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CPU clocked to 800Mhz

Aparently the CPU may only be clocked to 800Mhz........

If you got this from the Au website, Whirlpool, than I think they are talking about the iPhone 4, not the Galaxy S

well it's from the galaxy s thread and one of the guy who's doing the testing and stuff for samsung says this......definitely not iphone.
Guess just wait and see when it's released I suppose

huh? wat are you guys talking about? its 1ghz cpu

forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1409745&p=58#r1152 is the link to the post where the user suggests it is 800mhz underclocked.

Yh, sorry, was reading a thread where they were talking about the iPhone being underclocked, just reading more, it seems it may be the case.
Will mean battery last longer, not such a bad thing, as long as it doesn't effect any of the performance of the phone

If they say 1Ghz then it is 1Ghz or else they're going to have a lawsuit on their hands. Nothing in between(except of course scaling).

I have the galaxy s and im pretty sure its 1ghz.. at least system panel tells me its 1ghz but singapore set are all 16gb model.
information from system panel:
ARMv7 Processor rev 2 (v7I)
bogomips 797.90 (may vary)
min clock 100mhz
max clock 1000mhz
on Nexus one using pershoot kernel but cpuset at 245mhz - 998mhz, it shows:
ARMv7 processor rev 2 (v7I)
bogomips 662.40 (may vary)
min clock 245 mhz
max clock 998mhz
so maybe the 8gb are down clocked?

Doubt the 8Gb version would be clocked lower. Thanks for posting your findings!

It's just the power of forums and the internet, allowing mis-information to spread at the speed of light

lol yep, looks like he was confused at the sliding clock speed....

when i ran quandrant standard it read armv7 processor rev 2 , max 1000 min 100
set frequency 800
is that normal
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It's 1 GHz, I checked the clock frequency with a monitoring application and it's dynamic but when required it clocks up to 1 GHz.

Intratech said:
It's 1 GHz, I checked the clock frequency with a monitoring application and it's dynamic but when required it clocks up to 1 GHz.
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thanks for clearing this up
regards

Wait, what?
The iPhone 4 may be clocked at 800mhz?
Can someone give source on this?

Pika007 said:
Wait, what?
The iPhone 4 may be clocked at 800mhz?
Can someone give source on this?
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I don't have a link to that claim, but I think it was Gizmodo in their testing of the iPhone 4 and iPad noted the iPad did feel faster and the web browser rendered pages faster, despite both using the A4 processor. They hypothesised that it is the same architecture CPU in both, but different clock speeds.
After all, to get 10 hours out of the iPad the teardowns and x-ray scans show about 80% of the volume inside is all battery. If the iPhone 4 and iPad had the same processor, you'd think the iPhone's battery would be pretty bad considering the far smaller volume (although smaller screen not sucking as much power).
Wouldn't be surprising. After all, the Motorola Milestone / Droid has a mild underclock, as does the Acer Liquid to preserve battery life.
Probably cheaper for Apple to only have to manufacture 1 chip (the A4), but clock at different speeds appropriate to each device's battery life.
Apple doesn't focus as much on specs though, more that the user interface feels fast and smooth. If it achieves that purpose no need to worry about numbers, whereas since we have so much choice of handsets on Android specs do make a difference for us to know depending on our needs (eg: price vs performance vs battery).

My Samsung Galaxy S is running at 800mhz it sucks... i flashed it last night with the final build of 2.2 I9000XXjP6 for the Galaxy does anybody no how i can overclock it to 1ghz thanks People

The Galaxy S has a 1 GHz CPU. However, the clock speed is lowered while not needed to save battery life, just like on any modern PC. By default it is using the conservative governor.
The iPhone4 never was supposed to get a 1 GHz CPU. Apple never disclosed the number. But those who made benchmarks estimated the clock speed at about 800 MHz since is is about 20% slower than the iPad.

There is a Galaxy Lite version in some other countries that only maxes out at 800 Mhz
i think the guy reviewing the phone got it mixed up with that

AllGamer said:
There is a Galaxy Lite version in some other countries that only maxes out at 800 Mhz
i think the guy reviewing the phone got it mixed up with that
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He might have got mixed up, but the final 2.2 build for the Samsung Galaxy S is maxed out at 800 MHz for some stupid reason…. I’m going to flash it tonight again with a earlier build of 2.2 as I did some bench test and its only scoring a measly 900 points with the latest firmware installed.. Were as before it was scoring well over 2k…

SGSIII Mali 400 Drivers on the note!

The folks at the HTC Sensation/EVO 3D section extracted the Adreno 225 drivers from the HTC One S, as some of you may know that the Adreno 225 is the same as the Adreno 220 GPU but just have double the frequency! the frequency has nothing to do here if you ask, using these drivers gave them a HUGE performance boost with the STOCK frequency
as we know that the Mali 400 GPU at the SGSIII is clocked at 400mhz but even if you clocked your Mali 400 GPU in your Note (which has the same Resolution) you wont be able to reach that performance which tells me that its all about the drivers just like the Adreno 225
So can the Developers extract the Mali 400 Drivers from the SGSIII so we can use it on our phones?
This is not a question so i think it belongs to here not the Q/A section as its just a discussion if this is going to work or not!

Same driver, bigger screen = performance loss.
That is why Sammy set CPU 200 Mhz faster on Note over S2.

Screen has NOTHING to do with anything the Resolution does, which is the same in the SGSIII and the Note
Also that's why i said if you overclock the GPU to 400mhz you still wont reach that performance so it has to do with the Drivers

The note and SGSIII do indeed have different different screen resolutions, the Note being at 1280x800, while the SGSIII is at 1280x720. not much of a difference though, basically 16:10 vs 16:9, respectively. I believe the new Mali400 Drivers will be in the next ROM update anyway.

Hell Guardian said:
The folks at the HTC Sensation/EVO 3D section extracted the Adreno 225 drivers from the HTC One S, as some of you may know that the Adreno 225 is the same as the Adreno 220 GPU but just have double the frequency! the frequency has nothing to do here if you ask, using these drivers gave them a HUGE performance boost with the STOCK frequency
as we know that the Mali 400 GPU at the SGSIII is clocked at 400mhz but even if you clocked your Mali 400 GPU in your Note (which has the same Resolution) you wont be able to reach that performance which tells me that its all about the drivers just like the Adreno 225
So can the Developers extract the Mali 400 Drivers from the SGSIII so we can use it on our phones?
This is not a question so i think it belongs to here not the Q/A section as its just a discussion if this is going to work or not!
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Well , if they are exactly the same just different clock speeds then I would think they should work indeed.
This is interesting and I certainly hope it does , not that at 400mhz or even less, the GPU is lacking but who does not like more performance for free?

Muskie said:
The note and SGSIII do indeed have different different screen resolutions, the Note being at 1280x800, while the SGSIII is at 1280x720. not much of a difference though, basically 16:10 vs 16:9, respectively. I believe the new Mali400 Drivers will be in the next ROM update anyway.
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I know that but that deference is not major by any mean to effect the performance that much is they are both have the same frequency
shaolin95 said:
Well , if they are exactly the same just different clock speeds then I would think they should work indeed.
This is interesting and I certainly hope it does , not that at 400mhz or even less, the GPU is lacking but who does not like more performance for free?
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My thoughts exactly, If they folks at the Sensation did it, why can't we?

Link of the Drivers that got extracted from the One S
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1643472
Just check the replies to see the performance boost, This is the EXACT same situation as the Note and the SGSIII GPU

Wow, that's a good boost.

nex7er said:
Wow, that's a good boost.
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I think if the Note users can have that kind of boost on their phones that will eliminate ANY kind of lag in the UI and it i will be Amazingly smooth it will also give huge boost to the SGSII users

if this really happened and it does work, what about the battery-life... can be poorer i think

In theory, I see where you're going with this, and in theory it sounds plausible. However, something that I think has been overlooked is the process design of the new S3's chipset vs the ones found in the current generation S2/Note (45nm vs 32nm). It's entirely possible that the only reason why Samsung is able to run the Mali-400 at 400mhz is due to the fact that the 32nm process is just that much more efficient, such that you can safely run at 400mhz using the same power as you would running at 266mhz on the 45nm process.
I just get the feeling that trying to push the 45nm process up to 400mhz might simply melt the silicon (or at least gobble your battery life in one gulp!). Call me defeatist if you have to, but I remain skeptical until I see evidence to the contrary.

I run my galaxy nexus with the GPU clocked to 512mhz (standard is 308mhz), and that cpu too uses the 45nm process.
Been running it like that for the last 3 months with no issue, and game fps is greatly improved.
Is there any kernels at all that even support over clocking the GNote gpu?

Very interesting, Would like to see this being investigated further for sure!

screen has nothing to do with it...on note we got 100k more pixels 1280x800-1280x720=100k
,,, and s3 has more cores in the mali-gpu...but yea i think the drivers would get us more performance

lyp9176 said:
if this really happened and it does work, what about the battery-life... can be poorer i think
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The sg s3 seems to have a decent battery life

resistant said:
screen has nothing to do with it...on note we got 100k more pixels 1280x800-1280x720=100k
,,, and s3 has more cores in the mali-gpu...but yea i think the drivers would get us more performance
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After some digging I found that the GPU In Exinos 4210(SGS2/Note) and 4412 (SGS3) is absolutely the same Mali 400MP4 (same number of GPU cores)! The only difference is that the 4412 GPU Can Go up to 400MHz (which is doable to our GPU too and have been done to the SGS2 already). The main difference here are the four CPU cores that help the GPU. I'm skeptical that the new drivers will do much (if at all) in terms of performance! Oh and lets not forget that the Adreno GPU Drivers are written by Qualcomm and they can't do anything right so the updated drivers may just be better written (or at least less buggier) than the old ones!

Manya3084 said:
I run my galaxy nexus with the GPU clocked to 512mhz (standard is 308mhz), and that cpu too uses the 45nm process.
Been running it like that for the last 3 months with no issue, and game fps is greatly improved.
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It has been proved to make very little improvement over a well developed kernal. Hence why developers like Franco and imyosen took it out.
Game frame rate is simply due to force gpu being active
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Mahoro.san said:
The sg s3 seems to have a decent battery life
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That is due to the new processor voltage and the low idle drain of the CPU
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GR36 said:
It has been proved to make very little improvement over a well developed kernal. Hence why developers like Franco and imyosen took it out.
Game frame rate is simply due to force gpu being active
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This during kernel development in the gingerbread days or the new current ics kernels?
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May be...
Clocking the GPU at 400Mhz would give a boost in performance but at the cost of battery life....and also making the phone really hot....which is not idle...just wait a little while and see how will s3 perform under those conditions...

[Q] low clock speed's

any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds

foxorroxors said:
any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds
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Deffently clocked to increase battery and reduce heat
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No need to worry. developers will get this tablet to at least 1.5ghz or more. overclck tweaks for transformer prime should work on this also. all it'll need is root

Do we really need to overclock this? I mean I probably will anyways but a 1.3 Quad is pretty zippy by itself!

As the tegra 3's gpu compared to say the galaxy s3 (international) is fairly weak, I only hope we can OC the GPU by enough to make a difference. I am not that bothered to about OCing the cpu but I do care about the GPU

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Do we really need to overclock this? I mean I probably will anyways but a 1.3 Quad is pretty zippy by itself!
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True, even at 1.0 ghz it'll do fine with most games..
I underclock my S2 to 1.0 ghz and i experienced no hiccups whatsoever.. and I'm still on dual core
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foxorroxors said:
any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds
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The Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 is a version of the Tegra 3 chip that didn't work within guidelines at the regular speeds, but were within guidelines for a lower speed. This is done regularly in Intel/AMD CPUs as well. That's why there are different speed CPUs in the same model family. This way they can sell the high speed CPUs at a higher cost and still make money off the CPUs that can't run as fast. Eventually the process to make the chips will be so efficient that they will artificially lower the speeds to sell as the cheaper version and that's when you can overclock like crazy and not have instability (if the CPU product cycle lasts that long).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning

Outrager said:
The Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 is a version of the Tegra 3 chip that didn't work within guidelines at the regular speeds, but were within guidelines for a lower speed. This is done regularly in Intel/AMD CPUs as well. That's why there are different speed CPUs in the same model family. This way they can sell the high speed CPUs at a higher cost and still make money off the CPUs that can't run as fast. Eventually the process to make the chips will be so efficient that they will artificially lower the speeds to sell as the cheaper version and that's when you can overclock like crazy and not have instability (if the CPU product cycle lasts that long).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning
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This suggests Nexus 7 probably won't OC so well. Which wouldn't surprise or disappoint me. It appears Asus dropped a lot of little features to keep cost down(which I think is a good move), and using CPU s that didn't bin well is one good way to keep cost low.
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Low benchmark scores?

So i've seen in internet that people who uses trinity kernel scores over 7k (in quadrant bench) @ 1.64ghz.And im with 1.7ghz and 700mhz gpu still get arround 6696~ [Got nexus 7 32gb 3g model]...So what's the problem?How can i increase scores?And improve overall performance?
Btw is there any software or something that could fix blown speakers ?

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So i've seen in internet that people who uses trinity kernel scores over 7k (in quadrant bench) @ 1.64ghz.And im with 1.7ghz and 700mhz gpu still get arround 6696~ [Got nexus 7 32gb 3g model]...So what's the problem?How can i increase scores?And improve overall performance?
Btw is there any software or something that could fix blown speakers ?
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the gpu speed doesnt matter as quadrant doesnt test gpu. it looks at our fps, and our fps will be 60fps no matter how high your gpu is oc'd. lower your gpu speed as it increases how hot the device gets. are you using the trinity kernel toolbox app btw? at 1.7ghz i get around 6900-7200. make sure that you disable tegra hotplug and enable all four cores, for that extra bonus in your scores. and that you bench at 1700/1700(high/low)(dont let the device scale). also, make sure that your device isnt getting thermally throttled. if it is, it automatically reduces your cpu speed no matter what you set it to.

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the gpu speed doesnt matter as quadrant doesnt test gpu. it looks at our fps, and our fps will be 60fps no matter how high your gpu is oc'd. lower your gpu speed as it increases how hot the device gets. are you using the trinity kernel toolbox app btw? at 1.7ghz i get around 6900-7200. make sure that you disable tegra hotplug and enable all four cores, for that extra bonus in your scores. and that you bench at 1700/1700(high/low)(dont let the device scale). also, make sure that your device isnt getting thermally throttled. if it is, it automatically reduces your cpu speed no matter what you set it to.
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Yes i use trinity kernel toolbox.I always disable tegra hotplug,using fsyn for faster all options to fastest .But still max score was 6600~...

FatalaS said:
Yes i use trinity kernel toolbox.I always disable tegra hotplug,using fsyn for faster all options to fastest .But still max score was 6600~...
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Don't worry about the score. It doesn't matter as long as your device is running nice and smooth, right?

Poor performance on the 5X when the CPU gets WARM!

Hey guys,
Was playing something a few days ago and i noticed it worked like utter crap and today i ran Geekbench 3 a few times and i got results for single core between 472 and 670 and i saw most people are getting 900+. What can affect the phone in such a horrible way? Any ideeas? This is not acceptable.
EDIT: I just noticed the following when comparing the benchmarks (mine is the lower one)
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4255827?baseline=4255794
The processor IDs differ:
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 0 part 3331 revision 3 (crap one)
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 (good one)
Anything to comment on this? Should i return the device?
UPDATE: The Processor IDs differ based on the which cores are running so variant 1 p3335 r2 are all hexa cores running while the other variant has only the quad cores running at max speed or throttled down to avoid overheating.
Bottom line is the fact that as soon as the processor starts to overheat then the CPU throttling kicks and performance of the handset goes to hell. It heats after 5 minutes if you use CPU intensive apps so beware. The single core performance halves after a maximum of 10 minutes while the multi core performance will drop as well but by a 40% amount, that's why you will see bad results in Antutu Benchmark and Geekbench after your CPU is already hot or you run a lot of tests.

I have the same revision as yours as roughly the same score as the other processor Id.

are you rooted? stock rom? Any application issues? Assuming you have a titanium backup or similar of your applications, have you tried redownloading the factory image from google?I have the 335 processor id and score1301

I have the 2nd variant
I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506

Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
Can you guys run the test 3-4 times to see if the results change?
PS: Stock rom, no root, fresh format.
Question: what's the difference between MDB08L MDB08M MDB08I and MDA89E. I assume they're the builds in order of release with MDB08M being the latest?

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Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
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The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.

@haloimplant thanks for the info... So basically my phone ain't crap, it's the QC SD 808 which is complete garbage -_-
C:\Users\adrag>adb shell cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : AArch64 Processor rev 3 (aarch64)
processor : 0
processor : 1
processor : 2
processor : 3
processor : 4
processor : 5
Features : fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 8
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd03
CPU revision : 3
Hardware : Qualcomm Technologies, Inc MSM8992
Well it can be seen from the above info that my revision is older....

Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.

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Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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I would say the camera and constant updates are the only thing that keeps this phone together... Coming from an OnePlus ONE to this and i am mostly appalled by the horrific performance of the 5X and from all t he reviews that I read nothing mentioned a horrible throttling. That anandtech article is good though, thanks for the tip!

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I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.

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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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Same variant and nearly same scores 1263 and 3439.

Done some more tests today to make sure i'm not completely drunk:
Played a bit with the phone (settings menu) and ran a GB3 test
Results: single 770 multi 2931
Let the phone cool down for 5 minutes and ran another GB3 test:
Results: single 1230 multi 3447
Processor ID: ARM implementer 65 arhitecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2
What i don't understand is why if i look into cpuinfo i get the other variant info.

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haloimplant said:
The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
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This is how they are designed to work, they can not really work any other way, and after a short time of being pushed hard the SoC has no option but to throttle down the CPU. Cooling can be active or passive, active cooling requires a heat-sink and fan, passive cooling works by reducing CPU speed until temperatures reduce to normal levels, you can also have a combination of the two like most laptops and even desktop PCs. When you have a smart phone, active cooling isn't possible, so how else can the SoC be cooled down?
The 16nm will be just the same, because marketing will dictate selling the CPU at higher clock rates, so pushing a bench-marking program will give you higher numbers due to the faster CPU speed, but then will quickly throttle back, so you will still get the difference between fast and slow due to passive cooling, just the slow might not be as slow, but then again it could be worse. The problem is that the smaller the SoC the harder it is to remove the heat as it has a smaller surface area, so I wouldn't expect much improvement overall, just the max and mins should be higher then previous generations but the performance drop will still be evident.
If you want to play the latest demanding games for more than a few minutes, a smart phone isn't the device to do it on, it just isn't designed for it.
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@PhilipL I'm sorry but i just cannot agree with you on this. On my old OnePlus One i could play Dominations without any problems and the throttling was almost non existent (QC Snapdragon 801) but on the 5X it's sluggish as soon as i enter it so yeah... I don't think this kind of garbage is acceptable on a newer generation of processors, i've had a friend do the same test on his HTC One M7 and the results after 5-6 runs were of about 650 on single core and about 2100 on multicore which was just a tiny bit slower than my Nexus 5X after 3-4 runs.
How is ANY of this even close to being normal on newer phones? How and WHY is the Snapdragon 801 faster and better than my Snapdragon 808. Can someone explain who had this garbage idea of throttling the processor that hard to bring the speeds down to something worse the last year's processor? If this is how they solve processor overheating on the Snapdragon 820 as well then they might as well throw it in the garbage can.
Furthermore why doesn't the Exynos 7420 on the S6 behave in the same why? Why does it throttle only so slightly that it almost unnoticeable ?

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What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.

No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.

ph0b0z said:
No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
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Well, it's already snowing in denmark!
But about general usage and every day performance, i think you're absolutely right. Some "problems" due to the thermal throttling should only apply to "corner cases".
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I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
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cidefix said:
What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
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Pretty much nothing and still it's laggy. Starting apps is slow, installation of new apps is slow and slows the device down to a crawl as well. I see many blaming encryption as LG G4 has the same NAND and it's 30% faster.