.
More here:
Samsung Galaxy S I9000 blog
Samsung Galaxy S I9000 Facebook Page
The main ideea is that i am a lucky owner of a phone that comes from a batch that was released on the market with manufacturing errors.
Other owner with same problem found out:
Finally they(samsung) informed us that the display needs to be replaced. This means the front panel in totality will be replaced. I hope to get it back in a couple
of days. The way they were handling the phone i am worried if i will get it back in acceptable condition. It has been a really traumatic experience. They informed me it was a manufacturing defect and there seems to be a batch which might have this issue.
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After x time the displays of these phones coming from that batch lose color depth and increase brightness, the overall image quality being shattered to pieces.
To be shure my phone had this particular problem, i tried everything from the software point of view that could be done : changed to stock android, tried different custom roms, even the ones with voodoo color fixes, factory reset (of course) but nothing.
I was shure then i had that problem as the owner above and i brought it to service (i just bought the phone in november 2010). I did not know i had to put the original android from samsung, so i got a phone call the next day from samsung service, being told that i voided my warranty and i should pay 350 dolars to fix it.
I understand that rules are rules and that it says that if you use other than original samsung software you void the warranty, but they know, and i know that this is a production fault having NOTHING to do with the software .
The main ideea is the phone comes from a batch with manufacturing defects and they SHOULD asume responsability.
Don`t get me wrong, i loved this phone and Android, but the way samsung deals with this problem is outrageous and i must "be heard" .
I hope your phones do not come from that batch.
Thank you & happy flasing,
Dan Gheorghe
bbluee:
You wrote that You have master degree in computer science
BUT IT DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING...
were were you living last years?
you were smart enough to flash new firmware but you failed with ensuring your own security and comfort as a common customer, poor you
I can bet that almost everybody on xda do know that before sending broken device (ANY device!!!) to ANY service the most secure way is to ensure it has system and enhancements oficially supported by manufacturer.
Greetings!
V.
voriax said:
bbluee:
You wrote that You have master degree in computer science
BUT IT DOESN'T PROVE ANYTHING...
were were you living last years?
you were smart enough to flash new firmware but you failed with ensuring your own security and comfort as a common customer, poor you
I can bet that almost everybody on xda do know that before sending broken device (ANY device!!!) to ANY service the most secure way is to ensure it has system and enhancements oficially supported by manufacturer.
Greetings!
V.
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I know i did not have the "best" approach, and if any other given problem they could be right.
I did not want to brag with the degree, only to point out that i know i didn`t do anything to get the phone to have that display problem, and the fact that i know that the software in this case HAS NOTHING to do with the fact this product comes from a batch with manufacturing defects.
I know that here on xda, are people with far more android and phones knowledge than i have.
And you just gave up? This post looks like garbage to me.
"It is like i buy a laptop with windows 7 and i have a hardware problem , take it into service with a linux operating system and they say the warranty was voided." is NOTHING like modifying phone firmware. Samsung doesn't provide you with the tools to flash 3rd party firmware to your phone - if you used ODIN, you used STOLEN Samsung software.
Masters degree in computer science - lol, read the book, "overschooled but undereducated." When sending back a product for warranty service, you re-install all stock firmware; that's pretty basic knowledge.
Sounds like you're bad mouthing Samsung for something that is your fault. Personally, I wouldn't have taken it sitting down; they definitely should fix it, and making a stupid blog post to spout non-sense is just silly - demand they fix it, and know your rights under the law before you do.
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And you just gave up? This post looks like garbage to me.
"It is like i buy a laptop with windows 7 and i have a hardware problem , take it into service with a linux operating system and they say the warranty was voided." is NOTHING like modifying phone firmware. Samsung doesn't provide you with the tools to flash 3rd party firmware to your phone - if you used ODIN, you used STOLEN Samsung software.
Masters degree in computer science - lol, read the book, "overschooled but undereducated." When sending back a product for warranty service, you re-install all stock firmware; that's pretty basic knowledge.
Sounds like you're bad mouthing Samsung for something that is your fault. Personally, I wouldn't have taken it sitting down; they definitely should fix it, and making a stupid blog post to spout non-sense is just silly - demand they fix it, and know your rights under the law before you do.
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Ok, ok... Stop throwing rocks men ) . I said i know i have mistaken in not flashing the phone with the original firmware. Again i did not want to sound cocky in the first post.
Please excuse me if i did.
I just wanted to say i know that what i did, had nothing to do with the display problem.
Was it my fault i bought a product from a batch with manufacturing defects?
Thank you for your feedback.
A number of posters either dispute or are no sure of the warranty position regarding rooting in particular .
Fact one the phone provider who is usually responsible for the first twelve months warranty can most certainly reject warranty for non original firmware or rooting .In the UK i have checked the position with O2 and Vodaphone who say they will reject under terms of their warranty .
SAMSUNG own warranty which is also usually paid in the first twelve months to the seller/repairer .
Basically say exactly the same rooting or custom rom voids warranty .
The letter on Samfirmware for starters if you don't believe .
http://www.samfirmware.com/apps/blo...cs-?&fw_comments_page=2&fw_comments_order=ASC
Extract from other sources .
ROOTING:
• Corporate recently added an additional reason for an Android handset to be considered as Out-Of-Warranty.
• Android handsets that have been subject to “rooting”, “jailbreaking” or “hacking” are no longer covered under warranty and may be grounds for termination or modification of service.
• Rooting is a process that modifies a handsets software allowing access to services not supported or tested by the Carrier or OEM.
• While there are more applications out there that allow subscribers to gain root access, a specific example seen on a Samsung Galaxy Indulge is shown below.
• If you see this application on the handset, please explain that the handset is out of warranty and be certain to access the customer’s account and add a memo that the handset has been rooted.
The picture they posted of is super user and some other ones.
another source
The reason I'm posting this now is because Samsung have only this week implemented a system for Service Centres to check if the handset has been rooted.
Point is its very easy in most cases to unroot and flash a stock firmware .
Some service guys may well turn a blind eye to rooting others may not .No good saying some guy on XDA said it was ok .
User choice but i have seen enough to convince me 100% ROOT = VOID WARRANTY .
jje
I thought this was common knowledge anyway?
Coedy said:
I thought this was common knowledge anyway?
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Yes but its recently been disputed by some so i just pulled out my notes .
jje
^ Some people just don't get it however and seem to think they're still entitled, even if they returned it to stock and reset the counter, etc...
Individual cases may vary, maybe you'll get a "mod friendly" warranty facility, but I wouldn't feel bad for someone who gets denied warranty in the least. If someone can't afford to replace their phone out of pocket, they shouldn't be modding it.
True, i already expect that I'll void the warranty once i root my phone.. it's the point of no return..
I keep a safe distance on messing up my phone, make sure i don't get too far and ended up with a dummy display phone..
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If someone can't afford to replace their phone out of pocket, they shouldn't be modding it.
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Exactly. I would hope everyone would understand the risk before doing something like this.
How can they detect the phone was rooted when I reseted the custom fw count and flashed a stock rom ?
There will be no super user app or the like... Furthermore unlike i.e. SE Xperia phones the bootloader of the S2 isn't locked. Unlocking the bootloader of these phones is indeed a one way street. I don't see how this should apply for the S2?
This should be stickied with a tagline along the lines of:-
"Thinking of flashing a custom rom or kernel ? Consider this..."
I'm with Bell and I had a Rooted Atrix with cyanogenmod 7 beta 3 (back in the days..) and I had screens problems, I gave my phone to Bell and they send it to Motorola and it works flawlessly but they put me back on their motoscrap...
I'm sure Samsung will do the same thing
But thanks you anyways
harise100 said:
How can they detect the phone was rooted when I reseted the custom fw count and flashed a stock rom ?
There will be no super user app or the like... Furthermore unlike i.e. SE Xperia phones the bootloader of the S2 isn't locked. Unlocking the bootloader of these phones is indeed a one way street. I don't see how this should apply for the S2?
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Think of it like a PC. Just because you format the harddrive doesn't mean the info is gone.
Bam !
Beautifully put Zelendel Rooting/flashing (like throwing rocks) is all fun & games until someone gets hurt
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Think of it like a PC. Just because you format the harddrive doesn't mean the info is gone.
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harise100 said:
How can they detect the phone was rooted when I reseted the custom fw count and flashed a stock rom ?
They are not going to look that far .
Boot screen Custom rom possible if doing the job check for root apps /root.
As i said a lot dont even bother and just flash stock rom and repair .
But a lot is not all .
jje
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With the new popularity of rooting, checking these things are becoming standard. To be honest I am glad. It will make people think first before they follow a video on youtube that is normally made by someone that has no idea what they are doing other then following a simple how to.
Modding a device is not ment for everyone. Nor should everyone do it.
Wait...the carrier can terminate your line for rooting?
Sent from my x10 mini running the latest version of minicm 7.
aloy99 said:
Wait...the carrier can terminate your line for rooting?
Sent from my x10 mini running the latest version of minicm 7.
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Yeah they can terminate your contract if you mod your phone is anyway. Not to mention charging you the full price of the phone and the rest of the contract left over.
Main reason there are warnings all over the place about knowing and understanding what you are doing before you do it.
I would like to say that under the Australian law (sorry other nationalities) that Competition and Consumer Act 2010 gives a great coverage of products and if there is a hardware fault from the phone the supplier should not be able to reject your claim if modification of the phones software is unrelated to the issue. Although there is a clause that states:
You may not be entitled to a remedy if you:
damage or use goods in an unreasonable or unintended manner
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I don't think it is unreasonable or unintended to run custom software on a programmable device. After all Samsung did give phones away so CyanogenMod would run on them.
Bottom line If I brick my phone or mess it up due to software modification I accept full responsibility but if the fault lies with the device itself the warranty should hold and no matter how much crap they put in a EULA or their written warranty Australian law should protect my device.
If I buy a computer and I remove windows to install Linux I still expect a warranty to hold if the hardware fails.
Rooting is the only way to take control of a device that I own so my personal information can stay personal.
Im interested in what the laws are like in the EU.
However my own position on this is that one should be allowed to use any software and mods to software you want.
If there is a hardware malfunction they should fix it whatever software you chose to use. If you brick the bootloader they can JTAG it probably.
And this far i have never had anyone ever say anything about me using custom roms and the like.
However i would still like to know what the laws say.
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rako77 said:
I would like to say that under the Australian law (sorry other nationalities) that Competition and Consumer Act 2010 gives a great coverage of products and if there is a hardware fault from the phone the supplier should not be able to reject your claim if modification of the phones software is unrelated to the issue. Although there is a clause that states:
I don't think it is unreasonable or unintended to run custom software on a programmable device. After all Samsung did give phones away so CyanogenMod would run on them.
Bottom line If I brick my phone or mess it up due to software modification I accept full responsibility but if the fault lies with the device itself the warranty should hold and no matter how much crap they put in a EULA or their written warranty Australian law should protect my device.
If I buy a computer and I remove windows to install Linux I still expect a warranty to hold if the hardware fails.
Rooting is the only way to take control of a device that I own so my personal information can stay personal.
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That's the thing. The device is INTENDED to run on the software they install. That's how they justify saying that any custom software could be the cause for hardware issues.
Take the PC example you used. OeM have been known to deny warrenty if you installed any OS other then the one that was on it. Like loading Linux on your windows PC. Mainly due to the use open source drivers instead of the OEM drivers made for the device. Samething goes for AOSP roms. They don't use drivers made for the device. They use generic device drivers that "could" cause hardware issues and that is what they love to say.
Spent a few years doing PC and smartphone repairs and that was the first thing we were trained to look for. If we found any sign of Modding in anyway we were to not repair it till they cleared it with the owner that they were going to be charged for it due to a voided warrenty.
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Good point.
Amazon repair service didn't use forensic software when I sent them a xperia Neo with the 0%-bug. They replaced it without much ado. Lucky me ;-)
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That's the thing. The device is INTENDED to run on the software they install. That's how they justify saying that any custom software could be the cause for hardware issues.
Take the PC example you used. OeM have been known to deny warrenty if you installed any OS other then the one that was on it. Like loading Linux on your windows PC. Mainly due to the use open source drivers instead of the OEM drivers made for the device. Samething goes for AOSP roms. They don't use drivers made for the device. They use generic device drivers that "could" cause hardware issues and that is what they love to say.
Spent a few years doing PC and smartphone repairs and that was the first thing we were trained to look for. If we found any sign of Modding in anyway we were to not repair it till they cleared it with the owner that they were going to be charged for it due to a voided warrenty.
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rooting does not mess with the drivers and I am defiantly not touching the cpu clock.
The only reported case of a pc manufacturer that i can find refusing to remedy a hardware problem where the operating system was changed was pc world which later stated that was not there policy and would preform a repair. international law may be different but under Australian law I have full ownership of the device and I think it is outrageous that companies try and weasel there way out of their rights to the consumer.
In my mind if the fault is there's they have to fix it and no way should they be able to say otherwise. Its really just a matter of who has the burden of proof.
Without root, can I make a backup, that will allow me to restore to a previous point in time? That means my apps and their data, and my customizations. That means NOT OTA to some pirate's server.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
Without root, can I make a backup, that will allow me to restore to a previous point in time? That means my apps and their data, and my customizations. That means NOT OTA to some pirate's server.
Thanks!
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Without root, you can't backup system apps and data. You can backup user apps and data. In fact...Google will do it for you by having Google backup your app data (since Google Play already has the apps). Settings-General-Backup
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donc113 said:
Without root, you can't backup system apps and data. You can backup user apps and data. In fact...Google will do it for you by having Google backup your app data (since Google Play already has the apps). Settings-General-Backup
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How do I determine exactly which are user apps and data, and which are system apps and data? I would envision:
1. I could restore any apps and data that didn't come with the phone.
2. Not restored would be shortcuts created, screen organization, customized wall papers, custom widgets, settings for WiFi, POP, IMAP, or Exchange E-Mail accounts, SMS/MMS messages, and any changes made in the phone's Settings from factory defaults.
I would also assume that programs such as Holo and Helium leverage the same underlying technology with the option of doing it locally.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
How do I determine exactly which are user apps and data, and which are system apps and data? I would envision:
1. I could restore any apps and data that didn't come with the phone.
2. Not restored would be shortcuts created, screen organization, customized wall papers, custom widgets, settings for WiFi, POP, IMAP, or Exchange E-Mail accounts, SMS/MMS messages, and any changes made in the phone's Settings from factory defaults.
I would also assume that programs such as Holo and Helium leverage the same underlying technology with the option of doing it locally.
Thanks!
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Pretty much anything you can't uninstall is a system app.
To your 1 & 2 items above...yes to both.
No idea what Holo or Helium programs are.
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So you actually have a valid reason not to root? You can install SS, do backups, etc. You can root cloak if you want. Odin back to stock if you need to.
Or you can use the slow, bloated, gimped, and otherwise poor excuse of a stock ROM for your DD. not sure why you would want that backed up anyway?
xdadevnube said:
So you actually have a valid reason not to root?
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It's a brand new phone under warranty, support when needed, automatic OTA updates...
xdadevnube said:
You can install SS, do backups, etc. You can root cloak if you want. Odin back to stock if you need to.
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Which leaves the KNOX counter at 0x1. There is no exploit to use in KitKat like there was in Jelly Bean and prior.
xdadevnube said:
...bloated, gimped, and otherwise poor excuse of a stock ROM for your DD. not sure why you would want that backed up anyway?
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I'm accustomed to being able to do a bare metal restore to a previous point in time with my current phone. It has worked several times when things went bad, and I could even restore to a new phone of the same model if that were necessary. I'm trying to duplicate that as much as possible of that with Android.
Situation: I've installed two products, one called Holo, previous named Carbon, and the other called Helium. With Holo, which runs on the PC, I just did a full backup via USB 3 to my laptop. It says it can do the system apps and data too, but doesn't recommend doing it, so I didn't. I then deleted the data and applications through Application Manager. After that, I did a full restore. The apps and data were exactly like they were. Helium I'm guessing uses the same API, but is installed on the phone, and backs up to the SD card. I don't have an SD card yet, and I didn't want to use the one that Android emulates when it doesn't have one, so I haven't tested that one yet. The advantage of Helium is it allows you to select what you want to backup and restore. It doesn't allow backing up any system apps or data.
I'm currently documenting the changes I make to settings while it is all fresh in my mind, so if I do have to do a factory reset later, I can get back to where I was as painlessly as possible. I will do a factory reset tonight to prove the backups work, before I rely on Holo's restores.
Other: I've used custom ROMs in the past. I always ended up returning to the factory ROM due to fewer bugs, and compatibility issues that I encountered when installing programs that needed something the developer removed. The reason rooting Android is tempting for me, is that I'm missing the basic functionality of being able to do call recording while I'm on Bluetooth. OTOH, I can understand why Samsung will not support a phone that has been rooted.
Thanks!
Im not sure why you say that the Knox counter will be tripped. I have had my phone rooted since almost the day I got it when it was on MJE, upgraded it to NC4 after root was available and even just odined it back to stock at the beginning of this week. Screen was cracked and I got a replacement. I had to return the old one and when it got dropped in the mail, it was no longer rooted, fully stock, and a Knox counter of 0x0. This replacement phone with Kit Kat (NC4) on it was rooted withing hours of receiving it, nandroid restored to the identical setup as the phone it was replacing, and the Knox counter is, you guessed it, 0x0.
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Im not sure why you say that the Knox counter will be tripped. I have had my phone rooted since almost the day I got it when it was on MJE, upgraded it to NC4 after root was available and even just odined it back to stock at the beginning of this week. Screen was cracked and I got a replacement. I had to return the old one and when it got dropped in the mail, it was no longer rooted, fully stock, and a Knox counter of 0x0. This replacement phone with Kit Kat (NC4) on it was rooted withing hours of receiving it, nandroid restored to the identical setup as the phone it was replacing, and the Knox counter is, you guessed it, 0x0.
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Please tell me how to do that, or point to where I can learn how.
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Please tell me how to do that, or point to where I can learn how.
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I just did a chat with One Click Root, which went as follows:
ME: I just purchased a new Verizon Note 3 with the newest KitKat. I don't want to mess up the warranty or support. However, an unrooted phone cannot record calls under Bluetooth. I heard there was a problem with rooting phones with KitKat with files after some date in June. I also want to be able to unroot if necessary for update and warranty purposes. Can One Click Root accomplish these goals?
One Click Root: Warranty will be voided if you root your device and ota updates will remove the root totally. I don't actually know if warranty will be back if you unroot your device.
ME: What about KNOX?
One Click Root: Won't be affected.
ME: How much does One Click Root cost if I decide to do this?
One Click Root: We have 2 packages to choose from: $29.95 package which includes root only and $39.95 which includes rooting + removal of bloatware + 30 days free tech support.
ME: I'm guessing the $39.95 for the tech support would be worth it. The removal of bloatware might not since if I did, and unrooted it to get an OTA update, the update would fail if the bloatware were not there to be patched.
One Click Root:We need to check first if your device is rootable. May I know the exact model number and android version?
ME: OK, I'm going into settings now...
One Click Root: Great! Your device is rootable.
ME: You've helped me TONS! I will make sure I want to do this, but you can be sure here is will I come when I do. I need to learn a little more about rooting, unrooting, and being able to get it back to factory so I can get service if I need it.
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My question is how/where can I learn how to be able to achieve this?
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...I have had my phone rooted since almost the day I got it when it was on MJE, upgraded it to NC4 after root was available and even just odined it back to stock at the beginning of this week. Screen was cracked and I got a replacement. I had to return the old one and when it got dropped in the mail, it was no longer rooted, fully stock, and a Knox counter of 0x0. This replacement phone with Kit Kat (NC4) on it was rooted withing hours of receiving it, nandroid restored to the identical setup as the phone it was replacing, and the Knox counter is, you guessed it, 0x0.
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Thank you!
Maybe Im missing what you are asking. There are several threads on here that detail what to do. To root, use towelroot and it will cost you nothing. Then you will have to install SuperSU but make sure to use 2.13 version. This will also give you the option to disable Knox. Then install busybox and finally you can install safestrap.
mikeyk101 said:
...To root, use towelroot and it will cost you nothing.
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Doesn't it make more sense to use "One Click Root" instead since it allows unrooting?
mikeyk101 said:
Then you will have to install SuperSU but make sure to use 2.13 version. This will also give you the option to disable Knox.
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Will do
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Then install busybox, and finally you can install safestrap.
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Got it. I will look for more threads about this. Thanks TONS!
Supersu also allows you the option to do a full unroot as well.
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Supersu also allows you the option to do a full unroot as well.
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Got it!
Thanks!
xdadevnube said:
So you actually have a valid reason not to root? You can install SS, do backups, etc. You can root cloak if you want. Odin back to stock if you need to. Or you can use the slow, bloated, gimped, and otherwise poor excuse of a stock ROM for your DD. not sure why you would want that backed up anyway?
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I'm not there yet, but I'm drifting closer to your way of thinking. However, from what I read, custom ROMs have shorter battery life and S-Pen problems. I'm not after a hot rod. I'm after usable, as in not crippled.
I'd like to see a Windows 8.1 ROM for it like is on the Surface Pro 2. Android and IOS are just too limited.
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I'm not there yet, but I'm drifting closer to your way of thinking. However, from what I read, custom ROMs have shorter battery life and S-Pen problems. I'm not after a hot rod. I'm after usable, as in not crippled.
I'd like to see a Windows 8.1 ROM for it like is on the Surface Pro 2. Android and IOS are just too limited.
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If you want Windows....have your boss get you a Nokia. You will never see a Windows ROM on a Note.....talk about a bloated and crippled OS.
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donc113 said:
If you want Windows....have your boss get you a Nokia. You will never see a Windows ROM on a Note.....talk about a bloated and crippled OS.
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I think we have different expectation in how we want to use the phone. LOL!
I have been the CTO of two different tier-1 automotive suppliers, and now own my own IT company, so I am the boss. They haven't made Windows phones in a while. The last Windows phone was Windows Mobile, at which time they were big player. There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
With the power coming to p;hones and tablets, this year I got interested in settling on a device that the guys could carry off duty to do emergency tech support when we get a server alarm or frantic call while in the mall. We currently use laptops and Dell XPS 12 convertibles and Windows Mobile phones, which I even had myself until recently. PMing with a developer at XDA that I've worked with over the years, he also laments about the loss of Windows as the most productive and capable development environment, but things are what they are. The problem with the old phones was the small screen and slow data speeds make them something you only use in emergencies. The upside is they did in 2009 everything that the new phones aspire to. I have been attempting to duplicate their capabilities in either IOS or Android. Now that the Note series and Android have achieved parity in the handwriting recognition and speech to text, an HD screen, a usable RDP client, SFTP Terminal and file manager apps, it has shown itself to be usable for us in that role. I have no interest in root per se, in fact I'd rather not because playing with phones is not what we do. I'm simply attempting to fill in the few remaining usability shortfalls. The most major is call recording that works the same whether on or off Bluetooth. Another one we would like to have back is bare metal restores.
Thanks!
IT_Architect said:
I think we have different expectation in how we want to use the phone. LOL!
I have been the CTO of two different tier-1 automotive suppliers, and now own my own IT company, so I am the boss. They haven't made Windows phones in a while. The last Windows phone was Windows Mobile, at which time they were big player. There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
With the power coming to p;hones and tablets, this year I got interested in settling on a device that the guys could carry off duty to do emergency tech support when we get a server alarm or frantic call while in the mall. We currently use laptops and Dell XPS 12 convertibles and Windows Mobile phones, which I even had myself until recently. PMing with a developer at XDA that I've worked with over the years, he also laments about the loss of Windows as the most productive and capable development environment, but things are what they are. The problem with the old phones was the small screen and slow data speeds make them something you only use in emergencies. The upside is they did in 2009 everything that the new phones aspire to. I have been attempting to duplicate their capabilities in either IOS or Android. Now that the Note series and Android have achieved parity in the handwriting recognition and speech to text, an HD screen, a usable RDP client, SFTP Terminal and file manager apps, it has shown itself to be usable for us in that role. I have no interest in root per se, in fact I'd rather not because playing with phones is not what we do. I'm simply attempting to fill in the few remaining usability shortfalls. The most major is call recording that works the same whether on or off Bluetooth. Another one we would like to have back is bare metal restores.
Thanks!
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Hummm.....haven't made a Windows Phone in years? I suggest you look at this site:
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-us
You wanna do "bare metal" recoveries? Just root and it's a piece of cake.
Oh...my background? I did some programming in this new fun language called BASIC in 1963, then moved on to FORTRAN in '68. Switched carreers in '70 so didn't get back to programming until early 80s and that was pure assembly language. Then C and then converting COBOL to SQL.
I had more fun with hardware so became a UNIX System Administrator and Oracle DBA in the mid 80s.
Retired in late 90's from my government job and worked for 14 years as a UNIX SA, Sybase DBA and Window's Administrator for British Telecom here in the US in the VideoConferencing nitch.
So I kind of have a computing background and in my experience, most CTO's come from the sales and marketing side of the business, not the technical side.
Obviously I have no idea if any of the above applies to you.
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IT_Architect said:
I think we have different expectation in how we want to use the phone. LOL!
I have been the CTO of two different tier-1 automotive suppliers, and now own my own IT company, so I am the boss. They haven't made Windows phones in a while. The last Windows phone was Windows Mobile, at which time they were big player. There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
With the power coming to p;hones and tablets, this year I got interested in settling on a device that the guys could carry off duty to do emergency tech support when we get a server alarm or frantic call while in the mall. We currently use laptops and Dell XPS 12 convertibles and Windows Mobile phones, which I even had myself until recently. PMing with a developer at XDA that I've worked with over the years, he also laments about the loss of Windows as the most productive and capable development environment, but things are what they are. The problem with the old phones was the small screen and slow data speeds make them something you only use in emergencies. The upside is they did in 2009 everything that the new phones aspire to. I have been attempting to duplicate their capabilities in either IOS or Android. Now that the Note series and Android have achieved parity in the handwriting recognition and speech to text, an HD screen, a usable RDP client, SFTP Terminal and file manager apps, it has shown itself to be usable for us in that role. I have no interest in root per se, in fact I'd rather not because playing with phones is not what we do. I'm simply attempting to fill in the few remaining usability shortfalls. The most major is call recording that works the same whether on or off Bluetooth. Another one we would like to have back is bare metal restores.
Thanks!
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You can root and install safestrap and still retain your normal functionality. Only adding the options to backup and restore. I would root/install busybox/ install safestrap and wipe and flash the stock deodex version. Beans has a nice clean nc4 base posted. Before you end up with to much on your phone that you dont want to wipe it. You will also want to odin the nc2 kernel before booting up your custom setup for the first time. I can assure using the listed setup will keep superb battery life and all stock functions and features.
donc113 said:
...most CTO's come from the sales and marketing side of the business, not the technical side.
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I've never heard of one that was in a Tier-1 Automotive supplier. BTW, I was also a CIO. Basically, when you are CIO, you are responsible for the direction and implementation of the corporate information structure. You do that after working with department heads and watching the department functions. You discuss your thoughts and direction with the CTO and flesh out the details. As CIO, you then budget the project. You keep the CFO in the loop on requirements, and for optimizations, you work with him to get him on board. During the board meetings, we hammered out the whens because it may be something not IT related makes the most sense to do first. Everyone also scrutinizes your plan and offer suggestions. The marketing side in a Tier-1 Automotive supplier is the sales team and/or organization, who work closely with the Engineering department for costs and timing. It really helps to be technical before you become a CIO.
Social life in high school for me was studying solid state electronics. In college studied automotive technology, and I designed an electronic ignition system for one teacher, and helped another who was writing a book to come up with the formula for calculating ratios for a compound planetary gear set. Prior to my CTO work, I also was military, but full-time guard, aircraft mechanic supervisor, then I bought a plane and learned to fly, then a military academy on an age waiver, then Signal Officer, which means wired and tower communications and COMSEC, then a command, then flight school on an age waiver, then served my commitment flying for the guard. Thus, in civilian life, they threw developing a Tool and Die CNC department, then sent me to their production plant to write an fully integrated ERP package. I used Faircom's C-Tree that time around, and wrote my own translator to use CB86 syntax. I also designed and built the electronic circuits for automation and was farmed out by them to, of all places, a large food distributor who needed a system to monitor their temperatures and gas on weekends so they didn't come back on Monday with thousands in loss. (Who was a friend of the owner) I started an Industrial Design company, only two of us, and did that for two years, but made a lot of money. Someone then made us an offer we couldn't refuse. One of the employees of one automotive supplier became part owner in another, that was in trouble from an IT standpoint and GM expectations, learned I was free, and they started taking me to lunch. I also authored a full ERP system for them, and we went from the cut list to the top 3% GM supplier rating. It was there I was featured in two national publications, one you may remember since you go back that far, was Application Development Trends. This was built on a DBMS. I publicly challenged Oracle at a developer conference on their query optimizer, and they could not deliver.
I enjoyed being high energy, but one day one a friend there said to me, "I have no idea why you do what you do. I would never do what you do even if I could." He got me thinking. I had lots of vacation time, but no time to take them. I wasn't sure of the ages of my kids or their birthdays. After a few months of thinking about it, I told them I was resigning to start my own business, and that I would give them 2 months before leaving. As the time approached, they said they wanted me to do a project, and if I finished it withing 5 months, they would pay me a sizable bonus, and pay me after I left for another 6 months to help start my new business. The CFO didn't think it was possible to get done in that time, and I wasn't too sure either, but I took the gamble. When they wanted to carve a week out of my time for another project, I then told them that they then also need to tack on a week to the 5 months, which they did. I was completely oblivious at the time how important my stipulation would be. It was implemented and in place, and working with only with just under 2 days to spare because I had to cancel 2 roll outs on other weekends for issues. (Shutting down GM can cost you your business) When I was about to get out, I had a daughter wise beyond her years show me her research about home schooling, and said she did that because she noticed how much more enjoyable it was to be around home school kids. I was concerned about socialization, but she did her homework, and in this area, they have a school, gym, and teachers for classes you can't do at home. There was far more socialization, and the kids were totally transformed in 6 months to being nice, with brothers and sisters tripping over themselves to help each other and others. In basketball, they mopped the Class A teams in our area, and finished 3rd Class D in the nation. They started college at 17, and Magna Cum Laude. I've been on my own for several years now. Well, they are gown up. It's easier to build and run a company than what I was doing. I have UNIX servers and one site that does 5 1/2 million unique visitors a month, so this may sound crazy, but I miss the board room and the pressures...and my dad tells me I am crazy to miss it. LOL! I think what I miss most is working with lots of people and lots of critical problems to solve. I also had fun as a speaker at quarterly meetings. While not every move I've made has been a good one, you don't know what works until you try. We seem to have a lot in common, and both like to learn. The chemistry, electronics, math, and physics has been fun to learn, but oddly, the most fun is working with people on projects, at the gym, or running. You may have some time over me, but I haven't been sitting still either.
Lest anyone believe that I had much of a hand in any of this, I will dispel that right now. There are heal marks from being dragged every place I've been. I bought a plane and learned to fly because when flying with them as a crew I would be sick for two days. One day a pilot took me aside and told me that he used to be just like me, and it took learning to fly to get over it. I went to a military academy because people encouraged me to, and that I needed to to achieve my potential. You can't name one thing in my life that didn't go similarly, and all of this happened from the Lord dragging me to through this to prove to me that through trust in Him, all things are possible. All I can say is it worked. An there is a huge thanks on my part to the people who spent time with me to give that opportunity, and I'm far from some religious or pious guy.
donc113 said:
There isn't a trace of Windows in "Windows Phone #x". It's their old game console, with a phone added. Microsoft used the same game console operating system in the tablet market and failed miserably until they put Windows on it with the Surface Pro 2. It will be no different with phones.
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If you do a little research, you will see what happened there. You can also research and find that killing Windows Mobile was Steve Balmer's greatest regret. In his words, I put Microsoft way behind in this area. There are different kinds of users. Steve saw the boom in the gamey non-technical side, but he didn't have that market. He came late to the party using the gaming platform, but in doing so he lost his mobile business market and developers. Their developers were faced with one of two options, the closed platform of IOS and being Apple's slave, or the open Android market and fierce competition. The new Windows Phone couldn't even connect to Microsoft's own products, while the iPhone/IOS/BSD could. Things are better now, but until Microsoft comes back to the market with a real Windows phone to tie the Enterprise, desktop, and cloud back together, Google will be the Microsoft of mobile devices, and Apple will be happy with their high-end 15%.
donc113 said:
I had more fun with hardware...
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And you AND I know darn well I shouldn't be playing with phones, but I have the same illness. Currently, we can wear our noise-cancelling Bluetooth and record conversations with customers. It's our note taker and we send them to each other to pick up on. It's a money saver when you confront someone with what they asked someone to do. Now add to that no backups after you get the phone all set the way you want it? I have NovaLauncher not because I don't like Touchwiz, it's because I can restore the setup without rooting, and Helium or Holo can do the non-embedded stuff, but the Bluetooth thing leaves me seething. As far as rooting goes, yes, that can be done, and it complicates things when one needs service. It just rubs me the wrong way when a phone built in 2009, using technology from 2002 (XP), can do what an Android phone from 2013 prevents me from doing without risking and hacking. With WinMo, when you did a factory reset, you actually got a factory reset. It erased everything on the phone, and copied back the factory operating system. I like to put things in place that are a thing of beauty, and get it behind me.
Of course what I really came here for, I don't have an answer for. LOL! How little can I get away with, when rooting a phone? Why do I want Safestrap when I don't want a custom ROM? Isn't just rooting, SuperSU, and Xpose all I want? This is new ground for me.
PS: I'm looking at the best way to root on another thread without messing up the warranty.