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Are people honestly reacting like this?

Damn you Google! How dare you charge the actual price for the phone? We wanted you to pay for some of the phone again. Doing it twice for us (when we didn’t even ask) isn’t good enough!
The phone with a 2560x1440 OLED screen, 3220mAh battery, 13mp OIS camera, 2.7ghz quad core CPU, 3gb ram, adreno 420 GPU, 32/64gb storage, 4K video capture, metal frame and fast charging should have been $350!! Damn you for not giving this to us!
Seriously..

I agree, people are never satisfied.

You forgot the 84,000 LTE bands

Yeah, I understand that were all sticker shocked because it's not low-cost like the last two releases but come on... This is basically the zero-compromise "premium" Nexus we've been waiting for years now (minus the 6" screen).
Nexuses were never known as low-cost devices either, sure they somewhat were cheaper then other flagships at the time, but not zero profit cheap. The last two (N4, N5) have spoiled users.

This sounds like a typical fanboy response. It may be a good phone but it's not being sold at cost like you seem to think. Just because someone criticizes something or has a different opinion doesn't make them wrong. I for one want to way the pros AND the cons before I blindly follow just because I "love" google.
And besides, the nexus line was never meant to be the best phone in the world, it was a reference phone with good hardware at a good price, and the fact that they went a different route is what upsets some people.

the phone does not have a sd slot, only 32gb and 64gb, no ir blaster, outdated front camera, no removable battery, no fingerprint sensor, no heath rate monitor, and using last years amoled display..it does not compete with other's flagships devices i think it shouldnt worth that much

hello00 said:
the phone does not have a sd slot, only 32gb and 64gb, no ir blaster, outdated front camera, no removable battery, no fingerprint sensor, no heath rate monitor, and using last years amoled display..it does not compete with other's flagships devices i think it shouldnt worth that much
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Watch out. those are some flame war statements.
Anyways... It does have this:
Nexus experience
Stereo Speakers - Front firing
Wireless Charging + Turbo Charging
Worldwide LTE bands (it really does support a ridiculous amount of bands, US and everywhere else)
Not to mention no other phone besides the Note 4 has the same beastly specs and it costs $100 more. So how can you say it can't complete with other flagships? Your argument is without merit.

Bjray said:
Watch out. those are some flame war statements.
Anyways... It does have this:
Nexus experience
Stereo Speakers - Front firing
Wireless Charging + Turbo Charging
Worldwide LTE bands (it really does support a ridiculous amount of bands, US and everywhere else)
Not to mention no other phone besides the Note 4 has the same beastly specs and it costs $100 more. So how can you say that? It has no merit.
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The note 4 has everything youve mentioned except..it does not run pure android and does not have front speakers and sm n910c (note 4) runs exynos 5433 64bit which performs better than snapdragon 805 and have better battery life

I don't have so much of a problem with Google for charging $650 for that but rather for not offering a smaller, somewhat scaled-down, more affordable 2014 model handset. Not everyone wants a phablet after all.

The note 4 has everything everything youve mentioned except..it does not run pure android and does not have front speakers and sm n910c (note 4) runs exynos 5433 64bit which performs better than snapdragon 805 and have battery battery life
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The Note 4 doesn't have as many worldwide bands as the N6 at all. And wireless charging isn't built-in, it's an add-on.
Battery life remains to be seen. "Project Volta" is coming and Stock Android should provide less strain than TouchWiz. If anything they'll be about the same.
And you just proved my point, the Nexus 6 matched the mighty Note 4 and it only beats it in camera performance.
The fact is: The Note 4 and N6 are both beasts and have both have exclusive features for different sets of users. You can't go wrong either way...

Bjray said:
The Note 4 doesn't have as many worldwide bands as the N6 at all. And wireless charging isn't built-in, it's an add-on.
Battery life remains to be seen. "Project Volta" is coming and Stock Android should provide less strain than TouchWiz. If anything they'll be about the same.
And you just proved my point, the Nexus 6 matched the mighty Note 4 and it only beats it in camera performance.
The fact is: The Note 4 and N6 are both beasts and have both have exclusive features for different sets of users. You can't go wrong either way...
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Does anyone know a person that bought a phone due to how many worldwide bands it offers?
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Actually the number of bands is definitely a factor especially if you travel often. What impresses me is the iPhone 6 has twenty LTE bands!

BirchBarlow said:
I don't have so much of a problem with Google for charging $650 for that but rather for not offering a smaller, somewhat scaled-down, more affordable 2014 model handset. Not everyone wants a phablet after all.
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Buy a Moto X then. Basically the same thing but scaled down and might even have some cool Moto specific features.

hello00 said:
the phone does not have a sd slot, only 32gb and 64gb, no ir blaster, outdated front camera, no removable battery, no fingerprint sensor, no heath rate monitor, and using last years amoled display..it does not compete with other's flagships devices i think it shouldnt worth that much
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I have a Note 3. I never use the IR blaster, front camera, never remove the battery, could give two craps less about a fingerprint sensor or a health rate monitor...
No SD slot sucks, but I have a large Dropbox and 25gb of cloud storage per device through Verizon as part of my plan.
Clearly you nor anyone else here quite knows which screen it has yet. But as long as it's at least as good as the Note 3, in which case it's better.....
I mean.... how badly do you want to hate a good thing?

Heart rate monitor. lol.

Have to check your heart rate when people are bashing the note 4. Lol
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Yea.... i have to agree with whoever it was that said the main difference between the Note 4 and Nexus 6 is the camera. Otherwise, the specs are basically identical.
@hello00 Yes, the SM-N910C has an Exynos 5433 chipset. But that's basically the only one that DOESN'T have a Snapdragon 805 chipset as far as i'm aware, and it isn't designated as a phone for the US market.
either way you look at it, i'd much rather have the Nexus 6. I mean... who in their right mind would want to have a phone that ACTUALLY ADVERTISES having a "Selfie-optimized front facing camera"? Sure as balls not me.

I'd have to agree with OP. Google held nothing back this time around and it shows in the price.

From what has been said the N6 uses the same Sony sensor as the G3 which has a great camera. I think it has the right hardware and software to justify the cost. I own a G3 cat 6 (SD805 model) and its a great phone. I am buying the N6 because I miss stock android and the ~6in screen is awesome. I had a Note 3 and I liked the large display,the G3 was a step down in size, but with a 6in 2k display I think I'll be happy. The SD805 is still a great SoC and with stock Android Lolipop it will likely be very smooth with hopefully good battery life. I will buy a N6 even if it has a AMOLED from the Note 3 era because that display is still very good compared to others and I never had any burn in.

Saschwatch said:
This sounds like a typical fanboy response. It may be a good phone but it's not being sold at cost like you seem to think. Just because someone criticizes something or has a different opinion doesn't make them wrong. I for one want to way the pros AND the cons before I blindly follow just because I "love" google.
And besides, the nexus line was never meant to be the best phone in the world, it was a reference phone with good hardware at a good price, and the fact that they went a different route is what upsets some people.
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Yes I'm a complete nexus fanboy despite the fact if you look at my post history, my last few phones are Sony Z3, Galaxy S5, One M8, LG G2, Galaxy S4 (i9505 and i9500).
For reference, the last truly great nexus phone was the Galaxy Nexus. The Nexus 4 I returned after a week, and the Nexus 5 was so horrendous I didn't even bother. But yes, I'm a nexus fanboy.

Want to buy note 4

Hello guys. İ want to buy note 4.
Whixh edition do you suggest?
Sdragon or exynos?
And can you tell me pros and cons for phone? İ read reviews buy i want real users feedback.
Do you suggest it for today? 2016 april.

Yes, I completely suggest it for today, in this time, especially the price is pretty cheap now.
Pros for me:
- Great camera in daylight, above average in low light
- Incredible display
- Superb call quality
- Very good built, though the metal edges will scratch in no time, but that's metal for you
- TouchWiz is okay-ish. Not bad, but not that good either, but with MM released things will get better I am sure
- Excellent battery backup, with MM
Cons:
- Samsung's shoddy update policy for different variants
- Camera in low light, can't compete in that level with nowadays phones like S7, Note 5 etc., but its still close
- Rear mounting speaker!
- Screen to body ratio
- Meh Fingerprint scanner
PS: You can go for either model, Exy or SD, both have very good support from XDA. I heard that Exynos is better for gaming, while SD is better for overall optimisation and battery life, can't be sure about that myself as I only have one variant, SD.

İ didnt understand update part. What about front camera?
İ am using nexus 5 , is it worth upgrade? And how much it cost now?
ithehappy said:
Yes, I completely suggest it for today, in this time, especially the price is pretty cheap now.
Pros for me:
- Great camera in daylight, above average in low light
- Incredible display
- Superb call quality
- Very good built, though the metal edges will scratch in no time, but that's metal for you
- TouchWiz is okay-ish. Not bad, but not that good either, but with MM released things will get better I am sure
- Excellent battery backup, with MM
Cons:
- Samsung's shoddy update policy for different variants
- Camera in low light, can't compete in that level with nowadays phones like S7, Note 5 etc., but its still close
- Rear mounting speaker!
- Screen to body ratio
- Meh Fingerprint scanner
PS: You can go for either model, Exy or SD, both have very good support from XDA. I heard that Exynos is better for gaming, while SD is better for overall optimisation and battery life, can't be sure about that myself as I only have one variant, SD.
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Ehmedhemidli said:
İ didnt understand update part. What about front camera?
İ am using nexus 5 , is it worth upgrade? And how much it cost now?
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I don't use Front cam at all mate, so can't comment. Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned, I can't even put both the phones in same sentence, no offence.
Note 4 32 gigs cost around 32-33k INR here, but very often it sells around 30k or something.

Then i will go for note 4. And there is on more same price phone galaxy s6. İ dont know s6 is good too or not. İ hrard battery life is bad on s6
ithehappy said:
I don't use Front cam at all mate, so can't comment. Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned, I can't even put both the phones in same sentence, no offence.
Note 4 32 gigs cost around 32-33k INR here, but very often it sells around 30k or something.
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Both snap and exynos are powerfull. But in fact, through a lot of benchmark, exynos is better than snap, but just alittle bit. I'm also use the exynos version too. If you want to play game, should buy snap version. And if u want something for work, exynos is great.
P/s: one more thing u should no, exynos version is cooler than snap, snap is too hot after using for a while, and the battery of exynos version also better than snap version. Hope that you buy the phone suit for u.

ithehappy said:
I don't use Front cam at all mate, so can't comment. Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned, I can't even put both the phones in same sentence, no offence.
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Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned
What do you mean exactly?? because im a happy owner of a nexus 5 for 2plus years now and i can tell you for sure that i wont replace this crude diamond not even for a future s15 edge or anything.
Now for our friend's question. as u can see i allready own a nexus 5 like you, and i bought a N910c (thats the exynos) about 2 months ago. I DIDNT got this as a replacement for nexus,as the matter of fact i use it without sim. anyway my previous samsung device was back in 2012 with the NOTE 10.1 wifi... well after this i swore to myself that i wont buy a samsung again. But here i am after 4 years breaking that promise with spending 400euros to a piece of.......... imnot going to analyse this, do a better research to have lower chances to regret a purchase.(not like me)
My personal advice is to do your self a favor and dont buy this device or perhaps any mobile device from that company. -not for the hardware but for the software.-
and for your info nexus 5 runs way smoother than the exynos. maybe the snapdragon would be a better choice if u insist buying the note

lekou said:
Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned
What do you mean exactly?? because im a happy owner of a nexus 5 for 2plus years now and i can tell you for sure that i wont replace this crude diamond not even for a future s15 edge or anything.
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Shouldn't bother replying to a person who would prefer a decade old phone over a newer one, but still replying just so someone "new" and "uninformed" can actually see what Nexus 5 really is.
By nightmarish hardware I meant:
- It is one of the most awfully built device out there. Kudos LG.
- The call quality of the phone is awful, as well as the reception. I have never had a phone with as terrible reception as that, and please don't even bother wasting your time by saying I live in an industrial area or something where reception is poor, rather its very opposite.
- The display. No comments.
- The camera. No comments.
- The external speakerphone. No comments.
Shall I go on?
Nexus is Nexus because of its SOFTWARE ONLY, period, and no exception is Nexus 5.

lekou said:
Nexus 5? That's one of the hardware nightmarish phone I have ever owned
What do you mean exactly?? because im a happy owner of a nexus 5 for 2plus years now and i can tell you for sure that i wont replace this crude diamond not even for a future s15 edge or anything.
Now for our friend's question. as u can see i allready own a nexus 5 like you, and i bought a N910c (thats the exynos) about 2 months ago. I DIDNT got this as a replacement for nexus,as the matter of fact i use it without sim. anyway my previous samsung device was back in 2012 with the NOTE 10.1 wifi... well after this i swore to myself that i wont buy a samsung again. But here i am after 4 years breaking that promise with spending 400euros to a piece of.......... imnot going to analyse this, do a better research to have lower chances to regret a purchase.(not like me)
My personal advice is to do your self a favor and dont buy this device or perhaps any mobile device from that company. -not for the hardware but for the software.-
and for your info nexus 5 runs way smoother than the exynos. maybe the snapdragon would be a better choice if u insist buying the note
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My nexus 5 is in very nad condition (glass broken, frame got big cracks, back cover damaged) battery life is 1.2-2 hours of on screen. Camera is very bad. İ cant take proper pictures.
And yes İt is smoother

sontran_vietnam said:
Both snap and exynos are powerfull. But in fact, through a lot of benchmark, exynos is better than snap, but just alittle bit. I'm also use the exynos version too. If you want to play game, should buy snap version. And if u want something for work, exynos is great.
P/s: one more thing u should no, exynos version is cooler than snap, snap is too hot after using for a while, and the battery of exynos version also better than snap version. Hope that you buy the phone suit for u.
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İ use phone taking photos, heavy use of messenger and facebook, whatsapp, chrome. Sometimes gaming.
Actually my nexus 5 will stay . i wont sell it.
İ will buy new note 4 exynos or whatever for daily use. Nexus 5 will be always like testing roms improving developing skills

Ehmedhemidli said:
İ use phone taking photos, heavy use of messenger and facebook, whatsapp, chrome. Sometimes gaming.
Actually my nexus 5 will stay . i wont sell it.
İ will buy new note 4 exynos or whatever for daily use. Nexus 5 will be always like testing roms improving developing skills
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Note 4 Exynos will be the best choice you can have, it's better than Snap one. ^^

Ehmedhemidli said:
Hello guys. İ want to buy note 4.
Whixh edition do you suggest?
Sdragon or exynos?.
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I would say you should wait until the Note 6 or 7. Or whatever comes next.
This one is still very expensive, and will not get any support whatsoever from now on.
It's a good device, NOW, but it costs so much you could just buy a Nexus 6P for example.
Or a Z5, M10, whatever. You get the point.
BUT, if you are some fanboy, here goes nothing...
Sdragon:
+ Faster 3D performance, better for gaming basically.
+ More roms/kernels. (though none of them will be as complete as stock)
Exynos:
+ Better battery life
+ Faster 2D performance
+ Faster performance (single, multi core)
- Games have crap framerates, see below.
I picked Exynos because I rarely play games.
If you check comparisons on Youtube, it beats Snapdragon by miles in any task, except 3D.
Framerate: Like Asphalt got... 20 or something it's real console like (eww). Modern Combat is also around 25 or so.
Too bad games on Android cannot scale down to 1080p or 720p, there is absolutely no point in having such a huge resolution for a game.
Other points - affects all Note 4:
Screen protectors are hard to find, you have to buy these "full display protectors", because of the curved glass. Just buy it on eBay and you are good.
Do NOT spend too much on cases. I bought Spigen, I bought all kinds of fancy cases. And guess what? The cheapest eBay case is the best. Not even kidding.
Metal cases, even if ONLY the frame is metal/aluminium, WILL BLOCK GPS signal. Not kidding.
When buying a case, make sure it protects the camera bulge.
Cases should have a WIDE left hole on bottom, because the microphone there can be on two positions. Mine is on the right. (SM-N910C)
No updates. MM is the last, we all know that. Even MM will take months to arrive to people.
There is no Theme Store or any new features that came with S6 and so on.
Battery life is not the best, it's around 1 days.
Bonus, you can use extended batteries. But then you lose the thinness of the device, which helps a lot when you carry it around. I have a ZL 10k mAh pack with the belt clip, it's a hassle to use.
Rooting is out of question if you want warranty. And all my Samsung Galaxy/Note devices had issues within the two first years, so I suggest you don't do it. Or get some nice insurance on your device, that might cover you. Or just save up some money, lol.
The list: S3 LTE, Note 2, S4, S4 Mini, Note 2014 10.1, Note 4.
One more thing. You may be able to buy the Snapdragon variant much cheaper. It's around 470$ here, but it's from the "gray market". It's boxed, new, but they only offer repairs by themselves, like you don't send it back to Samsung, but to the shop you bought it from.
Compared to this, the Exynos is 700$ or so. But this one comes with 2 years of original Samsung warranty.
Again, it's not the best solution, but there is a good chance you will not need a warranty repair.

h8Aramex said:
I would say you should wait until the Note 6 or 7. Or whatever comes next.
This one is still very expensive, and will not get any support whatsoever from now on.
It's a good device, NOW, but it costs so much you could just buy a Nexus 6P for example.
Or a Z5, M10, whatever. You get the point.
BUT, if you are some fanboy, here goes nothing...
Sdragon:
+ Faster 3D performance, better for gaming basically.
+ More roms/kernels. (though none of them will be as complete as stock)
Exynos:
+ Better battery life
+ Faster 2D performance
+ Faster performance (single, multi core)
- Games have crap framerates, see below.
I picked Exynos because I rarely play games.
If you check comparisons on Youtube, it beats Snapdragon by miles in any task, except 3D.
Framerate: Like Asphalt got... 20 or something it's real console like (eww). Modern Combat is also around 25 or so.
Too bad games on Android cannot scale down to 1080p or 720p, there is absolutely no point in having such a huge resolution for a game.
Other points - affects all Note 4:
Screen protectors are hard to find, you have to buy these "full display protectors", because of the curved glass. Just buy it on eBay and you are good.
Do NOT spend too much on cases. I bought Spigen, I bought all kinds of fancy cases. And guess what? The cheapest eBay case is the best. Not even kidding.
Metal cases, even if ONLY the frame is metal/aluminium, WILL BLOCK GPS signal. Not kidding.
When buying a case, make sure it protects the camera bulge.
Cases should have a WIDE left hole on bottom, because the microphone there can be on two positions. Mine is on the right. (SM-N910C)
No updates. MM is the last, we all know that. Even MM will take months to arrive to people.
There is no Theme Store or any new features that came with S6 and so on.
Battery life is not the best, it's around 1 days.
Bonus, you can use extended batteries. But then you lose the thinness of the device, which helps a lot when you carry it around. I have a ZL 10k mAh pack with the belt clip, it's a hassle to use.
Rooting is out of question if you want warranty. And all my Samsung Galaxy/Note devices had issues within the two first years, so I suggest you don't do it. Or get some nice insurance on your device, that might cover you. Or just save up some money, lol.
The list: S3 LTE, Note 2, S4, S4 Mini, Note 2014 10.1, Note 4.
One more thing. You may be able to buy the Snapdragon variant much cheaper. It's around 470$ here, but it's from the "gray market". It's boxed, new, but they only offer repairs by themselves, like you don't send it back to Samsung, but to the shop you bought it from.
Compared to this, the Exynos is 700$ or so. But this one comes with 2 years of original Samsung warranty.
Again, it's not the best solution, but there is a good chance you will not need a warranty repair.
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Whoa thanks for information. Look note 4 exynos is 430 dollar for us i think. İ cant wait for note 6 7 because they will be more expensive. And there is one more option to buy galaxy s6 (same price) . i hate sony devices same for htc.
My love is for nexus and samsung. 6p is expensive too.
Right now i got this choices(i am limited on money) (i will buy phone in july)
Xiaomi redmi note 3 pro 3gb
Galaxy Note 4 exynos
Galaxy s6
İ need battery peeformance , camera, multitasking . i dont care about games anyway (i got nexus 5 i can play games on them)
İ dont care about roms too.
Ao which choice should i take?

Ehmedhemidli said:
Whoa thanks for information.
Right now i got this choices(i am limited on money) (i will buy phone in july)
Xiaomi redmi note 3 pro 3gb
Galaxy Note 4 exynos
Galaxy s6
Ao which choice should i take?
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Well, update wise, anything is better than Samsung. (Just check Sammobile's comment section.)
Uhm... I would not buy a Xiaomi because of the bloated interface. That's the problem I have with Lenovo and other Chinese/cheap eastern devices. Like Lenovo put 4gb of ram into their device, made it very affordable, and killed it with a megabighuge UI. I don't know why.
What about the LG G4? (G5 is way too expensive.)
Flagships there receive updates for quite some time, and it's got a removable battery.
Just asking. Don't know about the SD808 performance.
By the way Sony used SD801 Pro in their Z3 series and that thing flies. It feels faster than my Exynos Note 4.
Again if you don't mind the no updates, you might be fine with the Note 4.
Remember years are A LOT of time in the smartphone world, especially if it's not a Nexus that gets updates, can be rooted, can be modded tons of ways.
There are a few roms for Exynos as well if you check the forum - mostly backported Note 5 ones, but I can't remember when was the time I ever used a stable rom. Maybe CM9 with the stable release - was kinda stable. But that's it. To me, it's a big letdown.
Like I am on the street, I have to make an emergency call, and I can't make calls.
I am on the road, need to make a quick map check, but can't because there is no GPS atm.
Want to browse some website real quick, it would be real important, can't because the mobile data is down currently.
And these happened at the most inconvenient times.
Ps.: If you are not real tech savvy, like my father, he is fine on KK. There is a newer update for his device, but on LL the call recorder crashed sometimes, phone lagged, etc. But he does not care, you know, he is totally fine with KK.

h8Aramex said:
Well, update wise, anything is better than Samsung. (Just check Sammobile's comment section.)
Uhm... I would not buy a Xiaomi because of the bloated interface. That's the problem I have with Lenovo and other Chinese/cheap eastern devices. Like Lenovo put 4gb of ram into their device, made it very affordable, and killed it with a megabighuge UI. I don't know why.
What about the LG G4? (G5 is way too expensive.)
Flagships there receive updates for quite some time, and it's got a removable battery.
Just asking. Don't know about the SD808 performance.
By the way Sony used SD801 Pro in their Z3 series and that thing flies. It feels faster than my Exynos Note 4.
Again if you don't mind the no updates, you might be fine with the Note 4.
Remember years are A LOT of time in the smartphone world, especially if it's not a Nexus that gets updates, can be rooted, can be modded tons of ways.
There are a few roms for Exynos as well if you check the forum - mostly backported Note 5 ones, but I can't remember when was the time I ever used a stable rom. Maybe CM9 with the stable release - was kinda stable. But that's it. To me, it's a big letdown.
Like I am on the street, I have to make an emergency call, and I can't make calls.
I am on the road, need to make a quick map check, but can't because there is no GPS atm.
Want to browse some website real quick, it would be real important, can't because the mobile data is down currently.
And these happened at the most inconvenient times.
Ps.: If you are not real tech savvy, like my father, he is fine on KK. There is a newer update for his device, but on LL the call recorder crashed sometimes, phone lagged, etc. But he does not care, you know, he is totally fine with KK.
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İ am confused.
Look. İ need bigger screen.
1 day full battery life (i charge it night, leave gome morning come back home night)
Camera quality
Multitasking without lag
İ dont care bloats or kitkat lollipop small bugs.
There is no phone with bugs anyway

Ehmedhemidli said:
İ am confused.
Look. İ need bigger screen.
1 day full battery life (i charge it night, leave gome morning come back home night)
Camera quality
Multitasking without lag
İ dont care bloats or kitkat lollipop small bugs.
There is no phone with bugs anyway
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Probably get a note 4 exynos and don't upgrade it, stay at kitkat 4.4.x

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Probably get a note 4 exynos and don't upgrade it, stay at kitkat 4.4.x
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Thanks. That will do

Would you buy 2014 Galaxy S5 or 2016 flagship chinesse phone ?

mostly all of my phones were chinesse brands (big brands) so i am quite familiar with them and love them but as you may know the support on roms is a little bit limited because they are not open source , but even with that the manufacturers are upgrading for at least one android version upwards
so basically thats why i am in dilemma because of those 2 things
better support and the beautiful Amoled screen which most chinesse brands are not using
so my budget is around 200 pounds (GBP)
i dont know if i should get the Samsung s5 (upgradable to android 6.0) which i can find for that price on ebay or wait and get a phone with the new Mediatek Helio x20 processor which is 2016
only thing i dont like with the Samsung s5 is the battery which is like 2800mah and now there are some chinesse brands like Oukitel that are making 6000mah batteries
so at the moment cannot decide Galaxy s5 or Oukitel k6000 Pro which is like 130 pounds but that battery is soooo eye catching
or wait for Oukitel k6000 premium which should come with amoled display but not sure if it would exceed my 200 pounds limit
if you are familiar with chinesse brands phones share your thoughts what would you get and why
here is a comparision of the 3 phones mentioned
http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/comparison/4e4176268

6000mAh battery in a Chinese phone is probably 2000mAh fake
S5 every time

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6000mAh battery in a Chinese phone is probably 2000mAh fake
S5 every time
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nono Oukitel is very popular brand because of their big battery phones
this is not a lie there are plenty of videos on the internet that are proving that they are not fake
in case you want to see it there is a teardown already made and you can see the huuuuge battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/oukitel-k6000-disassembly-t3310779

mite_jan said:
nono Oukitel is very popular brand because of their big battery phones
this is not a lie there are plenty of videos on the internet that are proving that they are not fake
in case you want to see it there is a teardown already made and you can see the huuuuge battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/oukitel-k6000-disassembly-t3310779
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Hey folks,
Before I chip in my two cents, I want to state that this is an opinion and my facts could be wrong. Please feel free to correct me at any time, but this is my general understanding on battery tech -
Batteries using current tech simply cannot be larger capacity at the same physical size. IMO (again, may be incorrect) these budget chinese brands simply won't have the funding to use any "forward" or "advanced" tech to enable higher capacity in smaller size so the trade off is either larger/thicker phone - OR as is the case in a lot of these chinese brands - a straight up lie on the capacity of the battery (6000mAH instead of 2000mAH doesn't sound unreasonable). Make sure you check, check and check again on the battery capacity before taking that as the truth. If the phone is similar size to the S5 (I haven't checked dimensions), chances are you'd be buying a relatively similar sized battery within the device. Certainly not (again, unless more expensive tech is used/created) a battery pretty much double the capacity.
Secondly - my opinion on which will be better.
2 years in tech is like 20 years in most industries in terms of how quickly things advance. Look at the change from the S3 to the S5 (or the S5 to the S7). Things (technologically speaking, lets leave design preferences to the side) there have been massive leaps in terms of the processors, battery handling capabilities, screen tech, general efficiency, cameras etc etc. The chinese "cheap" phone is likely to be as-good if not better than the S5 in most, if not all of these areas. Maybe not so much the camera, because Samsung being a company that also produces cameras has the technical know-how to make this a great area.
That been said though..
Support from developers will be short lived and small, if at all.
Future updates will either not happen - or happen once, twice if you're lucky.
If you break it, parts can be hard to source as you'll be likely to struggle to find someone that can or is willing to put their hands on and repair it.
General build quality will be comparitively worse (and yes I am referencing this against the S5 which isn't exactly known for it's general build quality).
My honest opinon - go with the S5. It's had 2 years to mature to what it is now and the dev backing is huge. Depending on the ROM you choose, battery life is likely to be amazing (in fact it'll probably be at least GOOD, regardless of ROM). The camera, generally speaking, is incredible in well lit scenarios and more than acceptable in low light scenarios. The video recording is still absolutely fantastic in comparison to other phones on the market today.
I'll update this once I've read up on the phone you're looking to buy. I own a mobile phone repair company and as a result I get a good idea of what a phone will be like from its specs etc so I'll have a gander.
>>Edit as promised.
Right based on what I can see, that phone is clearly designed based on the iPhone 5/5S model that Apple released. Not a bad thing at all, that phone is gorgeous, just saying...
It does however look pretty.. big. It looks to me to be pretty thick and that leads to me believe that their claim for the battery size is actually true. The battery appears to be taller and wider than that in the S5, plus likely is to be thicker due to the space they have in the phone.
I'm sticking to my original recommendation but that does at least clarify the claims of the battery size. You'll no doubt be happy with your choice either way though - but the S5 DOES and WILL have a much larger developer backing for a lot longer, and thats purely due to the popularity of the S5.

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Hey folks,
Before I chip in my two cents, I want to state that this is an opinion and my facts could be wrong. Please feel free to correct me at any time, but this is my general understanding on battery tech -
Batteries using current tech simply cannot be larger capacity at the same physical size. IMO (again, may be incorrect) these budget chinese brands simply won't have the funding to use any "forward" or "advanced" tech to enable higher capacity in smaller size so the trade off is either larger/thicker phone - OR as is the case in a lot of these chinese brands - a straight up lie on the capacity of the battery (6000mAH instead of 2000mAH doesn't sound unreasonable). Make sure you check, check and check again on the battery capacity before taking that as the truth. If the phone is similar size to the S5 (I haven't checked dimensions), chances are you'd be buying a relatively similar sized battery within the device. Certainly not (again, unless more expensive tech is used/created) a battery pretty much double the capacity.
Secondly - my opinion on which will be better.
2 years in tech is like 20 years in most industries in terms of how quickly things advance. Look at the change from the S3 to the S5 (or the S5 to the S7). Things (technologically speaking, lets leave design preferences to the side) there have been massive leaps in terms of the processors, battery handling capabilities, screen tech, general efficiency, cameras etc etc. The chinese "cheap" phone is likely to be as-good if not better than the S5 in most, if not all of these areas. Maybe not so much the camera, because Samsung being a company that also produces cameras has the technical know-how to make this a great area.
That been said though..
Support from developers will be short lived and small, if at all.
Future updates will either not happen - or happen once, twice if you're lucky.
If you break it, parts can be hard to source as you'll be likely to struggle to find someone that can or is willing to put their hands on and repair it.
General build quality will be comparitively worse (and yes I am referencing this against the S5 which isn't exactly known for it's general build quality).
My honest opinon - go with the S5. It's had 2 years to mature to what it is now and the dev backing is huge. Depending on the ROM you choose, battery life is likely to be amazing (in fact it'll probably be at least GOOD, regardless of ROM). The camera, generally speaking, is incredible in well lit scenarios and more than acceptable in low light scenarios. The video recording is still absolutely fantastic in comparison to other phones on the market today.
I'll update this once I've read up on the phone you're looking to buy. I own a mobile phone repair company and as a result I get a good idea of what a phone will be like from its specs etc so I'll have a gander.
>>Edit as promised.
Right based on what I can see, that phone is clearly designed based on the iPhone 5/5S model that Apple released. Not a bad thing at all, that phone is gorgeous, just saying...
It does however look pretty.. big. It looks to me to be pretty thick and that leads to me believe that their claim for the battery size is actually true. The battery appears to be taller and wider than that in the S5, plus likely is to be thicker due to the space they have in the phone.
I'm sticking to my original recommendation but that does at least clarify the claims of the battery size. You'll no doubt be happy with your choice either way though - but the S5 DOES and WILL have a much larger developer backing for a lot longer, and thats purely due to the popularity of the S5.
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dude have you seen the size of that battery ?
it is like the whole phone fat
so yes it is definitelly if not 6000mah at least 5500mah
if not check the post where i posted the teardown pictures
i agree to the fact that in same size you cannot squeaze more mah but this is lot bigger in size

mite_jan said:
dude have you seen the size of that battery ?
it is like the whole phone fat
so yes it is definitelly if not 6000mah at least 5500mah
if not check the post where i posted the teardown pictures
i agree to the fact that in same size you cannot squeaze more mah but this is lot bigger in size
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I put my response on without looking at the phone itself, so no - I hadn't seen the size of it.
Basically to me that phone would be a step BACKWARDS in terms of design and build quality. Save yourself the hassle, get the S5.

yetep said:
I put my response on without looking at the phone itself, so no - I hadn't seen the size of it.
Basically to me that phone would be a step BACKWARDS in terms of design and build quality. Save yourself the hassle, get the S5.
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i get it that you like most of the people are not into chinesse tech and that is fine but dont criticise before checking
so let me save you the checking
k6000 pro uses the sony imx214 sensor which can be found in Nexus 6 , Sony Xperia Z2
maybe not the same software camera optimization like those brands but pictures should be close
i have owned previously chinesse phone with same sensor and pictures were perfect (Jiayu s3)
the processor and GPU are not its best side they are midrange but good enought
like i said the only thing i like in the Galaxy S5 is the amoled display and support , but i believe there wont be any official support after marshmallow for the S5 (and we all know how good are the future unofficial ports)
for the K6000 pro there is more possibilities that it will get Android Nuts, Nesquick, Nutella or whatever it is going to be called
actually i like metal designs more on phones so i dont see it as step backwards
i think i will wait for the premium version of Oukitel K6000 with the flagship Helio x20 processor and Amoled screen and if it is going to be around 200 pounds i will buy that one without thinking
anyway thanks for your opinion

mite_jan said:
i get it that you like most of the people are not into chinesse tech and that is fine but dont criticise before checking
so let me save you the checking
k6000 pro uses the sony imx214 sensor which can be found in Nexus 6 , Sony Xperia Z2
maybe not the same software camera optimization like those brands but pictures should be close
i have owned previously chinesse phone with same sensor and pictures were perfect (Jiayu s3)
the processor and GPU are not its best side they are midrange but good enought
like i said the only thing i like in the Galaxy S5 is the amoled display and support , but i believe there wont be any official support after marshmallow for the S5 (and we all know how good are the future unofficial ports)
for the K6000 pro there is more possibilities that it will get Android Nuts, Nesquick, Nutella or whatever it is going to be called
actually i like metal designs more on phones so i dont see it as step backwards
i think i will wait for the premium version of Oukitel K6000 with the flagship Helio x20 processor and Amoled screen and if it is going to be around 200 pounds i will buy that one without thinking
anyway thanks for your opinion
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Sounds like you've made up your own mind. Enjoy the phone.
> Side note, I am very much into chinese tech. In fact, if it werent for the longevity of Samsung I would tell you to go with the other option but basic facts are facts - the alternative will last 6 months, tops.

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Sounds like you've made up your own mind. Enjoy the phone.
> Side note, I am very much into chinese tech. In fact, if it werent for the longevity of Samsung I would tell you to go with the other option but basic facts are facts - the alternative will last 6 months, tops.
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still havent decided because i want phone quickly and this Oukitel k6000 premium version is going to be on the market maybe after 2,3 months
so still considering the Samsung s5 and at the same time for some other branded phone with Helio x20

purchawice galaxy s5 (exynos vs snapdragon)
Hi,
I have the opportunity to buy galaxy s5, which select the versions: snapdragon801 or exynos5422? which is better?
please help,
I greet

Note 7 Nobuy

so we get a 1 year old hardware in the N7 and a 100 mh battery less then the edge , same camera , ****ty irish scanner no need at all , and some software added that can be ported probably to N5 and N4 . who else going to wait for another great deal maybe like V20 ?

Yeah, doesn't matter what new it brings, what matters is its still better than anything out there isn't it? First phone with Gorilla Glass 5, first Note with water resistant S Pen too, I don't care about that IRIS scanner nor know how fast/reliably it works, new pressure sensitive S Pen. Samsung knows quite well that it will be still the best phone even with one year old hardware and that's why they released it like that, people will still buy it. More profit they are making, more greedy they are becoming, that happens with almost all corporate conglomerates, let alone the largest mobile manufacturer of the world. At the end of the day, Note 7 will still sell in millions, I myself would like to buy it, if it weren't for the expensive pricing I would have as simple as that.
LG V20? Seriously? One of the worst phone makers in the history! Even I trust OnePlus better than them!

SM-N9300 variant looks nice Wonder when I can get my hand on one.
Snapdragon 820
Dual Sim
6gb ram 128gb internal storage
Unlocked Bootloader

saifullah90 said:
irish scanner no need at all
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I don't know.... might be handy being able to scan for those Irish people!
j/k :silly:

I actually like the idea of the iris scanner for unlocking the device. It adds another layer of security that is allot harder to defeat, unless somebody takes you eyes out of your head. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Exynos variant will perform.

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Yeah, doesn't matter what new it brings, what matters is its still better than anything out there isn't it? First phone with Gorilla Glass 5, first Note with water resistant S Pen too, I don't care about that IRIS scanner nor know how fast/reliably it works, new pressure sensitive S Pen. Samsung knows quite well that it will be still the best phone even with one year old hardware and that's why they released it like that, people will still buy it. More profit they are making, more greedy they are becoming, that happens with almost all corporate conglomerates, let alone the largest mobile manufacturer of the world. At the end of the day, Note 7 will still sell in millions, I myself would like to buy it, if it weren't for the expensive pricing I would have as simple as that.
LG V20? Seriously? One of the worst phone makers in the history! Even I trust OnePlus better than them!
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i will likely wait for the V20 and see what it brings to the table , all these features i really dont care about , the waterRes. and all these small tweaks here and there , the only things that matter is I buy a new phone and i want everything to be new not old new . i will definitely wait for another great deal from other companies , samsung doing a great job just not great enough they are becoming like apple and that pissing me off becouse i supported the brand for a long time.

I personally would love the note 7 and imo possibly the best phone of 2016 so far. Can't really think of anything to hate about it. Sure it's got old hardware in it but in all honesty even my note 4 is still fast enough pretty sure the note 7 will be more than adequate speed wise let's face it how fast do you want apps to load when is fast, fast enough? Iris scanner I'm on the fence about pretty cool thing to have I guess especially in the winter if you have gloves on and can't use the finger print scanner but depends how fast it works though from what I've seen from hands on reviews it's pretty quick. Some people are complaining that Samsung didn't bother changing the design but they near enough nailed the design of phones with the S6 let alone the note 7 can't see how they can improve it except make it thinner which thin phones will be crap as they would be hard to hold and you're limiting battery size.
Samsung aren't becoming like apple at all well maybe a bit but they haven't yet started charging people for an additional stuff like adaptors for example plus they add features to their devices which are actually useful best apple has done is force touch and even that is pretty crap imo. Not to mention everything was pretty decent with the S7/S7 edge so can't even see how Samsung will top the S7 and note 7 next year except maybe up the megapixels on the camera and add a 4k screen which is still fairly pointless to have until devs make apps with 4k resolution. Only other thing they can improve on is hardware in terms of ram, cpu and gpu but again how much power do you actually need in a phone?

mikesaa309 said:
I personally would love the note 7 and imo possibly the best phone of 2016 so far. Can't really think of anything to hate about it. Sure it's got old hardware in it but in all honesty even my note 4 is still fast enough pretty sure the note 7 will be more than adequate speed wise let's face it how fast do you want apps to load when is fast, fast enough? Iris scanner I'm on the fence about pretty cool thing to have I guess especially in the winter if you have gloves on and can't use the finger print scanner but depends how fast it works though from what I've seen from hands on reviews it's pretty quick. Some people are complaining that Samsung didn't bother changing the design but they near enough nailed the design of phones with the S6 let alone the note 7 can't see how they can improve it except make it thinner which thin phones will be crap as they would be hard to hold and you're limiting battery size.
Samsung aren't becoming like apple at all well maybe a bit but they haven't yet started charging people for an additional stuff like adaptors for example plus they add features to their devices which are actually useful best apple has done is force touch and even that is pretty crap imo. Not to mention everything was pretty decent with the S7/S7 edge so can't even see how Samsung will top the S7 and note 7 next year except maybe up the megapixels on the camera and add a 4k screen which is still fairly pointless to have until devs make apps with 4k resolution. Only other thing they can improve on is hardware in terms of ram, cpu and gpu but again how much power do you actually need in a phone?
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well the S7 are pretty fast my sister have one and i've played for a while and i can tell you it a rocket fast, but again it's a 1 year old hardware you pay full price for it, if they just replaced the 820 with a 821 i know it only 10% performance increase better but at least i get the feeling of a new hardware likewise for the gpu and ram , chines are getting a 6GB of ram why not the rest of the world ? , i just think they ****ed it op for us geeks for a normale person he dont care about spec.

when there was rumors for 4000mAh battery and 6gb of ram, ir blaster along with good audio amplifier. i was ready to buy it ones it gets released. but when launching dates coming near we started getting news for 3500mAh and no ir blaster and only 4gb of ram, still i haven't loosed my hope that its just the rumor, but when it confirms all this. i said its not worth to upgrade from Note 4 to Note 5 or 7.
because still i have removable battery, ir blaster, expandable memory and decent camera.
i'll wait for next note to get hands on.

For me a Note 7 is a very decent device with respectable specs we already know why samsung skipped the snapdragon 821 and 823 simply because it's still not well tested yet and they already made mistake before with the 810. Adding 4k display is pointless for 5.7 inch display, i was hoping for bigger battery more than the other specs but (the wireless charging battery case is awesome ). Like dude come on it's 2016 only a few devices remained with removable battery so we are definitely can get use to it and can live without it.
SD card check
Gorilla glass 5 check
A great camera check
In general, just know that this phone is quite expensive. In india it cost around 1000$ to 1200$
Other countries like UAE cost around 900$. Europe cost almost the same like india so i might wait for a 3 to 5 month at least to get the phone in respectful price
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saifullah90 said:
well the S7 are pretty fast my sister have one and i've played for a while and i can tell you it a rocket fast, but again it's a 1 year old hardware you pay full price for it, if they just replaced the 820 with a 821 i know it only 10% performance increase better but at least i get the feeling of a new hardware likewise for the gpu and ram , chines are getting a 6GB of ram why not the rest of the world ? , i just think they ****ed it op for us geeks for a normale person he dont care about spec.
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Guess would be nice to have 6gb of RAm and the newer 821 but think phones now are fast enough it's not like they need to be more powerful to play high end games like GTA 5 or Fallout 4 etc, nor would you need that power to do things like photo editing or 3D modelling as that would just be crap on a phone. I can't see why any phone would need 6gb of RAM only thing I'd like to see hardware wise now is a bigger battery but even that's limited soon we'll have phone manufacturers making phones thicker again just to add bigger batteries unless someone comes up with the technology to have like 4000 mah in a button cell sized battery.

S10+ vs. Note 9 which will last longer?

Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?

No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.

Corv0 said:
No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.
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Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???

androidbadboy said:
Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???
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What happened to your S8?

Corv0 said:
What happened to your S8?
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When I updated trough OTA from Android 8.0 with Samsung Exp. to Android 9 Pie + One UI the pros: battery consumption went at least 3 times(!!!) the cons: S8 started lagging, microfreezing, isntt as smooth and speedy as its used to be, despite:
- very low amount of foreign apps that I installed since buying
- frequent restarts of phone as recommended
- phone has never been rooter or custom rommed

I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The note has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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Davey Dual Sim said:
I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The not has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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+! thanks points! for You!
The info about Note and S9 and eye-stare will be helpful.
How about when I use a S9 with a stylus pen instead of a finger?
As for deliberate slowing down pf phones..... I like Your attitude although I don't agree with your point of view cause when You really look at the bigger picture not only from Samsung's stand point but other brands, Google as Android manufactuer, the early 1900's story of bulbs, modern cars, everything and you return later form this wide picture to Samsung''s perspective with all that's been happening everywhere a person that is well oriented in mobile stuff and can even do some tests by himself can CLEARly see that phones are deliberately being slown down. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge for instance could handle Android Pie with ease as well much more next ones if it weren't for that sad practice - of course AS LONG AS there would be no new hardware required new software feature(s) without which the Android future release would loose it's main event special funcionality.
However. I would like to hear what You and other have to say about it, cause I can see that people here make very interesting points and not often a major myth is being discovered thanks to our conversations.
Please enjoy and come in everyone

BTW is norma S10 without PLUS even a contender for Note9?

Kind people of XDA hellp me make a decision please. Write what you think

Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!

I have both devices. Battery better on the S10+. Screen better. Speed faster. Unlocks quicker and easier for me, lighter, thinner, sound is much louder , camera gas the wife mode, selfie is better. The only thing I am [not] missing is the s pen.

I had the note 9, and just got my s10 plus yesterday. There is absolutely no comparison camera wise. My note 9 was horrendous, and in any sunny out door setting it would blow out the highlights and over expose. The hdr function was **** too. S10 plus is the best phone I've ever used

I have both also but Ive only had the S10 plus for a few days so I cant make a detailed comparison yet.
What I will say is the ultrasonic fingerprint scanner on the S10 needs more development..its terrible.
Hardly ever unlocks the first try and is slow when it does unlock. My Note 9 unlocks the first time every time and is instant.
Im sure sammy will improve the function with software updates but even after a few days the S10 plus is annoying me due to this.
I also miss being able to use face unlock on the S10 due to having to wear surgical gloves at work it is handy at tines, they really should have left the retina scanner on the device.
Unlocking your phone is a basic function and should work flawlessly, its just not there yet on the S10 IMO.

@ekerbuddyeker @sstanton86 @force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?

androidbadboy said:
@[email protected]@force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?
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Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.

force70 said:
Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.
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"nitpicking" - maybe you thought of not picking.
The reason I mentioned Note8 is that I just want to expriance that phone for a while and probably sell it after 3 months or who knows, everyone claims that I could get addicted to Note and never buy anything else....
I will test a bunch of flagships from many brands like Huawei, Samsung, LG, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and then decide which is the one for me. I bet it could be a Note vs. S10+ vs. a ..... Xiaomi (!!!!)

androidbadboy said:
Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!
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Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.

Corv0 said:
Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.
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+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?

androidbadboy said:
+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?
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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.

Corv0 said:
That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.
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1. Since Note's are business phones I think Samsung will give them longer time for security patches and probably +1 more Android update in compare with the Galaxy S series.
2. Note's are for businessman and You might think that they will change it every September for a new one cause they can simply afford it but I strangely enough they somehow get used to one and stay on him. I witnessed a guy that came down to the mall's electronic shop with the best Samsung device ever (Note 4) and with sad face told the sellers that he thinks it's time to change his Note4 for a newer Note because ........ damn I can't remember that cause I was so shocked.
3. Business man don't really care about having the best or latest phone. The don't have the teens or women's addiction to shopping and having everything new.
4. Businessman have a lot more on their heads than worry about a phone and I think that Samsung realizes it and that's why a Note would win in terms of longevity with a Galaxy S.
5. I am the kind of man that will not get screen burned out - too long story. Just believe me that this argument is not for me.
6.. Now it's up to which Note shall I buy. Cause S10+ will be bought eventually during 12to24 months.
7. Note8 is so cheap that I could make my dreams come true and test every brand like I mentioned a couple of posts before.
8. Please don't give up and try to fight for Note9 or Note8 or against them., cause if I don't buy any of them I could quicker roll over the competition phones by saving the money that I have for Note8/Note9.