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What to buy: LG, HTC X+, Note II

First I could not buy a G3 because the rounded corners was something I could not live with. The corners on the Note 2 are NOT rounded as much, and with a Otterbox case will be not as noticeable. The specs on the note 2 are almost perfect. The PPI is a bit lower but what I've been reading not that noticible.
The LG Optimus G has a PPI of 440 and I am sure the screen will appear much finer and crisper. The negative aspects of the Optimus G however could be a bit scarry...bad support, and a bad reputation for not supporting their phones.
The HTC One X+ specs are not very clear at this point, so it is an unknown at this point. The One X was inviting to me style wise, but the phone does NOT multitask, add in a non removeable battery and no card slot, and you have to run the other way. The update to Jelly Bean may fix the multitasking issue, but that remains to be seen.
One the Note's plus side, we also have a removeable battery, and a 64gb SD card slot, a notification LED,and NON PENTILE amoled display, 2 gigs of RAM, quadcore processor, all of which makes it quite inviting. I really cant think of any negative aspects to the phone at this point.
I've been on my Atrix 4G since March of 2011 and it has served me well. I got the Nexus 7 and that has satisfied my tablet craving for sure. The Nexus 7 has a LAG ISSUE which I assume google will address and fix at some point.
Switching between my Atrix with its 4" screen, and the Nexus' 7" screen is interesting. My Atrix actually runs smoother and so upgrading the phone to something a little bigger, faster, and better is very critical to me.
We may not know exactly what the negative aspects of the Note 2 are until it is released. I learned a hard lesson with the Nexus 7. With all the hype and great reviews of it, NOONE mentioned the lag issues and other quirks. If the Note performs and feels as good as I think it will, I may sell the Nexus 7 if the wife doesnt want it .
So really the main point here is I wouldnt preorder ANYTHING anymore until it is relased to the public and vetted because everyone, the companies, the reviewers, the magazines, all want to hype everything to death, even before it is released, AND there has only been ONE main report on the serious NEXUS LAG ISSUE even months after it has been released and well known. What I can say for sure is that I'll never buy an Iphone.

Depends what you are after and use your phone for, but all 3 seems they will be very nice on their own way.
I always get all new phones and normally use 2 phones at a time, one for daily use and one play phone. In the end i always end up using phones i thought I should use last.
Like now after a good while on s3 i did go back to my HoX as I just like that screen and feeling of the phone..
But the device i really want is Lumia 920 tho, but till that comes I for sure gonna give note2 and ip5 and other nice devices a shot..
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I was all for the Optimus G initially. The "poor support" thing did concern me but I figured the devs on xda would more than cover that. I could even just about tolerate the non removable battery.. But the lack of an SD card slot just killed it. I bought a 64GB Micro SD not long ago and I wouldn't have any use for it.
The HOX+ looked interesting too but just like the LGOG, the lack of expandable memory is a deal breaker for me.
That left the GNote2.. Big screen, RBG as opposed to pentile, user-replaceable battery (I have an extended battery in my GS2 now), more than ample internals for what I plan to use it for, it's a Sammy flagship (good support), and of course, expandable memory.
Imho, the GNote2 is the way to go, but of course, that's just me
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I think i will buy Note 2, for bigger display and spen. Gonna give my HOX for my wife.
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Btw here's my Atrix screenshot. Can't wait to see in on the Note
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Btw here's my Atrix screenshot. Can't wait to see in on the Note
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Whoa that screen
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does the Note2 have in-cell touch screen like the LG?

mojo22 said:
does the Note2 have in-cell touch screen like the LG?
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no. For now only the optimus G and iPhone 5 are using that tech (actually it's 2 different techs with the same name)

when is this lg phone coming out?

Note 2 definetly

randoug said:
when is this lg phone coming out?
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November in the US so it must be around the same time of the international version (if not sooner).

Galaxy Note II:angel:

CreepyDroid said:
no. For now only the optimus G and iPhone 5 are using that tech (actually it's 2 different techs with the same name)
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I think the xperia v too.
....was looking forward to that tech.

I am buying Note 2 so I never have to worry about having a tablet.
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the nexus five by htc looks amazing.
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The note 2 is a different type of smartphone because it's a hybrid between tablet and phone, that's why I'm getting it so I can have the best of both worlds
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I'm getting the Note II...soon. The LG Optimus G has amazing specs. That processor may be faster than the Exynos 5250 when it comes out. It will undoubtedly the fastest processor until then. We'll just have to wait and see. But after much research, there are so many people saying they'll never buy LG phones again and they regret buying it. 2 years is a long time to live with buyer's remorse. Phone looks great, but the warning screams are too loud to ignore.
The HTC One X+, I thought for a long time that people who used the HTC One X absolutely loved their phones, and I think this is still true. However, I have followed some users who have the privilege of owning both HTC One X and Galaxy S3 who have given equal face time with both phones, and the it is clear the HTC One X has flaws with how their multitasking is implemented that it unnecessarily wares on your patience, time, and battery power. If you don't own both devices, you probably don't know what you are missing.
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Lucidmike said:
I'm getting the Note II...soon. The LG Optimus G has amazing specs. That processor may be faster than the Exynos 5250 when it comes out. It will undoubtedly the fastest processor until then. We'll just have to wait and see. But after much research, there are so many people saying they'll never buy LG phones again and they regret buying it. 2 years is a long time to live with buyer's remorse. Phone looks great, but the warning screams are too loud to ignore.
The HTC One X+, I thought for a long time that people who used the HTC One X absolutely loved their phones, and I think this is still true. However, I have followed some users who have the privilege of owning both HTC One X and Galaxy S3 who have given equal face time with both phones, and the it is clear the HTC One X has flaws with how their multitasking is implemented that it unnecessarily wares on your patience, time, and battery power. If you don't own both devices, you probably don't know what you are missing.
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Yes stay away from LG, i have the G2x and yes while on paper its a great device the lack support from LG and 0 support from nvidia has left the first dual core phone in the states still running gingerbread unless you want to run ICS with no video drivers.

Would you buy 2014 Galaxy S5 or 2016 flagship chinesse phone ?

mostly all of my phones were chinesse brands (big brands) so i am quite familiar with them and love them but as you may know the support on roms is a little bit limited because they are not open source , but even with that the manufacturers are upgrading for at least one android version upwards
so basically thats why i am in dilemma because of those 2 things
better support and the beautiful Amoled screen which most chinesse brands are not using
so my budget is around 200 pounds (GBP)
i dont know if i should get the Samsung s5 (upgradable to android 6.0) which i can find for that price on ebay or wait and get a phone with the new Mediatek Helio x20 processor which is 2016
only thing i dont like with the Samsung s5 is the battery which is like 2800mah and now there are some chinesse brands like Oukitel that are making 6000mah batteries
so at the moment cannot decide Galaxy s5 or Oukitel k6000 Pro which is like 130 pounds but that battery is soooo eye catching
or wait for Oukitel k6000 premium which should come with amoled display but not sure if it would exceed my 200 pounds limit
if you are familiar with chinesse brands phones share your thoughts what would you get and why
here is a comparision of the 3 phones mentioned
http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/comparison/4e4176268

6000mAh battery in a Chinese phone is probably 2000mAh fake
S5 every time

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6000mAh battery in a Chinese phone is probably 2000mAh fake
S5 every time
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nono Oukitel is very popular brand because of their big battery phones
this is not a lie there are plenty of videos on the internet that are proving that they are not fake
in case you want to see it there is a teardown already made and you can see the huuuuge battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/oukitel-k6000-disassembly-t3310779

mite_jan said:
nono Oukitel is very popular brand because of their big battery phones
this is not a lie there are plenty of videos on the internet that are proving that they are not fake
in case you want to see it there is a teardown already made and you can see the huuuuge battery
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/oukitel-k6000-disassembly-t3310779
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Hey folks,
Before I chip in my two cents, I want to state that this is an opinion and my facts could be wrong. Please feel free to correct me at any time, but this is my general understanding on battery tech -
Batteries using current tech simply cannot be larger capacity at the same physical size. IMO (again, may be incorrect) these budget chinese brands simply won't have the funding to use any "forward" or "advanced" tech to enable higher capacity in smaller size so the trade off is either larger/thicker phone - OR as is the case in a lot of these chinese brands - a straight up lie on the capacity of the battery (6000mAH instead of 2000mAH doesn't sound unreasonable). Make sure you check, check and check again on the battery capacity before taking that as the truth. If the phone is similar size to the S5 (I haven't checked dimensions), chances are you'd be buying a relatively similar sized battery within the device. Certainly not (again, unless more expensive tech is used/created) a battery pretty much double the capacity.
Secondly - my opinion on which will be better.
2 years in tech is like 20 years in most industries in terms of how quickly things advance. Look at the change from the S3 to the S5 (or the S5 to the S7). Things (technologically speaking, lets leave design preferences to the side) there have been massive leaps in terms of the processors, battery handling capabilities, screen tech, general efficiency, cameras etc etc. The chinese "cheap" phone is likely to be as-good if not better than the S5 in most, if not all of these areas. Maybe not so much the camera, because Samsung being a company that also produces cameras has the technical know-how to make this a great area.
That been said though..
Support from developers will be short lived and small, if at all.
Future updates will either not happen - or happen once, twice if you're lucky.
If you break it, parts can be hard to source as you'll be likely to struggle to find someone that can or is willing to put their hands on and repair it.
General build quality will be comparitively worse (and yes I am referencing this against the S5 which isn't exactly known for it's general build quality).
My honest opinon - go with the S5. It's had 2 years to mature to what it is now and the dev backing is huge. Depending on the ROM you choose, battery life is likely to be amazing (in fact it'll probably be at least GOOD, regardless of ROM). The camera, generally speaking, is incredible in well lit scenarios and more than acceptable in low light scenarios. The video recording is still absolutely fantastic in comparison to other phones on the market today.
I'll update this once I've read up on the phone you're looking to buy. I own a mobile phone repair company and as a result I get a good idea of what a phone will be like from its specs etc so I'll have a gander.
>>Edit as promised.
Right based on what I can see, that phone is clearly designed based on the iPhone 5/5S model that Apple released. Not a bad thing at all, that phone is gorgeous, just saying...
It does however look pretty.. big. It looks to me to be pretty thick and that leads to me believe that their claim for the battery size is actually true. The battery appears to be taller and wider than that in the S5, plus likely is to be thicker due to the space they have in the phone.
I'm sticking to my original recommendation but that does at least clarify the claims of the battery size. You'll no doubt be happy with your choice either way though - but the S5 DOES and WILL have a much larger developer backing for a lot longer, and thats purely due to the popularity of the S5.

yetep said:
Hey folks,
Before I chip in my two cents, I want to state that this is an opinion and my facts could be wrong. Please feel free to correct me at any time, but this is my general understanding on battery tech -
Batteries using current tech simply cannot be larger capacity at the same physical size. IMO (again, may be incorrect) these budget chinese brands simply won't have the funding to use any "forward" or "advanced" tech to enable higher capacity in smaller size so the trade off is either larger/thicker phone - OR as is the case in a lot of these chinese brands - a straight up lie on the capacity of the battery (6000mAH instead of 2000mAH doesn't sound unreasonable). Make sure you check, check and check again on the battery capacity before taking that as the truth. If the phone is similar size to the S5 (I haven't checked dimensions), chances are you'd be buying a relatively similar sized battery within the device. Certainly not (again, unless more expensive tech is used/created) a battery pretty much double the capacity.
Secondly - my opinion on which will be better.
2 years in tech is like 20 years in most industries in terms of how quickly things advance. Look at the change from the S3 to the S5 (or the S5 to the S7). Things (technologically speaking, lets leave design preferences to the side) there have been massive leaps in terms of the processors, battery handling capabilities, screen tech, general efficiency, cameras etc etc. The chinese "cheap" phone is likely to be as-good if not better than the S5 in most, if not all of these areas. Maybe not so much the camera, because Samsung being a company that also produces cameras has the technical know-how to make this a great area.
That been said though..
Support from developers will be short lived and small, if at all.
Future updates will either not happen - or happen once, twice if you're lucky.
If you break it, parts can be hard to source as you'll be likely to struggle to find someone that can or is willing to put their hands on and repair it.
General build quality will be comparitively worse (and yes I am referencing this against the S5 which isn't exactly known for it's general build quality).
My honest opinon - go with the S5. It's had 2 years to mature to what it is now and the dev backing is huge. Depending on the ROM you choose, battery life is likely to be amazing (in fact it'll probably be at least GOOD, regardless of ROM). The camera, generally speaking, is incredible in well lit scenarios and more than acceptable in low light scenarios. The video recording is still absolutely fantastic in comparison to other phones on the market today.
I'll update this once I've read up on the phone you're looking to buy. I own a mobile phone repair company and as a result I get a good idea of what a phone will be like from its specs etc so I'll have a gander.
>>Edit as promised.
Right based on what I can see, that phone is clearly designed based on the iPhone 5/5S model that Apple released. Not a bad thing at all, that phone is gorgeous, just saying...
It does however look pretty.. big. It looks to me to be pretty thick and that leads to me believe that their claim for the battery size is actually true. The battery appears to be taller and wider than that in the S5, plus likely is to be thicker due to the space they have in the phone.
I'm sticking to my original recommendation but that does at least clarify the claims of the battery size. You'll no doubt be happy with your choice either way though - but the S5 DOES and WILL have a much larger developer backing for a lot longer, and thats purely due to the popularity of the S5.
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dude have you seen the size of that battery ?
it is like the whole phone fat
so yes it is definitelly if not 6000mah at least 5500mah
if not check the post where i posted the teardown pictures
i agree to the fact that in same size you cannot squeaze more mah but this is lot bigger in size

mite_jan said:
dude have you seen the size of that battery ?
it is like the whole phone fat
so yes it is definitelly if not 6000mah at least 5500mah
if not check the post where i posted the teardown pictures
i agree to the fact that in same size you cannot squeaze more mah but this is lot bigger in size
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I put my response on without looking at the phone itself, so no - I hadn't seen the size of it.
Basically to me that phone would be a step BACKWARDS in terms of design and build quality. Save yourself the hassle, get the S5.

yetep said:
I put my response on without looking at the phone itself, so no - I hadn't seen the size of it.
Basically to me that phone would be a step BACKWARDS in terms of design and build quality. Save yourself the hassle, get the S5.
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i get it that you like most of the people are not into chinesse tech and that is fine but dont criticise before checking
so let me save you the checking
k6000 pro uses the sony imx214 sensor which can be found in Nexus 6 , Sony Xperia Z2
maybe not the same software camera optimization like those brands but pictures should be close
i have owned previously chinesse phone with same sensor and pictures were perfect (Jiayu s3)
the processor and GPU are not its best side they are midrange but good enought
like i said the only thing i like in the Galaxy S5 is the amoled display and support , but i believe there wont be any official support after marshmallow for the S5 (and we all know how good are the future unofficial ports)
for the K6000 pro there is more possibilities that it will get Android Nuts, Nesquick, Nutella or whatever it is going to be called
actually i like metal designs more on phones so i dont see it as step backwards
i think i will wait for the premium version of Oukitel K6000 with the flagship Helio x20 processor and Amoled screen and if it is going to be around 200 pounds i will buy that one without thinking
anyway thanks for your opinion

mite_jan said:
i get it that you like most of the people are not into chinesse tech and that is fine but dont criticise before checking
so let me save you the checking
k6000 pro uses the sony imx214 sensor which can be found in Nexus 6 , Sony Xperia Z2
maybe not the same software camera optimization like those brands but pictures should be close
i have owned previously chinesse phone with same sensor and pictures were perfect (Jiayu s3)
the processor and GPU are not its best side they are midrange but good enought
like i said the only thing i like in the Galaxy S5 is the amoled display and support , but i believe there wont be any official support after marshmallow for the S5 (and we all know how good are the future unofficial ports)
for the K6000 pro there is more possibilities that it will get Android Nuts, Nesquick, Nutella or whatever it is going to be called
actually i like metal designs more on phones so i dont see it as step backwards
i think i will wait for the premium version of Oukitel K6000 with the flagship Helio x20 processor and Amoled screen and if it is going to be around 200 pounds i will buy that one without thinking
anyway thanks for your opinion
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Sounds like you've made up your own mind. Enjoy the phone.
> Side note, I am very much into chinese tech. In fact, if it werent for the longevity of Samsung I would tell you to go with the other option but basic facts are facts - the alternative will last 6 months, tops.

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Sounds like you've made up your own mind. Enjoy the phone.
> Side note, I am very much into chinese tech. In fact, if it werent for the longevity of Samsung I would tell you to go with the other option but basic facts are facts - the alternative will last 6 months, tops.
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still havent decided because i want phone quickly and this Oukitel k6000 premium version is going to be on the market maybe after 2,3 months
so still considering the Samsung s5 and at the same time for some other branded phone with Helio x20

purchawice galaxy s5 (exynos vs snapdragon)
Hi,
I have the opportunity to buy galaxy s5, which select the versions: snapdragon801 or exynos5422? which is better?
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Note 7 Nobuy

so we get a 1 year old hardware in the N7 and a 100 mh battery less then the edge , same camera , ****ty irish scanner no need at all , and some software added that can be ported probably to N5 and N4 . who else going to wait for another great deal maybe like V20 ?

Yeah, doesn't matter what new it brings, what matters is its still better than anything out there isn't it? First phone with Gorilla Glass 5, first Note with water resistant S Pen too, I don't care about that IRIS scanner nor know how fast/reliably it works, new pressure sensitive S Pen. Samsung knows quite well that it will be still the best phone even with one year old hardware and that's why they released it like that, people will still buy it. More profit they are making, more greedy they are becoming, that happens with almost all corporate conglomerates, let alone the largest mobile manufacturer of the world. At the end of the day, Note 7 will still sell in millions, I myself would like to buy it, if it weren't for the expensive pricing I would have as simple as that.
LG V20? Seriously? One of the worst phone makers in the history! Even I trust OnePlus better than them!

SM-N9300 variant looks nice Wonder when I can get my hand on one.
Snapdragon 820
Dual Sim
6gb ram 128gb internal storage
Unlocked Bootloader

saifullah90 said:
irish scanner no need at all
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I don't know.... might be handy being able to scan for those Irish people!
j/k :silly:

I actually like the idea of the iris scanner for unlocking the device. It adds another layer of security that is allot harder to defeat, unless somebody takes you eyes out of your head. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Exynos variant will perform.

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Yeah, doesn't matter what new it brings, what matters is its still better than anything out there isn't it? First phone with Gorilla Glass 5, first Note with water resistant S Pen too, I don't care about that IRIS scanner nor know how fast/reliably it works, new pressure sensitive S Pen. Samsung knows quite well that it will be still the best phone even with one year old hardware and that's why they released it like that, people will still buy it. More profit they are making, more greedy they are becoming, that happens with almost all corporate conglomerates, let alone the largest mobile manufacturer of the world. At the end of the day, Note 7 will still sell in millions, I myself would like to buy it, if it weren't for the expensive pricing I would have as simple as that.
LG V20? Seriously? One of the worst phone makers in the history! Even I trust OnePlus better than them!
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i will likely wait for the V20 and see what it brings to the table , all these features i really dont care about , the waterRes. and all these small tweaks here and there , the only things that matter is I buy a new phone and i want everything to be new not old new . i will definitely wait for another great deal from other companies , samsung doing a great job just not great enough they are becoming like apple and that pissing me off becouse i supported the brand for a long time.

I personally would love the note 7 and imo possibly the best phone of 2016 so far. Can't really think of anything to hate about it. Sure it's got old hardware in it but in all honesty even my note 4 is still fast enough pretty sure the note 7 will be more than adequate speed wise let's face it how fast do you want apps to load when is fast, fast enough? Iris scanner I'm on the fence about pretty cool thing to have I guess especially in the winter if you have gloves on and can't use the finger print scanner but depends how fast it works though from what I've seen from hands on reviews it's pretty quick. Some people are complaining that Samsung didn't bother changing the design but they near enough nailed the design of phones with the S6 let alone the note 7 can't see how they can improve it except make it thinner which thin phones will be crap as they would be hard to hold and you're limiting battery size.
Samsung aren't becoming like apple at all well maybe a bit but they haven't yet started charging people for an additional stuff like adaptors for example plus they add features to their devices which are actually useful best apple has done is force touch and even that is pretty crap imo. Not to mention everything was pretty decent with the S7/S7 edge so can't even see how Samsung will top the S7 and note 7 next year except maybe up the megapixels on the camera and add a 4k screen which is still fairly pointless to have until devs make apps with 4k resolution. Only other thing they can improve on is hardware in terms of ram, cpu and gpu but again how much power do you actually need in a phone?

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I personally would love the note 7 and imo possibly the best phone of 2016 so far. Can't really think of anything to hate about it. Sure it's got old hardware in it but in all honesty even my note 4 is still fast enough pretty sure the note 7 will be more than adequate speed wise let's face it how fast do you want apps to load when is fast, fast enough? Iris scanner I'm on the fence about pretty cool thing to have I guess especially in the winter if you have gloves on and can't use the finger print scanner but depends how fast it works though from what I've seen from hands on reviews it's pretty quick. Some people are complaining that Samsung didn't bother changing the design but they near enough nailed the design of phones with the S6 let alone the note 7 can't see how they can improve it except make it thinner which thin phones will be crap as they would be hard to hold and you're limiting battery size.
Samsung aren't becoming like apple at all well maybe a bit but they haven't yet started charging people for an additional stuff like adaptors for example plus they add features to their devices which are actually useful best apple has done is force touch and even that is pretty crap imo. Not to mention everything was pretty decent with the S7/S7 edge so can't even see how Samsung will top the S7 and note 7 next year except maybe up the megapixels on the camera and add a 4k screen which is still fairly pointless to have until devs make apps with 4k resolution. Only other thing they can improve on is hardware in terms of ram, cpu and gpu but again how much power do you actually need in a phone?
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well the S7 are pretty fast my sister have one and i've played for a while and i can tell you it a rocket fast, but again it's a 1 year old hardware you pay full price for it, if they just replaced the 820 with a 821 i know it only 10% performance increase better but at least i get the feeling of a new hardware likewise for the gpu and ram , chines are getting a 6GB of ram why not the rest of the world ? , i just think they ****ed it op for us geeks for a normale person he dont care about spec.

when there was rumors for 4000mAh battery and 6gb of ram, ir blaster along with good audio amplifier. i was ready to buy it ones it gets released. but when launching dates coming near we started getting news for 3500mAh and no ir blaster and only 4gb of ram, still i haven't loosed my hope that its just the rumor, but when it confirms all this. i said its not worth to upgrade from Note 4 to Note 5 or 7.
because still i have removable battery, ir blaster, expandable memory and decent camera.
i'll wait for next note to get hands on.

For me a Note 7 is a very decent device with respectable specs we already know why samsung skipped the snapdragon 821 and 823 simply because it's still not well tested yet and they already made mistake before with the 810. Adding 4k display is pointless for 5.7 inch display, i was hoping for bigger battery more than the other specs but (the wireless charging battery case is awesome ). Like dude come on it's 2016 only a few devices remained with removable battery so we are definitely can get use to it and can live without it.
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In general, just know that this phone is quite expensive. In india it cost around 1000$ to 1200$
Other countries like UAE cost around 900$. Europe cost almost the same like india so i might wait for a 3 to 5 month at least to get the phone in respectful price
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saifullah90 said:
well the S7 are pretty fast my sister have one and i've played for a while and i can tell you it a rocket fast, but again it's a 1 year old hardware you pay full price for it, if they just replaced the 820 with a 821 i know it only 10% performance increase better but at least i get the feeling of a new hardware likewise for the gpu and ram , chines are getting a 6GB of ram why not the rest of the world ? , i just think they ****ed it op for us geeks for a normale person he dont care about spec.
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Guess would be nice to have 6gb of RAm and the newer 821 but think phones now are fast enough it's not like they need to be more powerful to play high end games like GTA 5 or Fallout 4 etc, nor would you need that power to do things like photo editing or 3D modelling as that would just be crap on a phone. I can't see why any phone would need 6gb of RAM only thing I'd like to see hardware wise now is a bigger battery but even that's limited soon we'll have phone manufacturers making phones thicker again just to add bigger batteries unless someone comes up with the technology to have like 4000 mah in a button cell sized battery.

Disappointed in the Rumors So Far

As these leaks start flowing I'm only getting more and more disappointed in this device. Have really been hoping for 1)A very high end device or 2) An affordable device with flasgship-esue specs. Both of these look like they will not be happening.
- Should be getting the 821 at this point. Yes, it's just an OC'd 820 but it's late in the year. 820 is already months old.
- Waterproofing. This should be standard at this point. Not a huge factor but this is now a premium device, it should have all the features.
- OEM Unlock? With Verizon as a partner as well as the XDA article yesterday on root with multiple partitions, looks like this may not be as easy as before.
- Very bland looking. If I'm going to be paying $700+ for a phone, I want to be proud to show off the design. So far it brings nothing to the table.
In short, this is looking like the exact same specs as the HTC 10/S7 with Pure Google software. The hardware on its own doesn't excite.
Redeeming Areas:
- UFS Storage. Would love the speed and wouldn't mind losing an SD card slot for faster read/write speeds.
- Financing. This would soften the blow of a more expensive phone.
- Quick updates. This is a given and the best part of the phone.
- OEM unlocking. Ensure me that this phone will be the best developer device on the market.
Open to other's thoughts.

not with the rumors so far
1. 5.5 inch screen why go small i love N6 size
2. Bezel is too big looks like apple crap phone

I am agree with All your point, it's true that the Google pixel doesn't have a design to proud off with the price range
I don't feel premium and confident for my daily work especially when I am bored and look to my phone trying to admire the engineer of beauty behind this masterpiece
so far, I don't have good feeling with Google Pixel..
it's like, comparing macbook and chromebook..

Pretty sure it's 821
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The pixel phones are ugly. The huge bezel and nav bar will use up like 2cm of space at the bottom. It's clear that they aren't competing with samsung in the design department. Price to performance is also off. The main reason why most people preferred the s7 or note 7 over the oneplus 3 is that it looks better and has a better screen. The only real difference in specs between the pixel (not xl) and the 1+3 is the screen resolution. When we compare the regular pixel phone with the 1+3, it seems to offer even less for the 650$ price tag.
To summarize, why would I buy a big ugly note 7 (the pixel xl) for the same price as the original note 7? Does it make sense to pay $250 more than the 1+3 just to get a pixel phone with stock android?

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1. 5.5 inch screen why go small i love N6 size
2. Bezel is too big looks like apple crap phone
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Right!
I just don't understand why bezels have gotten larger since the Note 3 from Samsung which had amazingly small top/bottom bezels.
AND... phones seem to be getting heavier instead of lighter.
5.5" vs. 5.7" phones and yet the 5.7" phone is smaller and lighter.

Even the Note 4, Note 5 and Note 7 are all taller & heavier than the Note 3.

Qi wireless charging
I want Qi wireless.
1) it's very convenient
2) I have too many 3-coil tilt chargers just to throw away
3) Google's excuse last year for dropping Qi because they included Type C plug was idiotic. It's not either/or Qi or Type C. You can have BOTH, just like the Samsung Note 7. If I don't want to plug my phone in when I get home, then I don't want to plug my phone in. Again, you can have BOTH Qi and Type C in one device.
My LG Nexus 5 had Qi and my current Moto XT1225 has it.
Yet, Google dropped it and now Lenovo/Motorola also dropped it as a built-in function -- making you buy a silly "mod" in their Moto Z series to get Qi wireless charging. I'm NEVER buying any mods or any phone that requires mods. The LG G5 failed spectacularly and I hope the Moto Z does as well.
I've had my current phone since 2014, and I'll buy next year's Samsung Galaxy Edge 8 or something to get Qi if I have to. Samsung is smart enough to realize people still want Qi wireless charging, even if no other manufacturer seems to have a clue.
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shah_vm said:
not with the rumors so far
1. 5.5 inch screen why go small i love N6 size
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Because 6" was a huge mistake, if Google was just going to release ONE phone. Even 5.7" is too big for a mainstream phone. That's why Samsung has different sizes for their "flagship" Galaxy 7 (5.1", 5.5") and Note 7 (5.7") series. Samsung realizes just because you want a smaller phone, you still want 1440p AMOLED, and fastest CPU/GPU.
In 2014, Google and Motorola had both 5.2", 1440p, 3GB RAM, Snapdragon 805 gen6 Nexus in testing (benchmarks were leaked) as well as the 5.95" -- and Google went with the WHALE. (Motorola said they cautioned against it, as most people don't want a HUGE phone. Google did it anyway.) Google should have released both sizes, the way Apple released two sizes in 2015. Google could have started the trend!
Instead, Motorola released that 5.2" phone as the "Quark". (Moto XT1225, XT1254, XT1250) 5.2", 1440p AMOLED, Snapdragon 805, 3GB RAM, 64GB internal memory, Qi wireless, Quick Charge 2.0, 3900 mAh battery, 21MP camera. Kevlar back overlaid with ballistic nylon. It'll stop a bullet for you in a bad neighborhood! :good: I own three Moto XT1225 and run them on AT&T. (LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 17) It was basically the 5.2" gen6 Nexus phone Google should have released. Has almost all the specs of the Nexus 6 but a bigger battery: 3900 mAh. Because Google always skimps on Nexus phone batteries.
So in 2015, Google admitted they made a mistake with the too-big Moto Nexus 6 by releasing TWO Nexus phone sizes, 5.7" and 5.2" -- but the smaller one should have had the same specs as the larger one except for display size. Google screwed up again by making the smaller Nexus a "mid-tier" phone. No one wants a mid-tier phone. (My 5.2" Moto XT1225 has 1440p, so screw you Google! I got the gen6 Nexus phone you wouldn't release!) So, in 2015 everyone who wanted a top-tier Nexus phone had to get the 5.7" size. But it's too big for most people. (See Samsung above.)
Now in 2016, Google is downsizing to more mainstream 5.5" for their top tier 1440p phone, as well as a 5.0" 1080p phone. In reality, they should have a 5.2" and 5.7" series (both 1440p!). Or 5.4" and 6" (both 1440p!) No one wants just 5.0" anymore. If it's got slim bezels the smaller one could even be 5.4", and then for the larger you could have a 6" "phablet"
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Agreed. bezels are way too big for no reason. If the bezels are that big there should be front facing STEREO speakers attached. See the excellent ZTE Axon 7.
THIS is the phone Google should be making!
ZTE Axon 7
$400 with free shipping in the U.S.
If gold is too flashy for you also comes in a gray/silver look.
5.5", 1440p AMOLED
Fantastic hi-fidelity stereo audio with front facing speakers
20MP rear camera + OIS
8MP selfie camera
Snapdragon 820
4GB RAM
64GB internal memory + microSD slot (128GB cards available)
(In China, there's also a 6GB RAM/128GB internal memory version. )
It is also among the first devices to support "Daydream" -- Google's mobile virtual reality engine.
And yes, I know Google doesn't do microSD cards. I'm just listing the specs of the Axon 7 and wondering why Google can't do SOMETHING as good for the Pixel XL for around the same price? It even uses the SAME 1440p AMOLED display the Pixel XL will have.
$400 for this phone.

Well I purchased the HTC 10 when it was released in April. I knew that the next Nexus (Pixel) was going to be made by HTC. I remember some of the Build quality issues from HTC and the company losing direction. I did not know what to expect. Well the HTC 10 was the best build quality phones that I have ever owned. The HTC 10 I believe is the best phone on the market today. If the pixels are looking almost identical to the 10. I purchased the HTC 10 with the $100 savings if you purchased directly from HTC. $599.00. I sold my HTC on swappa 2 months ago, knowing that the new Nexus (Pixel) would be coming. If it has the sd 821 I will be happy. I am hoping the $649 is for the 32gb Pixel XL ???? The $$$ for the Pixel seems high. Stay tuned. lol

I am thinking really exactly like you.
If it costs 650$ and has only 6 months old technic I wont buy it for this price. This is just overpayed...

ChazzMatt said:
Agreed. bezels are way too big for no reason. If the bezels are that big there should be front facing STEREO speakers attached. See the excellent ZTE Axon 7.
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I've heard mixed things on the Axon 7. Seems like people either love it or hate it. Worst issues I've heard are signal strength and OS issues. Still waiting on this phone to see if things improve because I'll probably get it if CM support gets better.

chazall1 said:
Well I purchased the HTC 10 when it was released in April. I knew that the next Nexus (Pixel) was going to be made by HTC. I remember some of the Build quality issues from HTC and the company losing direction. I did not know what to expect. Well the HTC 10 was the best build quality phones that I have ever owned. The HTC 10 I believe is the best phone on the market today. If the pixels are looking almost identical to the 10. I purchased the HTC 10 with the $100 savings if you purchased directly from HTC. $599.00. I sold my HTC on swappa 2 months ago, knowing that the new Nexus (Pixel) would be coming. If it has the sd 821 I will be happy. I am hoping the $649 is for the 32gb Pixel XL ???? The $$$ for the Pixel seems high. Stay tuned. lol
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Yup, I bought my HTC 10 through Verizon for a relative bargain at $550. However, the LCD (Polarization to be exact) display is what's been turning me off to it coupled with constant software bugs. I continually have to reboot my phone when it gets too taxed with Android Auto...
However, I may just bite the bullet and bootloader unlock it and slap CM on it when it gets stable for my "pure Google" experience.
I'm sure these will be good devices but as you guys mentioned....the price just doesn't quantify the "premium" aspects.

ChazzMatt said:
Agreed. bezels are way too big for no reason. If the bezels are that big there should be front facing STEREO speakers attached. See the excellent ZTE Axon 7.
THIS is the phone Google should be making!
ZTE Axon 7
$400 with free shipping in the U.S.
If gold is too flashy for you also comes in a gray/silver look.
5.5", 1440p AMOLED
Fantastic hi-fidelity stereo audio with front facing speakers
20MP rear camera + OIS
8MP selfie camera
Snapdragon 820
4GB RAM
64GB internal memory + microSD slot (128GB cards available)
(In China, there's also a 6GB RAM/128GB internal memory version. )
It is also among the first devices to support "Daydream" -- Google's mobile virtual reality engine.
And yes, I know Google doesn't do microSD cards. I'm just listing the specs of the Axon 7 and wondering why Google can't do SOMETHING as good for the Pixel XL for around the same price? It even uses the SAME 1440p AMOLED display the Pixel XL will have.
$400 for this phone.
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I've heard mixed things on the Axon 7. Seems like people either love it or hate it. Worst issues I've heard are signal strength and OS issues. Still waiting on this phone to see if things improve because I'll probably get it if CM support gets better.
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What people have had mixed reviews about is the SOFTWARE, not the hardware. For instance, the EU version has softer audio output than the crisp, clear U.S. version. Yet, this phone has already won awards for its audio.
Who cares about ZTE's OS when Google has their own?
What I am pointing out is the HARDWARE SPECS and the PRICE. This is the type of hardware and price Google should be releasing with their version of Android. Look at those bezels! THIS is what the Pixel XL should be! :good:
Google could buy this from ZTE for $400 -- slap their own software on -- and sell it for $450! I bet ZTE would even give Google a discount for bulk purchase -- like a million devices.

Yes, I totally agree with this. I mean, why shall I pay that much amount of money for something, whose specifications are nearly the same (or even worse) than a smartphone, which got released earlier this year, (S7 and S7 Edge 3/11/16).
I am really hoping for Qualcomm's S821 and a decent quantity of battery. A bad camera or quiet speakers would be a big no-go from my standpoint.
However, I am just agonising my head for random rumours. The 4th will tell me, if it is really worth buying it.

NUTS
What is with these vendors trying to shut down root all together? There is no logical reason to do so, I can't recall who but one provider claimed that rooted phones could jeopradize their entire network, are you serious?? what non-sense.
I was really under the Impression that Google was somewhat pro root, now this, a phone that sounds like it will be nearly impossible to root, or if root is achieved, a process (number of steps involved) that would send even a veteran rooter into a very nervous state of mind fearing a brick at the end of the root attempt.
There are some amazing developers on this site and in all likelyhood root will probably be achieved, but this whole us verses them were in now between developers and Manufacturer's will most likely never end. And it's all completely pointless as a rooted phone could never harm a vendors system.

Finance doesn't really make up for a big increase in the price. There has to be something hidden we haven't seen yet. google can't stand on stage and say "here is our new flagship phone, with the same price and features as a Samsung S7 but 6 months later, with the biggest bezels you will see this year"

pjd2011 said:
As these leaks start flowing I'm only getting more and more disappointed in this device. Have really been hoping for 1)A very high end device or 2) An affordable device with flasgship-esue specs. Both of these look like they will not be happening.
- Should be getting the 821 at this point. Yes, it's just an OC'd 820 but it's late in the year. 820 is already months old.
- Waterproofing. This should be standard at this point. Not a huge factor but this is now a premium device, it should have all the features.
- OEM Unlock? With Verizon as a partner as well as the XDA article yesterday on root with multiple partitions, looks like this may not be as easy as before.
- Very bland looking. If I'm going to be paying $700+ for a phone, I want to be proud to show off the design. So far it brings nothing to the table.
In short, this is looking like the exact same specs as the HTC 10/S7 with Pure Google software. The hardware on its own doesn't excite.
Redeeming Areas:
- UFS Storage. Would love the speed and wouldn't mind losing an SD card slot for faster read/write speeds.
- Financing. This would soften the blow of a more expensive phone.
- Quick updates. This is a given and the best part of the phone.
- OEM unlocking. Ensure me that this phone will be the best developer device on the market.
Open to other's thoughts.
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It will suck. Already looks like poop. Going to be WAY too expensive, no stereo speakers, no microSD. What's the point? Axon 7 is superior except for the lack of roms. If that was solved it would be the killer of 2016
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USMC retired said:
What is with these vendors trying to shut down root all together? There is no logical reason to do so, I can't recall who but one provider claimed that rooted phones could jeopradize their entire network, are you serious?? what non-sense.
I was really under the Impression that Google was somewhat pro root, now this, a phone that sounds like it will be nearly impossible to root, or if root is achieved, a process (number of steps involved) that would send even a veteran rooter into a very nervous state of mind fearing a brick at the end of the root attempt.
There are some amazing developers on this site and in all likelyhood root will probably be achieved, but this whole us verses them were in now between developers and Manufacturer's will most likely never end. And it's all completely pointless as a rooted phone could never harm a vendors system.
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Because you are NOT allowed to do what you want. What is wrong with you?
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Vitamin_D said:
I've heard mixed things on the Axon 7. Seems like people either love it or hate it. Worst issues I've heard are signal strength and OS issues. Still waiting on this phone to see if things improve because I'll probably get it if CM support gets better.
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Agreed, hardware is a dream come true. Just wish it had a removeable battery and an IPS display at 1080p. Hopefully CM/Rom support will develop more and the device will become better.

Locklear308 said:
It will suck. Already looks like poop. Going to be WAY too expensive, no stereo speakers, no microSD. What's the point? Axon 7 is superior except for the lack of roms. If that was solved it would be the killer of 2016
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Because you are NOT allowed to do what you want. What is wrong with you?
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Agreed, hardware is a dream come true. Just wish it had a removeable battery and an IPS display at 1080p. Hopefully CM/Rom support will develop more and the device will become better.
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True, I guess I'm getting selfish for wanting to shell out around $650.00 and have only Google control it, I really do need to have my head examined

What the Hell going to buy the XL. Its only money. Going to have much more dev then ZTE. It should be a goog phone. Have another beer and get ready to place it in your cart and press pay. lol

Locklear308 said:
Agreed, (ZTE AXON 7) hardware is a dream come true. Just wish it had a removeable battery and an IPS display at 1080p. Hopefully CM/Rom support will develop more and the device will become better.
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No, we have too many 5.5" 1080p slabs. Need more 1440p AMOLED, PLEASE.

If I'm going to have to replace it, again.. What with????

Well I just went to AT&T to try the LG v20. It's as big as an iPhone 7 Plus, but I have to say I thought it was fantastic. It's screen is slightly bigger, it's brighter (!) which surprised me and when I ran gagnam style on both (always my test video) I have to say that I thought the screen was better on the v20. The whites are whiter and the Note looked yellowish by comparison. Very interesting. It's also far quicker at switching apps, as fast as the iPhone. Camera is very quick too.
Anyway just food for thought. There is life after the Note7
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Gagnam style lol nice... Thats what im considering going too. I have yet to see it so i want to actually hold it and play with it before i make a decision
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Yeah if I have to replace my note I'm thinking the v20. Don't want the s7 edge (had it as a loaner and it was okay but not great). Only disappointment is that I won't be able to use my new gear vr. Also, at&t's version won't come with those earphones
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Mayonesa said:
Gagnam style lol nice... Thats what im considering going too. I have yet to see it so i want to actually hold it and play with it before i make a decision
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Gagnam is great as its bright, colorful and many scene changes, and you can test the sound too.
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I will take the v20, 64gb storage, 4gb ram, usb-c, 5.7 screen, android 7.0, not water resistant, but its not like you can use the note 7 for snorkeling so, I think the note 7 is done. So lets go LG
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How about the new "newer" note 7....maybe available in a few weeks
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KingP1n said:
How about the new "newer" note 7....maybe available in a few weeks
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I am hoping the exynos version for all.

Yeah I think I may wait to see what Samsung does to try to keep my business. My guess is that they realize this is a big pain to customers and will hopefully offer a special deal to keep them loyal. If not I will probably switch to a different brand. Not sure what yet though since there isn't much that compares.

ShrekOpher said:
Yeah I think I may wait to see what Samsung does to try to keep my business. My guess is that they realize this is a big pain to customers and will hopefully offer a special deal to keep them loyal. If not I will probably switch to a different brand. Not sure what yet though since there isn't much that compares.
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Unless they have a Note 7.5, Note 8, or an S8 ready to go, I'm done. They have treated me like crap throughout this entire recall.
Probably going back to Apple this year.

sireniankyle said:
Unless they have a Note 7.5, Note 8, or an S8 ready to go, I'm done. They have treated me like crap throughout this entire recall.
Probably going back to Apple this year.
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I feel ya, but I could never go back to Apple. Like being handcuffed... Just can't stand iOS, the device itself is awesome but can't stand iOS.
I still have an S7e so I will probably go back to that for the short term. I love the Note line even if it is re-branded I will look at the Note 8 next year.

i did the same, returned Note 7 for pre order of LG V20 this morning. The camera was extremely fast, it was snapping pics as fast as I hit the button. The screen was slightly bigger, or appeared to be anyway (good thing). I like the little display on the top as well, and display looked much better than I expected. Cant wait for my order to arrive!

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I feel ya, but I could never go back to Apple. Like being handcuffed... Just can't stand iOS, the device itself is awesome but can't stand iOS.
I still have an S7e so I will probably go back to that for the short term. I love the Note line even if it is re-branded I will look at the Note 8 next year.
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I settled for the S7 Edge once already, because Samsung screwed up the Note 5. That's 2x in a row in my book. I don't want to go back to it, because 1.) I'm spoiled by the Note 7's 64GB plus expandable storage, and 2.) The edges are more obvious, and i do not like them at all. There's also the lack of S- pen and hdr. The Note 7 also boosts the audio for video playback, which I loved.
**I consider the Note 5 a flop, because there was no expandable storage and 64GB max onboard. The same reason that I haven't bought a 1+3. NB4 you don't need more than 64GB. If company says "Never Settle", don't tell me to settle.**
If I go back to Apple, I get the water resistance, imessage, stereo speakers, unrivaled speed, great battery life, and a home button that is not on-screen (lookin at you, Google and LG). I also lose micro sd (got 256 on-board so), fast charging, wireless charging, qhd, and certain freedoms on the software.
If Samsung would let me buy a Note 7, or if the 1+3 could take a micro sd card, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But the Pixel XL is crap (my opinion), the htc 10 is too small, the S7 Edge is too curvy, and the 1+3 lacks enough storage. I know, I'm picky.

sireniankyle said:
I settled for the S7 Edge once already, because Samsung screwed up the Note 5. That's 2x in a row in my book. I don't want to go back to it, because 1.) I'm spoiled by the Note 7's 64GB plus expandable storage, and 2.) The edges are more obvious, and i do not like them at all. There's also the lack of S- pen and hdr. The Note 7 also boosts the audio for video playback, which I loved.
**I consider the Note 5 a flop, because there was no expandable storage and 64GB max onboard. The same reason that I haven't bought a 1+3. NB4 you don't need more than 64GB. If company says "Never Settle", don't tell me to settle.**
If I go back to Apple, I get the water resistance, imessage, stereo speakers, unrivaled speed, great battery life, and a home button that is not on-screen (lookin at you, Google and LG). I also lose micro sd (got 256 on-board so), fast charging, wireless charging, qhd, and certain freedoms on the software.
If Samsung would let me buy a Note 7, or if the 1+3 could take a micro sd card, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But the Pixel XL is crap (my opinion), the htc 10 is too small, the S7 Edge is too curvy, and the 1+3 lacks enough storage. I know, I'm picky.
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I have been anti apple for as long as I can remember. I do not like apple for many reasons from being so constrained on a phone I own to apples business model to apples proprietary hardware etc etc. BUT this time I decided to give the 7+ a try for 1 year after i returned my Note 7. So far after 2 weeks I have absolutely nothing bad to say about my 7 Plus. It is incredibly fast, incredibly powerful and just down right does everything perfectly EXCEPT they are having some bluetooth issues with certain devices. One of those happens to be my 8.4" UConnect headunit that it is not streaming nicely with. Random skips and choppy audio when streaming music. But my headunit has ipod controls so I simply plug my 7 Plus into a usb port and stream my music that way and it charges the phone as well. If you do go 7 plus I dont think you will be unhappy with it. Also the standby time and overall battery life is outstanding. I first got a silver one then decided I want black instead so my 128GB Silver one is on ebay right this second with 2 days left in the auction. Brand new condition.

So I talked to someone I know that works for Samsung. Samsung is a business partner of the company I work for. It is not looking good. Right now there are two options being discussed internally at Samsung.
1.) Stop the production of the Note 7 ALL together and refund everyone who bought one. This is an issue because phones sold on a secondary market may be difficult to get refunds for. It also will cause many users to leave Samsung all together and go the LG V20 / Pixel / iPhone 7 rout.
2.) Do ANOTHER recall replacement. I was told a new run of the phones would be available by the end of the month to be swapped out if Samsung chooses to go down this path AGAIN. I would hope the 3rd time is the charm and this 3rd build of the phone is perfect. However this has issues as well. There is a chance some if not all of the USA carriers won't pick up the 3rd version of the phone AT ALL and not offer it as a replacement to consumers. Also if it is offered as a replacement there is still not guarantee that USA carriers will EVERY being to sell it as new again.
Both of these options leave me with a few concerns.
1.) This phone will probably NEVER have the correct software support it deserves. Meaning IF it gets the android 7.1 update in the 4th quarter of this year like it is supposed to it will probably be the only update it ever gets. Also it may not get the monthly security patches ever, which makes this not usable for my work.
2.) I do not know what Samsung can do to restore confidence with me that this 3rd version of the Note 7 will not one day blow up. I have also lost all faith in the CPSC. I mean what are they doing this time that will GUARANTEE that this version of the phone won't blow up as well. Just seems like its going to be a hard sell to me.
3.) Samsung still seems a bit short sited to me on fixing this issue. If they really want to "stop the bleeding" of loyal customers they need to focus on future product sales. Again this means leaving the Note 7 dumpster fire behind, but it also means trying to convert note 7 users into future sales. I would hope they would consider offering a discount voucher for a Samsung phone bought in the future as a part of this 2nd recall, but judging by everything I have seen coming from their company it looks like they are more worried about the now, and they are going to lose even more customers because of it.
Anyone have any other thoughts? What would it take for Samsung to get you to stay with the Note 7, or in the future consider buying a S8 or a Note 8?

What stores have the lg v20 demo?

I returned both of ours for a full refund.. Ordered an axon 7 and a oneplus 3 as replacements.

Seriously I went into my local Att store and no V20 demo unit there.
Heres my 2 cents. I came from the Note 4, and the Note 2 before that, so you can understand the waiting I had to do in order to get something amazing. The Note 7 checks so many boxes off of a long list of features that I have always found useful. The pen, the screen size and resolution as well as top specs in the cpu and ram department every time they are released. But, this one thing that kept buggin me on the newer Notes was the non-removable batteries. It was the reason I held out on upgrading the Note 4 for so long. And here we are witnessing something that is hugely affected by the decision of not including that capability.
In terms of what Samsung should have done, its obvious - they should have included a slightly smaller battery in terms of thickness and capacity in order to reduce the risk of defects. Something like a smaller/thinner 3000 mah battery would have been totally fine. Even a slightly thicker version of the 3600 mah battery and thicker chassis would have been fine as well. But my honest opinion is that devices that are catching fire are actually suffering from some slight bending in the chassis at some point after they are purchased. This most likely would be something like dropping it hard or even having it bend slightly when in a pocket. Im thinking the latter is the cause for the batteries to have warped a tiny fraction causing the layers/connectors in the batteries to warp. But this is an inherent risk with all batteries in phones I think. Its just exponentially worse the thinner you go. And if the production tolerances on both those aspects are so dang tight, expect more issues than say an Iphone which can bend all day and still not catch fire.
It would be great to see Samsung give people full refunds for international variants and exchanges through carriers like they are doing. Should they give a discount for future devices? It would be awesome obviously from a consumer standpoint. Will they actually give some discount of meaningful value? Most likely not. They are a massive multi-billion dollar corporation. I would think the Note customer base is the smaller of their top 2 devices. So even if they lose some of this crowd, there is still the massively successful S7/S7 edge crowd to bank on. Especially since we will be seeing the S8 in like 4-6 months. Its actually smart of them to stagger device releases in this case. I'm not particularly excited about anything else being released this year. Google has the specs now, but looks so boring. And that top headphone jack...just ugh. The iphone as everyone saw is just a placeholder until next year. The V20 is, well, just another LG phone. Tough decisions all around at this point.

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What stores have the lg v20 demo?
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This store has a demo, I messed with it for a bit while my Note 7's were being returned.
7025 FM 1960 RD E STE. 100, HUMBLE, TX 77346

Anyone played with an Honor 8 or the ZTE AXON?
I am not a fan of LG devices.
I'm probably go back to the S7e but it's really not a great replacement.
How many people would get another replacement Note 7 if one is offered?

ShrekOpher said:
Anyone played with an Honor 8 or the ZTE AXON?
I am not a fan of LG devices.
I'm probably go back to the S7e but it's really not a great replacement.
How many people would get another replacement Note 7 if one is offered?
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I will , but I will wait to trade mine in . When they have them in the store , then I will go. I still want this phone , its why I bought it in the first place.