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Internal Storage

Hey i was wonder can you like take apart the fascinate and change the internal storage? is it a second sd card inside of it? and if so how would you go about making the files work on another ? clockwork?

It would probably be embedded on to the board itself.
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dialect129 said:
Hey i was wonder can you like take apart the fascinate and change the internal storage? is it a second sd card inside of it? and if so how would you go about making the files work on another ? clockwork?
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I would say firmly that, no, you cannot replace/increase the internal memory on the Fascinate.

well i mean has anybody taken apart the phone yet? lol i was hoping that website that takes apart everything would of so i didnt have to be the first lol

dialect129 said:
well i mean has anybody taken apart the phone yet? lol i was hoping that website that takes apart everything would of so i didnt have to be the first lol
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Whether it has, or hasn't been taken apart by anyone, it's not a common practice to have removable/replaceable memory with these types of devices.
I consider myself a poweruser and have no real need for more internal memory.
You should be ok. You can always App2SD if you're running out of storage space.

well i have the lagfixme.bat until they make something better..by the way does the lag fix make media scan slower or something it takes forever to scan sometimes but anyways. i thought we couldnt app 2 sd until froyo?

dialect129 said:
well i have the lagfixme.bat until they make something better..by the way does the lag fix make media scan slower or something it takes forever to scan sometimes but anyways. i thought we couldnt app 2 sd until froyo?
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No, the media scan is just slow and takes forever in and of itself.
We can't really "app 2 sd" until Froyo.
I'd consider myself a power user as well and I'm only using 214MB of 1.55GB internally. Everything else (music, movies, etc.) I keep on my SD Card, so it isn't too bad.

yea im kind of a messy power user i got files everwhere...but yeah your right...thanks for the input

Once I got all my core appspot that I know ill use on a regular basis I only used about 300 MB of internal memory. Beyond that I use another 100 or so for junk (hypnotoad and the like) I can't imagine anyone needing more than 2 gig during the lifetime of this phone.
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Available RAM

I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?

i.mac said:
I have not heard too much about this, but the available RAM on my Atrix is around ~155-160MB which seems really low considering nothing but syncing services are running.
How is your phone keeping up?
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That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+

http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement

live4nyy said:
That is normal. Everyone needs to read up on how RAM works on an Android phone. Especially Android 2.2+
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That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/

i.mac said:
That's a relief. I haven't had any issues in speed with the phone. I'm just getting apprehensive because there is so much negativity in these forums about the phone. :/
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Yeah, I hear ya. I forget sometimes that a task killer used to be essential on older versions like 1.5/1.6

I usually have between 250-400 free, but I turn my phone off and on once or twice a day to keep it running fresh. I never see available ram that low.

im usually at around 400-450 when i keep it normal....try to clean up the crap out some bloated scripts on webtop, that'll free up some space, and also delete the bloatware from the apps...if you do that and don't run a secondary launcher, you should be fine...im just running motoblur adeo modded which keeps it lean.

I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?

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I am running launcher pro. I'll try running Blur. How do I remove the bloatware?
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well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.

You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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live4nyy said:
http://android.nextapp.com/site/systempanel/doc/taskmanagement
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That is an interesting bit of information. I never realized any of that. I always look at the little memroy stat on my sense clock widget and hate when my memory gets low. I am always closing apps to bring up free ram.
This was one of the reasons I reverted from the adeo rom. Always had less than 200mb free and could barely get it higher. Without adeo I can keep it closer to 300mb.
It always seems that my phone runs fine no matter what the available ram states so it makes sense to me that it doesn't matter. Perhaps now I won't concern myself with it as much and maybe even give launcher pro another go.

Mafisometal said:
well delete LP (it runs about 50mb when fully initialized), delete all the stock apps that you really don't need, also install adeo rom which will deox your apps so it wont run at boot, you can also install atk (it wont read the ram accurately since it has conflicts with the dual core for some reason) but it does work. it should then be at around 400+ on ram available.
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waltah! said:
You can add things to the auto close list in the built in task manager. Those apps will close out when the screen goes into standby. Lots of things stay running and sucking up ram without doing that.
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I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.

I have a ton of stuff on my phone and it usually doesn't go lower than 300mb free. Usually more around 400-450.
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live4nyy said:
I hate to say it but you guys have no idea what you're talking about. Just read the link I posted earlier and do some research on your own about the matter. All you're doing is putting stress on the system and killing your battery.
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this man speaks the truth.
I'm running launcher pro, blur stuff frozen, always have more than 300mb free. want to know the best way to clean up the RAM? go delete all the excess apps you don't actually need or use. I'm willing to bet there are a good number that you haven't used since first downloading thinking they'd be cool.

cegna09 said:
this man speaks the truth. .
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Yea, verily. This is why I'm not especially worried about the Bionic's or the G2X's smaller RAM capacities. I have killed a lot of bloatware and typically have more than half my Atrix's memory available. Since "available" basically equals "wasted", I'm not going to have any problem returning the phone to hold out for the G2X.
(I would probably feel differently if I could see myself getting much use out of the Atrix's webtop OS.)

Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?

i.mac said:
Can anyone confirm if Adeo works on the Bell version? Thanks.
Also, do I use Titanium Backup to backup all the stock apps incase I decide to return?
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Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.

live4nyy said:
Not sure if it's working for the Bell version.
The Adeo install script creates a backup file of your system files. Titanium will only backup the apk files, not the odex files. So if you wanted to return it you would have to take the created backup file, extract the required folders, then repackage and rename them to work with the adeounistall script. Be sure to replace the folder that is already in there.
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Wow! And I suppose there is a tutorial for this. I have used a lot of abd with my Nexus but I always had a tutorial to refer to.

Why do you need more than 200mb of RAM available? I use a Milestone 1 and I get 30 to 50MB available and it works like a charm. Memory management in Android is automatic, way different from a desktop OS. It frees up memory as soon as you need it.

I run Memory Booster which has task killer and quick boost. When I run it after start up, I hit around low 600 mb free. When I run it when the phone dips to the 300 mb range, it normally frees up 150 to 200 mb.

Google Chrome Beta for ICS Now Available

See here:
http://www.androidcentral.com/google-chrome-beta-now-available-android-40-devices
Google released a beta of Chrome for 4.0 devices. It looks pretty awesome so far. Supports sync with desktop chrome and the UI is beautiful.

I like the Tab UI, very smooth too!

It is awesome.

Chrome for Android! Just installed it, it's really nice.

I like it as well. I have used Chrome Desktop for years, so I the integration is really handy. The biggest thing that is keeping me from removing Dolphin HD is flash support. Will have to keep it around for those legacy sites that refuse to switch to HTML5.

Is there a way to clear out the browsing history on exit like Mini Dolphin & Dolphin have? This is one of the reason I am not using this on a regular basis..

downloaded the first time, constant force closes. redownloaded, good to go.

What makes this better than dolphin browser? Just curious
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kadin.zimmerman said:
What makes this better than dolphin browser? Just curious
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it's google freaking chrome. supports sync with your desktop browser if you use chrome which most of us do. it's a very awesome UI, and just a good browser in general.
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kadin.zimmerman said:
What makes this better than dolphin browser? Just curious
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And it has super fancy animations that are completely unnecessary but totally super cool!

upsidedownaaron said:
downloaded the first time, constant force closes. redownloaded, good to go.
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Had the same problem, removed, and installed, and still have the problem.
I have Fascinate ICS build 6

Your /datadata partition is probably getting filled up, try moving chrome to the SD card and see if that works.

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Your /datadata partition is probably getting filled up, try moving chrome to the SD card and see if that works.
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Lol, yes, I started getting "You are getting low on space" but my "Storage" said I was only using about 600MB of over 1GB [internal, /data/ partition].
So, can you please tell me... why is /datadata/ only 100-something MB? Can I increase it?
Does moving an app, move it's data to the sdcard too? [into .android_secure/*.asec, right?]

mvmacd said:
Lol, yes, I started getting "You are getting low on space" but my "Storage" said I was only using about 600MB of over 1GB [internal, /data/ partition].
So, can you please tell me... why is /datadata/ only 100-something MB? Can I increase it?
Does moving an app, move it's data to the sdcard too? [into .android_secure/*.asec, right?]
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/datadata is only 158 MB because of hardware limitations, but it's much faster memory. You can increase it by symlinking it to /data/data, but your phone is going to get slow. THS has a fix for this, it will make its way to the other ICS ROMs soon.
I figure I should also say the fix isn't 100%, but as long as you don't have multiple apps taking up huge amounts of data it should work pretty good. (Having two browsers installed both taking up 40MB of data would be considered "huge amounts of data")

sendan said:
/datadata is only 158 MB because of hardware limitations, but it's much faster memory. You can increase it by symlinking it to /data/data, but your phone is going to get slow. THS has a fix for this, it will make its way to the other ICS ROMs soon.
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Ohh, so /datadata isn't just another partition, it's a separate faster flash storage?
And I guess that means, moving apps to SD makes them go faster, eh?
What is the difference between app2sd, and ICS's "move to SD card" feature?

mvmacd said:
Ohh, so /datadata isn't just another partition, it's a separate faster flash storage?
And I guess that means, moving apps to SD makes them go faster, eh?
What is the difference between app2sd, and ICS's "move to SD card" feature?
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I believe that's true, although I'm kind of just learning all of this so I'm not positive.
I'm not sure if it's faster, test it and let me know though.
And those are both the same thing I thought...they just move the app data that's stored in /datadata to the SD...I'm not 100% on that.

k_nivesout said:
Your /datadata partition is probably getting filled up, try moving chrome to the SD card and see if that works.
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Okay so I redownlaoded Chrome on wifi, and the "Move to SD Card" is disabled.
[greyed out]
I tried rebooting, still the same.

mvmacd said:
Okay so I redownlaoded Chrome on wifi, and the "Move to SD Card" is disabled.
[greyed out]
I tried rebooting, still the same.
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That's because not all apps have Move to SD support, this is where the 3rd party apps like Titanium Backup and Apps2SD probably come in handy. I know I can move any app I want to the SD with Titanium Backup Pro, I've never tried Apps2SD though.

sendan said:
That's because not all apps have Move to SD support, this is where the 3rd party apps like Titanium Backup and Apps2SD probably come in handy. I know I can move any app I want to the SD with Titanium Backup Pro, I've never tried Apps2SD though.
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ohh.. so should I get the "app2sd" app in the market?
edit.. I moved skype, and some big games to my sdcard, the the "low storage" message isn't there. And chrome still force closes.. :\

mvmacd said:
ohh.. so should I get the "app2sd" app in the market?
edit.. I moved skype, and some big games to my sdcard, the the "low storage" message isn't there. And chrome still force closes.. :\
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Like I said I've only ever used Titanium Backup Pro, so I couldn't tell you if Apps2SD works.
The warning only shows up when you have 15MB or less of free space, chrome beta takes up roughly 40MB of space.

Low storage since 4.1.2

How can this be? 16g Nexus, only 7g used. Only 3 free?

Mine did the same thing. Any clues out there ?
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Install DiskUsage to quickly go through your storage by size. If you have root, you can use it for your system partitions as well.

That's a great app ! Been using it for years it seems... In the OP there's a picture. The picture shows a gray bar that's supposedly only 3 GB's. The visual representation of space available is incorrect in the picture and on my device also.
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I've seen the same thing on mine, it's neglecting certain files/folders when making out what's using the storage, but the free storage number is usually correct.
I think in my case, my titanium backups weren't added in the equation. I moved them to an external mSD and since then it's been accurate.

Having the same problem since installing 4.1.2. Went from 5.5 gb free to 791 mb. Searched for a while but I can't find anything causing it. Glad you posted this, I was thinking of resetting back to stock and setting everything up again.

Ok, I hooked up to my computer and confirmed 13g and 3 free on Win 7.
The problem is I dont have 10g of files. I have one movie @ 4g and and 2g of music. I have checked the size of all folders on the sd and the numbers don't add up.
13-6=7 not 3 thats being shown. A significant difference!

I just found 2g in the clockworkmod folder. I did a backup prior to the 4.1.2 install. The blob folder is 2g. Can I delete it safely?

Yup, you could also move it over to pc just in case you'd ever need it.
Like I said, backups don't tend to get recognized by storage use, but DiskUsage shows em nice and clear

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Yup, you could also move it over to pc just in case you'd ever need it.
Like I said, backups don't tend to get recognized by storage use, but DiskUsage shows em nice and clear
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Thanks!

Improving lag

Evening all. Just wanted to report that I've had good results using the Forever Gone app from the play store to improve lag on my non rooted xt925. It had gotten a bit sluggish lately.
The app essentially "formats" the free space on your ROM memory which seems to restore performance pretty significantly. Made a big difference on my nexus 7 too. It doesn't touch any of your files.
No affiliation, it just got recommended to me and I'm happy with the results. Especially since it doesn't require root.
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nice! thanks for sharing.
will try to use this app too

Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Oscarpr7 said:
Good app the only thing is that it takes forever to process all your data..
But thanks for the post
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Yeah, it does take a bit of time to do it's thing. Especially if you have a reasonable amount of free space. But it's definitely worth the wait IMHO.
I started it before I went to sleep one night and just let it do it's thing. I'm not sure how long it took on my Razr, but it was probably about 20 minutes on my Nexus 7. Again, definitely worth the wait though.

It takes for my razr hd with 9GB free space about ~40 min
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Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results

Someone tell me how it goes!

What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?

sxg75 said:
What I read from description in playstore: This app cleans already free space on your SDCard similar to writing Nullbytes into the sectors of the SD. No defragmentation.
Every scriptkidd should be able to write an app like this. The purpose of this app is to *hide*/destroy files that were being deleted from your SDCard so that they cannot be recovered by Undelete-/Recovery-Software.
I wonder how someone comes to the conclusion that this app would format and defragment rom memory or increases performance or decreases lags?
Also: Is this app 100% trustable? Nobody can ever know what happens to the data that is being scanned; maybe exaggerating a bit, but who knows if your sdcard-data gets sent to north korea?
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It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
So what if every "scriptkidd" could write an app like this? How is that helpful to this discussion? I don't understand that comment...
If you don't trust it or don't believe the theory behind it, don't use it. Personally I don't keep stuff on my phone that I would be terribly worried about the North Koreans getting hold of, but I can't speak for others...
Look, at the end of the day, it's not my app. I couldn't care less if you install it or not. I used it and it improved my lag. It's that simple. I thought others might like to hear about that.

It works on the theory that when a file is deleted or moved off your memory it retains data that allows it to be recovered at a later date by a data recovery app. This retained data may slow down the I/O of your memory, creating lag. Remember that solid state memory works differently to optical storage. On an optical HDD or a DVD this type of thing wouldn't have much (any?) benefit. SSDs work differently though.
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Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.

I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.

sxg75 said:
Hmm. I guess there is something getting pretty mixed up. Everything that this App is doing is cleaning up some bytes/pointers on either the internal or the external sd card memory (by stuffing the sdard's free space with Nullbyte datafiles).
(Strongly simplifying in nearly 99% of "roms" the Android OS system files reside on the system partitions of *internal memory* and most apps reside on the internal "apps"/"data"-partition. Those partitions are not reachable for "Forever Gone" since it doesn't use root privileges, so these partitions (and it's "empty" memory space) cannot be "optimized" by this app. Therefore it *can not* reduce lag for system-apps like e.g. launchers or standard apps. "Performance Improvements" for whole systems are to be regarded as simple placebo effect - no matter how many fivestars this app achieves on playstore.
There's a *slim chance* that it maybe "kind of" works for Apps that make use of Apps2sd, when those Apps (and their data-files/databases e.g) get stocked/moved unto internal or external sdcard space. Or Apps that make frequent permanent use of internal/external SDCard space like games or navigation programs with offline map files on internal/external SDCard. So that those apps "start faster" or "feel more responsive".
Until there's no empiristically satisfying performance measurements ... it is of course allowed for everyone to "believe" in the magic this app is doing ... but only that.
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Look, you're entitled to be skeptical. No dramas. I would agree with your comment that the app obviously can't access the restricted areas of the internal memory. That's pretty clear. But it doesn't claim to do that. The way I see it, any app that accesses free space in the internal memory could potentially see an increase in performance. Anything related to the photo gallery, music, movies, books etc which are all stored in accessible area. Also, I don't know about you, but when I look at the accessible area of my internal memory, most of my apps have created their own folder in there. I don't move any apps to SD, I don't see any point. So I can only assume each app is accessing the accessible internal memory of it's own accord. So whether it makes sense to you or not, many apps are clearly accessing the area of memory in question.
Secondly, of course the Android system and launcher would access the accessible area of the internal memory. They need access to images (wall papers etc), sound files etc etc.
I'm not sure what sort of empirical evidence you're looking for? Should one of the Universities begin a research project on this app? Are there many apps that come scientifically proven?
Again, whether it makes sense to you or not is irrelevant to the whole argument. I can 100% guarantee that this app made a significant improvement to lag issues on my Nexus 7 (not rooted). The difference was very obvious. If you believe it's placebo, great. But I'm happy that my Nexus 7 is performing how it used to in my placebo world. It had become frustratingly laggy lately. The app also made a difference on my Razr HD. Not as much of an improvement as the nexus, but then again, the nexus was much laggier than the razr before hand. If this app is magical, where can I find more magical apps?
I'm not a scientist and I'm not going to perform a peer reviewed experiment on this app. So if you're not keen on apps that aren't scientifically proven, it's probably best to give this one a miss...

larsdennert said:
I tried it too and didn't really see a noticeable difference. Theory being that flash memory has to do a wipe before write which slows it down. By wiping the card ahead of time, checksum would already be zero. As someone pointed out it only does the SD card and not the data partition where most writing happens. It would only help someone with specific SD card issues I think. It could actually make things worse if the app isn't wiping correctly. I would imagine that Android does garbage collection and TRIM but I've never looked to see if any partitions have the discard flag enabled.
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It definitely accesses the accessible partition of the internal memory.

You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix

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You'd be better off with this to fix lag but you must be rooted.https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.grilledmonkey.lagfix
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There are plenty of solutions for rooted devices. I hadn't come across anything for non rooted devices that actually made a difference until I used this.

richport29 said:
Giving this a try. Hoping for similar results
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Gave it a try, no noticeable difference unfortunately.

For anyone interested, it seems like Android 4.3 has a feature built in which is very similar to the function this app performs. The article refers specifically to the Nexus 7, but it's obviously relevant to pretty much an Android device.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7185/android-43-update-brings-trim-to-all-nexus-devices

I tested this app, and it's really great. But as lobie81 said, android 4.3 do the same thing with the implementation of TRIM
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