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In addition to functional, consider the price..
http://skrt.pl/11z
Which is better?
This can't even compare to the Galaxy Note, it's 7" for one, a lot thicker and heavier, has lower RAM and CPU, runs Android 2.2. The camera is laughable. This shouldn't even cost the price the seller is charging.
I'd say you should shop elsewhere and get yourself a decent quality-tested device, my friend.
Retro can be seriously cool, but the IT devices I use on everyday basis is the one department I wouldn't go retro with. Unless you want to chain it to ur neck and wear it as some kind of fashion statement. It's like buying a PC XT because it's bigger and cheaper.
Except for the battery life (probably), sheer screen size (but just diagonal, nothing else) and obviously price this thing is absolutely outclassed by note in every possible department. And not by a generation - by 2 or 3. I'd say - if u want to make ur life miserable and know how exactly android device shouldn't feel and work like - get it. Resistive 800 x 480 7" screen...lord help us...
EDIT: from the page you linked - work time: 3-5 hours, no GPS, weight: 473g. Think again, seriously.
A voice in my head says that this is a troll post...
Defo a troll!
Wow carden12 that device you linked is awesome, and so cheap.
Please buy it and let us know what your experiences are with it, I can't wait!
Oh crap!!! I could have have 4 of those for what I paid for my Galaxy Note.
Maybe I can trade my Note for that 7 incher.
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Heh, we are lucky we can afford the Note. That would be nice for someone on a tighter buget, but strictly as a tablet with data connectivity. Doesn't make sense to carry that everywhere like a phone.
methree said:
Wow carden12 that device you linked is awesome, and so cheap.
Please buy it and let us know what your experiences are with it, I can't wait!
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really?should I try with it?
carden12 said:
really?should I try with it?
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Why not?
You shouldn't compare it to the Note, though, it's a different market.
The main selling point of the Note is that it fits in your pockets, so it is a 24x7 device.
Anything bigger that isn't pocketable should be compared to their equivalent - larger (7"+) tablets.
- Frank
ChodTheWacko said:
Why not?
You shouldn't compare it to the Note, though, it's a different market.
The main selling point of the Note is that it fits in your pockets, so it is a 24x7 device.
Anything bigger that isn't pocketable should be compared to their equivalent - larger (7"+) tablets.
- Frank
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you are right..the main selling point of the Note is that it fits in my pockets..
thanks Frank...
Price is good but it can't be used as a cellphone replacement. too big to carry around. even galaxy note is pretty big but at least note would fit in my pocket.... also 256mb Ram is not enough and processor is only 800mhz single core... i think its waist of money. you might use it for a couple of days and then you are gonna be frustrated b/c of it's sluggish performance and use it as a digital picture frame.
Please i want to buy this one, but i can't find any reviews on it at all..
I hope anyone can help me to make right decision..
Thanks in advance
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From what I can find it's an MT6577. The MT6577 is a two year old chip that if you look at the S5, EC-309 and other threads, is known for issues when it comes to smartwatches. MediaTek also has a habit of packaging half finished firmware with security holes and BT issues.
Money vs overall device, you would be better off looking at a MT6572 or MT6582 based standalone smartwatch. And if all the MediaTek based smartwatch devs can get together then I expect a number of issues to go away.
Ok thank you loki for this deep knowledge information...
So can you recommend me a standalone one with this price range has better specs or at least with more recent chip?
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the zgpax s5 has a thread and it seems to be a good watch. I dont think that the company producing this watch would make the s6 worse than the s5, if anything it should be better than the s5. I plan on buying this in a few weeks.
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the zgpax s5 has a thread and it seems to be a good watch. I dont think that the company producing this watch would make the s6 worse than the s5, if anything it should be better than the s5. I plan on buying this in a few weeks.
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I am not sure how good the S6 is, but I was very interested. My only issue with all current Android 3G phone watches is that they seem to have the same specifications, which based on an earlier response, is a dated technology, and I wonder if it really is worth $130+ USD, when you can get smartphone with much better specs for less money.
What intrigues me with the s6 is that it seems to have the look I will be expecting from the rumored Samsung Galaxy Solo due out later this year.
I for one am opting for a Kickstarter phone watch (the XS-4) that seems to be a quantum leap in technology (MTK6592 octo-core processor, Android 4.4, waterproof and LTE among other neat specs.). Granted it sells for over $250 USD and it a Kickstarter campaign.
I gave up on the XS-4 and I have bought myself the CL-W211, which is another branding of the Zgpax S6. I will review it once I get it in a few weeks.
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I am not sure how good the S6 is, but I was very interested. My only issue with all current Android 3G phone watches is that they seem to have the same specifications, which based on an earlier response, is a dated technology, and I wonder if it really is worth $130+ USD, when you can get smartphone with much better specs for less money.
What intrigues me with the s6 is that it seems to have the look I will be expecting from the rumored Samsung Galaxy Solo due out later this year.
I for one am opting for a Kickstarter phone watch (the XS-4) that seems to be a quantum leap in technology (MTK6592 octo-core processor, Android 4.4, waterproof and LTE among other neat specs.). Granted it sells for over $250 USD and it a Kickstarter campaign.
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The thing to look for when buying a android watch phone, is that you don't necessarily look for the newest / fastest but rather to acknowledge there WILL be compromises between price, battery life, performance due to the size of the watch.
things you want:
1. battery life
2. waterproof/resistance
3. at least dual core
4. at least 512mb ram
5. at least Android 4.0
things you DONT want
1. LTE or even 3g
2. octo-core
3. short battery life
4. single-touch capacitive display
The xs-4 failed aboved also its kickstarter... if you ever get it it'll be 2 years from now and it'll still be old tech and bad battery life.
s5/6 is an okay product however its battery life is problmatic..
like the other guy said, much better to look for a mtk6572 device which should cost ~$200 online.
beggerking said:
The thing to look for when buying a android watch phone, is that you don't necessarily look for the newest / fastest but rather to acknowledge there WILL be compromises between price, battery life, performance due to the size of the watch.
things you want:
1. battery life
2. waterproof/resistance
3. at least dual core
4. at least 512mb ram
5. at least Android 4.0
things you DONT want
1. LTE or even 3g
2. octo-core
3. short battery life
4. single-touch capacitive display
The xs-4 failed aboved also its kickstarter... if you ever get it it'll be 2 years from now and it'll still be old tech and bad battery life.
s5/6 is an okay product however its battery life is problmatic..
like the other guy said, much better to look for a mtk6572 device which should cost ~$200 online.
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Thanks for the advice, and BTW, because it was "too good to be true" and failed other Crowd Funding efforts, I have abandoned the pledge for the XS-4. With just over 44 pledges and two days left on Kickstarter, I think that there is too much risk with this product. I also have memories from my previous pledge for the Neptune Pine, which has turned into a fiasco - Fortunately I took there offer for a full refund when they failed to meet their first delivery dates.
In the meantime, I did order the CL-W211 (exactly the same watch as the Zgpax S6), and when I receive it, I will add a review.
Review of the Zgpax S6
needo said:
Please i want to buy this one, but i can't find any reviews on it at all..
I hope anyone can help me to make right decision..
Thanks in advance
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Here is a review of the ZGPAX S6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_-1Nfp3gCo
19mm thick
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Here is a review of the ZGPAX S6:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_-1Nfp3gCo
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For $129, i can live with the low screen resolution and the 2MP cam, but it's19mm thick, shame, far too thick for me.
Other then that, i would have purchased it, cuz all seems good for the price. :good:
needo said:
Please i want to buy this one, but i can't find any reviews on it at all..
I hope anyone can help me to make right decision..
Thanks in advance
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I just received my ZGPAX S6 today (labelled CL-W211), and here are my first impressions:
Pros:
- Bloatware free, full Android 4.04
- Screen is bright, easy to read and responsive
- Device has decent performance for such modest specifications
- So far all the features tested have work. I still have to test the GPS.
- Speaker quality is excellent
Cons:
- Battery life is terrible, especially if you use many of the phones features at once
- WiFi reception is very weak
- Build quality is not the best and makes you wonder about durability
- Chinese instructions and power plug were useless and a bit of a joke considering where the device was being shipped to
I think this watch phone has potential, and will serve me well as a proof of concept until more sophisticated models are released.
The zgpax s5 or sy have both not 2 finger multitouch?
Sometimes in videos it looks like it has.
Updated review on the ZGPAX S6
After having my S6 for the past 8 months, I am sad to report that my original concerns about quality build were justified, as the camera is no longer functional, and the original batter no longer holds a charge (I had to buy a spare one). What is most infuriating is the fact that ZGPAX has released an updated S6, using the MTK6572 processor, and therefore able to run Android 4.4, whereas the original S6 is limited to Android 4.04.
I even think the whole concept of a smartphone on a watch was flawed, as the ZGPAX failed in usability: It is difficult to have a device that when not used can last a reasonable amount of time, but the moment you do anything on it, the battery drains almost instantaneously. Also, while I love compact devices, a 1.54 inch screen is too small even for those with the best eyesight. Having a smart watch paired with a smartphone is still a decent option, but forget an all-in-one solution!
I have moved on (technologically), but to me this was the last straw in buying cheap Chinese tech, especially when the manufacturer abandons the product. For those who read this and are considering buying the ZGPAX S6, you have been warned.
Thanks for this post. But one has to really point out that for the price for such a watch and the fact that it is a "no name" brand. ie unbranded really. One would expect around 8 months to 12 months usage. It is not bad that your lasted for 8 months. It can now serve as a AP-tettering point connected to a small powerbank since it is still functional even with a very weak or non-functional battery. If you buy a branded product at 2.5 times the price, then expect that to last 2 years or around that. I expect most would switch after a year. It is no different from a phone where yearly switching seems to be the norm for many and a phone is clearly 3 to 4 times to price of the watch. My S8 is going on 7 months and I will replace it or add another in 6 months or so when the Android Wear software really comes of ago with funtionality and battery life. I really need a GPS-track on watch to last a full 12 hours on one charge. For now the Garmin Vivoactive looks like the closest match, but I will hold off for the next iteration. The screen is lower resolution as I expect 320X320 at the very least.
it seems that smartwatches start to come out with lolipop instead of kitkat.
http://www.zgpax.com/androidwatch/41-55.html
http://www.zgpax.com/androidwatch/41-54.html
the question is: does it have a good battery life as D5\K18......?
With all that extra kit (camera, flash card & micro usb port) it's only got the same battery rating as the K8/D5/X1 - I don't see how it could last very long.
It must be very chunky in size as well I'm guessing....
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With all that extra kit (camera, flash card & micro usb port) it's only got the same battery rating as the K8/D5/X1 - I don't see how it could last very long.
It must be very chunky in size as well I'm guessing....
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if it is going to be as the thickness of the s8 then not that thick BUT if it is going to be as the s82 then yes it is going to be chunky, i also wonder about the battery life the s8 and s82 had terrible battery life when i used activity tracking apps and notifications apps or even just BT the battery did'nt last more then 6 hours :\
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if it is going to be as the thickness of the s8 then not that thick BUT if it is going to be as the s82 then yes it is going to be chunky, i also wonder about the battery life the s8 and s82 had terrible battery life when i used activity tracking apps and notifications apps or even just BT the battery did'nt last more then 6 hours :\
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On the site they have released pics of the side. Seems to have the same 470mha battery. After pondering over the s8 or no.1 d5 (that goes out the window now with these running lollipop) I will ponder over the s83 or s99. I like the design of the s83. I have contacted them there at zgpax and they have said its not been released yet. It has a tf(sd) card slot and play store. They will let me know when released.
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On the site they have released pics of the side. Seems to have the same 470mha battery. After pondering over the s8 or no.1 d5 (that goes out the window now with these running lollipop) I will ponder over the s83 or s99. I like the design of the s83. I have contacted them there at zgpax and they have said its not been released yet. It has a tf(sd) card slot and play store. They will let me know when released.
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it is better you wait for someone else to buy it to see if it has synchronization app and what are the tracking activity apps it has, the s82 has 700 mAh and still did'nt last a day with usage and BT drained the battery really fast less than 2 hours, that is why i love so much the D5 even with heavy usage it last more than 10 hours and that's alot. i like the idea of sd card slot but not if it will be chunky and the battery life is the same as the other ones.
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it is better you wait for someone else to buy it to see if it has synchronization app and what are the tracking activity apps it has, the s82 has 700 mAh and still did'nt last a day with usage and BT drained the battery really fast less than 2 hours, that is why i love so much the D5 even with heavy usage it last more than 10 hours and that's alot. i like the idea of sd card slot but not if it will be chunky and the battery life is the same as the other ones.
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Of course I will not buy it now. Although I won't be using it for synchronization and not really the whole day. It will be my primary phone. I would have got the d5 but the lack of a sd card slot blew it for me. As I said its gonna be my primary phone. Hope someone gets it soon and reviews!
They're basically the same thing, but I think s83 is better, since it has it's camera on the front rather than the side. Buuuuut, it still looks tilted upwards, so I'm not sure.
It would be a HUUUUUUGE plus if they didn't have antenna in their bands anymore. I broke mine on the s8 and had to solder the piece of crap together with the antenna from s29.
Also, the touchscreen inaccuracy was really annoying, and I hope they fixed it.
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They're basically the same thing, but I think s83 is better, since it has it's camera on the front rather than the side. Buuuuut, it still looks tilted upwards, so I'm not sure.
It would be a HUUUUUUGE plus if they didn't have antenna in their bands anymore. I broke mine on the s8 and had to solder the piece of crap together with the antenna from s29.
Also, the touchscreen inaccuracy was really annoying, and I hope they fixed it.
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The S82 has not 700 mh battery. I have one and a second battery, and have 500. The problem its that they said 700 but i think they had problems with battery and because of this they mount only 500. In many shops they yet say 700 but not.
The problems with ZGPAX S82 I had:
- Support: zero. Even they not respond any mail.
- Battery: not show the real percent so you can have 50% an in a few minutes down to 15%.
- Gps: lost a lot of sattelites or signal when you put on. Impossible use it like navigator to drive.
- Touch response: a few inacurate.
- Screen rotate: in many apps its impossible put it ok.
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The S82 has not 700 mh battery. I have one and a second battery, and have 500. The problem its that they said 700 but i think they had problems with battery and because of this they mount only 500. In many shops they yet say 700 but not.
The problems with ZGPAX S82 I had:
- Support: zero. Even they not respond any mail.
- Battery: not show the real percent so you can have 50% an in a few minutes down to 15%.
- Gps: lost a lot of sattelites or signal when you put on. Impossible use it like navigator to drive.
- Touch response: a few inacurate.
- Screen rotate: in many apps its impossible put it ok.
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i have the s82 hate this watch, i have 4 batteries and one of them is 700mAh and it did NOT improve battery life, i used it as i use the D5 now and the D5 is way better than the s82 in all specs.
soniasophie9697 said:
i have the s82 hate this watch, i have 4 batteries and one of them is 700mAh and it did NOT improve battery life, i used it as i use the D5 now and the D5 is way better than the s82 in all specs.
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The s83 is available for order. Waiting for someone to review it. I suppose an android 6 one will come out next or following year.
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The s83 is available for order. Waiting for someone to review it. I suppose an android 6 one will come out next or following year.
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hey, where have you seen it for sale? on aliexperss it is still not available.
soniasophie9697 said:
hey, where have you seen it for sale? on aliexperss it is still not available.
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Well, you have to send one of the people at zgpax an email. Go to contact us on their website and choose one of the people to email preferebly andy.lu.
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Well, you have to send one of the people at zgpax an email. Go to contact us on their website and choose one of the people to email preferebly andy.lu.
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thanks
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Well, you have to send one of the people at zgpax an email. Go to contact us on their website and choose one of the people to email preferebly andy.lu.
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Popu..._9&btsid=f9380bd6-c4c9-4243-83e1-1fd0b97b930a
it is on sale in aliexpress
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http://www.aliexpress.com/item/Popu..._9&btsid=f9380bd6-c4c9-4243-83e1-1fd0b97b930a
it is on sale in aliexpress
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Tbh I like the s83 more. The sd card does it for me. And the round watches get cut out.
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Tbh I like the s83 more. The sd card does it for me. And the round watches get cut out.
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for your age yes i think the s83 is better choice. most likely i'll wait with my order i want to see more videos before i decide.
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for your age yes i think the s83 is better choice. most likely i'll wait with my order i want to see more videos before i decide.
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hey sonia
the s83 is now on aliexpress
link is : http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-..._9&btsid=52398877-fcb1-4eb6-8a43-b842160fdfde
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hey sonia
the s83 is now on aliexpress
link is : http://www.aliexpress.com/item/NEW-..._9&btsid=52398877-fcb1-4eb6-8a43-b842160fdfde
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now there are 2 5.1 square watches but which one is better. i'm considering the s99 or the kingwear as i said because the sd card but i want to see which has better battery life ( i did'nt have good battery life with zgpax watches) and which has better companion app
the lowest price that i found:
http://www.aliexpress.com/item/The-..._9&btsid=46a34848-f84d-4f67-9c25-da633ffde383
ZGPAX S99
Hi,
I hope you can all help me. I run a company in the UK that rebrand Chinese products and bring them to market in Europe. My brand is called Superspot, and in the past we have made powerbanks, speakers, products for PS4 and more. They can be found for sale on Amazon, Mobile Fun and other sites in the UK.
However now we are considering taking the leap into smartwatches. I have read this thread with interest as two of the watches we are being offered are the i2 and s99.
Our preference at the moment is to go with the s99. This would see us rebrand the watch to our own brand, and in all likelihood we would rebox it, rewrite the manual, and generally tidy the product up so it was fit for 'western' consumption. We have had conversations with the manufacturers and at the moment they seem to be able to produce what we are looking for. Our sole route to market is through online platforms such as those mentioned above.
I wondered if you would be so good as to tell me your opinions on what the s99 is supposed to be able to do. Why would you buy or not buy this watch compared to others on the market? Would you spend $200 on this watch (£140) if it came with a years guarantee and was protected through Amazon etc? Why this watch and not a Gear S, swr50, LG Urbane, Moto 360? Do people really want a watch with sim-card functionality?
Also I would be interested to know opinion on a watch running full Android 5.1 lollipop as the s99 does. Does anyone have experience of how apps 'fit' onto the watch?
We are also being offered a myriad of colours, and we are tempted to go for various options including reds and oranges, as it seems to us a lot of smartwatches are going down the basic black or brown route. We want to offer something that looks different, is this a wise decision?
Finally we have the option of making the s99 with 8GB capacity instead of the standard 4GB. Would this be advantageous to the user?
I know this is a lot of questions, and I am a little worried about how this will be received (I've seen comments about rebranders on this thread!!!!), but ANY feedback will be gratefully received.
Many thanks in advance,
Seb
sebba16 said:
Hi,
I hope you can all help me. I run a company in the UK that rebrand Chinese products and bring them to market in Europe. My brand is called Superspot, and in the past we have made powerbanks, speakers, products for PS4 and more. They can be found for sale on Amazon, Mobile Fun and other sites in the UK.
However now we are considering taking the leap into smartwatches. I have read this thread with interest as two of the watches we are being offered are the i2 and s99.
Our preference at the moment is to go with the s99. This would see us rebrand the watch to our own brand, and in all likelihood we would rebox it, rewrite the manual, and generally tidy the product up so it was fit for 'western' consumption. We have had conversations with the manufacturers and at the moment they seem to be able to produce what we are looking for. Our sole route to market is through online platforms such as those mentioned above.
I wondered if you would be so good as to tell me your opinions on what the s99 is supposed to be able to do. Why would you buy or not buy this watch compared to others on the market? Would you spend $200 on this watch (£140) if it came with a years guarantee and was protected through Amazon etc? Why this watch and not a Gear S, swr50, LG Urbane, Moto 360? Do people really want a watch with sim-card functionality?
Also I would be interested to know opinion on a watch running full Android 5.1 lollipop as the s99 does. Does anyone have experience of how apps 'fit' onto the watch?
We are also being offered a myriad of colours, and we are tempted to go for various options including reds and oranges, as it seems to us a lot of smartwatches are going down the basic black or brown route. We want to offer something that looks different, is this a wise decision?
Finally we have the option of making the s99 with 8GB capacity instead of the standard 4GB. Would this be advantageous to the user?
I know this is a lot of questions, and I am a little worried about how this will be received (I've seen comments about rebranders on this thread!!!!), but ANY feedback will be gratefully received.
Many thanks in advance,
Seb
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i think it is better to ask on the thread of no.1 d5 and i2 and kingwear and finow q1 and on k18\k8 mini and k9 and x5 and x3 ppl who used more than just one watch. about the s99 no one has it yet so you wo'nt get any info about it from here. i brought all thread because many here change the watch if the find one that is better than what they have (as i do even though i love the D5), the standalone watches are better choices because they can be used without the need of the phone around.
mostly all of my phones were chinesse brands (big brands) so i am quite familiar with them and love them but as you may know the support on roms is a little bit limited because they are not open source , but even with that the manufacturers are upgrading for at least one android version upwards
so basically thats why i am in dilemma because of those 2 things
better support and the beautiful Amoled screen which most chinesse brands are not using
so my budget is around 200 pounds (GBP)
i dont know if i should get the Samsung s5 (upgradable to android 6.0) which i can find for that price on ebay or wait and get a phone with the new Mediatek Helio x20 processor which is 2016
only thing i dont like with the Samsung s5 is the battery which is like 2800mah and now there are some chinesse brands like Oukitel that are making 6000mah batteries
so at the moment cannot decide Galaxy s5 or Oukitel k6000 Pro which is like 130 pounds but that battery is soooo eye catching
or wait for Oukitel k6000 premium which should come with amoled display but not sure if it would exceed my 200 pounds limit
if you are familiar with chinesse brands phones share your thoughts what would you get and why
here is a comparision of the 3 phones mentioned
http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/comparison/4e4176268
6000mAh battery in a Chinese phone is probably 2000mAh fake
S5 every time
*Detection* said:
6000mAh battery in a Chinese phone is probably 2000mAh fake
S5 every time
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nono Oukitel is very popular brand because of their big battery phones
this is not a lie there are plenty of videos on the internet that are proving that they are not fake
in case you want to see it there is a teardown already made and you can see the huuuuge battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/oukitel-k6000-disassembly-t3310779
mite_jan said:
nono Oukitel is very popular brand because of their big battery phones
this is not a lie there are plenty of videos on the internet that are proving that they are not fake
in case you want to see it there is a teardown already made and you can see the huuuuge battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/oukitel-k6000-disassembly-t3310779
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Hey folks,
Before I chip in my two cents, I want to state that this is an opinion and my facts could be wrong. Please feel free to correct me at any time, but this is my general understanding on battery tech -
Batteries using current tech simply cannot be larger capacity at the same physical size. IMO (again, may be incorrect) these budget chinese brands simply won't have the funding to use any "forward" or "advanced" tech to enable higher capacity in smaller size so the trade off is either larger/thicker phone - OR as is the case in a lot of these chinese brands - a straight up lie on the capacity of the battery (6000mAH instead of 2000mAH doesn't sound unreasonable). Make sure you check, check and check again on the battery capacity before taking that as the truth. If the phone is similar size to the S5 (I haven't checked dimensions), chances are you'd be buying a relatively similar sized battery within the device. Certainly not (again, unless more expensive tech is used/created) a battery pretty much double the capacity.
Secondly - my opinion on which will be better.
2 years in tech is like 20 years in most industries in terms of how quickly things advance. Look at the change from the S3 to the S5 (or the S5 to the S7). Things (technologically speaking, lets leave design preferences to the side) there have been massive leaps in terms of the processors, battery handling capabilities, screen tech, general efficiency, cameras etc etc. The chinese "cheap" phone is likely to be as-good if not better than the S5 in most, if not all of these areas. Maybe not so much the camera, because Samsung being a company that also produces cameras has the technical know-how to make this a great area.
That been said though..
Support from developers will be short lived and small, if at all.
Future updates will either not happen - or happen once, twice if you're lucky.
If you break it, parts can be hard to source as you'll be likely to struggle to find someone that can or is willing to put their hands on and repair it.
General build quality will be comparitively worse (and yes I am referencing this against the S5 which isn't exactly known for it's general build quality).
My honest opinon - go with the S5. It's had 2 years to mature to what it is now and the dev backing is huge. Depending on the ROM you choose, battery life is likely to be amazing (in fact it'll probably be at least GOOD, regardless of ROM). The camera, generally speaking, is incredible in well lit scenarios and more than acceptable in low light scenarios. The video recording is still absolutely fantastic in comparison to other phones on the market today.
I'll update this once I've read up on the phone you're looking to buy. I own a mobile phone repair company and as a result I get a good idea of what a phone will be like from its specs etc so I'll have a gander.
>>Edit as promised.
Right based on what I can see, that phone is clearly designed based on the iPhone 5/5S model that Apple released. Not a bad thing at all, that phone is gorgeous, just saying...
It does however look pretty.. big. It looks to me to be pretty thick and that leads to me believe that their claim for the battery size is actually true. The battery appears to be taller and wider than that in the S5, plus likely is to be thicker due to the space they have in the phone.
I'm sticking to my original recommendation but that does at least clarify the claims of the battery size. You'll no doubt be happy with your choice either way though - but the S5 DOES and WILL have a much larger developer backing for a lot longer, and thats purely due to the popularity of the S5.
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Hey folks,
Before I chip in my two cents, I want to state that this is an opinion and my facts could be wrong. Please feel free to correct me at any time, but this is my general understanding on battery tech -
Batteries using current tech simply cannot be larger capacity at the same physical size. IMO (again, may be incorrect) these budget chinese brands simply won't have the funding to use any "forward" or "advanced" tech to enable higher capacity in smaller size so the trade off is either larger/thicker phone - OR as is the case in a lot of these chinese brands - a straight up lie on the capacity of the battery (6000mAH instead of 2000mAH doesn't sound unreasonable). Make sure you check, check and check again on the battery capacity before taking that as the truth. If the phone is similar size to the S5 (I haven't checked dimensions), chances are you'd be buying a relatively similar sized battery within the device. Certainly not (again, unless more expensive tech is used/created) a battery pretty much double the capacity.
Secondly - my opinion on which will be better.
2 years in tech is like 20 years in most industries in terms of how quickly things advance. Look at the change from the S3 to the S5 (or the S5 to the S7). Things (technologically speaking, lets leave design preferences to the side) there have been massive leaps in terms of the processors, battery handling capabilities, screen tech, general efficiency, cameras etc etc. The chinese "cheap" phone is likely to be as-good if not better than the S5 in most, if not all of these areas. Maybe not so much the camera, because Samsung being a company that also produces cameras has the technical know-how to make this a great area.
That been said though..
Support from developers will be short lived and small, if at all.
Future updates will either not happen - or happen once, twice if you're lucky.
If you break it, parts can be hard to source as you'll be likely to struggle to find someone that can or is willing to put their hands on and repair it.
General build quality will be comparitively worse (and yes I am referencing this against the S5 which isn't exactly known for it's general build quality).
My honest opinon - go with the S5. It's had 2 years to mature to what it is now and the dev backing is huge. Depending on the ROM you choose, battery life is likely to be amazing (in fact it'll probably be at least GOOD, regardless of ROM). The camera, generally speaking, is incredible in well lit scenarios and more than acceptable in low light scenarios. The video recording is still absolutely fantastic in comparison to other phones on the market today.
I'll update this once I've read up on the phone you're looking to buy. I own a mobile phone repair company and as a result I get a good idea of what a phone will be like from its specs etc so I'll have a gander.
>>Edit as promised.
Right based on what I can see, that phone is clearly designed based on the iPhone 5/5S model that Apple released. Not a bad thing at all, that phone is gorgeous, just saying...
It does however look pretty.. big. It looks to me to be pretty thick and that leads to me believe that their claim for the battery size is actually true. The battery appears to be taller and wider than that in the S5, plus likely is to be thicker due to the space they have in the phone.
I'm sticking to my original recommendation but that does at least clarify the claims of the battery size. You'll no doubt be happy with your choice either way though - but the S5 DOES and WILL have a much larger developer backing for a lot longer, and thats purely due to the popularity of the S5.
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dude have you seen the size of that battery ?
it is like the whole phone fat
so yes it is definitelly if not 6000mah at least 5500mah
if not check the post where i posted the teardown pictures
i agree to the fact that in same size you cannot squeaze more mah but this is lot bigger in size
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dude have you seen the size of that battery ?
it is like the whole phone fat
so yes it is definitelly if not 6000mah at least 5500mah
if not check the post where i posted the teardown pictures
i agree to the fact that in same size you cannot squeaze more mah but this is lot bigger in size
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I put my response on without looking at the phone itself, so no - I hadn't seen the size of it.
Basically to me that phone would be a step BACKWARDS in terms of design and build quality. Save yourself the hassle, get the S5.
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I put my response on without looking at the phone itself, so no - I hadn't seen the size of it.
Basically to me that phone would be a step BACKWARDS in terms of design and build quality. Save yourself the hassle, get the S5.
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i get it that you like most of the people are not into chinesse tech and that is fine but dont criticise before checking
so let me save you the checking
k6000 pro uses the sony imx214 sensor which can be found in Nexus 6 , Sony Xperia Z2
maybe not the same software camera optimization like those brands but pictures should be close
i have owned previously chinesse phone with same sensor and pictures were perfect (Jiayu s3)
the processor and GPU are not its best side they are midrange but good enought
like i said the only thing i like in the Galaxy S5 is the amoled display and support , but i believe there wont be any official support after marshmallow for the S5 (and we all know how good are the future unofficial ports)
for the K6000 pro there is more possibilities that it will get Android Nuts, Nesquick, Nutella or whatever it is going to be called
actually i like metal designs more on phones so i dont see it as step backwards
i think i will wait for the premium version of Oukitel K6000 with the flagship Helio x20 processor and Amoled screen and if it is going to be around 200 pounds i will buy that one without thinking
anyway thanks for your opinion
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i get it that you like most of the people are not into chinesse tech and that is fine but dont criticise before checking
so let me save you the checking
k6000 pro uses the sony imx214 sensor which can be found in Nexus 6 , Sony Xperia Z2
maybe not the same software camera optimization like those brands but pictures should be close
i have owned previously chinesse phone with same sensor and pictures were perfect (Jiayu s3)
the processor and GPU are not its best side they are midrange but good enought
like i said the only thing i like in the Galaxy S5 is the amoled display and support , but i believe there wont be any official support after marshmallow for the S5 (and we all know how good are the future unofficial ports)
for the K6000 pro there is more possibilities that it will get Android Nuts, Nesquick, Nutella or whatever it is going to be called
actually i like metal designs more on phones so i dont see it as step backwards
i think i will wait for the premium version of Oukitel K6000 with the flagship Helio x20 processor and Amoled screen and if it is going to be around 200 pounds i will buy that one without thinking
anyway thanks for your opinion
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Sounds like you've made up your own mind. Enjoy the phone.
> Side note, I am very much into chinese tech. In fact, if it werent for the longevity of Samsung I would tell you to go with the other option but basic facts are facts - the alternative will last 6 months, tops.
yetep said:
Sounds like you've made up your own mind. Enjoy the phone.
> Side note, I am very much into chinese tech. In fact, if it werent for the longevity of Samsung I would tell you to go with the other option but basic facts are facts - the alternative will last 6 months, tops.
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still havent decided because i want phone quickly and this Oukitel k6000 premium version is going to be on the market maybe after 2,3 months
so still considering the Samsung s5 and at the same time for some other branded phone with Helio x20
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I have the opportunity to buy galaxy s5, which select the versions: snapdragon801 or exynos5422? which is better?
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now that you guys have seen the new moto, what do you think? would you buy it?
the buzz killer a bit for me is the deleted 3.5mm headphone jack
well it's estimated that moto z2 force is gonna cost for apx $621.49/- which i personally think is costly and not worth it
pros:
snapdragon 835(faster ovbio.. u will get updates more quicker & better performance)
dual camera (which is good feature)
shaterproof screen (nice)
5.5 quadhd amoled (nice)
cons:
battery (2730mAh) not worth
no audio jack (upto you)
moto mods... (too costly)
4GB ram... (one plus 5 has released phones upto 8GB and moto still at 4GB)
wall charger now gives 12W instead of 20W power (won't charge quick like moto x style/pure)
final review: just look and think. if i was you i would have not wasted my $621.49/- for this. instead i would have got a new and better phone
Sagar_1401 said:
well it's estimated that moto z2 force is gonna cost for apx $621.49/- which i personally think is costly and not worth it
pros:
snapdragon 835(faster ovbio.. u will get updates more quicker & better performance)
dual camera (which is good feature)
shaterproof screen (nice)
5.5 quadhd amoled (nice)
cons:
battery (2730mAh) not worth
no audio jack (upto you)
moto mods... (too costly)
4GB ram... (one plus 5 has released phones upto 8GB and moto still at 4GB)
wall charger now gives 12W instead of 20W power (won't charge quick like moto x style/pure)
final review: just look and think. if i was you i would have not wasted my $621.49/- for this. instead i would have got a new and better phone
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the pure has 5.7 quad HD screen
Jonathanlc2005 said:
the pure has 5.7 quad HD screen
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but its isp whereas the z2 force is amoled
2700 mah on a snapdragon 835. I don't know what motorola is thinking about but is way above the average for a 2017 flagship. It is a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous company.
NahuelMS said:
2700 mah on a snapdragon 835. I don't know what motorola is thinking about but is way above the average for a 2017 flagship. It is a ridiculous decision from a ridiculous company.
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Agreed. 100%. I'll link the Reddit thread about why the Z2 force sucks for what it is.
yeah ill be more concerned about the battery because once your using all those apps on that 4gb of ram and it gets close to max... that battery is going to be shot.
had they included 6gb of ram i may have been more willing to buy it
Jonathanlc2005 said:
yeah ill be more concerned about the battery because once your using all those apps on that 4gb of ram and it gets close to max... that battery is going to be shot.
had they included 6gb of ram i may have been more willing to buy it
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Umm... What? Why would having 2, 4, or 6 GB of RAM have any relation to battery life? That doesn't make any sense... personally I just don't like it because the battery is too small, period.
The Moto Z play was a phone whose quality construction was the worst. The back "glass" scratched with only seeyin it, the cámera lens wasn't even scratch prof so it gets scratched too. The screen was mounted in a way that with a 10cm fall it break in 10 pieces. Lenovo chose to save cents in a 450 USD phone just putting in it the worse materials ever.
Eveen with this in mind it is a phone wich become a sales record just for his amazin battery life, like 12 hours of SoT in some cases.
Now what is even even even more amazing that what they did with the Z2 force, is how they cut the battery of the Z Play in their Z Play 2, to release a phone a little bit tiny with almost the same processor, the same screen and similar cameras, justo to price it 150 U$D more. Not only they cut the battery mAh in 600mah, it doesn't last even the half of the Z Play wich was a succes for his battery life. All of this just to gain 1mm less Lol.
Really i don't know what they are thinking about, maybe they think they are going to sell more mods in this way but only a monkey will pay so much for a phone that much overpriced with poor battery life. To this just add the shi**y customer services and support they had. I am just crossing my fingers for Nokia to come worldwide.
The battery isn't too bad since it's less than 10% smaller than the Pure's with the addition of a more efficient processor and an AMOLED display help balance it out
The extra memory is nice, but it won't make too much of a difference in the day to day use that I have
The shatter-proof display is really cool, but it's plastic and can be scratched so easily, at that point I'd rather have a glass screen and a screen protector
I could never see myself buying a moto mod because of them being too pricey along with me preferring to have a case on at all times
The dual camera thing is nice, but I'm perfectly satisfied with the single camera on the Pure. The Camera bump is also terrible and I'd hate to deal with that if I couldn't have a case on
The lack of dual front facing speakers is a pretty big downside for me, but I'd be willing to deal with it if the phone had more pros
I personally hate the way Moto has implemented the fingerprint scanner since it can't be used as a home button and the software buttons are still there just wasting screen real-estate
It's being shipped with an already out of date version of Nougat (7.1.1) and then it'll get O and (maybe) P. The only thing I would be happy about in regards to the updates is the possibility of them being delivered more quickly
Finally, the price. Assuming that everyone here that is thinking about switching from the Pure, (based on the current prices from Swappa and Ebay) you'll probably get about $200 from a 16GB used Pure. Then you could get it for about $520 (assuming that you buy the phone for $720). Ultimately, this is a bad deal and nowhere near worth it for me
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Umm... What? Why would having 2, 4, or 6 GB of RAM have any relation to battery life? That doesn't make any sense... personally I just don't like it because the battery is too small, period.
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come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
Jonathanlc2005 said:
come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
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Lol... Sure, ok
Jonathanlc2005 said:
come on... you know as memory gets closer to capacity it draws more power
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Please show me where you for your information because pretty sure you're wrong.
xantanion said:
Please show me where you for your information because pretty sure you're wrong.
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well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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So now you're bringing screen brightness into this? Lol
Jonathanlc2005 said:
well... you tell me. why dont you prove me wrong. do 2 runs. with no timeout and max brightness.
using a task manager run a phone with 90% ram like clash of clans and a bunch of other **** and run another one with less than 50%
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You are likely missing an important piece here... those apps running, are RUNNING, in other words they are doing stuff like accessing the processor, sensors, storage, etc.
[troll]Logic says your thought that having more RAM's reduces power consumption is flawed... if anything it is the opposite, more RAM will likely require more power because the more stuff in RAM, the more things running and doing stuff, thus using more battery.[/troll]
Sorry, but this topic has been debated to death since different RAM variants of otherwise identical Android devices came out and the consensus is that the amount of RAM in otherwise similar devices has no noticeable impact on battery consumption... Do you see reviews where a difference in battery life is noted between say the Moto G5 Plus 2/32GB and 4/64GB models, the OP5's 6GB or 8GB variant, or the Redmi Note 4 which comes in a 2, 3, and 4GB variant? No... why? Because there is no difference in battery consumption. There is potential of difference for many other things related specifically to RAM, but not battery life.
Show me a review or article that is from a verifiable, reputable source that states the contrary and explains WHY it would take more power and I will gladly read it.
There is also the piece we haven't mentioned, that a device should never have more than 10-15% of free RAM anyway... this is a Linux based OS, meaning free RAM is wasted RAM.
acejavelin said:
You are likely missing an important piece here... those apps running, are RUNNING, in other words they are doing stuff like accessing the processor, sensors, storage, etc.
[troll]Logic says your thought that having more RAM's reduces power consumption is flawed... if anything it is the opposite, more RAM will likely require more power because the more stuff in RAM, the more things running and doing stuff, thus using more battery.[/troll]
Sorry, but this topic has been debated to death since different RAM variants of otherwise identical Android devices came out and the consensus is that the amount of RAM in otherwise similar devices has no noticeable impact on battery consumption... Do you see reviews where a difference in battery life is noted between say the Moto G5 Plus 2/32GB and 4/64GB models, the OP5's 6GB or 8GB variant, or the Redmi Note 4 which comes in a 2, 3, and 4GB variant? No... why? Because there is no difference in battery consumption. There is potential of difference for many other things related specifically to RAM, but not battery life.
Show me a review or article that is from a verifiable, reputable source that states the contrary and explains WHY it would take more power and I will gladly read it.
There is also the piece we haven't mentioned, that a device should never have more than 10-15% of free RAM anyway... this is a Linux based OS, meaning free RAM is wasted RAM.
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Well said ace!!!??
Here's another good reason not to buy the MZ2F
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-forces-unbreakable-screen-may-deal-breaker/
NoLimitCrafting said:
Here's another good reason not to buy the MZ2F
http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/07/31/moto-z2-forces-unbreakable-screen-may-deal-breaker/
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Lenovo downgrade the quality of their product to a really poor level. It started with the lenz of the g4 and Z line and continued with the Z play screen an back cover. They prefer to save cents not putting scratch test glass that bringing a solid product to their clients.
Not a chance, the Moto z2 force is a downgrade to this phone