Hi,
A few days ago i bought an Orange SPV M2000 (the big PDA sized phone by Orange in the UK). It was £150 ($250) more than the M500 (also know as the Magician), so when i managed to sucessfully create a bluetooth LAN connection on the M2000 and run Skype over it, i decided the extra £150 spent for the Wifi feature was a waste of money so i took it back and got a M500 / Magician instead.
However the M500 doesn't seem to have all the standard bluetooth features. Most noticably the Bluetooth Connection wizard needed to create a bluetooth LAN Connection. The wizard is part of the Bluetooth Manager software.
Does the M500 have a cut down version of the M2000's Windows Mobile software?
Is the M500's bluetooth not capable of a LAN connection?
If I install the latest BigStorage ROM, will it give me the Bluetooth Manager software?
I've attached 2 images of the M2000's Bluetooth Manager software which seems to be missing from my M500.
Any help would be much appreciated?
Neil
the magician uses microsoft's bluetooth stack which is not as good as the widcomm/broadcomm stack found on your other phone, i think there is still a way to connect to a bluetooth lan but you will have to do some searching on the forum.
or
you could by the cheap wifi card from ebuyer like many magician users have and use wifi.
good luck
Rob
Thanks Rob for the suggestion of using Wifi, but if i use the SD slot for a Wifi card, it won't be free for an extra Memory card.
I've had a look around on the forums and haven't been able to find a solution for this yet. Can the widcomm / broadcomm stack be installed into the magician?
If anyone has any other solutions please let me know. Is the M500 / Magician cut down in any other ways? My M500 is still within its 14 day return period so if its not capable of running most Windows Mobile 2003 software i'd rather get my money back.
Bluetooth:
You don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection.
You need to create a virtual serial (com) port with your bluetooth dongle on your PC. Eg Port 7.
Get that set up, then set activesync settings to search the serial port as a connection.
Then on your Magician go to Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Click the bottom two boxes, and then click the middle button "start button to setup".
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Next open up Activesync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your activesync), you can use skype.
WIFI:
Bigstorage rom will not change your PPC stack; its exactly the same rom as your original, but with more "Storage" memory. However, I use this, copy any Net only apps to my "storage" and can then pop out my SD Card, put in my wifi, and still have access to all my net apps + wifi. I don't use storage for anything else. Wifi is faster than Bluetooth, but both methods work.
Options:
Have a look for the Blue Soleil threads - this is the Bluetooth stack i use on my PC, but you don't need it. It doesn't do much more than you can do now, and certainly not to apply the above info.
V
Thanks for the reply vijay555,
i too am using the IVT BlueSoleil bluetooth software. Downloaded the latest eval version from their site.
After following your instructions its still not working, but it appears to be almost there. I'll explain what i've done.
In BlueSoleil bluetooth propertiesi've turned Serial Port A (port 6) off and left SerialPort B (port 7) on. All the other services are on their defaults.
I right click the tray icon and exit it. then restart t make sure the services take on the new settings. (must be an easier way to reset services).
I open ActiveSyncs "Connection Settings" and if i select Com7 the Status reads: Com port is not available.
All your PPC side instructions seem to work, but of course it fails to sync with ActiveSync.
Any idea why the virtual port isn't being seen as working? I'm using Active Sync 3.8 & BlueSoleil 1.6.1.4
Thanks Neil
i have nothing to say that helps you further, but just wanted to say that i've had such a hard time doing anything via bluetooth on this phone that its extremely disappointing. after a slew of ipaqs, this is so counter-intuitive and i can't get nothing working via bluetooth, most notably GPRS with a laptop.
sucks....and i feel for ya
futurity- I think for some reason I decided to use the WIDCOMM bluetooth software on my PC. It was a LOT of work, so many reboots and required a safe-mode hack, but supposedly better. From memory, the bluesoleil looked much nicer. There's no reason why a simple serial port shouldn't work.
Try on your PC checking My computer > (right click) properties > device manager > com ports to ensure either Com port 7 is on, activated, or being used by something else.
Try changing to com port 6?
If you double click on the serial port in bluesoleil I presume you get properties showing it's available and ready for use?
Bluetooth does work, and for me: I live in a block of flats and I've got the wifi card, which is painless (although it had problems, described elsewhere on the board!). However, I've got 3 wifi signals inteferring from neighbours and I can't get online from one room away from my router. But the bluetooth signal works for about 10m, through walls and doors, so for me it's a cheap and easy solution. The hardest bit was setting up WIDCOMM, so I only recommend it if you like going to the dentist.
Reply if you sorted it/having troubles.
V
Got it working using Windows XP im built Bluetooth drivers
Hi chaps,
Got it working using Windows XP im built Bluetooth drivers. My setup procedure is still flaky though so I aim to sort it out on a clean machine until i perfect it. Only draw back is that you have to log into a user accout in order to use the Bluetooth / Activesync internet access option.
I'll most likely make the next postin gon Tuesday.
Regards
Neil
Ok, I've finally had time to get the sequence perfected after setting this up about 10 times (most of them failures).
Here is the working procedure, based heavily on the previous posted procedure with some more detailed instructions that worked for me.
PC Bluetooth:
First off you don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection in order to get LAN or Internet access. We're setting up Internet access via the ActiveSync Proxy.
Install your Bluetooth interface into your PC (for me i just plugged in my Bluetooth USB dongle and it installed using XP drivers, but you may need to install specific software).
On your PC task bar (bottom right next to the time) click on the blue Bluetooth icon (called Bluetooth devices on my PC)
Select "COM Ports", then add, then select "Incoming (device initiates the connection)" then OK. This creates an inbound connection that the Magician can use to talk to the ActiveSync Program.
Note the COM port number of the newly created COM port.
PC ActiveSync:
Open ActiveSync
Select File->Connection Settings
Select the "Allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port:" and select the port number that you just created.
Magician Bluetooth:
Select Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Select the "Inbound COM port:" box.
Then Select the "Outbound COM port:" box. If it asks you to select a device providing a serial interface, click ok,
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth. but for now close this window by clicking the top right "ok" to close the window. i.e. don't select a new device quite yet.
The Bluetooth settings page should now reappear.
Now press the "Start" button in the middle of the page. Press ok to accept the prompt to select a device providing a serial activesync interface.
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth again.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Magician Active Sync:
Next open up ActiveSync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, or use MSN Messenger, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your ActiveSync), you can use skype, X-ten Softphone, PocketIRC, etc.
If you have any problems, send me a private message and i'll try and talk you trough it.
Thanks futurity!
It was so satisfying when I got it working finally, and then I still went back to wifi
Very useful info, keep a copy on my PDA.
V
If you have bluetooth LAN connection doesn't that mean you can also access network shares? I don't think that is possible through active sync...
Just curious
Si
Yepp, that's amost the only difference, besides that you need ActiveSync for Internet access and not only a standard bluetooth stack capable of doing it.
One remark on the detailed setup list from futurity: If the device is already paired with the PC you want to sync with, you have to (after pressing the start button in the bluetooth settings) re-pair the devices. I'm also always deleting an existing partnership with the PC but I'm not sure wether this is neccessary or not. This procedure ist very annoying when you often switch between PCs. I was told that the Freeware PocketMultiPartnershipSync helps for that but it didn't quite work for me.
What is concerning using the GPRS modem over the Magician, I was writing some detailed walkthroughs for that in the forum. You basically need to set up AT strings in your Modem settings to set up the APN of your provider. I also experienced that it sometimes didn't work, maybe due to the installed radio version on my device. I was successful with the Radio 1.13 installed, so try that.
Mudstuffin said:
If you have bluetooth LAN connection doesn't that mean you can also access network shares? I don't think that is possible through active sync...
Just curious
Si
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The Orange M500 has the Microsoft (M$) Bluetooth stack so making a LAN connection isn't an option for me.
This is what i did:
If you have any COM port used by your other stuffs, I suggest delete them, and change to other port. Basically, Windows mobile use this port as their default:
Incoming Port : COM4
Outgoing Port: COM5
therefore make this on your computer:
Bluetooth Port COM3
Communication Port COM4
Communication Port COM5
and then set your Activesync to detect COM3
Now you can use Activesync + other thing you may need for LAN
futurity said:
Ok, I've finally had time to get the sequence perfected after setting this up about 10 times (most of them failures).
Here is the working procedure, based heavily on the previous posted procedure with some more detailed instructions that worked for me.
PC Bluetooth:
First off you don't need to create a bluetooth lan connection in order to get LAN or Internet access. We're setting up Internet access via the ActiveSync Proxy.
Install your Bluetooth interface into your PC (for me i just plugged in my Bluetooth USB dongle and it installed using XP drivers, but you may need to install specific software).
On your PC task bar (bottom right next to the time) click on the blue Bluetooth icon (called Bluetooth devices on my PC)
Select "COM Ports", then add, then select "Incoming (device initiates the connection)" then OK. This creates an inbound connection that the Magician can use to talk to the ActiveSync Program.
Note the COM port number of the newly created COM port.
PC ActiveSync:
Open ActiveSync
Select File->Connection Settings
Select the "Allow serial cable or infrared connection to this COM port:" and select the port number that you just created.
Magician Bluetooth:
Select Start > Settings > System > Bluetooth settings.
Select the "Inbound COM port:" box.
Then Select the "Outbound COM port:" box. If it asks you to select a device providing a serial interface, click ok,
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth. but for now close this window by clicking the top right "ok" to close the window. i.e. don't select a new device quite yet.
The Bluetooth settings page should now reappear.
Now press the "Start" button in the middle of the page. Press ok to accept the prompt to select a device providing a serial activesync interface.
Then this will take you to Start > Settings > Connections > Bluetooth again.
Here click on Turn on blueooth, make device discoverable, then tab "Devices", search for a new device (ie your pc), create a bond, set up a passcode (0000 etc), your pc should then show a balloon to say your phone is trying to make a connection and requires a pin. Set that Pin to 0000. Your phone should now bond with the PC.
Magician Active Sync:
Next open up ActiveSync on your PPC, and click Tools menu, Connect via bluetooth.
Hopefully, all being well, you should now connect to your pc via bluetooth.
You should be able to browse the internet, or use MSN Messenger, and if you can do that (if on your PC you've got internet pass thru on your ActiveSync), you can use skype, X-ten Softphone, PocketIRC, etc.
If you have any problems, send me a private message and i'll try and talk you trough it.
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worked perfectly
I've managed through pain and misery to get Activesync to work through bluetooth (not easy with widcomm stacks as drivers).
When my PC boots up, Activesync (PC) will complain that the bluetooth COM port isn't connected (obviously because my phone isn't connected through bluetooth 24/7)
So everytime I reboot my PC, I have to re-check the COM port connection in the connection options (PC) to make Activesync listen to my bluetooth COM.
Any suggestions?
Also, I know that when my phone is connected via USB, my phone will gain access to the internet (My PC has the internet connection and shares it to the phone). With bluetooth I havent been able to get this to work. Yet both USB & bluetooth work through Activesync. Is there something Im missing?
Thnx! I hope this isn't too specific/complicated like question
I used to have some of the same problems. What I found that usually it was 2 things causing it.
1. Activesync - Installation or Configuration
2. BT Software - Installation, Configuration or Need BT Software upgrade
What fixed my issue was 2 fold: activesync settings & needed to upgrade my dongle's software.
Activesync: When I installed 4.5 it setup a network connection that kept running in. And when I started up my PC I could see the icon running in my sys-tray (and would have troubles on and off again either with bluetooth / USB sync. What I found that worked for activesync was uninstall and make sure you check off allow wireless activesync connection. I've also found it likes to use com 3 for BT activesync.
BT Dongle: I have Motorola PC850 dongle and found that there was a great new BT Stack update that would hold the settings even if I turned my PC off for weeks at a time or removed the dongle to somewhere else. Plus it fixed the issue I had with using my BT stereo headset, to listen to music with out pops and skips. Oh In your BT settings make sure that com 3 or what ever your using is the same as activesync
Hope I can test those few tweaks.
However, after connecting my phone to activesync by USB, now my phone won't even connect by bluetooth to my PC anymore.
STUPID STUPID bluetooth stacks
I can't seem to connect to my stock my PC (via PDANet using bluetooth DUN) or my Lenovo K1 tablet (when I click on the wrench there are no profiles) to my stock Fascinate. Does the phone lack the right profile to allow tethering via bluetooth?
USB tethering seems to work well using a modified version of Azilink, which is what I've been using to tether my PC, but I'd like to find a way to tether from my tablet...
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks!
Hi... I manage to connect my K1 to my Nokia C2-01 bluetooth and using its 3G network for internet access...
but you will have to root your android...
1. root your android from here: rootzwiki.com/topic/13407-romhc321-ideapad-k1-rooted-cwm-14-14-120109-us-build
2. go to market and install nc color bluetooth tether here: play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=earlmagnus.nctether&hl=en
3. pair your phone to your tablet...it will show in setting pair but not connected, ignore it.
reboot your tablet and click on the nc color widget, it will request for superuser access, grant it and you are good to go, if still cannot, reboot your tablet again.
it works on my configuration, I hope it works on yours... try it.