[Q] MotoACTV and Android Wear? - Wear OS Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

So, as I have eluded to in the tittle, could Android Wear run on a MotoACTV, theoretically?
For those who don't know, the background of the MotoACTV is that it runs GingerBread 2.3.4, has Bluetooth LE, WiFi, 256MB RAM, etc... (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motoactv for more info).
From my admittedly superficial look into Android Wear, I am assuming that the only hurdle here would be getting 4.4.2 or above running on the hardware?

im really excited about it hope motoactv receive a port of this os, altough i think it will not happen,
it will run on a 3.4 kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=51260100&postcount=1
no chances for our small beast
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on the other hand in the post i mencioned it says "<d:gl-version>2.0</d:gl-version>" if it is what i this it is (http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/graphics/opengl.html) maybe android 2.2 is the minimum version API level 8.
fingers crossed

mrmabs said:
So, as I have eluded to in the tittle, could Android Wear run on a MotoACTV, theoretically?
For those who don't know, the background of the MotoACTV is that it runs GingerBread 2.3.4, has Bluetooth LE, WiFi, 256MB RAM, etc... (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motoactv for more info).
From my admittedly superficial look into Android Wear, I am assuming that the only hurdle here would be getting 4.4.2 or above running on the hardware?
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there s nothing yet about minimum requirement of AndroidWear it s on KK 4.4.2 and min API is 18 (JB 4.3)
there should be hack method for motoACTV to install custom rom on it
then need compatible ported AndroidWear
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i think it s possible
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Motoactv development
Is there any motoactv development currently? or a forum for the device?

Runawaywill said:
Is there any motoactv development currently? or a forum for the device?
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if anyone needs a guinea pig here i am

Keeping my fingers crossed... would love to see some more options for this watch.

This would definitely be possible but whether anyone will invest the required time to do it or not is another question. The hardware in the MotoActv will be powerful enough to run Android Wear but without quite extensive work a lot of it wouldn't be compatible. I am aiming to bridge the gap in the meantime as I plan to work on a project to build a ROM with an Android Wear style experience (hopefully with ports of some of the actual Android Wear applications) on top the already functional Android Gingerbread base that we have.
I won't be able to start this properly for at least a month but I have ported the bootanimation from the LG G Watch system dump that was just leaked to help bring a very small part of the look and feel to the MotoACTV. See here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53150797

I have a motoactv as well and am taking great interest in seeing android wear brought to it, even if its just for me till all options are out (moto360, asus, etc) if no one wants to try to make it I guess I can try but I have no previous rom making skills, if anyone is interested in helping me figure this out please do so we can get this going!

i too will participate in testing - this would be awesome! the motoactv should have been what all these smart watches build off of. i wish the new smartwatches had standalone GPS.

I have a motoactv, count me in too for testing!

tlnlion said:
I have a motoactv, count me in too for testing!
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i'm next!:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
P.S. Any suggestions to solve the Motoactv.com sudden death? Where to save our workouts?

I have a Motoactv and would be willing to participate also, but why would you really want to use it with the Motoactv?
I was pretty sure Wear was pretty highly dependent on the microphone for Google now. In theory you could use a Bluetooth headset, but Google now was meant to use your phone with Bluetooth, and obviously you can only have one device connected at a time.
On a philosophical level, what I like about my Motoactv compared to modern smartwatches with Wear is that I'm free to use whatever app on the Play Store I feel like using no matter how sadistic, for better or for worse

Not completely tangential, but has anyone read Ron Amadeo's review of the Moto360 on Ars?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/moto-360-review-beautiful-outside-ugly-inside/
TL;DR - It's got an old processor that drags it down. (1GHz TI OMAP 3) and drains the battery quickly.
Doesn't the MotoActv have the same class of chip? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2170917
Could it be the same one, just overclocked? Would this help in getting Wear onto the Actv?

mjdyson said:
Not completely tangential, but has anyone read Ron Amadeo's review of the Moto360 on Ars?
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/09/moto-360-review-beautiful-outside-ugly-inside/
TL;DR - It's got an old processor that drags it down. (1GHz TI OMAP 3) and drains the battery quickly.
Doesn't the MotoActv have the same class of chip? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2170917
Could it be the same one, just overclocked? Would this help in getting Wear onto the Actv?
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Yes it does seem that the internals are based on the MotoACTV (likely to bring the cost down) which sort of makes sense because they did say at one point that it was their reference platform for the 360 during development. They both use OMAP 3 chips, clocked at 600MHz in the MotoACTV and 1GHz in the Moto 360. This would indeed potentially make it easier to port Android Wear to the MotoACTV.
The thing is though, as @m33rkat pointed out above, the MotoACV lacks a microphone and so it would not actually necessarily be all that great with Android Wear as it is quite largely driven by voice commands. It would also mean loosing access to many of the sports features we have now such as the Motoactv.com sync, activity profiles and use of ANT+ sensors.
I think the MotoACTV might be better used as it is with Motorola's fitness software. I also wish Moto had used a newer chip in the 360 such as the Snapdragon 400 because the OMAP 3 is pretty damn old!

wollac11 said:
Yes it does seem that the internals are based on the MotoACTV (likely to bring the cost down) which sort of makes sense because they did say at one point that it was their reference platform for the 360 during development. They both use OMAP 3 chips, clocked at 600MHz in the MotoACTV and 1GHz in the Moto 360. This would indeed potentially make it easier to port Android Wear to the MotoACTV.
The thing is though, as @m33rkat pointed out above, the MotoACV lacks a microphone and so it would not actually necessarily be all that great with Android Wear as it is quite largely driven by voice commands. It would also mean loosing access to many of the sports features we have now such as the Motoactv.com sync, activity profiles and use of ANT+ sensors.
I think the MotoACTV might be better used as it is with Motorola's fitness software. I also wish Moto had used a newer chip in the 360 such as the Snapdragon 400 because the OMAP 3 is pretty damn old!
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I think this may be more interesting once the next version of android wear is released. The GPS and offline music playback support would be better suited for the MOTOACTV since it contains GPS and the storage capacity to allow offline music. Can you overclock the processor in the motoactv? I wouldn't be surprised if android wear can run at a slower clock speed. I could imagine using the headphones (wired/bluetooth) to control the OS while running. Sucks there'd be no vibrations.

biggiestuff said:
I think this may be more interesting once the next version of android wear is released. The GPS and offline music playback support would be better suited for the MOTOACTV since it contains GPS and the storage capacity to allow offline music. Can you overclock the processor in the motoactv? I wouldn't be surprised if android wear can run at a slower clock speed. I could imagine using the headphones (wired/bluetooth) to control the OS while running. Sucks there'd be no vibrations.
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Yeah maybe. I guess it will depend on your individual use case for the device. As for overclocking the MotoACTV, yes that is possible.

Just wanted to throw my hat into the ring--I have a Motoactv and would also be up for testing. :good:

I'm trying to port it. I hope to have some thing running in a few days.
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dproldan said:
I'm trying to port it. I hope to have some thing running in a few days.
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This would be great... count me in for testing.

Yes, count us in !
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I'm trying to port it. I hope to have some thing running in a few days.
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[Q] Android 4.0 and HD2 - Any future ?

With Android 4.0 release today. Im raising the question. Is there any future and posibility of Droid 4.0 on HTC HD2 - Is Hardware of HD2 even capable of handle this system ?
I've been wondering about the same thing myself. After playing with the Samsung Galaxy S2 I decided that it's nice, but the advantages are not great enough for me to justify the expense. Looks like the hardware of the new Nexus phone will be a slightly upgraded S2, so at the end of the day it is all down to software.
Right now it's probably a bit early to say, but I'd expect the OS itself should run on the HD2 hardware. Experience might be smoother on higher end phones though. Then again, new high end devices will start getting 720p displays and compared to the decent, but dated by now, 800x480 display that will be a big increase when it comes to pixels rendered. So you will be getting faster hardware, but the beautiful display will probably eat into that processing power a bit.
If tytung and others can port stock ICS to the HD2 then I can probably make it last long enough until they release the S3 or whatever equivalent HTC superphone (though considering HTC's track record over the past few months they really need to get their act together, but that's a separate conversation).
Then again, we've seen very little of the stuff that ICS can do. I have no clue how much of an improvement it will be over 2.3.5. I hope it will be awesome, but I guess I'll find out in approximately 90 minutes
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With Android 4.0 release today. Im raising the question. Is there any future and posibility of Droid 4.0 on HTC HD2 - Is Hardware of HD2 even capable of handle this system ?
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Are you kidding? lol Our superphone has been able to run pretty much anything including the kitchen sink.
It's just a matter of time for the rom to be ported to the HD2
The geniuses we have cooking here can do anything but solve third world poverty and debt.
I reckon the big question should be How soon do you reckon there will be a development thread with ICS rom as the title.
Just finished watching the liveblog and I'm reading through updates on engadget and thisismynext.
Phone itself looks pretty sweet, but I guess that is off topic... so ICS.
First impression really good, though I have to wait to see some more hands on to form a more informed opinion. Though from an HD2 stand point there are a few things I am worried about:
1) face recognition unlock, personally I think it's a gimmick and I am almost 100% sure this can be disabled; the demo failure was pretty bad as well; but I wonder whether Google will include a new set of hardware requirements in the same way that Windows Phone 7 does; and if they do, to what extent can they be bypassed
2) no word on compatibility or updates with older devices; this was an event held to push the new OS and new Samsung made phone so naturally they would focus on this, but still I am a bit worried that Google might decide that they will only allow the OS to exist on new hardware and will somehow put restrictions that will be very hard to ignore. Then again I am writing this 10 minutes after the keynote has finished, while I'm waiting for the first hands-on updates so possibly this might not even be an issue 10 minutes from now I guess they were talking about integrating the software and hardware so tightly (and some of the new features look like they really take the advantage of 720p res) that I'm worried that the OS running on a single core 800x480 device will look a bit rubbish. Ah, and they mentioned 720p as the native res for ICS. I'm guessing other resolutions will be available since it's impossible google will just assume that even lower end smartphones will have 720p screen, but I'm a bit worried how the UI elements will interact with a lower res display.
Oh well. Time will tell.
Overall I'm pretty chuffed. As usual there are a few new/polished features which I don't care about (face unlock, dictating texts, most of the camera improvements since I'm not that much into photo taking) and some stuff which they are missing. The big one being facebook. They said that any social network can use their API so hopefully that means some tighter integration at OS level, but time will tell. They are trying to push g+ obviously and I like it way more than fb, especially when it comes to mobile, but at the end of the day I'll always end up where most of my non-geek friends are. One other trend which has being gaining traction is the proliferation of profile photos, qhich can be very nice and make the UI come to life. But in my experience, quite often people won't have profile pics, because they haven't posted one or the contact exists just as a gmail address/phone number and isn't linked to any social network. That and most people put profile pics which are rubbish thumbnails that will look like a turd once you blow them up on a 4.3-4.65 screen which will suddenly look much less cool.
Anyway. These are VERY early impressions and are mostly positive. I hope there won't be many problems with porting this to the HD2. And if there are then I guess 2-2.5 years of valiant service is not a bad run.
We should be getting it. http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/19/google-confirms-nexus-s-will-get-ice-cream-sandwich-for-real/
Theoretically it should run on any Android 2.3 device.
Direct from Engadget :-
<We've just heard straight from Google's Gabe Cohen that the Nexus S will definitely be getting ICS. In fact, both he and Matias Duarte think most Gingerbread devices will see an upgrade, saying: Currently in the process for releasing Ice Cream Sandwich for Nexus S. Theoretically should work for any 2.3 device.>
So it should be fine
Hell Yes!! I guess there is still a difference between "run" and "run well" - iOS4 on iPhone 3G anyone? - but I'm really looking forward to it. This is awesome news. If they are rolling out ICS to the Nexus S then we might even see a usable ROM before the Galaxy Nexus hits retail.
Honestly, I don't think Google would release an OS that would run only on dual core devices, while they are still far from being top sellers. There are way more single-core devices out there...
Beside, while dual core devices are obviously faster (I have a Tab 10.1 myself)...that's pretty much it ! Games will run smoother but not the OS itself. You don't feel the dual core is fully used.
I guess that things will get trickier for our HD2 at the end of 2012 when dual core will be more implemented.
So sit back and wait for AOSP/CM9.
Looks like the SDK and the G-Nex system dump are both out...
Hope we see a ROM for the HD2 soon!
Nil3E said:
With Android 4.0 release today. Im raising the question. Is there any future and posibility of Droid 4.0 on HTC HD2 - Is Hardware of HD2 even capable of handle this system ?
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ICS has no new hardware requirements so doesnt matter how old the device is, if it was capable to run gingerbread than your good for ICS
Carriers won’t have to use nasty schemes to make people buy a new phone either, i wonder what their marketing trick for devices with ICS will be.
That Google wouldnt release an OS that would run only on dual core devices is also true, and dual core support doesnt even mean your device will run better, it just handles multitasking better.
(My old 3.2ghz dual core laptop runs faster than my new 2.0ghz quad core )
Just see and hope
hope i can try!
hope that cooming soon, how about NexusHD2-Ice Cream Sandwich rom by tytung ^^ lol
i hope ics can be ported for our hd2
The only thing that most certainly will not work is the face unlock feature. Although even then they might make it use the back camera .
Add to that the 1080p recording and those are the only things I don't see ever working on our beloved hd2.
Fortunately, it's android 4.0 and they still didn't iron out our phone. ICS will be possible on hd2. Hope it sees even 5.0 and onwards.
youtube.com/watch?v=5QHhFR-puEo Android 4.0 in HD2? YEAA
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youtube.com/watch?v=5QHhFR-puEo Android 4.0 in HD2? YEAA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LE93OdYnkrA (tutorial on how to do it?)
nemuro said:
The only thing that most certainly will not work is the face unlock feature. Although even then they might make it use the back camera .
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I'm fairly sure CM9 will come up with a back camera work around...
I have to admit i was wondering myself if ICS would run on our HD2 after hearing that the coding in ICS was built for dual core.. but the devs here and the hd2 can conquer anything.. even android Jello, kitkat, licorise, and muffin lol jk

Raspberry Pi project vs Atrix

I just came across this website. It's a $35 SoC system with a ARMv6 cpu and 256M RAM. The demo shows it plays 1080p H.264 video, XBMC, even Quake III well! Comparing its hardware with Atrix, I can't imagine how much processing power was wasted in Atrix.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/
Yeah that's sick.
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Exactly what I thought when i saw it. They say the GPU can outperform the Tegra2. But my opinion on why it runs so well is because it is running Linux, which has been heavily optimized throughout the years. Android is still an infant compared to Linux even if it is running a branch of Linux. It still hasn't been optimized to run on all the hardware that is currently being produced.
I'm willing to bet that if you could get android running on that board, it would be horribly laggy.
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d3athsd00r said:
Exactly what I thought when i saw it. They say the GPU can outperform the Tegra2. But my opinion on why it runs so well is because it is running Linux, which has been heavily optimized throughout the years. Android is still an infant compared to Linux even if it is running a branch of Linux. It still hasn't been optimized to run on all the hardware that is currently being produced.
I'm willing to bet that if you could get android running on that board, it would be horribly laggy.
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+1. android would lag the **** out of it. It would use 80% of the ram for itself.
Raspberry Pi looks very cool. My co-worker wants one, A lot of the improvements to linux that makes it faster today then just a few years ago really is in the Kernel. 2.6.32 is a rather old Kernel. There are speed improvements scheduling improvements and ext4 support that comes later. all those would improve android a lot.
The other problem comes though that most of android runs in Devik (spelling?) or in Java. naturally it's going to be slow, and that alone uses much of the ram on our phones. (though I'm glad ours has a GB worth, which it had to for webtop's sake)
If more of android ran natively it would be better.
I can't wait to see what the community does though with these neat little Raspberry Pies. (how are they meant to be plural?)
I have been watching these for at least the last 6 months. I am going to pick up a couple and have a few projects in mind. The first one will be a portable media center that will access my server at home. Going to attempt to tether with my phone for internet connection and then use a rii Bluetooth remote. Then I just have to carry a remote, hdmi cable, and the pi and have a full fledged xbmc anytime I travel. Have a few other ideas but going to see how that works first.
These are a great idea and plan on donating one for everyone i buy and hope you all do also. Just think of what this can teach kids and what they will be able to do when they get in their teenage years growing up with something like this.
double post..
I plan to buy one too for the XBMC function. Going to be a killer device when it's hooked up with my NAS. I think this wireless mini keyboard will play well in this scenario: http://www.amazon.com/Palm-Sized-Wireless-Keyboard-Multi-Touch-Touchpad/dp/B004XY6LO8
http://www.amazon.com/Rii-Wireless-Keyboard-Multimedia-Handheld/dp/B004716NFE/ref=pd_vtp_e_4
This is the one I use with my home xbmc setup and it works great. going with BlueTooth for the PI. Took a week or so getting used to the touch-pad but now I can go around and do everything I need without even looking at it. Ultimate would be that with ir basic control on the back that I could do basic controls for my plasma and receiver. But cant have everything. LOL
After I get the media center going I am going to work on a in-car cpu. Would like a touch screen, gps, basic surfing, and media center that I can get to work with the stereo. Google music in the car! We will see how that goes though, that will be way beyond my capabilities but that is a project to learn something on.
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I just came across this website. It's a $35 SoC system with a ARMv6 cpu and 256M RAM. The demo shows it plays 1080p H.264 video, XBMC, even Quake III well! Comparing its hardware with Atrix, I can't imagine how much processing power was wasted in Atrix.
http://www.raspberrypi.org/
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In my opinion on why it runs so well is because it is running Linux, which has been heavily optimized throughout the years.

Bluetooth 4.0

Hi!
Quick question.
Is there any way you can check whether N7 has got the latest bluetooth? Meaning, the latest N7s have bluetooth 4.0 (Low energy, Smart, whatever they call it)
I was thinking maybe you can look up S/N in store and be sure you got it before purchase.
I really need BT4.0 for my sport equipment.
Cheers!
You're in luck Mr. Damon! You'll soon be working on that impeccable physique with this gem of a tablet strapped to your torso!
Its wifi also takes up a ridiculously low amount of power btw (same chip).
If you mean Bluetooth Smart (aka Bluetooth Low Energy), the Nexus 7 does *NOT* have built-in support for it.
If you want to see support for it, go here, log in w/ your google account and click on the Star at the upper left to make it more important:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=33371
iOS and WP8 both have OS support for it (the GATT BT API). Android Jelly Bean does not
Hush man, you're scaring away Matt Damon! Geez... It's not like he would've noticed anyway. Now next time we'll see him on tv holding some iCrap -.-
Besides, the N7 hardware more than supports BTLE, it's only a matter of time before an update enables it.
LOL. The real Matt Damon is from Boston
Yep, I know the N7 hardware supports BTLE, but as of now, there's no support for it
Even the popular Samsung S3 has no software support for it
And HTC devices don't (same issue as S3...even w/ the 3rd party broadcom-le library, a shared library that has to be provided by the manufacturer is missing).
AFAIK, only a subset of Motorola devices do (mostly their RAZR ones).
I've been digging for a while tonight...got a bluetooth LE heart rate monitor today and went digging for why it couldn't be seen by my S3 and ended up checking my N7 too

[Angry] Multitasking on Android is totally rubbish!

This is just so annoying.
I was playing a game on FPSE during the lunch break. At 13:30, back to work, did not have the opportunity to save my game. Nevermind, I just put the telephone on screen saver / lock screen so that I can continue later, after the work.
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Meanwhile I received a text. Fine, I can read it and possibly answer to it... Android is supposed to hadle multitask rather well after all.
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Pwned.
After texting, back to FPSE, just to check and make sure that it's still on... Just to notice that the app has been killed by Android...
This is sooo annoying. It's supposed to be mobile phone specialized in gaming. You should be able to interrupt your game to answer a call or a message!!!
I previously owned a Nokia N8 Powered by Symbian^3. It was much much more efficient. Could lauch many apps without worrying of the multitaking. Apps where running in the background, not simply killed by the OS...
Any similar experience to share guys? (or solution, but I doubt there is any...)
What you are experiencing is the brilliant idea of putting a small amount of ram into a android gaming phone (well thought out, Sony). When the ram is low and another app needs to use that ram, Android will automatically kill another app to claim free ram. The problem Android has is it uses Java as the base programming language. The problem with Java is it is a resource hog and totally steals as much ram as possible...see the problem yet? Also, the problem Sony has is that they are stupid.
And now for the reasons. Google choose Java as the base because of its popularity and ease of use for noobs at programming, which is also why there are so many bad apps in the Google Market compared to the iphone. While this was a smart choice for Google at the time to help accelerate their market growth to help catch up with the ios market, it's now a problem they'll always have as a consequence to that choice. To counter this problem of having a horrible base program language android phones constantly needs to have ridiculous specs in order to have comparable performance to the iphone (quad core, gig of ram, phones anyone?).
So there you have it, the core and unavoidable problem with Android. An operating system so inefficient that it warrants quad cores with close to pc specs (That is amazingly bad). So bad that they must've been really high when the folks at Sony thought it was a good idea that a GAMING phone would only need a single core with crap ram. Well played.
So what you are saying is, the entire Android platform is garbage because you made that decision with a garbage phone? Try multitasking on the SG3, then come back. Or, go deal with the fake multitasking of iOS.
you can try supercharger, n use multitasking choice, that's the best multitasking option that i ever try, altough it will makes your free RAM under 70 MB, but multitasking is very great....
DubleJayJ said:
So what you are saying is, the entire Android platform is garbage because you made that decision with a garbage phone? Try multitasking on the SG3, then come back. Or, go deal with the fake multitasking of iOS.
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All I'm saying is Android is inefficient. This is generally known and Google has been constantly criticized because of it. Going back to my point, this is why manufactures are pushing out quads on their phones.
@cityhunter62
@coreyon
So, why are you even here?
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So, why are you even here?
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I provided information on the problem...? I think a better question would be why are YOU here? You didn't provide anything on this thread.
just wonder if V6 supercharger bulletproof app might help?
Tje great thing about android is that normally there is an app for whatevet you need or a flashable zip or a script ect so it just takes a quick search and abitta time and you could be tip top and there's allways the quick save feature in fpse
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So, why are you even here?
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Coreyon answered to my question and I thank him for that. Now I understand why multitasking does not work on Android, or at least on Android phones with few ram. Still, N8 had 256mb ram but handled multitasking perfectly.
Anyway, mathacer and foryou168 gave some advices that might be helpful. I had some answers, that was the point of this thread...
I'm sure I'm not the only one who experienced that kind of problem...
coreyon said:
All I'm saying is Android is inefficient. This is generally known and Google has been constantly criticized because of it. Going back to my point, this is why manufactures are pushing out quads on their phones.
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Inefficient because it ran out of RAM? OEM's are pushing for quads because the software and Linux foundation is the most advanced out there. No other mobile is has such supreme multitasking and such a myriad of emulation apps.
Enable zRAM or use a swap partition if you expect this low-RAM device to keep a 32-bit-era console emulator in the background while doing phone functions.
Or get a tablet for gaming. Its still just a smartphone dude.
Or get an iPhone.
Or learn development and help the "horrible android" to be better.
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Just don't say that android is rubbish,.. it's awesome.. And it's open.. we can customize our phone to our need... that's make it different..
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Android is insufficient, but on my Galaxy S3 samsungs multitasking is absolutely terrible for 1GB, but now once I flashed the Multitaskingfix I have to say its like multitasking on a 2GB android device, I love it! and in the latest leak (with Multi view, etc) XXELK4 4.1.2 the ram used is almost half of what is used on 4.1.1, Love you samsung! can't say that about Sony, but Xperia play will always be with me until I get use to Touch screen gaming.
For everyone that somehow got offended when I said Android is inefficient, please read on. Android IS inefficient, but that does not mean it's a bad operating system. I personally use it myself. It's certainly better than ios with Apples lockdown. The great positives of Android is that it uses the Linux kernel which is very advanced, and the entire operating system itself is very customizable (partly thanks to java it self).
Now with that said, like I've mentioned I don't know how many times now, it will always have a problem as apps and games become more and more advanced; there will always be the new apps that pushes the hardware to a new level and with the Android overhead will cause it to be slower than it could be. A good example of this is how Minecraft (with its amazingly bad graphics) on the PC needs Crysis-like specs to play with good fps on a PC. That's ridiculous, and it's because the game runs in Java. I know there is Minecraft for Android, but let's be honest it's a very very small map that barely has any of the pc gameplay, otherwise the phone would explode. However, just like Android, even with Minecraft's horrible lag issues it is still an awesome game, and is very easy to customize the game which is also very awesome. Does everyone understand my point now?
CosmicDan said:
Or learn development and help the "horrible android" to be better.
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I AM a developer, and I have had the pleasure of struggling with Java's limitation on a multiple array of platforms. I do know what I'm talking about, it's a well known issue.
I'm personally suprised Java is still alive
Thought it would have died years ago because java programs would be slow as molasses/bog down any PC.
So I'm surprised it actually runs decently on phones... tho the phones are more powerful than PCs from a few years ago lol
And yeah, its' the same old cycle.
Software always gets bloated as hardware specs increase so it's tough to get ahead - kinda like how inflation negates pay raises
coreyon said:
I AM a developer, and I have had the pleasure of struggling with Java's limitation on a multiple array of platforms. I do know what I'm talking about, it's a well known issue.
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I can agree from my experience with Java software, especially the security concerns. I heard a saying: hell is a world where Java is the only programming language. I'm more annoyed by Google trying to do things different and separating itself from Linux standard.
I have to say you are very lucky to present your thoughts here, if this was a Nexus forum all hell would break loose. The Nexus fanboys are relentless.
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eksasol said:
I can agree from my experience with Java software, especially the security concerns. I heard a saying: hell is a world where Java is the only programming language. I'm more annoyed by Google trying to do things different and separating itself from Linux standard.
I have to say you are very lucky to present your thoughts here, if this was a Nexus forum all hell would break loose. The Nexus fanboys are relentless.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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Aha, I should've made a thread for this. This went way off topic from the original purpose of the thread.
JAVA OS?
I thought IOS apps were Java also?
Either way, they have similar "multitasking", except that the programmer can control how an Android app "moves through the states" (ie. from pause when its in background to being killed) so if the FPSE programmers took advantage of the power of Android OS, they could have set the game to do a save as it was killed...
In fact, Android AUTOMATICALLY dumps some of the programs memory when killed involuntarily (the OS needs more RAM) so really, all the programmer needs to do is check to see if there is a bundle already there when the programs oncreate() is (re)called - if so, then resume!
developer[dot]android[dot]com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/recreating.html
For the record I hate Java, and more so - ECLIPSE (Java IDE that was also itself made in Java) makes me want to shoot myself in the face whilst listening to Enya and letting spiders crawl on my testicles.
Hicsy said:
I thought IOS apps were Java also?
Either way, they have similar "multitasking", except that the programmer can control how an Android app "moves through the states" (ie. from pause when its in background to being killed) so if the FPSE programmers took advantage of the power of Android OS, they could have set the game to do a save as it was killed...
In fact, Android AUTOMATICALLY dumps some of the programs memory when killed involuntarily (the OS needs more RAM) so really, all the programmer needs to do is check to see if there is a bundle already there when the programs oncreate() is (re)called - if so, then resume!
developer[dot]android[dot]com/training/basics/activity-lifecycle/recreating.html
For the record I hate Java, and more so - ECLIPSE (Java IDE that was also itself made in Java) makes me want to shoot myself in the face whilst listening to Enya and letting spiders crawl on my testicles.
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I don't touch ios even with a 50 foot pole, but I'm pretty sure ios apps don't use Java. Even if they did, the core operating system doesn't, and that's enough to make a huge impact difference in performance.
I heard about some developer porting Android to C+. By passing all those legal issues with Microsoft, if Android ran on C+ wouldn't it fix all the lag much like Project Butter has and evidently fixed the incredible RAM usage by the device?

[Q] Porting Android Wear to old phone

Is it possible to port Android wear to an old phone (sgs 1) to use as a smart watch and get updates over the bt connection?
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c-pimp said:
Is it possible to port Android wear to an old phone (sgs 1) to use as a smart watch and get updates over the bt connection?
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If the device has Bluetooth LE and the right specs it's quite possible. The wear devices run a form of android on the same type of hardware as cell phones and tablets (the LG G Watch, for example, has a Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 and 512MB of RAM inside).
However, it really depends on when the full Android Wear source is released and whether someone is interested enough to try porting it over. With the always-on display mode the battery life will probably be very, very poor.
c-pimp said:
Is it possible to port Android wear to an old phone (sgs 1) to use as a smart watch and get updates over the bt connection?
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Wowwwwwwwwwwwwww
Misho.20123 said:
Wowwwwwwwwwwwwww
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Don't judge, (s)he may have a very good reason for wanting to do this, i.e. to learn more about how the Wear os runs on different shaped screens or to build one device into a dashboard for the car.
This is actually starting to sound fun now that I start to think about it.
I will try to port it!
jefftheworld said:
If the device has Bluetooth LE and the right specs it's quite possible. The wear devices run a form of android on the same type of hardware as cell phones and tablets (the LG G Watch, for example, has a Qualcomm Snapdragon 400 and 512MB of RAM inside).
However, it really depends on when the full Android Wear source is released and whether someone is interested enough to try porting it over. With the always-on display mode the battery life will probably be very, very poor.
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I will try to port it to htc chacha as long as the sources comes out..
tsukisan said:
Don't judge, (s)he may have a very good reason for wanting to do this, i.e. to learn more about how the Wear os runs on different shaped screens or to build one device into a dashboard for the car.
This is actually starting to sound fun now that I start to think about it.
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I've got two Sprint Samsung Galaxy Nexus phones (I'm a tech for Sprint, they don't fetch much money on buyback, and all my co-workers know I love the Nexus phones).
With AMOLED screens, those could be put to some great use with a Wear like system.
great idea
its a very great idea because i got x10 mini and i just want to install Android wear into it.
small phone + Wear interface = nice combo
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So does anyone have a solution? I have an ALPS K8 Android Phone Watch (not a smartwatch, a phone on my wrist, not really that good), but if I can get it to run Android Wear, then it would be very useful.
I read somewhere that its possible to flash a custom ROM, to get Wear to run over the existing Android distribution, but I can't find a suitable ROM to flash it into.
Please help.
I was never able to find any solution, sorry.
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i´m sorry for my ignorance, but
what happens if i flash android wear stock system on an old phone ?
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I will try to port it to htc chacha as long as the sources comes out..
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Has your port been working successful? Then i have a Domino DM368 Android 5.1 smartwatch... I want to install Android wear, Because stock standalone android system sucks at all on these watches
gioele 1334 said:
Has your port been working successful? Then i have a Domino DM368 Android 5.1 smartwatch... I want to install Android wear, Because stock standalone android system sucks at all on these watches
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I also bought the same watch, DM368, please also let me know about rooting the watch and making it compatable to android wear...

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