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SGSIII Mali 400 Drivers on the note!

The folks at the HTC Sensation/EVO 3D section extracted the Adreno 225 drivers from the HTC One S, as some of you may know that the Adreno 225 is the same as the Adreno 220 GPU but just have double the frequency! the frequency has nothing to do here if you ask, using these drivers gave them a HUGE performance boost with the STOCK frequency
as we know that the Mali 400 GPU at the SGSIII is clocked at 400mhz but even if you clocked your Mali 400 GPU in your Note (which has the same Resolution) you wont be able to reach that performance which tells me that its all about the drivers just like the Adreno 225
So can the Developers extract the Mali 400 Drivers from the SGSIII so we can use it on our phones?
This is not a question so i think it belongs to here not the Q/A section as its just a discussion if this is going to work or not!

Same driver, bigger screen = performance loss.
That is why Sammy set CPU 200 Mhz faster on Note over S2.

Screen has NOTHING to do with anything the Resolution does, which is the same in the SGSIII and the Note
Also that's why i said if you overclock the GPU to 400mhz you still wont reach that performance so it has to do with the Drivers

The note and SGSIII do indeed have different different screen resolutions, the Note being at 1280x800, while the SGSIII is at 1280x720. not much of a difference though, basically 16:10 vs 16:9, respectively. I believe the new Mali400 Drivers will be in the next ROM update anyway.

Hell Guardian said:
The folks at the HTC Sensation/EVO 3D section extracted the Adreno 225 drivers from the HTC One S, as some of you may know that the Adreno 225 is the same as the Adreno 220 GPU but just have double the frequency! the frequency has nothing to do here if you ask, using these drivers gave them a HUGE performance boost with the STOCK frequency
as we know that the Mali 400 GPU at the SGSIII is clocked at 400mhz but even if you clocked your Mali 400 GPU in your Note (which has the same Resolution) you wont be able to reach that performance which tells me that its all about the drivers just like the Adreno 225
So can the Developers extract the Mali 400 Drivers from the SGSIII so we can use it on our phones?
This is not a question so i think it belongs to here not the Q/A section as its just a discussion if this is going to work or not!
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Well , if they are exactly the same just different clock speeds then I would think they should work indeed.
This is interesting and I certainly hope it does , not that at 400mhz or even less, the GPU is lacking but who does not like more performance for free?

Muskie said:
The note and SGSIII do indeed have different different screen resolutions, the Note being at 1280x800, while the SGSIII is at 1280x720. not much of a difference though, basically 16:10 vs 16:9, respectively. I believe the new Mali400 Drivers will be in the next ROM update anyway.
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I know that but that deference is not major by any mean to effect the performance that much is they are both have the same frequency
shaolin95 said:
Well , if they are exactly the same just different clock speeds then I would think they should work indeed.
This is interesting and I certainly hope it does , not that at 400mhz or even less, the GPU is lacking but who does not like more performance for free?
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My thoughts exactly, If they folks at the Sensation did it, why can't we?

Link of the Drivers that got extracted from the One S
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1643472
Just check the replies to see the performance boost, This is the EXACT same situation as the Note and the SGSIII GPU

Wow, that's a good boost.

nex7er said:
Wow, that's a good boost.
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I think if the Note users can have that kind of boost on their phones that will eliminate ANY kind of lag in the UI and it i will be Amazingly smooth it will also give huge boost to the SGSII users

if this really happened and it does work, what about the battery-life... can be poorer i think

In theory, I see where you're going with this, and in theory it sounds plausible. However, something that I think has been overlooked is the process design of the new S3's chipset vs the ones found in the current generation S2/Note (45nm vs 32nm). It's entirely possible that the only reason why Samsung is able to run the Mali-400 at 400mhz is due to the fact that the 32nm process is just that much more efficient, such that you can safely run at 400mhz using the same power as you would running at 266mhz on the 45nm process.
I just get the feeling that trying to push the 45nm process up to 400mhz might simply melt the silicon (or at least gobble your battery life in one gulp!). Call me defeatist if you have to, but I remain skeptical until I see evidence to the contrary.

I run my galaxy nexus with the GPU clocked to 512mhz (standard is 308mhz), and that cpu too uses the 45nm process.
Been running it like that for the last 3 months with no issue, and game fps is greatly improved.
Is there any kernels at all that even support over clocking the GNote gpu?

Very interesting, Would like to see this being investigated further for sure!

screen has nothing to do with it...on note we got 100k more pixels 1280x800-1280x720=100k
,,, and s3 has more cores in the mali-gpu...but yea i think the drivers would get us more performance

lyp9176 said:
if this really happened and it does work, what about the battery-life... can be poorer i think
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The sg s3 seems to have a decent battery life

resistant said:
screen has nothing to do with it...on note we got 100k more pixels 1280x800-1280x720=100k
,,, and s3 has more cores in the mali-gpu...but yea i think the drivers would get us more performance
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After some digging I found that the GPU In Exinos 4210(SGS2/Note) and 4412 (SGS3) is absolutely the same Mali 400MP4 (same number of GPU cores)! The only difference is that the 4412 GPU Can Go up to 400MHz (which is doable to our GPU too and have been done to the SGS2 already). The main difference here are the four CPU cores that help the GPU. I'm skeptical that the new drivers will do much (if at all) in terms of performance! Oh and lets not forget that the Adreno GPU Drivers are written by Qualcomm and they can't do anything right so the updated drivers may just be better written (or at least less buggier) than the old ones!

Manya3084 said:
I run my galaxy nexus with the GPU clocked to 512mhz (standard is 308mhz), and that cpu too uses the 45nm process.
Been running it like that for the last 3 months with no issue, and game fps is greatly improved.
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It has been proved to make very little improvement over a well developed kernal. Hence why developers like Franco and imyosen took it out.
Game frame rate is simply due to force gpu being active
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Mahoro.san said:
The sg s3 seems to have a decent battery life
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That is due to the new processor voltage and the low idle drain of the CPU
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GR36 said:
It has been proved to make very little improvement over a well developed kernal. Hence why developers like Franco and imyosen took it out.
Game frame rate is simply due to force gpu being active
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This during kernel development in the gingerbread days or the new current ics kernels?
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May be...
Clocking the GPU at 400Mhz would give a boost in performance but at the cost of battery life....and also making the phone really hot....which is not idle...just wait a little while and see how will s3 perform under those conditions...

I think my Note is underutilize.

I was curious about how application utilize my Note capability, so I install CPU spy and reset timer. After that I played Mass Effect Infiltrator and Anomaly for 30 minutes. What make me very surprise is most of the time (almost 50%) Android is running on 500 Mhz. Only 20% of the time running on 800 Mhz and 30% running on 200 Mhz. My whole life is a lie ! Let alone GPU which I underclock to 200 Mhz, Why Samsung bother market dual-core 1,2 Ghz or even Quad-core 1,4 Ghz while HD 2012 Games only need dual-core 500 Mhz to run It smoothly. Is there any apps (beside benchmark) that fully utilize my Note ? Thank you.

Lol you should thank the developers of that game that they optimized code to run at 500mhz. If they made it use more your battery would drain more.
Youre thinking is different, its the game, not the phone that underutilizes lmao
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I almost fell off my chair when i read the OP..
developers are trying their best to develop games, apps that are beneficial to users like us..
Now u are complaining that game run on less memory n RAM..
on the other hand if the game would to ultilise high RAM, high batt comsumption or high memory usage,wat will b ur stand?
If u reali think u had under ultilisrd ur Note, mayb u should sit down and think whether to sell it n get a phone that u can "fully ultilise" it

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ramabg said:
I was curious about how application utilize my Note capability, so I install CPU spy and reset timer. After that I played Mass Effect Infiltrator and Anomaly for 30 minutes. What make me very surprise is most of the time (almost 50%) Android is running on 500 Mhz. Only 20% of the time running on 800 Mhz and 30% running on 200 Mhz. My whole life is a lie ! Let alone GPU which I underclock to 200 Mhz, Why Samsung bother market dual-core 1,2 Ghz or even Quad-core 1,4 Ghz while HD 2012 Games only need dual-core 500 Mhz to run It smoothly. Is there any apps (beside benchmark) that fully utilize my Note ? Thank you.
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If you are not aware, off the apps portion, there are apps from market that transform your phone into:
1. Vibrator - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cenix.android.vbr&feature=search_result
2. Security Alarm - https://play.google.com/store/apps/...honeSecurityAlarmSystem&feature=search_result
3. Police Siren - https://play.google.com/store/search?q=security+Alarm&c=apps
I mean just to name a few, instead of benchmarking your phone, maybe it can be made for good cause when it is not performing telepony duty

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I think its a good, I've underclocked my note to 1000 MHz and haven't notcied any difference in performance at all even during gameplay, saves loads of battery aswell. Might even drop it too 800 mhz to see if I can get away with that.

lewisteo said:
If you are not aware, off the apps portion, there are apps from market that transform your phone into:
1. Vibrator - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=cenix.android.vbr&feature=search_result
2. Security Alarm - https://play.google.com/store/apps/...honeSecurityAlarmSystem&feature=search_result
3. Police Siren - https://play.google.com/store/search?q=security+Alarm&c=apps
I mean just to name a few, instead of benchmarking your phone, maybe it can be made for good cause when it is not performing telepony duty
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Lol vibrator @1400hz lmao, imagine that :what::beer::thumbup:
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[Q] low clock speed's

any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds

foxorroxors said:
any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds
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Deffently clocked to increase battery and reduce heat
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No need to worry. developers will get this tablet to at least 1.5ghz or more. overclck tweaks for transformer prime should work on this also. all it'll need is root

Do we really need to overclock this? I mean I probably will anyways but a 1.3 Quad is pretty zippy by itself!

As the tegra 3's gpu compared to say the galaxy s3 (international) is fairly weak, I only hope we can OC the GPU by enough to make a difference. I am not that bothered to about OCing the cpu but I do care about the GPU

miketoasty said:
Do we really need to overclock this? I mean I probably will anyways but a 1.3 Quad is pretty zippy by itself!
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True, even at 1.0 ghz it'll do fine with most games..
I underclock my S2 to 1.0 ghz and i experienced no hiccups whatsoever.. and I'm still on dual core
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Questions go in the Q&A section

foxorroxors said:
any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds
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The Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 is a version of the Tegra 3 chip that didn't work within guidelines at the regular speeds, but were within guidelines for a lower speed. This is done regularly in Intel/AMD CPUs as well. That's why there are different speed CPUs in the same model family. This way they can sell the high speed CPUs at a higher cost and still make money off the CPUs that can't run as fast. Eventually the process to make the chips will be so efficient that they will artificially lower the speeds to sell as the cheaper version and that's when you can overclock like crazy and not have instability (if the CPU product cycle lasts that long).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning

Outrager said:
The Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 is a version of the Tegra 3 chip that didn't work within guidelines at the regular speeds, but were within guidelines for a lower speed. This is done regularly in Intel/AMD CPUs as well. That's why there are different speed CPUs in the same model family. This way they can sell the high speed CPUs at a higher cost and still make money off the CPUs that can't run as fast. Eventually the process to make the chips will be so efficient that they will artificially lower the speeds to sell as the cheaper version and that's when you can overclock like crazy and not have instability (if the CPU product cycle lasts that long).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning
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This suggests Nexus 7 probably won't OC so well. Which wouldn't surprise or disappoint me. It appears Asus dropped a lot of little features to keep cost down(which I think is a good move), and using CPU s that didn't bin well is one good way to keep cost low.
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CPU/Processor Showdown - HTC One vs Galaxy S4

Which processow will be better, Exynos 5 Octa or A simple Snapdragon 600 quad?
In my POV, Octa will be useless since it will be a battery hog and no apps really use that much cores and power. The S600 will be more efficient for day-to-day use since it consumes less power and will actually be used.
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I thought the s4 had the same processor as the One, but it was clocked to 1.9? I could be wrong. I wasn't really paying attention.
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I'd imagine this thread will get closed.
In the meantime, read this thread and then make a judgement because the "it uses more power so it sucks" mentality is just simply incorrect.
[Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores
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Misconception #1: Samsung didn't design this, ARM did. This is not some stupid marketing gimmick.
Misconception #2: You DON'T need to have all 8 cores online, actually, only maximum 4 cores will ever be online at the same time.
Misconception #3: If the workload is thread-light, just as we did hot-plugging on previous CPUs, big.LITTLE pairs will simply remain offline under such light loads. There is no wasted power with power-gating.
Misconception #4: As mentioned, each pair can switch independently of other pairs. It's not he whole cluster who switches between A15 and A7 cores. You can have only a single A15 online, together with two A7's, while the fourth pair is completely offline.
Misconception #5: The two clusters have their own frequency planes. This means A15 cores all run on one frequency while the A7 cores can be running on another. However, inside of the frequency planes, all cores run at the same frequency, meaning there is only one frequency for all cores of a type at a time.
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Addition: I am not a Samsung fanboy by any means, however, the amount of incorrect information floating around about both of these flagships is starting to get annoying.
2nd addition: Read this as well, the big.LITTLE technology being used in the Octa is pretty amazing: big.LITTLE Processing

I hope that the overclocking or higher clock rate doesn't produce Moment-esque results.

Alsybub said:
I thought the s4 had the same processor as the One, but it was clocked to 1.9? I could be wrong. I wasn't really paying attention.
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In the US that is true, they are both S600's, with the S4 having a .2ghz higher clockspeed. Many of the other S4's will have the Octa Exynos chip.

crawlgsx said:
In the US that is true, they are both S600's, with the S4 having a .2ghz higher clockspeed. Many of the other S4's will have the Octa Exynos chip.
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Ah. I see. Different hardware for different regions. Like the One X.
Even though it's eight cores it is probably complete overkill. Yet another bigger number to put on marketing. How many apps will actually use that? How many apps use four cores at the moment?
There have been some articles about multiple cores being more for point of sale than for the end user. Even if you're signing up for a contract right now I doubt that much would be making use of it in two years time. So, the future proofing argument is moot.
It'll be interesting to see. Of course the galaxy builds of Android will use the cores. With things like the stay awake feature and pip it is useful. Outside of the OS I can't see it being necessary.
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The "octa" core processor is complete bullsh*t. Imo, 2/4 cores are perfectly fine as long as they optimize it and perfect the hardware, why stack 8 cores when only 4 work at one time and no app will use all that power.
They should've focused on design to make it look less like a toy phone and use better finish, instead.
Oh the marketing..
Not HTC or whatever fanboy, just stating my opinion.

rotchcrocket04 said:
I'd imagine this thread will get closed.
In the meantime, read this thread and then make a judgement because the "it uses more power so it sucks" mentality is just simply incorrect.
[Info] Exynos Octa and why you need to stop the drama about the 8 cores
Addition: I am not a Samsung fanboy by any means, however, the amount of incorrect information floating around about both of these flagships is starting to get annoying.
2nd addition: Read this as well, the big.LITTLE technology being used in the Octa is pretty amazing: big.LITTLE Processing
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Very good read, thanks for taking the time to post it. Surprised no-one has mentioned that we need this in our Ones. Would certainly help with the battery.

Saying its a 8 core cpu is marketing simply put.
Like it has been said only 4 out of 8 cores will only ever be enabled at once max.
The GPU on the Octa might be better then the Adreno 320 but its have to wait for benchmarks.

Nekromantik said:
Saying its a 8 core cpu is marketing simply put.
Like it has been said only 4 out of 8 cores will only ever be enabled at once max.
The GPU on the Octa might be better then the Adreno 320 but its have to wait for benchmarks.
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Benchmarks show adreno320 keeps up nicely. You won't see any real world differences besides a slightly lower benchmark score
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191834
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Squirrel1620 said:
Benchmarks show adreno320 keeps up nicely. You won't see any real world differences besides a slightly lower benchmark score
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2191834
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Those are from the S600 version.
Higher clock speed and Android 4.2 will mean its slightly ahead.
No benchmarks from the Octa version yet.

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Those are from the S600 version.
Higher clock speed and Android 4.2 will mean its slightly ahead.
No benchmarks from the Octa version yet.
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I'll just stick with the one and wait for the 4.2 update. By then we should have custom kernels to overclock ourselves
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Here you go

Nekromantik said:
Saying its a 8 core cpu is marketing simply put.
Like it has been said only 4 out of 8 cores will only ever be enabled at once max.
The GPU on the Octa might be better then the Adreno 320 but its have to wait for benchmarks.
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"Octa" is not gimmicky or for marketing.
Octa is the name of the SoC, and how it was named is nothing wrong
There are 3 implementations can be used, and one with maximum 8 cores running at the same time.
GS4 doesn't use that impletations, but it does not mean the SoC cannot be "Octa". You have a house with 8 rooms but you know to open or you wanna open 4 rooms only, the house is still an 8-room house.

hung2900 said:
"Octa" is not gimmicky or for marketing.
Octa is the name of the SoC, and how it was named is nothing wrong
There are 3 implementations can be used, and one with maximum 8 cores running at the same time.
GS4 doesn't use that impletations, but it does not mean the SoC cannot be "Octa". You have a house with 8 rooms but you know to open or you wanna open 4 rooms only, the house is still an 8-room house.
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How do you know all 8 can run at the same time? Has Samsung demonstrated that already? Any links?
Also what would be the speed if all 8 are running at the same time?
Also did you see that an Intel dual core @2GHz beat the Exynos Octa in benchmarks!!! So all 8 cores running at slower speed might not be very good actually. It might even slow down things even more...
We recently demonstrated a dual core running at 3GHz at MWC in Barcelona. That chip was able to load games at crazy speeds. A game that took 15s to load on existing Exynos Quad core was loading in just 6s with our chip!

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We recently demonstrated a dual core running at 3GHz at MWC in Barcelona. That chip was able to load games at crazy speeds. A game that took 15s to load on existing Exynos Quad core was loading in just 6s with our chip!
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. And used 3 times the energy to do it... Was that tested at all?

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. And used 3 times the energy to do it... Was that tested at all?
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Its all about bragging rights really. Same as Samsung is doing with regards to Octa.
The the chip that could run at 3GHz could also very well run at 1GHz at just 0.6V (so consuming far lesser power than anything else in the market). A dual core at 1GHz is still good enough for all mundane tasks like playing videos or internet browsing etc. So in practice it would have been a very efficient solution. It was a real innovation really. Sadly the company did not have money to pour more funds into the program and has shut it.
It was demonstrated at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona in february this year.
Anyway point is, we did not need extra set of power efficient cores like Samsung is doing. We ran the same cores that could do crazy high speeds and even crazier power efficient mode! Thats a very neat solution.
Heres a press link: http://www.itproportal.com/2013/02/25/mwc-2013-exclusive-dual-core-st-ericsson-novathor-l8580-soc-crushes-competition-benchmarks/
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A continuous running test monitored by an infra-red reader showed that the 3GHz prototype smartphone remained cooler as it uses less energy and in some scenarios, it could add up to five hours battery life in a normal usage scenario
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hung2900 said:
"Octa" is not gimmicky or for marketing.
Octa is the name of the SoC, and how it was named is nothing wrong
There are 3 implementations can be used, and one with maximum 8 cores running at the same time.
GS4 doesn't use that impletations, but it does not mean the SoC cannot be "Octa". You have a house with 8 rooms but you know to open or you wanna open 4 rooms only, the house is still an 8-room house.
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Actually, no. At least not in my opinion. Octacore means 8 cpu cores on one cpu-chip.
I would see it like this:
You have 2 houses on your lawn which are beside each other. Every house has 4 rooms. You have to switch houses to open up the rooms. Just like the Exynos "Octa" has to, since it cannot run both CPU's at the same time.
If you are in a house with 8 rooms, you cannot simply be in all 8 rooms at once. You can connect the open doors between all the rooms, and since your in that house, you can freely walk in every room. But not with that implementation.
I wouldn't call the Exynos "Octa" an Octacore, its a dual CPU system with a 2x4 cores, with the difference that regular desktop dual CPU systems can use both CPU units at once, but not like the Exynos "Octa". Still, dual quad system comes closer than a pure octacore system.
This is kind of a hybrid. Nice technology for a mobile device, but at the same time, kind of unneeded / inefficient, compared to regular quadcore systems. Even the Tegra 3 system with 4 active cores and 1 companion core for standby tasks seems more efficient (in terms of "used space" and ressources).
Ah well let's see how the supposed and so called "octacore" will score in the future...

processor differences
okay I know both processor are snapdragon 600's but why is the galaxy S4's processor clocked at 1.9 ghz and the HTC One's processor is clocked at 1.7 ghz is it just an instance of samsung overclocking the s600 or are they different variations of the same processor, I have done some research and am able to find no clear answer to this question even on the snapdragon website????????

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okay I know both processor are snapdragon 600's but why is the galaxy S4's processor clocked at 1.9 ghz and the HTC One's processor is clocked at 1.7 ghz is it just an instance of samsung overclocking the s600 or are they different variations of the same processor, I have done some research and am able to find no clear answer to this question even on the snapdragon website????????
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They should be identical. I think its just a manufacturer choice. But it could also be associated to termals or battery.
Cause Samsung took the higher frequency chips, there is the possibility that they also get the "better" chips: Lower Voltage for the same frequency. But thats just an assumption.

[Q] A question about the GPU.

I know that the Note 3 got the Snapdragon 800 8974AA(GPU clocked at 450 MHz).
So i ran the latest GFXBench 3.0(Manhattan offscreen) and got a score of 11.1, which is even better than the scores the Snapdragon 800 8974AB(GPU clocked at 550/578MHz) got.
How can this be?

mull54 said:
I know that the Note 3 got the Snapdragon 800 8974AA(GPU clocked at 450 MHz).
So i ran the latest GFXBench 3.0(Manhattan offscreen) and got a score of 11.1, which is even better than the scores the Snapdragon 800 8974AB(GPU clocked at 550/578MHz) got.
How can this be?
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maybe its caused by throttling down due temperature

Maybe memory of Note 3 is faster and larger than other phone, which shouldn't be Samsung because S5 uses AC version. I think Note3 has very fast RAM and if other phone has slower (read cheaper) RAM it could bottleneck there. Also, as the other poster said the other phone could be thermally throttling, especially if the benchmarks were run multiple times to get average. You figure people running benchmarks would know better, but who knows.

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maybe its caused by throttling down due temperature
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Yeah maybe that's the case.
pete4k said:
Maybe memory of Note 3 is faster and larger than other phone, which shouldn't be Samsung because S5 uses AC version. I think Note3 has very fast RAM and if other phone has slower (read cheaper) RAM it could bottleneck there. Also, as the other poster said the other phone could be thermally throttling, especially if the benchmarks were run multiple times to get average. You figure people running benchmarks would know better, but who knows.
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The thing is that, other Note 3 get's around 9-10 FPS, which is normal for a 8974AA SoC. So either some Note 3's got the AB(which is unlikley) or Samsung is cheating again and overclocking the GPU to AB levels only for the Bench.

mull54 said:
Yeah maybe that's the case.
The thing is that, other Note 3 get's around 9-10 FPS, which is normal for a 8974AA SoC. So either some Note 3's got the AB(which is unlikley) or Samsung is cheating again and overclocking the GPU to AB levels only for the Bench.
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Samsung never overclocked anything, what they did in the past is ramp up frequency to maximum before benchmark started running, so there was no delay to get CPU/GPU to full speed, like you have with on demand governor. I don't believe it's cheating because you can set the governor to run full click yourself (if rooted) and benefit from this as well with any game/ benchmark. It also shows how inefficient ondemand governor is and maybe we should be using different governor setting which is interesting topic all by itself. I remember there was similar "scandal" few years ago in graphic card business, where drivers were optimized for particular benchmarks. Well, now all video drivers are optimized for specific, mostly graphic intensive games and we all benefit from it by having better performance, from lesser hardware. Maybe this could also benefit all of us by giving us better governors, so the phones can run faster with the same hardware, instead of being artificially slowed down with poor choice of governor settings. As far as other Notes running slower, thermal throttling due to multiple benchmark runs to get average would be my wild guess. Or maybe you deleted factory bloatware and change settings to make your phone faster, but no, you don't have AB version.