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Why did you choose Xperia Z2?

Hi all, refer to the above let's discuss why you choose xperia z2 compare with others device.
is it because the design, Spec, price, sony fans or others.
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Simply because it's the best flagship on the market at the moment.

S5 sucked balls. It will be Z2 unless HTC suprises us with a monster in about 1 month.
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Just saw ARTICLE about new IPS screen and Sony finally have great and quality product.
I'm completely satisfied with my Z1 but if I get some interesting offer (like I got for Z1) I'll definitely try it.
Why?
Because, now, Z1 is ultimate device and Sony just upgraded it
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Because the Z2 is the best on the market just now, S5 rom is 8Gb compared to the Z2's 4Gb, plus Z2 has way more excellent specs. I don't care that Samsung maybe releasing a 64bit S5 later this year as I think it is too early for me to get into 64 bit phones just now; as infrastructure etc is not in place yet i.e. app devs have yet to jump on board. That is my opinion anyway...

Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.

I had a Z, ZL and now Z1. Logical to have a Z2 next.
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Lost faith in Samsung with there handling of s3 updates plus had problems with them regarding other Samsung products. Been a fan of sony for a while now and its coming close to my phone upgrade and the Z2 currently looks like it. I have a few months to go so plenty of time to judge the competition and see what negatives might crop up about the z2.
As long as root is easily gained with minimal drawback Ill most likely be picking up the z2.
Plus the specs of this phone do look pretty good to me

Bigger battery, nicer look, wanted something that wasn't made by Samsung for once.
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Eye friendly...
I am one of the small amount percentage of population who seems to suffer from LED's displays... Sony triluminos display tech, seems to be benign on our eyes. At least sony Vaio Pro 13 and flip are better displays... This issue has years... Hope Z2 is really eye friendly to me too...
Seems spectrum of light of triluminos technology is more balanced. Not a huge blue spike on spectrum...
Here you could see a thread talking on LED's:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1677617?start=0&tstart=0
My HTC One is killing my eyes...
Cheers...

xz2
because of this past year i cannot trust Sony easily!
i love to buy Xperia Z2 IF all thing about display & ... be right!
if no two quality of display!
sharp display! jdc! OR all story like those!
It s ok if sony s using different company for display supplying BUT not different quality from each company.
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My first phone was the Motorola RAZR V3i and have been a loyal user since then with Moto Droid & Moto RAZR... just loved the premium build quality along with excellent specs. Beauty with brains! Loved the design of Xperia Z & Z1 but was hesitant to switch due to the screen quality as I'm spoiled by AMOLED on my RAZR.
But the Z2 seems like the only phone to be awesome inside & out with no drawbacks to give me second thoughts why not to buy it... (Size was a little concern but I can live with that)

It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.

bigbrown said:
It's either the htc one 2014 or z2. I'm going to buy on tmobile 's jump program if i do decide to get one of these puppies. The phone addict in me wants the latest and greatest, but honestly don't "need" one just yet since I have the N5.
I expect by Fall, everyone will update their SOCs with 64 bit cpus. Also hope that finger print unlock and pw will be supported more widely. Not to mention waterproof and 3GB of ram. These will be must have options.
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I also want to see what htc will bring to the table. I doubt it can match sony. Also would need a case since you can't get protection on the alu back.
I don't really see a need for 64 bit systems. What do you see 64 bit bring? Do phones need a new OS to match it? Will support for old systems stop?

We might not need it in the consumer space, but it's one of those things where if you can get it as a little to no-cost option, why not? I can envision a bunch of enterprise use cases like big data analytics and data visualization, not to mention phones/phablets/tablets with > 4gb of ram etc

I'm currently on a htc one x, my contract has 2 weeks on it, so I started looking. The galaxy s5 is a massive fail in my eyes, and I'm just getting bored with HTC. As soon as a saw a leak of sense 6 I knew I'd be bored. I'm going to miss BlinkFeed, but the look of the Z2 and the specs, plus noise cancelling and stereo speakers, as well as the camera (going on a once in a lifetime holiday in August), coupled with an sd card slot and waterproofing (11 pools in the resort), I think it'd be a crime not to go for the Z2. I am worried about the size a little bit, even tho I have big hands.

I have the HTC one and have very little complaints about it and the 2014 version looks promissing but that panel that used to have the capacitive buttons on it is still there but now it's just a logo. Idk why they would keep that. I hate wasted space and big bezels and I think the Z2 once I get Cyanogenmod running on it would be amazing

because the first android phone that i used was sony
sony phones are great in price , support in my country and dev's are supporting them great
and the most important one because sony phones are blazing fast and their software is useful and they don't have useless futures that only make your phone slower and they will eat your ram as hell
thats why i decided to buy sony z2

I love the design,
I love the software,
I love the camera,
I love the build quality,
I love the bigger battery,
I love front facing speakers,
And 3gb of Ram which the s5 don't have (besides I got the note 3, I dont need any more Samsung devices for now)
The Z2 and the note 3 will do me for now

mujj said:
Waterproofing
Micro SD slot
Front facing speakers
Great camera
And thankfully a big battery
Also simple things like a camera shutter button make this the best phone on the market atm.
BTW, would not touch the S5. The design combined with touchwiz is enough to put me off.
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All of the above + 3GB RAM is what sold me. It should also make this phone relevant for a while. Can't wait for the Z2 to arrive!

[Q] In Japan, Can't make up my mind!

Hello to all:laugh:. As my title implies, I am currently living in Japan where the GS 5 went on sale a few weeks ago. I first was really excited about it and even more so when I was able to hold it since the design seems to have received a lot of undeserved hate.
Since the official announce of the LG G3 however, I can't help but think that the it would be better for me since it has more features I want to use namely OIS and knock code.
Here is the catch, it seems LG has no plans to release the LG G3 in Japan other than in a somehow modified version in the form of the LG Isai:
http://www.gizbot.com/mobile/lg-isai-fl-officially-launched-features-5-5-inch-quad-hd-display-news-017078.html
That phone looks very plasticky and will probably drop the optical OIS for a regular digital one.
I have been hesitating between getting the GS 5 and waiting until the next generation of smathphones in the winter or next year.
All that said, I am still very attracted to the Japanese GS 5 since it offers a charging dock that directly connects to the phone without needing to remove the USB flap.
Japanese link with pictures.
http://gori.me/samsung/galaxy-s5/51851
I would just like to have some opinions concerning the overall value of the phone especially fromusers with kids: can you manage to take good and blur-free indoor pics of your kids?
Do you think the OIS makes it worth sticking to my GS 2 until the next Galaxy?
I really want to fall in love with that phone and buy it.
Thanks a lot!
David

Consider GS5 and G3, both are good devices, able to take indoor picture clearly.
Why not just go to store and try it, I'm sure this is the best way to clear your mind
If you want to wait until G3 release, maybe the next GS is coming after G3 release, just sayin.
Plus, you are using GS2, so better stick with GS series, so you don't need to get used to it again.
I mean the layout and buttons

xdarkkenny said:
Consider GS5 and G3, both are good devices, able to take indoor picture clearly.
Why not just go to store and try it, I'm sure this is the best way to clear your mind
If you want to wait until G3 release, maybe the next GS is coming after G3 release, just sayin.
Plus, you are using GS2, so better stick with GS series, so you don't need to get used to it again.
I mean the layout and buttons
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Very true. I actually went to try in the store but since they do not have the LG 3, I have nothing to compare the GS 5 to. It seems great but I still can't find the "wow" factor. What phone do you have?

gaikokujin said:
Very true. I actually went to try in the store but since they do not have the LG 3, I have nothing to compare the GS 5 to. It seems great but I still can't find the "wow" factor. What phone do you have?
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I just got GS5 recently, I was thinking to get G3 but I picked GS5 at the end.
I've used iPhone 5, Sony Xperia Z, Z1, GS series and note 2.
I'm a kind of person like to control my phone with one hand and waterproof, and I'm sure you won't find any "surprise" point on GS5
GS5 is little bit disappointment because of the 2GB RAM and too many model number, such as G900F, G900K...etc.
Have to say, it confused people when they have GS5.
If you are heavy duty user, you should wait for G3, because G3 have 3GB of RAM.
Sony is also good, good camera module but their camera software are blurry somehow.
I will recommend to get GS5 or wait for G3 which is more valuable.

it hasn't been confirmed that g3 has 3gb ram as the korean version only comes with 2gb
z2 camera and s5 are on the same page, each one has its own bread and butter. but it is rumor that z2 has buggy camera hardware which could not be fixed by software update. I experienced z2 once, the fone getting hot very quickly if you take photos or 4k filming from 5 to 7 mins and cause fc.
having all said that, it depends on how you feel. for me, I bought s5 simply its over-redundance features and great community development. it doesn't look gorgeous but I believe it will not be out-dated in the next 3-4 years because galaxy families have many renowned developers support.
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babygau said:
it hasn't been confirmed that g3 has 3gb ram as the korean version only comes with 2gb
z2 camera and s5 are on the same page, each one has its own bread and butter. but it is rumor that z2 has buggy camera hardware which could not be fixed by software update. I experienced z2 once, the fone getting hot very quickly if you take photos or 4k filming from 5 to 7 mins and cause fc.
having all said that, it depends on how you feel. for me, I bought s5 simply its over-redundance features and great community development. it doesn't look gorgeous but I believe it will not be out-dated in the next 3-4 years because galaxy families have many renowned developers support.
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Babygau, I have never thought about community support but am intrigued by what you said. What do you mean, practically? I can't say I am a power user of android, mostly average I guess.

Hey, please note that custom software development for the special version of Galaxy S5 with the charging dock will be minimal since it is a quite rare model (this applies to the Isai as well). Hence if you are planning to root, and install custom ROM you might have a poor experience.
With that said, the Isai has a better screen and more RAM which suggests smoother real life performance while the Galaxy S5 has a better physical design for those with kids due to IP67 resistance.
So it is up to you to decide whether you would like better software performance or a higher degree of "child-proofing".

mediumsteak said:
Hey, please note that custom software development for the special version of Galaxy S5 with the charging dock will be minimal since it is a quite rare model (this applies to the Isai as well). Hence if you are planning to root, and install custom ROM you might have a poor experience.
With that said, the Isai has a better screen and more RAM which suggests smoother real life performance while the Galaxy S5 has a better physical design for those with kids due to IP67 resistance.
So it is up to you to decide whether you would like better software performance or a higher degree of "child-proofing".
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THanks for the tip. I did not realize that rooting may not work on some models. I also heard it trips the KNOX counter and thus void the warranty. ALthough I have been playing with IOS and PCs for a few years, I am still scared of having too much fun with rooting on android...

xdarkkenny said:
I just got GS5 recently, I was thinking to get G3 but I picked GS5 at the end.
I've used iPhone 5, Sony Xperia Z, Z1, GS series and note 2.
I'm a kind of person like to control my phone with one hand and waterproof, and I'm sure you won't find any "surprise" point on GS5
GS5 is little bit disappointment because of the 2GB RAM and too many model number, such as G900F, G900K...etc.
Have to say, it confused people when they have GS5.
If you are heavy duty user, you should wait for G3, because G3 have 3GB of RAM.
Sony is also good, good camera module but their camera software are blurry somehow.
I will recommend to get GS5 or wait for G3 which is more valuable.
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Sony is trash. Software updates come late, bug ridden and laggy. Also Sony devices get stupidly hot.
And I don't see how 2gb of RAM is bad...my gs5 idles using 1.1gb out of 1.8gb of ram.
Also, only the 32gb model G3 will have 3gb of RAM, 16gb will have 2gb of RAM.

gaikokujin said:
Hello to all:laugh:. As my title implies, I am currently living in Japan where the GS 5 went on sale a few weeks ago. I first was really excited about it and even more so when I was able to hold it since the design seems to have received a lot of undeserved hate.
Since the official announce of the LG G3 however, I can't help but think that the it would be better for me since it has more features I want to use namely OIS and knock code.
Here is the catch, it seems LG has no plans to release the LG G3 in Japan other than in a somehow modified version in the form of the LG Isai:
http://www.gizbot.com/mobile/lg-isai-fl-officially-launched-features-5-5-inch-quad-hd-display-news-017078.html
That phone looks very plasticky and will probably drop the optical OIS for a regular digital one.
I have been hesitating between getting the GS 5 and waiting until the next generation of smathphones in the winter or next year.
All that said, I am still very attracted to the Japanese GS 5 since it offers a charging dock that directly connects to the phone without needing to remove the USB flap.
Japanese link with pictures.
http://gori.me/samsung/galaxy-s5/51851
I would just like to have some opinions concerning the overall value of the phone especially fromusers with kids: can you manage to take good and blur-free indoor pics of your kids?
Do you think the OIS makes it worth sticking to my GS 2 until the next Galaxy?
I really want to fall in love with that phone and buy it.
Thanks a lot!
David
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WoW! I wish the US version had the dock charging option! DAMN!

Thanks all for your advice. The funny thing is that some video comparison of LG G3 and GS5 camera are up on youtube and while they look legit, the differences are either small or the GS5 has better colors. I am pretty sure though that the LG phone is not fully optimized and as such the quality of the pics isn't either.

OnePlus one or Samsung Galaxy S5 or another phone?

Hello,
I want to buy a new phone for my self,the thing are importent to me is : camera and powerfull device (games,apps,all will run smooth and without any problems in the future),the last thing is a good quality,i mean:the phone i used so far was an iphone 5 which is a good quality phone made from Metalic thingy,oh and the last thing is the battery,i need a good battery also.
*if isn"t the right fourm please replace it*

Do some research and make the decision for yourself. These kinds of threads are pointless, all you're going to get is a bunch of conflicting opinions and then you'll be left to have the decision for yourself anyway.
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@ozal5 timmaaa is right!Read,read,read!And then make your decision!

ozal5 said:
Hello,
I want to buy a new phone for my self,the thing are importent to me is : camera and powerfull device (games,apps,all will run smooth and without any problems in the future),the last thing is a good quality,i mean:the phone i used so far was an iphone 5 which is a good quality phone made from Metalic thingy,oh and the last thing is the battery,i need a good battery also.
*if isn"t the right fourm please replace it*
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From reading reviews and feedback from users it would seem that the Oneplus One would meet your needs. I previously had the S4, moved to the HTC One M8 last month and have been considering the OPO. The M8 is a great phone with arguably the best design/build quality out there at the moment. Things which tempt me are the price, great value for money, the 64GB storage space. My M8 is 16GB which isnt great when you only have access to around 9GB, I have an sd card but you cant install apps directly to it. The fact it runs stock/custom stock android and is so easy to root/unlock/flash etc. The extra RAM and bigger battery are also advantages.
Check the below threads for further relevant discussions and have a search for anything more specific:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/to-t2905794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073

Thanks i'll check this out.
But the One is powerfull more then G3 or S5?

ozal5 said:
Thanks i'll check this out.
But the One is powerfull more then G3 or S5?
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In terms of processors they all run the Snapdragon 801 with the Adreno 330 GPU, so on paper are evenly matched, with the One also have 3GB of RAM along with the G3 (depending on model) whereas the S5 has 2GB. In the real life scenario you could say that the One has more resources to play with as its running a much leaner version of android (ie not skinned/minus bloat). The power of each device would probably be based on your own usage and expectations of 'power'. Theres plenty of videos on youtube showing side by side comparisons/benchmarks etc that are also worth a look.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/compare/OnePlus-One,Samsung-Galaxy-S5,LG-G3/phones/8603,8202,8347
All run SD801, CPU wise not an issue. OPO has 3GB ram vs 2GB on the others (G3 depending what model you get) OPO & S5 run 1080p screens with the G3 housing a 2K screen etc etc. They are all evenly matched, name your price choose your device.

After using OPO for 2 months, the only 2 phones I see as it's replacement now are:
1) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Better processor, better screen, better camera. Almost the same size. Forget about Galaxy S5 But Touchwiz.... Yuk! Hate it.
2) Sony Xperia Z3. Best camera on Android (only iPhone 6 camera is better), very good battery life. And good user inteface, better than Touchwiz.

So far i can see clearly that the OPO is better,is had the same proccesor and better battery it's look like i'll choose the OPO,because if the OPO better then the S5 isn't reason to pay more (only the IPS67 is a good reason but not enough).
Thanks alot ,
i asked in another fourm im my country and people told me to buy S5 but i trust this fourm more.

gsmyth said:
From reading reviews and feedback from users it would seem that the Oneplus One would meet your needs. I previously had the S4, moved to the HTC One M8 last month and have been considering the OPO. The M8 is a great phone with arguably the best design/build quality out there at the moment. Things which tempt me are the price, great value for money, the 64GB storage space. My M8 is 16GB which isnt great when you only have access to around 9GB, I have an sd card but you cant install apps directly to it. The fact it runs stock/custom stock android and is so easy to root/unlock/flash etc. The extra RAM and bigger battery are also advantages.
Check the below threads for further relevant discussions and have a search for anything more specific:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/to-t2905794
http://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-one/general/buy-oneplus-one-t2912073
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The build quality on the M8 isn't that good, speaker grills loose and not aligned, volume button loose, htc letters falling off and it marks really easy although mine was unmarked but all my phones are the same.
Ozonep said:
After using OPO for 2 months, the only 2 phones I see as it's replacement now are:
1) Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Better processor, better screen, better camera. Almost the same size. Forget about Galaxy S5 But Touchwiz.... Yuk! Hate it.
2) Sony Xperia Z3. Best camera on Android (only iPhone 6 camera is better), very good battery life. And good user inteface, better than Touchwiz.
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Iphone 6 camera better than Xperia Z2/3 lol

GTCC said:
Iphone 6 camera better than Xperia Z2/3 lol
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http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...peria-Z3-LG-G3-Galaxy-S5-Galaxy-Note-3_id3822
You have something to say? I haven't read ANY review where Xperia Z3 camera was concluded to be better than iPhone's camera. Or you're just Apple hater?

Ozonep said:
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/C...peria-Z3-LG-G3-Galaxy-S5-Galaxy-Note-3_id3822
You have something to say? I haven't read ANY review where Xperia Z3 camera was concluded to be better than iPhone's camera. Or you're just Apple hater?
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Funny, you say that the Z3 is the best android phone camera and then you link a video that shows that it's anything but the best android camera, so which is it?
The reason for my post quoting you was because you said that the iPhone 6 camera was better than the Z3 camera but that is like saying that a Mercedes F1 car is better than a McLaren F1 car, yes it is but it is not like it had a lot to be better than.
I wonder why they didn't have a Nokia in that comparison in that test.
Anyway thanks for the laugh.

GTCC said:
Funny, you say that the Z3 is the best android phone camera and then you link a video that shows that it's anything but the best android camera, so which is it?
The reason for my post quoting you was because you said that the iPhone 6 camera was better than the Z3 camera but that is like saying that a Mercedes F1 car is better than a McLaren F1 car, yes it is but it is not like it had a lot to be better than.
I wonder why they didn't have a Nokia in that comparison in that test.
Anyway thanks for the laugh.
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Don't get me wrong, I love Z2/Z3 camera. I owned Z2 for 2 months, and it's camera was superb! What I mean is - OPO's camera produces VERY mediocre photos. For example - this shot was taken on Z2 without any editing.
http://s010.radikal.ru/i312/1410/42/a43d189886f7.jpg
OPO's camera doesn't produce such good colours (at least on CM ROM, I haven't tried ColorOS). So it's kinda stupid to recommend someone OPO, if he needs good camera. Xperia Z2/Z3 suit his needs much better, and Z2 is quite cheap now, because it's not flagship anymore.

I'd probably get the note 4 if not for AT&T locking it down. Same with Verizon.
One plus is excellent though I'm quite happy with it.

I had the galaxy s5. I was hoping to put a gpe rom on it, but it never came out. I got really frustrated by touchwiz and the lag it caused. I really liked the camera and screen of the s5, but decided to give it to my sister and ordered the opo. I am still very happy with my choice. The only thing that I miss is the lte. Good luck making a decision.

ozal5 said:
So far i can see clearly that the OPO is better,is had the same proccesor and better battery it's look like i'll choose the OPO,because if the OPO better then the S5 isn't reason to pay more (only the IPS67 is a good reason but not enough).
Thanks alot ,
i asked in another fourm im my country and people told me to buy S5 but i trust this fourm more.
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The OPO is cheaper and has more RAM, thats it. Oh and tons of bugs and a yellow band at the bottom of the display and no customer service.
If you have the money, get anything else.

decided to upgrade from nexus 4.. plz help

hi guys
i wanned to buy new phone.. and i'm thoroughly confused :/
my expections:
first of all... speed speed speed..!
i dont mean benchmark numbers or either gaming performance (i don't play games) i just want fast and super responding interface
2.battery 3. developmental support.. 4.screen 5.camera
i decided to buy s5.. but when i played around with it, totally disappointed :/ really slow interface.. i don't know how is it in non stock based custom roms..
then i cheked m8 .. it was lovely fast.. but i think camera is aweful stupid htc just put simple 13mp camera
g3 also checked it's videos.. shamefully it's slow just like s5 just have quicker animation speed.. but i want touch responsive phone.. not fast animated..
i heard it'll get better after updates.. i dunno how much..
plz help...

What abt moto x, second generation though camera might not be upto u r expectation..
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NeverBackDown said:
What abt moto x, second generation though camera might not be upto u r expectation..
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The Moto X 2014 is a good suggestion for sheer speed. The pairing of the Snapdragon 801 with the natural language processor and contextual computing chip make for an extremely responsive device. Heck, even the 2013 Moto X is very snappy with this configuration, despite only having the dual core 1.7GHz S4 Pro.
Of course, there's always the Nexus 6, but it's a big phone, and you might have to wait a while before you can get ahold of one.

camera is fine .. at least better than m8.. but battery is awful ..
i just wanna know if s5 have super fast roms.. i'll go for s5 for sure..
and god i hate google 'cause of n6 it's too big and expensive..

Some how I don't like Samsung.. My First android phone was Samsung GT-I9003 and didn't have good experience with it.. I still feel they play with market.. All their flag ship phones gets launched in the price range 40k to 50k (Indian rupee) and with in months the price will be in low 30k (Indian rupee) and still they manufacture those products and sell them imagine how much they end in profits..
Another best example is s3 which launched along with Nexus 4 (or in the same time frame) and they ended with official jelly bean.. And I heard the reason for no official Kitkat is due to lack of ram for their touchwiz (as we know Kitkat was made to run on low end devices with less ram) so I still don't get their point..
Also I heard s5 is full of bloat ware off course few might be usefull.. But the only advantage of smasung is their camera..
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* Specs of N4 are still very good. New phone will probably cost a lot of money without adding that much of performance, even if you sell your N4.
* Still a well designed phone - the way it looks, the way it holds in a hand, the way you interact with it. Design is not all about looks and gold-plating.
* Still supported by Google and by a huge community of XDA ?
But otherwise you might look for N6 - it has a better camera, bigger screen with better color balance, better hardware, more power-saving features, bigger battery. And it costs two times Nexus 4.

OT i know, but ive got an s3 and im seriously thinking of getting a N4 cheap from ebay (cant afford N5)
im fed up with S3 and sammy s*** and cm11/aosp things not working properly because of closed source stuff.
Is the camera and battery of th N4 that bad? And does it lag at all?
cheers

reqmon said:
* Specs of N4 are still very good. New phone will probably cost a lot of money without adding that much of performance, even if you sell your N4.
* Still a well designed phone - the way it looks, the way it holds in a hand, the way you interact with it. Design is not all about looks and gold-plating.
* Still supported by Google and by a huge community of XDA ?
But otherwise you might look for N6 - it has a better camera, bigger screen with better color balance, better hardware, more power-saving features, bigger battery. And it costs two times Nexus 4.
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totally agree with you..
i've no problem with my n4.. it's even getting android 5..
but my sis wants a new phone and i want sell my n4 to her otherwise n4 is fantastic..

jock11 said:
OT i know, but ive got an s3 and im seriously thinking of getting a N4 cheap from ebay (cant afford N5)
im fed up with S3 and sammy s*** and cm11/aosp things not working properly because of closed source stuff.
Is the camera and battery of th N4 that bad? And does it lag at all?
cheers
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Camera is not good. Battery is enough for 3 hours of screen on time, maybe even more. Easily lasts throughout the day.

Why not upgrade in the Neus Line?
I am still wondering why don't you upgrade in the Nexus line itself. I mean options like N5 and N6 are pretty great if you think about.

[QESTION][SUGGESTION] Alternative For The OnePlus 5 ?

I don't know about you guys , but i'm disappointed by the OP5 ... and regretting the fact that i waited nearly a full year for it , now i need another phone , and i think most of you do as well , it's the main reason people didn't wanna return their phones , because there are no alternatives that has :
-Stock or Stock-ish android experience ( or dev community support for custom roms and all .. )
-overall great camera ( specially dual lenses , you can do great things with a dual shooter )
-high end specs ( SD835 , at least 6GB of RAM for heavy multitasking and installing a LOT of apps , bluetooth 5 , UFS 2,1 ... it is actually faster and has a significant impact on performance etc etc ... )
-Unlocked and multiband support ( i live in algeria ... u probably never heard of it , so no verison or AT&T ... )
i don't care about a 4K display , i was very please with that FHD amoled one
i don't care about bezels ... in fact i love them , they give more grip more protection and more natural look n feel
i don't care about SD card slots , i prefer putting all my data in one partition
i don't care about iris scanners or squeeze features ... BULL**** to me
i don't care about VR ... it's useless in out era IMO
i don't care about price , as long as it is not like 1000 dollars
i don't give that much importance to water resistance ... even though it will be appreciated
i don't give that much importance to design ... i want my phone to be beautiful but i don't care that it looks like another phone
i can't live without a phone that i can't root and fully customize and flash mods on and tune my audio and everything ... i never owned a flagship , all my life been running off of chineese phones with 1GB of ram and a MTK Soc but trust me i went far with em ... now i need a good phone .
by the things i said the OP5 will be perfect , but just too much flaws man ..
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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Hmm You can take a look at Motorola or xaomi are pretty close to Google stock. May i ask what flaws you have with the op5? I owned It a week now and battery / performance is awsome.
Cheers

Lackluster cameras and a jelly screen.

roba93 said:
Hmm You can take a look at Motorola or xaomi are pretty close to Google stock. May i ask what flaws you have with the op5? I owned It a week now and battery / performance is awsome.
Cheers
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Since the moment i heard about it i knew it was gonna be the PERFECT phone for me ... but the jello effect and the camera are kinda putting me dowwnn , like really

Kirahvi said:
Lackluster cameras and a jelly screen.
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Yes that is exactly what's holding me back from it

ReyTheBoss said:
Since the moment i heard about it i knew it was gonna be the PERFECT phone for me ... but the jello effect and the camera are kinda putting me dowwnn , like really
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Hmm thats to bad. Personaly i dont see the jelly effect, could be my eyes or my phone does not have it haha. Camera is fine for my needs. But Will improve alot with software updates.
I think for the same experience with better camera and no jelly it would be the Google pixel. But Its an expensive choice
Cheers

Hola
I think that I can empathize with your sentiments on this device. I also refuse to utilise any new phone that does not provide me with an unlocked bootloader and sources for their kernel or firmware, which in turn hopefully gives way to a vibrant development community.
You can consider:
1. Devices from OPPO. They do provide some decent specs for their higher tiered devices, and I understand, like OnePlus, they have a decent active development community.
2. ZTE Axon 7. Yes, last year's specifications but man those dual firing front speakers are awesome as is the screen and phone build. Development is there though only a few active developers are around. I honestly believe it was the best phone of last year for the specs it had with ability to at least get LOS and RR official support! I was using the Axon 7 before I switched to the OnePlus 5.
3. Crazy as it sounds, but the OnePlus 3T might be a decent alternative. Getting one used might be your best bet.
4. You may have to wait for the Pixel 2 series later in November / December if you want decent specs, good camera, and an proper development support.
While indeed hardware specs are super important, I have come to realise after using a number of flagship devices from Samsung and others that if the hardware doesn't have the open community behind it, IMHO the phone is a flop! Samsung Galaxy S series does have the ability to unlock the bootloader in certain regions, the hardware specs are usually top notch, but man I hate TouchWiz and the inability to utilize LOS or RR custom ROMs. Xiaomi phones are decently priced and certain phones get good community development like the Global version of the Redmi Note 4 but the hardware specs are many time mediocre. I would get a Global Redmi Note 4 as a secondary phone just in case my main phone got damaged or lost.
I am reading each and every post here on the OnePlus 5, seeing all the known issues, and the accompanying hate, but those listed issues won't be enough for me to switch yet. I am patiently waiting on our great developers to start providing some kickass custom ROMs.

roba93 said:
Hmm thats to bad. Personaly i dont see the jelly effect, could be my eyes or my phone does not have it haha. Camera is fine for my needs. But Will improve alot with software updates.
I think for the same experience with better camera and no jelly it would be the Google pixel. But Its an expensive choice
Cheers
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Not only it is expensive , but with an old chipset and less ram and the ugliest desing ever and back fingerprint sensor ... nah man
plus even if i wait for the pixel 2 ... that's gonna be like napalm for my wallet ! nah ...
if it was that easy i wouldn't have created this thread
thank you soo much for your help my friend

I think mine is dope

QAM said:
Hola
I think that I can empathize with your sentiments on this device. I also refuse to utilise any new phone that does not provide me with an unlocked bootloader and sources for their kernel or firmware, which in turn hopefully gives way to a vibrant development community.
You can consider:
1. Devices from OPPO. They do provide some decent specs for their higher tiered devices, and I understand, like OnePlus, they have a decent active development community.
2. ZTE Axon 7. Yes, last year's specifications but man those dual firing front speakers are awesome as is the screen and phone build. Development is there though only a few active developers are around. I honestly believe it was the best phone of last year for the specs it had with ability to at least get LOS and RR official support! I was using the Axon 7 before I switched to the OnePlus 5.
3. Crazy as it sounds, but the OnePlus 3T might be a decent alternative. Getting one used might be your best bet.
4. You may have to wait for the Pixel 2 series later in November / December if you want decent specs, good camera, and an proper development support.
While indeed hardware specs are super important, I have come to realise after using a number of flagship devices from Samsung and others that if the hardware doesn't have the open community behind it, IMHO the phone is a flop! Samsung Galaxy S series does have the ability to unlock the bootloader in certain regions, the hardware specs are usually top notch, but man I hate TouchWiz and the inability to utilize LOS or RR custom ROMs. Xiaomi phones are decently priced and certain phones get good community development like the Global version of the Redmi Note 4 but the hardware specs are many time mediocre. I would get a Global Redmi Note 4 as a secondary phone just in case my main phone got damaged or lost.
I am reading each and every post here on the OnePlus 5, seeing all the known issues, and the accompanying hate, but those listed issues won't be enough for me to switch yet. I am patiently waiting on our great developers to start providing some kickass custom ROMs.
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First off , in 6 months of browsing in XDA , this is the best reply i have ever recieved :victory:
i am exactly like you , i could never agree more ... but i really don't like the other choices ... hear me out
1-the latest device of oppo is the OPPO R11 plus ... which is like the ****ing deformated twin brother of the OP5 : same design look but the OP5 looks better and feels more premium ...and lower specs ( snapdragon 660 ? srsly ? )
and i've never been a fan of oppo phones and their UI that craves to be IOS like ... so i can't really go with that .
2-ZTE axon 7 is a really great phone , but last year's great phone , i wanna buy a phone that i won't swap for like 2 years , and this one is already pretty old , and i honestly can't let go of the SD835 andreno 540 , 8gigs of ram , DUAL cam , bluetooth 5 , gorilla glass 5 , front mounted fingerprint scanner etc ... i don't give much importance to the front firing speaker because i don't use it that much ... but the audio quality over the jack is verryyyyy important to me , as i said i never go with a phone without a sound mod applied , but the ZTE axon 7 just seems lacking a lot of the features here so it ain't attrackting me
3-will never consider the 3T because the 5 has everything the 3T has in a better way ... straight up
4-pixel 2 is actually my only choice except the OP5 ... but the price is gonna be radioactive , and the wait till nov/dec is really not pleasing , as i said i am running over multiple chineese phones that are loow ****ing end ... can't take it anymore i need something good
now honestly i haate the Samsung eco system ... and i hate the bother of looking for universal versions just for convinience , plus i don't trust the exynos ones i'd rather take a Snapdragon , but those are the ones that u can't do anything to ... what a shame
i am also reading all the threads about the OP5 ... and the only thing that really gets to me is the camera , i have a dslr ... but i really wanna experience one of the best phone cameras , because u can pretty much guess based on the phones i use that their camera is more than trash ... i never actually use them ... so if they fix the camera next month i will probably pick one ... if not , maybe i'll wait for the pixel 2 ...
thank you very much for your help ! :highfive:

Rebel7022 said:
I think mine is dope
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how is your experience with the camera ?

ReyTheBoss said:
if it was that easy i wouldn't have created this thread
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Newsflash! No matter what phone you choose (or wait for) there's likely going to be some aspect(s) that you don't like. There's also going to be some aspect(s) that delight you.
The design of every phone is a set of compromises. That reality also means that some people will be disappointed with some of those compromise decisions.
The only advice I can offer is to find something whose compromises you can live with. For me that happens to be the OP5--despite some of the compromises they made.

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how is your experience with the camera ?
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I like flashing roms and dash, I'm not into taking pics, so I don't care about the camera. I do like the camera though it's pretty good, I'm sure a dev will hook the camera up & improve it

auntyvirus said:
Newsflash! No matter what phone you choose (or wait for) there's likely going to be some aspect(s) that you don't like. There's also going to be some aspect(s) that delight you.
The design of every phone is a set of compromises. That reality also means that some people will be disappointed with some of those compromise decisions.
The only advice I can offer is to find something whose compromises you can live with. For me that happens to be the OP5--despite some of the compromises they made.
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a bit agressive here but you are right ... it is just that the camera of the OP5 was supposed to be THE "feauture" , the whole marketing point , not the biggest flaw of the device ... and it's almost a deal breaker ...
plus this thread is for all people not just for me , i am positive that a lot of people are in the same spot as me
and i know how it'll go , either i accept the OP5 or patience and time will show :good:

Rebel7022 said:
I like flashing roms and dash, I'm not into taking pics, so I don't care about the camera. I do like the camera though it's pretty good, I'm sure a dev will hook the camera & improve it
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cool my friend thank you for the reply ... i can't wait to please my flash addiction one i get my hand on it then

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a bit agressive here...
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It wasn't my intention to be aggressive or put anyone down. Rather it was to set expectations. You've asked a very good question. It's just that I doubt there's a good answer.
I've been looking for a replacement for my Nexus 5 for many months now. I finally decided to go with the OP5. Despite some minor quibbles, I'm keeping mine.
Yes, many people are in the same or similar situation as you. But if there was some other phone that had all of the positive features of the OP5, also addressed the negative ones, and cost no more than the OP5, I'm sure it would have been mentioned here. That it hasn't suggests either that (1) such a phone doesn't exist or that (2) everyone has their own individual set of criteria so no consensus can be reached.

ReyTheBoss said:
by the things i said the OP5 will be perfect , but just too much flaws man ..
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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I feel your point, 95% I agree with your analisys.
Moreover I need a dual SIM phone, and unlocked: my job obligates me to travel around the world, and I need to put a "local SIM" in order to get everywhere an internet connection, with acceptable costs.
If not OP5................. I could get:
Xiaomi, Galaxy S8 duos , Lenovo(Motorola), some Honor/Huawei.
I am based in Europe, Italy, that means:
not all Xiaomi support Italian 4G-LTE band, it sucks
Galaxy S8 duos in Italy is an import product... with delay in delivery and possible problem with warranty
Lenovo Honor and Huawei could be OK, but personally I feel not at the same level of OP5, in specs-performance.
At the end... when I will have the OP5 in my hand (in 2 weeks) I hope it totally satisfy myself, because ATM I have NO other options.
Crossed fingers

Ale08 said:
I feel your point, 95% I agree with your analisys.
Moreover I need a dual SIM phone, and unlocked: my job obligates me to travel around the world, and I need to put a "local SIM" in order to get everywhere an internet connection, with acceptable costs.
If not OP5................. I could get:
Xiaomi, Galaxy S8 duos , Lenovo(Motorola), some Honor/Huawei.
I am based in Europe, Italy, that means:
not all Xiaomi support Italian 4G-LTE band, it sucks
Galaxy S8 duos in Italy is an import product... with delay in delivery and possible problem with warranty
Lenovo Honor and Huawei could be OK, but personally I feel not at the same level of OP5, in specs-performance.
At the end... when I will have the OP5 in my hand (in 2 weeks) I hope it totally satisfy myself, because ATM I have NO other options.
Crossed fingers
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so again it goes back to the OnePlus 5 ... and all the criticism aside , it's a ****ing great phone , i might just stop *****ing about it and start seeing the good side of it XD that implies for everybody else :highfive:

Even though you don't care about any of the features that are distinguishing many of 2017's flagships, there are some that have those features and can still fit your criteria:
1. HTC U11. It is bootloader unlockable from the factory, so you can play with it to your hearts content.
2. Sony Xperia XZ Premium. Recently was added to their developer program, which will allow you to mod it, as well.
3. LG G6 US997. If in the US, this specific model has been added to the unlockable models list and LG tends to have a healthy following (even with the dreaded bootloop issue).
4. OnePlus 3T. As good as the OnePlus 5 in many ways and better in many others (no jelly like scrolling, massive custom development scene).
5. Google Pixel. No explanations necessary.

ReyTheBoss said:
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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www.kimovil.com is a pretty good page to compare and or find a phone that match your demands.
im more concerned about custom rom and developer community.