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What is 'system data'?

Can any one shed some light on what system data is on my N4s storage?
I assumed it was the os but that's partitioned and I then have the 5.8gb that's available...
Thanks!
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Most likely the OS.
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The OS takes up part of the 8gb to leave me with 5.8 though.. Anyone else?
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adaimespechip said:
The OS takes up part of the 8gb to leave me with 5.8 though.. Anyone else?
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Are you using CWM and if you do, what version are you using?
When I just got the phone, I had the same problem as you after I install a buggy version of CWM. Basically CWM made a backup to some folder that there's no way for you, CWM, or the system to tell where the heck it is.
I got rid of that by restoring my phone to stock then started using TWRP (try it, you'll like it)
Edit: Also, look at /data instead of /sdcard
/sdcard is an emulated folder, /data is more accurate since it's where stuffs are actually stored.

thats HUGE for system data. i only have 270MB used for it

Yeah I did but that was so long ago.. It could be that I guess. You suggest erasing the whole thing and restoring my apps?
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Well, I got that back in CWM 6.0.1.6, which is like a month a go. A life time for the Nexus 4. There is a way to trace these folders using ADB, but I wiped my entire phone before I read the post so I don't know if the method works.
What I did was wiping everything (including system) then restore to stock. It was a little bit overdone, I guess restore to stock would do the trick. Just remember to back up /sdcard to your computer.
Edit: I was so annoyed by that wasted 1.7MB that I basically nuked the phone lol
bassmadrigal said:
If you are rooted and have adb set up on your computer, you can find out what folders are using the most space by using the commands below, then change into that directory and run the command again.
Code:
adb
su
cd /
du -hd 1
--find the largest folder and change directory (cd) into it - if you find you no longer want to continue in the folder you are in, you can cd .. to get to the previous folder or cd / to get back to the root of the filesystem--
Code:
cd large_folder
du -hd 1
rinse
repeat
????
profit
This will allow you to find what folders are using the most space and can eventually lead you to any large files and can then let you find out if you can delete them or if you need to keep them.
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What application are you using to get that information?
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netsyd said:
What application are you using to get that information?
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DiskUsage 3.4
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mariosraptor said:
DiskUsage 3.4
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What he said - one of my must have apps..
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KyraOfFire said:
Well, I got that back in CWM 6.0.1.6, which is like a month a go. A life time for the Nexus 4. There is a way to trace these folders using ADB, but I wiped my entire phone before I read the post so I don't know if the method works.
What I did was wiping everything (including system) then restore to stock. It was a little bit overdone, I guess restore to stock would do the trick. Just remember to back up /sdcard to your computer.
Edit: I was so annoyed by that wasted 1.7MB that I basically nuked the phone lol
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Thanks! Will try when I'm back home!
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Okay no luck - Have totally reset the device and still have 1900mb of system data showing....
EDIT: Fixed - Flashed new CWM recovery and it WAS a backup i'd taken weeks ago.. deleted it and now have 200mb system data.

adaimespechip said:
Okay no luck - Have totally reset the device and still have 1900mb of system data showing....
EDIT: Fixed - Flashed new CWM recovery and it WAS a backup i'd taken weeks ago.. deleted it and now have 200mb system data.
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So is it safe to assume that the space is from backups? I posted my situation here

There didn't seem to be a clear answer here so :
System data is the space taken up by files outside of the special sdcard directory.
Android is treating the emulated SD card as being 8Gb/16Gb (- the hidden partitions) and not taking into account space taken up by files outside of the special directories.
In the Settings > Storage screen you will also notice that the free space and used space do not add up, this difference is the 'system data'.
Apps from Google and those with root access commonly write to directories outside of the sdcard.
Google Music is particularly guilty of taking up space without reporting it properly, from the Settings > Apps menu you can see how much space the music application is taking up, and clear it if desired.
Backups are also likely to be eating a large amount of that space, from CWM or TWRP or another source.
These are outside of the sdcard to prevent you from accidentally deleting them.
They can normally be move/removed from within the application that made them, or with a root file manager.
You probably want to keep some working backups, I generally store them on a cloud service or external disk with only the latest on the phone.
You will not get the 'system data' down to 0 as some space is for actual system files, you should be able to get it below 500Mb easily, or just be happy once you know where the space has gone.
I hope that helped.

Solution Found!: CWM Restore says "Couldn't open directory. No files found."

Solution Found!: CWM Restore says "Couldn't open directory. No files found."
I used the Nexus 4 Toolkit to make a Nandroid backup. Now when I try to restore, it copies the files from my computer to the phone and then asks me to do a restore in CWM. However, when I click on Restore, it says: "Couldn't open directory. No files found."
It doesn't even give me the option to select the directory...
Ideas anyone?
RESOLVED!
[B]Solution: Install ROM Manager from Google Play. Open it and "Flash ClockWorkMod Recovery". It will install the latest CWM version. Then go to"Manage and Restore Backups" and you will find your *previously lost) backup there. If you don't see it, then reboot and open ROM Manager again. You can initiate a restore from within the ROM Manager app.
If you boot into Recovery and try to restore the nandroid backup, it will still not find it. But it will work from within the ROM Manager app. This is not an ideal solution but it works. [/B]

Re: Bogus Nexus 4 Toolkit- CWM Restore says "Couldn't open directory. No files found.
montrealguy said:
I used the Nexus 4 Toolkit to make a Nandroid backup. Now when I try to restore, it copies the files to the phone and then asks me to do a restore in CWM. However, when I click on Restore, it says: "Couldn't open directory. No files found."
It doesn't even give me the option to select the directory...
Ideas anyone?
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The tool kit is to install the proper tools to your computer and phone so you can unlock bootloader, root, and install custom recovery from which you can perform nandroid backups and restore them when desired or necessary among many other options.????
Sent from my Nexus4, how's that feel?

Re: Bogus Nexus 4 Toolkit- CWM Restore says "Couldn't open directory. No files found.
OP, you're already talking about this in another thread. Why open a new one? You could have just edited the title of the other thread.

mustangtim49 said:
The tool kit is to install the proper tools to your computer and phone so you can unlock bootloader, root, and install custom recovery from which you can perform nandroid backups and restore them when desired or necessary among many other options.????
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You are assuming that I am doing the backup and restore on the same phone. I made a Nandroid backup on my old Nex4 and want to restore on my new Nex4. The toolkit copies the Nandroid backup from my computer to sdcard/clockwordmod/backup, but CWM doesn't recognize it.
Furthermore, I tried to do a backup to find out where it stores them, and I couldn't figure it out!

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montrealguy said:
You are assuming that I am doing the backup and restore on the same phone. I made a Nandroid backup on my old Nex4 and want to restore on my new Nex4. The toolkit copies the Nandroid backup from my computer to sdcard/clockwordmod/backup, but CWM doesn't recognize it.
Furthermore, I tried to do a backup to find out where it stores them, and I couldn't figure it out!
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No I wasn't. I knew exactly what was going on before I made my previous post. The question stands.

estallings15 said:
OP, you're already talking about this in another thread. Why open a new one? You could have just edited the title of the other thread.
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There are numerous older threads on this particular subject and none of them have a solution. Hopefully someone here will suggest an actual working solution and it will save everyone else a lot of endless searching...

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montrealguy said:
There are numerous older threads on this particular subject and none of them have a solution. Hopefully someone here will suggest an actual working solution and it will save everyone else a lot of endless searching...
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Please learn to use the edit button.

Re: Bogus Nexus 4 Toolkit- CWM Restore says "Couldn't open directory. No files found.
montrealguy said:
You are assuming that I am doing the backup and restore on the same phone........
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Furthermore, I tried to do a backup to find out where it stores them, and I couldn't figure it out!
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Thanks guys! The problem was resolved and I updated the OP with the solution.

Thanks for the solution, it worked for galaxy s3. anyone stuck with not finding the restore file can try this out.

Is this THE MOST DANGEROUS APP?

OK,
I have found this app in my phone and it is awesome (in a negative sense).
I have posted the screenshots of it. Let's see what we XDA guys think of it -
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All right! Now is this a keylogger or a virus?
Thanks for your help.

Most likely it's an app you uninstalled - it leaves an app of 0kb if you then restore from a nandriod backup as the nandriod backup does not backup user apps so sometimes you are left with apps of 0k in the manage application list
as for the permissions apps like titanium backup have them permissions but not services that cost you money - always be wary of that permission
it is not a virus - there are no viruses on android - only apps with a given permission which you have installed

marcussmith2626 said:
Most likely it's an app you uninstalled - it leaves an app of 0kb if you then restore from a nandriod backup as the nandriod backup does not backup user apps so sometimes you are left with apps of 0k in the manage application list
as for the permissions apps like titanium backup have them permissions but not services that cost you money - always be wary of that permission
it is not a virus - there are no viruses on android - only apps with a given permission which you have installed
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Yeah, but I didn't ever need to restore nandroid backups, so this isn't an orphaned app.
Ok, this may not be a virus, then it may be a bug? Or the keylogger, eh?

imda1 said:
Yeah, but I didn't ever need to restore nandroid backups, so this isn't an orphaned app.
Ok, this may not be a virus, then it may be a bug? Or the keylogger, eh?
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Really really creepy......evn i have it....

Give me its download link
** rooting is new for me,
nd i am a noob to root....**

Its apk name is PopupuiReceiver.apk
But he has no app name, very weird
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menewtoroot said:
Give me its download link
** rooting is new for me,
nd i am a noob to root....**
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Here - Titanium Backuped...View attachment 1927408

imda1 said:
OK,
I have found this app in my phone and it is awesome (in a negative sense).
I have posted the screenshots of it. Let's see what we XDA guys think of it -
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All right! Now is this a keylogger or a virus?
Thanks for your help.
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I will have a guess at what happened at your end.. most probably that's the case..
Do you use link2sd or any such methods to link apps?
If you are using link2sd, then most probably the second partition of sdcard crashed or didn't mount properly..
One simple test to get such 0.KB app is.. disable your link2sd app by freezing it via titanium backup and move link2sd script in init.d folder to sdcard and reboot.. you will find all of your second sdcard partition apps like the one in your screenshot..
That's not an error or virus.. its just the system knows that app is installed.. but it doesn't know where that apk of that file is.. so the 0.kb
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Deadly said:
I will have a guess at what happened at your end.. most probably that's the case..
Do you use link2sd or any such methods to link apps?
If you are using link2sd, then most probably the second partition of sdcard crashed or didn't mount properly..
One simple test to get such 0.KB app is.. disable your link2sd app by freezing it via titanium backup and move link2sd script in init.d folder to sdcard and reboot.. you will find all of your second sdcard partition apps like the one in your screenshot..
That's not an error or virus.. its just the system knows that app is installed.. but it doesn't know where that apk of that file is.. so the 0.kb
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Thanks for your help, Deadly. But I've never wanted to mess with partitions and Link2SD. I did delete 1 bloatware form the stock ROM - Quick Office, and I don't think it has so many permissions. And I didn't mess with any system app except Music.

imda1 said:
Thanks for your help, Deadly. But I've never wanted to mess with partitions and Link2SD. I did delete 1 bloatware form the stock ROM - Quick Office, and I don't think it has so many permissions. And I didn't mess with any system app except Music.
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well, as far as I can remember.. its definitely not a virus it any dangerous app.. I can assure you of that.. do one thing.
Make a nandroid backup.. then uninstall that app.. it shouldn't cause any problem.. if it did, you could restore your backup.
It may be because that apk is accidentally corrupted or deleted or moved or something.. may be it happened without coming to your notice. But not to worry.. its not a virus.. and you don't need an antivirus for your phone.. I see you have avast.. if you are using it for firewall that's good. Because you get only malware or adware or spyware may be.. but not viruses.. if you have adblocker you can check for adware and you can easily avoid spyware and malware by not installing total strange apps from untrusted source.. so basically virus is next to impossible in android.. as its based on Linux..
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[XAP] AppData Manager [v.1.4]

Most useful app ever!
It can backup your apps data (Isolated Storage) to SD card or Documents folder. Very useful when you need to do Hard Reset and don't want to lose game progress.
Your phone must have CAPABILITIES UNLOCK!
Version 1.4:
Added possibility to backup to phone "Documents" folder
Added settings page
Added switch to hide/unhide backup folder
Any background operation blocks UI now to prevent crash
Version 1.3.1:
Log added to error page
Version 1.3:
Error page added. Now app notifies about errors (before crash )
Version 1.2.2:
UI improvements.
Backup folder is now created as hidden. This should prevent your backup from scanning for media by OS. You can hide/unhide it manually from PC.
Version 1.2.1:
Fixed support for apps on SD.
Version 1.2:
Support for apps on SD.
Version 1.1.2:
WP8.1 support.
No APPX support so far.
Version 1.1.1:
UI improvements.
Version 1.1:
Check all/Uncheck all added.
Progressbar for all actions, not only update list.
About page with version added.

THX bro. One question - it's only for interop unlocked devices, or for all ?
UPD
Ok I see - I can't install that app on my Lumia 820 with dev unlock.

Budniu said:
THX bro. One question - it's only for interop unlocked devices, or for all ?
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Ok I see - I can't install that app on my Lumia 820 with dev unlock.
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This app requires Capabilities unlock and not limited to Samsung devices (should work on reker's W1).
It works on wolfROM 2.0 without need to run Enable All Sideloading.

Brilliant idea ! :good: Greetings from the folder app...:laugh:
Do you plan to use a zip library to backup the whole folder ?
I have added that feature today to my app and it´s working fine.

contable said:
Brilliant idea ! :good: Greetings from the folder app...:laugh:
Do you plan to use a zip library to backup the whole folder ?
I have added that feature today to my app and it´s working fine.
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which folder?
I have a plan to use zip for phones which don't have SD. It'll be easier to copy one file then a folder to PC. Or upload it to a cloud.
I think backup shouldn't be stored for a long time. It may be incompatible with newer apps.

-W_O_L_F- said:
which folder?
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The "local" folder of each app you´re copying...
You can zip or unzip the whole folder easyly with SharpZipLib. Should work.

New version. Alpha 2.
App renamed to App Data Manager. And there is a reason: it can now delete cache of any app.
Tool has only 4 features:
1) Copy AppData -> Backup
2) Copy Backup -> AppData
3) Delete Backup
4) Delete AppData
Added confirmation messages
Delete options moved to menu
Items with backup are highlighted
Progress indicator added
Icons are loading directly (without copying) now
Added 3 textboxes with folder sizes. AppData (Full), AppData\Local (Dt), Backup (Bkp)

I will try it! Will this work on my brother L820 too?
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lukas_ita said:
I will try it! Will this work on my brother L820 too?
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Hi Wolf, thankx for this tool, but i would like backup one game xap, and this xap isn't in the list... :s
Just the "officials" application of the store are in the list, it's possible to add the list of xap in your app please ?
Thankx dud

I was trying to make GTA backup, but folder on SD have only approx. 50MB instead of 2GB.
I did copy thru the WPPT just in case and is 1.98GB of data.
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djtonka said:
I was trying to make GTA backup, but folder on SD have only approx. 50MB instead of 2GB.
I did copy thru the WPPT just in case and is 1.98GB of data.
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Mwahaha! This app backups DATA, not the APP itself XD

-W_O_L_F- said:
Mwahaha! This app backups DATA, not the APP itself XD
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but this is from Data, xap is only 20MB so the the rest is downloaded into Isolated Storage

djtonka said:
but this is from Data, xap is only 20MB so the the rest is downloaded into Isolated Storage
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What's the size (Full) of GTA? App don't do backup of all Isolated Storage, just Local folder. For most apps other folders are cache or empty.

djtonka said:
but this is from Data, xap is only 20MB so the the rest is downloaded into Isolated Storage
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Apps can write to installation folder without any problems whatsoever.

-W_O_L_F- said:
What's the size (Full) of GTA? App don't do backup of all Isolated Storage, just Local folder. For most apps other folders are cache or empty.
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Everything goes back to normal after restart the phone. I did install GTA, made a full backup 1.98GB than I removed the game and restore backup. So do not need to be download extra files again

djtonka said:
Everything goes back to normal after restart the phone. I did install GTA, made a full backup 1.98GB than I removed the game and restore backup. So do not need to be download extra files again
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could you please send me Backup files ?
I want to try install on Lumia 920

I am trying catch by wireshark but cant see any matching files. Will upload anywway

By the way, -W_O_L_F- (and anybody else who might want to do something like this): Be aware that the ApplicationManager.FindPackages API does not list sideloaded applications. I recommend getting the package list from the registry (or, if you have access, the file system) instead, if you want sideloaded apps to show up.
I ran into this when trying to use AppFolder to create a folder of my sideloaded tools, and it didn't show them.
EDIT: Added this app to my list of apps for unlocked phones. Thanks for your great work!

Nokia keeps your logs and records here : <LogViewerUrl><![CDATA[https://ps-iceman.us.msudev.noklab.net/clientlogs]]></LogViewerUrl><!--internal URL for viewing uploaded client logs-->

Anyway to transfer app settings and passwords to new Nexus 6P

I'm looking to find a way to move my app settings, data and passwords (mainly settings and passwords...just hate having to re-enter all that mess) from my Note 3 to my new Nexus 6P. Looked at a few apps but those seem to only move contacts, pics, and stuff like that. I always backup everything on my Note 3 with Titanium backup...so am I going to have to transfer my backup from my Note 3 to my Nexus 6P to restore all that or is there a direct way to do it?

me too
darkcyber20 said:
I'm looking to find a way to move my app settings, data and passwords (mainly settings and passwords...just hate having to re-enter all that mess) from my Note 3 to my new Nexus 6P. Looked at a few apps but those seem to only move contacts, pics, and stuff like that. I always backup everything on my Note 3 with Titanium backup...so am I going to have to transfer my backup from my Note 3 to my Nexus 6P to restore all that or is there a direct way to do it?
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me too, looking for a tools to transfer apps + app settings + app data(account & password) from one to another device.
New to Android world, what's the best all device backup software.

Titanium backup is generally the way to go for backing up/restoring apps. However you'll probably end up having to clear the data of programs that you have a login for because the push notifications tend not to work after the restore.

Titanium backup is what I used.

jasonftfw said:
Titanium backup is generally the way to go for backing up/restoring apps. However you'll probably end up having to clear the data of programs that you have a login for because the push notifications tend not to work after the restore.
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So, basically just make a backup in Titanium on the old phone then copy that backup to my pc and then go from pc to new Nexus 6P and then do a restore, after finding my backup file?

darkcyber20 said:
So, basically just make a backup in Titanium on the old phone then copy that backup to my pc and then go from pc to new Nexus 6P and then do a restore, after finding my backup file?
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Basically yes, except won't be a file. It'll be a folder of files.

jasonftfw said:
Basically yes, except won't be a file. It'll be a folder of files.
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I have a Note II, and I'm considering getting the 6P at some point. I use RerWare's MyBackupPro to backup my phone (it's not rooted). Would MyBackupPro work in transferring app data, contacts, etc., to the 6P? Just curious for those of us who haven't rooted our phones...

Asquared said:
I have a Note II, and I'm considering getting the 6P at some point. I use RerWare's MyBackupPro to backup my phone (it's not rooted). Would MyBackupPro work in transferring app data, contacts, etc., to the 6P? Just curious for those of us who haven't rooted our phones...
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If you read the description of the app you would see what it does back up...
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You will not have your app data backed up because you need root access for that. Personally that app is not worth the money imo because you can do everything it does on your own and/or with free apps.

I made a new Titanium Backup backup and transferred that to my computer and then to my Nexus 6P. Ran Titanium Backup on the Nexus 6P and restored my few apps I needed to recover my data and passwords from and run perfectly.

darkcyber20 said:
I made a new Titanium Backup backup and transferred that to my computer and then to my Nexus 6P. Ran Titanium Backup on the Nexus 6P and restored my few apps I needed to recover my data and passwords from and run perfectly.
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This, did exactly the same.

Personally, I'm also a fan of using helium for backups. It is free unless you want to do a cloud based backup. I paid for the premium version, but either way it works without root just need to enable camera transfer and use the computer counterpart. Best of luck with your backup endeavor!

jasonftfw said:
Titanium backup is generally the way to go for backing up/restoring apps. However you'll probably end up having to clear the data of programs that you have a login for because the push notifications tend not to work after the restore.
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So you mean there's no way to back up apps' login account + password and have to do it one by one on the new Phone? if forget the password, i'm screwed-up.
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blabbersoft said:
Personally, I'm also a fan of using helium for backups. It is free unless you want to do a cloud based backup. I paid for the premium version, but either way it works without root just need to enable camera transfer and use the computer counterpart. Best of luck with your backup endeavor!
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Thx, will try it.
why I always hear the "root", what benefits get from rooted?
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darkcyber20 said:
I made a new Titanium Backup backup and transferred that to my computer and then to my Nexus 6P. Ran Titanium Backup on the Nexus 6P and restored my few apps I needed to recover my data and passwords from and run perfectly.
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Have you got app login info restored? or have to initially manually sign in the first time using app on your new phone?