hello everyone,
I notice in some youtube demo hands on that the Galaxy S 5 has a removable battery and its back cover can be removed without screws.
I was curious on how effective its Waterproof claims leaving the battery prone for water penetration unlike the Galaxy S 4 Active.
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You freakn people needa learn how to read and stop with this WATER PROOF stuff. IT'S NOT WATER PROOF.... WATER RESISTANT damn dude, read better!
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You freakn people needa learn how to read and stop with this WATER PROOF stuff. IT'S NOT WATER PROOF.... WATER RESISTANT damn dude, read better!
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ok, its water resistant.
why does Samsung made it vulnerable for the water to get in Galaxy S 5 with a non-screw back cover ?
it is IP67....
meaning dust cannot get in at all, regardless how fine it is (6)
and you can submerge it in water and have water jets fired at it (7)
i dont see any reason to doubt the waterproofing.
the phone has to be tested before getting an IP certification.
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it is IP67....
meaning dust cannot get in at all, regardless how fine it is (6)
and you can submerge it in water and have water jets fired at it (7)
i dont see any reason to doubt the waterproofing.
the phone has to be tested before getting an IP certification.
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Im fairly sure that those certification numbers are mostly an estimate, I highly doubt your phone will be destroyed if you go a couple inches over the 1m mark. Sure, there is more pressure and its a risk you are willing to take but it should be fine.
Plus its better for Samsung to under-report the waterproof rating than to exaggerate and have to deal with the backlash of people with damaged devices.
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Im fairly sure that those certification numbers are mostly an estimate, I highly doubt your phone will be destroyed if you go a couple inches over the 1m mark. Sure, there is more pressure and its a risk you are willing to take but it should be fine.
Plus its better for Samsung to under-report the waterproof rating than to exaggerate and have to deal with the backlash of people with damaged devices.
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It isn't an estimate. It was tested at those condition and passed it. Although there are no guarantees on what it will do beyond those conditions
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It isn't an estimate. It was tested at those condition and passed it. Although there are no guarantees on what it will do beyond those conditions
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It was tested at those specific conditions to gain certification but it wasn't tested until the device completely failed.
Hence why I say its an estimate, I highly doubt that 1m of submersion is the maximum threshold for the device and anything above that will result in spontaneous failure. The phone can probably handle quite a bit more than that but Samsung chooses to not advertise it as such.
Samsung left themselves a safety gap since they know customers will go above and beyond the rated limits and they don't want to have to deal with all the pissed off customers.
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hello everyone,
I notice in some youtube demo hands on that the Galaxy S 5 has a removable battery and its back cover can be removed without screws.
I was curious on how effective its Waterproof claims leaving the battery prone for water penetration unlike the Galaxy S 4 Active.
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The active didn't use screws either, if you close the back properly there shouldn't be an issue.
Check this post
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50782722
It doesn't matter if its unibody or not Samsung or Sony. Rules for waterRESISTANT phones are the same. You cant dive with them.
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Is Salt water really that harmful to the phone if you rinse it in fresh water immediately after its exposure to the salt water.
I mean if your going to dump it underwater to capture a couple images, I dont see why the Salt water should bother the phone.
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msavic6 said:
It was tested at those specific conditions to gain certification but it wasn't tested until the device completely failed.
Hence why I say its an estimate, I highly doubt that 1m of submersion is the maximum threshold for the device and anything above that will result in spontaneous failure. The phone can probably handle quite a bit more than that but Samsung chooses to not advertise it as such.
Samsung left themselves a safety gap since they know customers will go above and beyond the rated limits and they don't want to have to deal with all the pissed off customers.
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Guess we'll find out when it hits the market and everyone goes underwater to take photos. I'm sure then we will find the "threshold," lol.
deeznuts said:
Guess we'll find out when it hits the market and everyone goes underwater to take photos. I'm sure then we will find the "threshold," lol.
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Samsung is going to advertise the phone as water resistant and to a consumer's ears that will mean waterproof. People will take the phone way below 1m under water and will probably complain if it gets damaged, the thing I'm wondering is will the warranty cover water damage?
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msavic6 said:
Samsung is going to advertise the phone as water resistant and to a consumer's ears that will mean waterproof. People will take the phone way below 1m under water and will probably complain if it gets damaged, the thing I'm wondering is will the warranty cover water damage?
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Doubtful, this is why i also get a third party insurance on my devices. Cover everything except loss/stolen phone. I'm sure the youtube videos will be entertaining though! Really stuck between getting the S5 as my first Samsung device, the Z2, or the new HTC but have yet to see what they offer. I'm really liking the water resistant feature though and doubt HTC will have it to offer a hell of a lot for my personal interest. Seems HTC is always 6-8mths behind everyone else. Upgrade is soon for me.
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GUYS,
PLEASE BEWARE, the Galaxy S3 is no where as sturdy as the S1 which i previously owned or a S2.
Today it just fell off from my pocket and see what happened to the screen :-(
I had dropped my previous S1 a million times in the period of 2 years and not a single scratch
I am going to give it in on warranty, pathetic stuff from samsung
please everyone take care and use a casing.
Yikes
That's annoying. Hope you get it fixed mate.
I wonder if Samsung does that dirty trick of logging out the G sensor to detect whether it's been dropped or not and not accept warranty repairs based on it.
It was all fine after the drop. I used it for about 30 min. Then when i woke up in the morning, the screen was like this
it was a very subtle drop, this is pathetic quality and should be covered under manufacturer defect
Warranty don't cover clumsiness
G-sensor isn't a dirty trick to see if phone is dropped its proof
Sending back for warranty repairs saying you didn't drop it is a dirty trick
If you drop your phone a million times I strongly suggest phone insurance and a otter box case
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then they should say that this phone is made out of glass.
ITs a phone its supposed to be able to take such small hicups
Suck it up man.
Don't drop so much money on something so epic if you can't take care of it.
Phone aren't made for dropping.
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To be fair, its pretty reasonable to expect that someone would at some point in a two year period drop a device that they will likely be carrying about with them ALL the time and removing it from and replacing it in their pocket frequently.
Just yesterday my s3, having only got it on monday, slid off the arm of my sofa because every surface of it is glassy smooth and bounced off the edge of a wooden table. Luckily it was unscathed but it is not unreasonable to expect a device of this nature to be able to withstand such an accident.
There is a certain amount of luck involved here though because obvioisly even the lightest tap at the right angle and position could shatter a screen.
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manemzjum said:
Warranty don't cover clumsiness
G-sensor isn't a dirty trick to see if phone is dropped its proof
Sending back for warranty repairs saying you didn't drop it is a dirty trick
If you drop your phone a million times I strongly suggest phone insurance and a otter box case
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Agree with the last line if you are prone to dropping the phone alot you should definitely get a otterbox.
Joshnz said:
Suck it up man.
Don't drop so much money on something so epic if you can't take care of it.
Phone aren't made for dropping.
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If i am paying this amount of money for a phone i would expect it to survive a fall or 2.
hefonthefjords said:
To be fair, its pretty reasonable to expect that someone would at some point in a two year period drop a device that they will likely be carrying about with them ALL the time and removing it from and replacing it in their pocket frequently.
Just yesterday my s3, having only got it on monday, slid off the arm of my sofa because every surface of it is glassy smooth and bounced off the edge of a wooden table. Luckily it was unscathed but it is not unreasonable to expect a device of this nature to be able to withstand such an accident.
There is a certain amount of luck involved here though because obvioisly even the lightest tap at the right angle and position could shatter a screen.
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In the 6 months that i had my S2 i dropped it twice and Thank GOD nothing happened to it.. i am careful with my phone but in the end i am just human and it is quite possible for the phone to fall.
Do you want a slim sexy phone that is fragile, or do you want a sturdy phone like this?
zondakaka said:
it was a very subtle drop, this is pathetic quality and should be covered under manufacturer defect
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only if the manufacturer dropped it.
Tachikoma_kun said:
Do you want a slim sexy phone that is fragile, or do you want a sturdy phone like this?
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LOL was gonna reply with teh same
Also try playing cricket and catching ball you'll develop better grip and control over things you hold in your hands
sak500 said:
LOL was gonna reply with teh same
Also try playing cricket and catching ball you'll develop better grip and control over things you hold in your hands
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With today's technology and what it costs is the minimum that can withstand drops of at least 50 cm like my RAZR .........
If im not mistaken it seems as if all the white ones are the ones with the faulty issues... the cracked screens, the exploding phone, dead screen... dont you think that might be the reason they're releasing the white at a later time? to perfect it a lil more...i read something where that they had to redo the pebble blue because of some issues and maybe they're redo'ing the white version...hmmm makes sense....:good:
Unlucky mate, hope it gets fixed. I am fairly certain that my phone is going to get dropped sooner or later, simply because it's so big (even more so in a case) that I can't hold it securely in one hand and operate it properly at the same time.
Tbh I'm going to keep hold of it until the rumoured multiple Nexuses come out later in the year and then maybe sell it on to get something slightly smaller.
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If im not mistaken it seems as if all the white ones are the ones with the faulty issues... the cracked screens, the exploding phone, dead screen... dont you think that might be the reason they're releasing the white at a later time? to perfect it a lil more...i read something where that they had to redo the pebble blue because of some issues and maybe they're redo'ing the white version...hmmm makes sense....:good:
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no. I think since the pebble blue was delayed due to Samsung's color issue, the bulk of what was immediately available were the white phones. Then when a few units had problems, they happened to be white.
My white one fell out of my hoody jacket as I was running for the bus, I was lucky that it landed on the cement, not the grass or I wouldn't have noticed it. Three corners have massive damage and there paint scraped off, it really did hit the ground hard. But the screen is perfect
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Tachikoma_kun said:
Do you want a slim sexy phone that is fragile, or do you want a sturdy phone like this?
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looks like some alien robot
Tachikoma_kun said:
Do you want a slim sexy phone that is fragile, or do you want a sturdy phone like this?
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...or how about something that does both like the Galaxy S2
I agree that if you drop your phone you only have yourself to blame if it breaks but having said that i also believe a device like this should be able to withstand some drops, they managed it with the S1 & the S2.
My advice would be to get it insured and get a case of any description, something is better than nothing, even if it's only a pouch!
giftedgiggsy11 said:
...or how about something that does both like the Galaxy S2
I agree that if you drop your phone you only have yourself to blame if it breaks but having said that i also believe a device like this should be able to withstand some drops, they managed it with the S1 & the S2.
My advice would be to get it insured and get a case of any description, something is better than nothing, even if it's only a pouch!
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Did you even read two comments above yours?
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Hey everyone,
My Xperia Z1 Compact has been sent in to the repair center now because of a waterdamage caused by a leaking backcover / frame whick killed the camera button first and then the mainboard. All flaps and so were closed and no water got in that way. 2-3 weeks and I'll have my Z1 Compact again.
Anyone else who've been sending in their phones on warranty because of waterdamage? How did it go? Did they replace the phone or did they just repair it?
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devstaff said:
Hey everyone,
My Xperia Z1 Compact has been sent in to the repair center now because of a waterdamage caused by a leaking backcover / frame whick killed the camera button first and then the mainboard. All flaps and so were closed and no water got in that way. 2-3 weeks and I'll have my Z1 Compact again.
Anyone else who've been sending in their phones on warranty because of waterdamage? How did it go? Did they replace the phone or did they just repair it?
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thats scarry. even if waterproof, i wont risk my z1c in the pool anytime. heard lots of storys about the z1c damaging itself with water even with flaps closed...
profyler said:
thats scarry. even if waterproof, i wont risk my z1c in the pool anytime. heard lots of storys about the z1c damaging itself with water even with flaps closed...
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Yes, I was terrified whem my phone broke as I've only had it for 2-3 weeks . I hope that they'll resolves it, otherwise I will just use my insurance.
And this phone, Xperia Arc S, drives me crazy as it's slow and sluggish.
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@OP,
I've been through a similar experience with yours ... more details here .. starting from #12.
Spoilers: happy ending ... at #28
well mine survived the pool, hot sun. used it more than 30 mins in wet conditions, ans 20 mins straight underwater on 2m depth.
2 weeks later, now, no issue at all.
just the sound bug in kitkat my alarm struggles to ring, but its funny
ro_explorer said:
@OP,
I've been through a similar experience with yours ... more details here .. starting from #12.
Spoilers: happy ending ... at #28
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Did your backcover sound weird when pressing down on it on 2 of the corners?
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Nope .. no sound. It is solid as a rock ...
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Nope .. no sound. It is solid as a rock ...
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Good, I miss my phone already
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Man, I don't even want to know how Sony is going to handle warranty claims based on water damage.
It's going to be a nightmare. At least in Germany, where mobile phone companies try a lot of things to avoid a warranty repair / exchange.
How will it be possible for the consumer (and Sony) to determine whether it was an open port or a valid claim....?
How are things going to play out if Sony claims that it was an open port - and I'm sure it wasn't.
Those are the concerns that make me keep my Z1c dry at the moment...
Regards,
Yoko
maybe replace it with a refurbished one
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Yup happened to me.
What happened was, I bought this in Taiwan on my honeymoon and to test the "WaterProof" claim, I threw it in the ocean in Guam, took under water photos with it and it died a few hours later.
Sony said that they it is waterproof only in FRESHWATER but the repair center was nice enough to send me a brand new replacement unit. Since this was a product outside of the USA region, they actually went out of their way to import it and send it to me. The process took a month but I'm happy they made the effort!
yep, my phone is for evetualy rain drops or drops from bath, i dont trust this device in the pool...
soulreaver99 said:
Sony said that they it is waterproof only in FRESHWATER but the repair center was nice enough to send me a brand new replacement unit.
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WOW!
That would never hapen in Germany, at least I have never heard of such a customer service!
Indeed the Z1c is only rated for fresh water with the explanation that salt water will conduct electricity between the two magnetic charger points...
I don't know about that, but at least they gave an explanation...
Yoko
So there are more people who've been encountering this "issue". Hmm
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Creaky back
devstaff said:
Did your backcover sound weird when pressing down on it on 2 of the corners?
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My fones back is somewhat creaky.. should i be worried about this waterdamage stuff? I use it in water alot and dont want to ruin it but i got a waterproof fone cause i wanted a 'waterproof' one! I want to install the glass back to maby make it more solid.
howdy all,
bought my device early february in germany and took it into a freshwater pool standing and taking a couple of underwater face shots via the camera button.
shortly after that the display startet to get all distorted and i powered it off all the way and took out all cards. i thoroughly airdryed it with the car vents on my way back home and was able to revive it.
a couple of days later i repeated the procedure in the said pool and it killed the device - it shut down and upon restart it got stuck at the battery symbol.
all indicators had turned red even though i am sure i closed all holes correctly and did not exceed the depth limitations!
since there was no saturn in my city i returned it to mediamarkt, who luckily exchanged the device to a brand spanking new one- i doubt they send it to sony care center before that!
lucky me, i guess!
left wondering how far i can go with my new device and what the cause for this dreaded leakage might have been !!!???
greetz
Thanks for sharing your story. Maybe in this way Sony will realize that when they write IPX7 on their specs, people expect that rating to be real.
Sorry folks but I am not going to take a risk to use the phone under water just to take two silly pictures. I think it's nice to have a phone that you can use while it rains, but if I really want to take pics underwater I just buy a camera. Also this 30 minutes limit sounds kinda silly, I never heard a waterproof device that goes by time.
I am not sure how sony got that rating approved, or even if the rating is approved or not.
i put mine under water quite a few times (fresh water) never an issue. be certain your flaps are closed 'n stuff
i even showered with it for the heck of it
Update:
It seems like I will get a new Z1 Compact, as the servivce status has been changed to:
Waiting for technical information from manufacturer
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With the huge interest in the 4K and Timeshift Video mod, I figured now's better than ever to open a thread for sample footage either slow-motion or in 4K for those who are still in doubt whether or not to root their Xperia Z1 [Compact], or those who already have the mod installed and want to see what others can do with it. (those of you who have an Xperia Z1 [Compact] version that cannot be rooted - I recommend you don't watch these videos. You will get jealous and I do feel sorry for you)
To start this thread off, there's the amateuristic video I made:
Disclaimer: the mod does not work with the Xperia Z as far as I know - I've seen this question too many times all over the interwebz so don't even bother here. Other questions about the mod are welcome as long as it's not about the installing or flashing procedure.
Disclaimer 2: don't bother commenting about my fingerboarding skills either, I'm seriously not serious about this.
Xperia Z1 slow motion 120fps: http://youtu.be/HSysMJfkLEM
The water is very foggy I know
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Wow cool! Both videos look great!
ak800i said:
Xperia Z1 slow motion 120fps: http://youtu.be/HSysMJfkLEM
The water is very foggy I know
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You have some guts taking this phone underwater. I will never do that esp after seeing so many people cry as their warranty was denied bcoz of waster insertion.
Water is the best cooling agent
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I put my phone two times in water, I washed it two times also. No problems at all. Just the sound is a little lower when the water touch the phone.
But, after 10-15 min. it's all the same.
I don't wanna lose warranty with rooting and putting these features, but I'm eager to get them...
Putting your phone under water has higher risk of voiding your warranty rather than rooting your phone.
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ak800i said:
Xperia Z1 slow motion 120fps: http://youtu.be/HSysMJfkLEM
The water is very foggy I know
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You shouldn't put it under water, I was like that when watching: yes, yes ,yes, then under water, No, No, NO, then up, yes, yes....LOL....
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You shouldn't put it under water, I was like that when watching: yes, yes ,yes, then under water, No, No, NO, then up, yes, yes....LOL....
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Hahaha, I did it a few times now, we'll more than a few let's say about 20 and no problems. the sound is lower because it clogs the speaker and mic but it's back to normal as soon as it dries out. this is my second Z1 (the first had some headphone problem and they replaced it) and both have survived numerous submersions
I just make sure all the ports are properly sealed
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First test I did was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C52YIUnO43k
W. default settings, I think it's like 1/4 but you can slow even more with the apps, at 1/8
Gotta film more things, pretty sweet thing!
ravi_buz said:
You have some guts taking this phone underwater. I will never do that esp after seeing so many people cry as their warranty was denied bcoz of waster insertion.
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My phone got drowned with water, and covered under warranty. Because if the water damage was not for the users own fault, eg not closing flaps or something caught in them breaking the seal.
If Sony finds the phone has had water inside, the first thing they do is ensure that the flaps etc are closed and clear of debris, then conduct a pressure test, submerge the phone in water. If water is detected inside, then you have warranty because it is obviously a manufacturing or repair (if applicable) defect.
Lol at the people afraid of putting their phone under water. I've lost count of the times I've washed my phone or gone in the pool with it.
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I wish service center here do the same test. Once I went there for touch issue and another guy brought his phone. The service center reception guy just told him that his warranty is void as water has entered and told his to pay 50% of the actual price to get a new one.
For my touch issue he told that I have enabled "show touch" in developer option and that's why I have it ?
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Couple of Dog Videos
I shot these at a friend's house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmVG5RkrU4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8uQKTE4gA
Apologise if this isn't the correct thread to ask this but can the slow motion effects be applied to 120fps video after saving?
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Lol same here, I got my phone damaged somehow maybe after taking a shower with it( started flickering right after), and all flaps were closed etc but the screen started flickering and eventually died, sent it to sony, got it back with a new screen and outer housing, now the question is, is it still waterproof?
Have not rooted it yet, i got lazy to downgrade my firmware then root, then upgrade to keep root, currently the latest and greatest firmware cannot be rooted on the c6916
-Cries after seeing the videos because I'm on a non-Sony rom-
:crying:
Here is my YouTube Playlist for the same, hope you enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLc1lDW7QCh-eGciLiNvdTI0TJ4yEegcBZ
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Apologise if this isn't the correct thread to ask this but can the slow motion effects be applied to 120fps video after saving?
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Yes, in the album, you will see movie creator icon on the bottom when you open up the 120fps video.
from there you can edit speed of any selected part again
It's more like who doesn't put their phone under water. 1 of the main selling points for this phone at the time anyway. I have done it countless times and no issues at all. I paid for a water proof phone it will take a dip with me when i want it to.
Damn... That's a shame. Time has passed since the swimming pool photos campaigns of the Z series...
www.engadget.com/2015/09/11/sony-xp...e=dlvr.it&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi
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There never was full immersion water proof. If your phone got wet inside, sony just stated that phone flaps wasnt closed properly before immersion.
I think it was south africa who denied sony to adverdise z1 as phone that you can fully immersion to water
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Well, it's a long discussion of what was and what wasn't. Some phones were definitely waterproof and Sony undeniably marketed their Z line at least as fit for taking underwater photos. My zr swam under water with no issues. But it's also true that many people had ruined their Xperias like that. This is the first time Sony actually says: don't put it under water. And it's a shame.
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I think waterproofness has not changed at all, only sonys guarantee
I wanna buy this phone, are you sure it isn't waterproof? I had an Xperia Go which is not a very good phone, but anyway I used to throw it in the pool and nothing happened. I'm also curious if you can take under water photos with this phone.
I have seen videos on YouTube of people putting it in a glass of water and I have read that some people's phones (regarding earlier z generations) were not waterproof while other's were.
I have not dared to try it myself but I think it is as mele80 said.
I view it as a safety net to protect against accidental spillages and unpredictable weather rather than a feature designed to be intentionally exploited. I don't intend on purposely testing out the waterproofing capabilities!
Again misleading topic But z5c is still waterproof just use it with care..
RiTCHiE007 said:
Again misleading topic But z5c is still waterproof just use it with care..
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Excuse me, what's misleading about it?
- marketing campaign clearly showing Z series (before z4) being submerged and taking underwater photos
- accidents happen to quite a few phones (some might have been submerged without proper cap attachment but I'm sure you don't believe all Xperia users are stupid enough to forget a simple gesture such as attaching the caps)
- Sony saying now you should not submerge the phones.
That's what the thread is about, and these are all facts.
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Damn... That's a shame. Time has passed since the swimming pool photos campaigns of the Z series...
www.engadget.com/2015/09/11/sony-xp...e=dlvr.it&utm_campaign=Engadget&ncid=rss_semi
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Just watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2jSk_5uKY
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Just watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X2jSk_5uKY
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Let me know when you do the same
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Disclaimers:
*The Xperia Z5 Compact is waterproof and protected against dust, so don’t worry if you get caught in the rain or want to wash off dirt under a tap, but remember: all ports and attached covers should be firmly closed. You should not put the device completely underwater or expose it to seawater, salt water, chlorinated water or liquids such as drinks. Abuse and improper use of device will invalidate warranty. The device has Ingress Protection rating IP65/68. For more info see www.sonymobile.com/waterproof. Note: the Xperia™ has a capless USB port to connect and charge. The USB port needs to be completely dry before charging.
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I think we are safe to use or have the phone under the shower and all that.
But don't submerge it in water with soap/foam (in a bathtub), chlorinated water (swimming pool) or even potable water if you are living in a zone with a lot of calcium (bathtub / glass of tap water. Just look at your pans to know about this). If it is a more alkaline water, it would be less risky.
Of course we can do this for a short time to film a video or something. But there are risks.
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I think we are safe to use or have the phone under the shower and all that.
But don't submerge it in water with soap/foam (in a bathtub), chlorinated water (swimming pool) or even potable water if you are living in a zone with a lot of calcium (bathtub / glass of tap water. Just look at your pans to know about this). If it is a more alkaline water, it would be less risky.
Of course we can do this for a short time to film a video or something. But there are risks.
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No there is no risk if you take care of your phone. The phone should be good when the water pressure dont get above 1.5bar so aslong as you dont go in flowing water or dive with it, it should be fine.
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Let me know when you do the same
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Why? Thats why we have youtube so we dont need to do the same.
RiTCHiE007 said:
No there is no risk if you take care of your phone. The phone should be good when the water pressure dont get above 1.5bar so aslong as you dont go in flowing water or dive with it, it should be fine.
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Why? Thats why we have youtube so we dont need to do the same.
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Ah, so the phone is waterproof only on YouTube? That makes sense.
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Ah, so the phone is waterproof only on YouTube? That makes sense.
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No it makes more sense if you use your brain. Youtube is just a sample of what the phone can do so its not only waterproof on youtube but also IRL.
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No there is no risk if you take care of your phone. The phone should be good when the water pressure dont get above 1.5bar so aslong as you dont go in flowing water or dive with it, it should be fine.
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The problem is that this 1.5bar figure is for normal tap water.
Everything what thesebastian mentioned lowers this figure. Soap lowers surface tension so soapy water can get past the seals at lower pressure. Salt and chlor can damage seals which lowers the maximum pressure they can take permanently. Water is not = water.
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Youtube is just a sample of what the phone can do so its not only waterproof on youtube but also IRL.
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It is the reverse actually.
Example: A youtube video of a phone falling 2 meters and not breaking.
Would you take that as proof they the phone in question will not break under such conditions?
No, of course not. It just means that it there is a *possibility* of it not breaking after a 2m fall. This is precisely because the youtube video is a sample of "what the phone can do". It cannot show the whole picture - and other possibilities what the "phone can do" is "break after the fall".
Same with the dunking video. The question is not if it can get damaged by water, that one is already answered. 100% waterproof does not exist. Even if the phone is normally 100% waterproof, there is always the chance of defects.
So question is the probability of it getting water damage. That chance can be any number- 0,001%, 1%, 5%, 25% or 75%. A youtube video of a single device getting submerged cannot show this.
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The problem is that this 1.5bar figure is for normal tap water.
Everything what thesebastian mentioned lowers this figure. Soap lowers surface tension so soapy water can get past the seals at lower pressure. Salt and chlor can damage seals which lowers the maximum pressure they can take permanently. Water is not = water.
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It is the reverse actually.
Example: A youtube video of a phone falling 2 meters and not breaking.
Would you take that as proof they the phone in question will not break under such conditions?
No, of course not. It just means that it there is a *possibility* of it not breaking after a 2m fall. This is precisely because the youtube video is a sample of "what the phone can do". It cannot show the whole picture - and other possibilities what the "phone can do" is "break after the fall".
Same with the dunking video. The question is not if it can get damaged by water, that one is already answered. 100% waterproof does not exist. Even if the phone is normally 100% waterproof, there is always the chance of defects.
So question is the probability of it getting water damage. That chance can be any number- 0,001%, 1%, 5%, 25% or 75%. A youtube video of a single device getting submerged cannot show this.
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Well i said youtube gives you a sample of whats possible and if you take care of your phone then you can use it in all sorts of different water types aslong as you clean it after. But the point is that not everyone uses their brain and think it can handle all without doing some checking etc before you gonna do it like check testmode and see if its waterproof before you dip it into water. Problem is that people use it in flowing water etc that raises the water pressure or go diving with it. I tried it so many times with my z3c and never had 1 problem even in salt water alsong as you clean it.
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Well i said youtube gives you a sample of whats possible and if you take care of your phone then you can use it in all sorts of different water types aslong as you clean it after. But the point is that not everyone uses their brain and think it can handle all without doing some checking etc before you gonna do it like check testmode and see if its waterproof before you dip it into water. Problem is that people use it in flowing water etc that raises the water pressure or go diving with it. I tried it so many times with my z3c and never had 1 problem even in salt water alsong as you clean it.
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Which means that you use your brain and everyone else who got their phones screwed after dunking them didn't use their brain. Impressive.
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Which means that you use your brain and everyone else who got their phones screwed after dunking them didn't use their brain. Impressive.
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No thats not what im saying but the thing is you will always hear first from people that screw up some how or got a bad device and still went under water. Like 99% of the people that have a good working device with no problems are less eager to start a topic or to respond to a topic. And yes you will always have some people that take it to far and those are the ones that dont think before they do anything.
Note that the water coming from the shower might be more than 1.5 bar.
Moving the phone in water might make the relative pressure more than 1.5bar.
It's the same problem with watch. The pressure of specifications are intend for non moving stuff in non moving water. It's like when you put your and thru the windows of a running car, the air is at normal pressure but on your hand, you feel the resistance increase with speed.
I had my 64gig note5 for 3 weeks. I treated it like every other phone i have ever had, including pulled it out in a light drizzle for 2 seconds to check a text.
Apparently this phone is not water safe at all.
My screen started acting up and i sent it in, and they say it has water damage, from just having a few dots of rain in it, IN A CASE.
Last Samsung product I ever buy. And I have bought a lot from them.
Be careful. Buy insurance. Or don't buy this phone.
When i get it back i will do a tear down and show you were it is vulnerable.
This says otherwise... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOSS_YeeKRs
2 seconds of light drizzle will not damage this phone in that manor. Maybe we need to define what "light drizzle" is. our definitions may be different!
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Light drizzle as in when I wiped it off and put it back in my pocket the screen had maybe 8 raindrops on it.
As far as how other phones do in videos, IDK, all I know is my phone and how I treated it and how Samsung denied my repair.
I asked the guy when I called them how he knows there wasn't a failure in manufacture of the glue or whatever and they refused to even talk about that, "It shows water damage inside", that was all the proof he needed that it was not the phone's fault.
I actually added up all the TVs and such I have bought from Samsung, it's over $10k, and I could probably buy that again in future stuff easily. It's too bad they have terrible service, they have lost a lot of future income.
It's not surprising Apple is beating them up again.
If I did something like dropped this phone in water or spilled a big gulp on it, I wouldn't be complaining, that's my fault. But NO $900 phone should be toast from a few rain drops. It's pathetic.
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2 seconds of light drizzle will not damage this phone in that manor. Maybe we need to define what "light drizzle" is. our definitions may be different!
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Sorry I just can't imagine 8 raindrops damaging a phone like that........$900 for a Note 5? That's crazy. Where'd you buy it for that price?
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It's from Sprint direct.
Is it even water damage? Or is it just Samsung's poor service? IDK.
Yes, it's crazy. Yes, I can't imagine a few drops of rain can destroy a 3 week phone, and that they see "corrosion" inside when it was only a 2 weeks old when I pulled it out in the drizzle.
Yes, I can't imagine it either, but it happened.
What's even worse though, is Samsung didn't even offer to fix it for cost. They say it costs MORE to fix than buy a new one. Which is completely a joke. They can't put a new motherboard in it for less than $900? That's just insane.
Imagine if you bought a new car and blew up the engine and it cost more to put in a new engine than to buy a new one?
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Sorry I just can't imagine 8 raindrops damaging a phone like that........$900 for a Note 5? That's crazy. Where'd you buy it for that price?
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Or is it just Samsung's poor service? IDK.
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Less than 24 hours after I got it I dropped mine from about two feet. It landed half on the grass half on the concrete patio. The back glass cracked. Rather than rant that the back shouldn't have cracked from that particular drop I owned it and called Samsung to get it repaired. It's $76 including them paying roundtrip 2 day shipping. I'd say that's pretty good service. The progress of the repair was available to me step-by-step onine and it was quite detailed. Do you mind posting yours? I'd be curious to see what led to it being beyond economical repair.
Imagine if you bought a new car and blew up the engine and it cost more to put in a new engine than to buy a news one?
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If I put diesel in a two week old gas-powered car not too hard to imagine at all. You admit you got the phone wet so the part that's gray is how wet you got it. I left mine outside face up on the patio table and it got caught in a sudden rain shower. It was fine in every respect afterward. So at least based on my experience it's not that water sensitive. But each drop and water encounter is different so everyone's experience is YMMV.
Yeah samsung will not fix anything at their cost once water damage is confirmed from that little sticker.
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Sounds like your seals are faulty or the drain lane was clogged with dirt.
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Anecdotes do not equal facts...
Title of this thread is misleading.
First, Samsung never claim this phone is water resistance or Water proof. Second, You just have the ****tiest luck, Mine was in my jeans the other day, soaking wet from heavy rain and it still working.
What you should have try is turning it off and sat it in front of a fan for a couple hours to see if that fix it.
P.s it not physically possible that a light drizzle can messed up the screen...unless rain got through the ear piece. or you just trolling around.
One drop just got in the wrong place, like through the connector in the bottom or something
a 2 sec rain "drizzle" dropping into the bottom connector, frying the motherboard is an unlikely event lol.
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All I can say is "Murphy's law".
Just bad luck, I had self broken back glass on Z3 and stuck autofocus (constant macro shots lol) which I fixed by shaking the phone, looked like lense was stuck.
And yeah I'm even more impressed by your accident considering all the waterproof tests which S6 passed or lasted for very long till fully dead.
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Water dots can be activated if you have it in the bathroom while taking a hot shower...
Anyone who damages their note 5 due to him/her taking it into an environment extreme enough to cause water dots is user error. Not the fault of the manufacturer!
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Water dots can be activated if you have it in the bathroom while taking a hot shower...
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I know this is anecdotal but I've been doing this (playing music while taking a shower, shaving etc...) for years with all my phones. I have never had a problem, ever, not even once.
HNIC215 said:
I know this is anecdotal but I've been doing this (playing music while taking a shower, shaving etc...) for years with all my phones. I have never had a problem, ever, not even once.
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he didn't say you would have problems. However, bringing this, or most other devices into a steamy room can trigger the water damage indicators.
bfilipowski said:
he didn't say you would have problems. However, bringing this, or most other devices into a steamy room can trigger the water damage indicators.
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I never suggested he said anything...
I said "I know this is anecdotal but..."
Basically giving my own opinion based on my own experiences with smartphones.
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I never suggested he said anything...
I said "I know this is anecdotal but..."
Basically giving my own opinion based on my own experiences with smartphones.
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Understood. I was just stating an all to common issue based on my experience as a service and repair technician for Samsung devices. There is no wiggle room when the water indicator is tripped. Only option is insurance replacement.
Do whatever you want with your phone. I'll continue to use my waterproof Bluetooth speaker in damp areas.