Hi everyone,
I purchased a second hand Note 3 N9005 recently and have managed to trip the Knox flag to 0x1. Now from everything im reading i think i can come to the following conclusions:
1.It MAY affect Samsung warranty repairs as i have seen some people have their phones fixed and some sent back (I dont have any warranty anyway as the phone is second hand)
2. It WONT affect me updating to any other ROMS moving forward? whether Custom or official with KNOX.
3. I cant use the KNOX App that comes on the Note 3
4. I CAN use the built in OTA software update on the ROM if it is stock and device status is official.
The main thing im concerned with is updating in the future to stock roms - are there any issues with this that we know of? As i cant find information directly linked to that query.
Am i correct in these 4 conclusions?
Are there any other benefits of having Xnox 0x0 over 0x1 that i have missed?
Thanks
All you said is correct.
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Hello!
I would like to hear yours and our DEVS opinion on the subject.
There are lot of ppl got MJ7 or later with OTA or even bought phones with MJ7 or later already.
So, what do you think - which is most likely to happen:
a) DEVS will find new exploit so we can have root with >=MJ7 with knox 0x0?
b) DEVS will find a way to reset all counters including knox to 0x0 so we can UNROOT and UNKNOX (new term (c) me :silly before warranty repair?
JugglerLKR said:
Hello!
I would like to hear yours and our DEVS opinion on the subject.
There are lot of ppl got MJ7 or later with OTA or even bought phones with MJ7 or later already.
So, what do you think - which is most likely to happen:
a) DEVS will find new exploit so we can have root with >=MJ7 with knox 0x0?
b) DEVS will find a way to reset all counters including knox to 0x0 so we can UNROOT and UNKNOX (new term (c) me :silly before warranty repair?
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Unknox has been used since they started working with KNOX and trying to zero it.
Of course we're waiting for both, I have rooted my phone since I have a perfect device. If I ever need to replace something I'll do it myself (mostly hardware since there are a lot of replacement units out there). What will happen first is developers will get a way to not trigger the KNOX counter before finding a way to zero it.
Interested as well.
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I purchased a used unlocked SM-N900T on ebay and it has a Tripped Knox 0x1 flag. It appears to be running stock t-mobile 4.3 rom.
It seems to have a clean imei.
I am using it on Straight Talk on ATT network and its functioning properly (can make and receive calls/texts/data)
I don't care about warranty.
It is my personal phone so no need to worry about corporate Knox policies.
Should i care that the Knox is tripped? Will any other features be disabled that i havent noticed yet?
Can i still upgrade to 4.4.2 (and if so which rom/upgrade method should i be using or should i wait)?
Thanks very much in advance.
no
im pretty sure it does not cause any other probelms with ur device besides the warranty mine has been like that for a while and i have no problems with it
but not 100% sure it could affect somet5hing just havent nioticed yet
MatthewS413 said:
I purchased a used unlocked SM-N900T on ebay and it has a Tripped Knox 0x1 flag. It appears to be running stock t-mobile 4.3 rom.
It seems to have a clean imei.
I am using it on Straight Talk on ATT network and its functioning properly (can make and receive calls/texts/data)
I don't care about warranty.
It is my personal phone so no need to worry about corporate Knox policies.
Should i care that the Knox is tripped? Will any other features be disabled that i havent noticed yet?
Can i still upgrade to 4.4.2 (and if so which rom/upgrade method should i be using or should i wait)?
Thanks very much in advance.
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The N900T has a separate forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-tmobile
The only other thing that MIGHT be disabled is some stuff related to protected media (or streaming protected media). If you are rooted it might also have problems with specific programs (for instance many banking programs) that specifically check for root - but for most of those there is now a workaround.
I do not know if N900T has an official 4.4.2 - I would certainly suggest waiting for that one first - see more details in the T-specific forum!
I rooted my note 3 n9000q via cf-auto root then when i take my phone download mode i saw warranty bit is 1 if i download stock rom does my phone show warranty 1 ?
Also can you help me about downloading rom specially dr ketans rom i heard i can use roms for sm-n900 is it true
Lastly sorry for my english
batusenn said:
I rooted my note 3 n9000q via cf-auto root then when i take my phone download mode i saw warranty bit is 1 if i download stock rom does my phone show warranty 1 ?
Also can you help me about downloading rom specially dr ketans rom i heard i can use roms for sm-n900 is it true
Lastly sorry for my english
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1) No. Once it's been set, you cannot reverse it (as of now).
2) Don't know, sorry.
3) You're English was good enough to get your point across. ^-^
batusenn said:
I rooted my note 3 n9000q via cf-auto root then when i take my phone download mode i saw warranty bit is 1 if i download stock rom does my phone show warranty 1 ?
Also can you help me about downloading rom specially dr ketans rom i heard i can use roms for sm-n900 is it true
Lastly sorry for my english
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Your warranty bit is 1 forever unless we find out how to reset. Flashing stock rom won't fix...
On the note 3 if your talking about knox counter then you can't
However the warranty bit not sure about see if triangle away resets this
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Knox Warranty Bit: 1 or 0x1
This mean that the Samsung System Security KNOX is not secure to work on 2x1 Phones on one. For You and for Your work on Enterprises, Governments an more (if You work on them).
See this: https://www.samsungknox.com/en/overview/technical-details
Quote: I think that's why this technology has been approved by the Ministry of Defense USA. (If flag 0x0 my opinion).
Samsung KNOX protects its operating system using SE for Android, which is built on the SELinux technology developed by NSA. (And not protect if flag 0x1, my opinion).
Read this: http://linux.die.net/man/8/selinux
Then, this is first of all the warranty from Knox Security, not for our personal warranty. On still discuss about.
That technical-details was censured by Samsung, may be. Read this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47587340&postcount=290
ValenteL said:
Knox Warranty Bit: 1 or 0x1
Then, this is first of all the warranty from Knox Security, not for our personal warranty. On still discuss about.
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This statement isn't true... Samsung have declared that due to using unapproved software the hardware has been damaged (technically true, however Samsung has done this) so therefore Warranty will not be honored...
Certain countries can debate this due to their consumer laws but generally it's up to the guy who's repairing to enforce warranty or not...
Firstly thanks everyone
Im not sure triangle away is harmony for my phone
Turkish model doesnt have knox you should know
But the worst thing is when i look something for my phone everything is for sm-n9005
If hackers want information about our phones i can send you whatever you want
Warranty bit must be 0 in my phone and my turkish friends wait something for us
I have been searching for this answer for sometime.
Not sure where else I can look for, but I really want to know what happen (besides warranty issue) after knox trigger.
Is there anything that will happen to the phone beside the 0x0 and 0x1?
Can I still use VPN?
Can I still encrypt my sdcard and internal storage?
Basically, I need to know what is the difference between a triggered Note 3 and a non triggered Note 3.
Sorry if there is another post on this out there cause I really can't find it.
Thank you all in advance.
siregorash said:
I have been searching for this answer for sometime.
Not sure where else I can look for, but I really want to know what happen (besides warranty issue) after knox trigger.
Is there anything that will happen to the phone beside the 0x0 and 0x1?
Can I still use VPN?
Can I still encrypt my sdcard and internal storage?
Basically, I need to know what is the difference between a triggered Note 3 and a non triggered Note 3.
Sorry if there is another post on this out there cause I really can't find it.
Thank you all in advance.
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im not an expert but as far as i know you wont get ota updates or be able to use knox
i recently trigged knox and truth be told ... im having way too much fun with my note 3 n9005 and its getting way better ....
u can do more things if u installed a custom recovery and a kernel ... just read more threads about note 3 kernels and what they can do
note : flashing custom recovery or kernel will trip knox
3azmeo said:
im not an expert but as far as i know you wont get ota updates or be able to use knox
i recently trigged knox and truth be told ... im having way too much fun with my note 3 n9005 and its getting way better ....
u can do more things if u installed a custom recovery and a kernel ... just read more threads about note 3 kernels and what they can do
note : flashing custom recovery or kernel will trip knox
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I still own a S2 and I used to heavily mod it. I understand the feeling of rooting and not able to root.
I just want to know what is the difference between triggered and non triggered Note 3.
I am not sure why everyone is so worried about the warranty and how to fix the triggered flag.
I actually don't give a beep about the warranty and how to fix the flag.
As long as it doesn't affect the STOCK ANDROID functions (eg. VPN, sdcard encryption, internal storage encryption), I will be pretty fine with it.
The problem is, I am not able to find detailed explanation on what will happen to the phone after knox triggered.
Only affect is that you won't be able to use knox container anymore. Knox is a seperate enviroment to run your knox enabled apps. You still be able to get F/OTA updates and it DOES NOT void your device warranty.
NOTHING!! Despite Samdungs insistence that your warranty is void, your phone will be liberated!!
To me, this is a **** up by Samdung by alienating a large number of customers who, like myself, will NOT be buying another samsung after being a loyal customer for years!!
All manufacturers seem to be throwing some kind of spanner in the works for us who enjoy using our phones to their full potential.
Thank you guys so much for explaining.
Hello all,
I searched the forums round and round, and couldn't find my answers so I hope you will be able to help me out.
i'm looking for a new phone and decided I want to go with the S5. that was before i learned about KNOX and it's wonderful ways.
i'm a heavy modder, who will most definitely use a custom recovery and ROM/kernel.
my questions are:
1. would it be possible to flash a custom recovery / rom / kernel / modem despite KNOX being preset?
2. other then getting this 0x1 and voiding my official warranty, are there any other result to this? will something not work?
3. assuming I get an unlocked international phone, is there any need to mess/change my FW? or is that just part of guides for rooting without tripping KNOX ?
Basically, I want to be sure that I could do whatever I want to the phone without getting stuck or turning it unusable because of KNOX. my current phone is a Nexus 4 and it has been heaven. I want to preserve this feeling
thanks for the help guys, appreciate it!
Did you tried Towelroot method for rooting your device? I heard that doesn't trigger knox..
I would imagine my rooting the phone is the least of my worries.
as far as I know - and this is one of my questions - flashing a custom recovery and or rom will 100% trip KNOX.
not that I care, I just need to know if this is true..and my other questions as well
thanks!
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
I've heard tales of people having issues flashing modems when knox is triggered. I have not checked that out for myself Joe have I searched any further into the matter.
I plan on breaking knox soon though because screw knox.
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chainbr3ak said:
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
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This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
Amornik said:
This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
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You can, but you will always have problems like network, connection,calls, bugs and so on
Samsung devices do not provide the old pleasure as previously
Knox killed freedom of developers and people who like customizations
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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No, KNOX tripping is only at the moment a warranty void solution for samsung. its like the flash count flags.
basically if you trip knox. you're already in it. you do what you want
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
Dark_Avenger said:
I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
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Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
Amornik said:
Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
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Exactly, but with full stock image flush (including bootloader). The full stock tar.md5 form sammobile includes the modem/bootloader/rom. I think that the important thing is to have a modem which is compatible with the bootloader (same version). Didn't try to mix different bootloader/modem(baseband) versions.
Tripping KNOX will only disable the feature which allows you to store some data on a encrypted part of the device (Mostly comercial use) when KNOX is tripped any data stored on the 'special' partition is destroyed.
So there are only 2 things that will be affected, your warranty (Not a problem in Europe) and the special partition that I explained earlier.
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Thanks guys, excellent replies !
So...I did it !
I went and bought a brand new S5, and tripped KNOX within the hour. Man, did it feel sooo good !
custom recovery up, rom up, here we go!