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how about your quadrant score when you use 2.3.x?

I installed CM7 with DSC Phoenix test2,overclock to 1344MHz.
when I bench with Quadrant Advanced ver2.1, my score is >1300 to 1400.
It's lower than my old milestone 1 (with CPU 600 MHz Cortex-A8 and GPU PowerVR SGX530, overclock to 1,1Ghz). quadrant score of milestone1 is > 1700. I dont know why?
And this morning I tested with HTC Incredible S of my friend (CPU 1 GHz Scorpion
and GPU Adreno 205, ICS rom without overclock). Score is > 1900.
Is my streak weak? I cant believe streak5 is slower than milestone1 and HTC Incredible S.
how about you?

I think many on here will agree with me when I say forget about the benchmark scores. They largely mean nothing as it relates to real world performance and you can drive yourself crazy trying to tweak your phone to death to increase the numbers. With that being said, the performance hit is likely in the file i/o section.

As normal user and not a programmer, I dont understand about the file i/o section. But thanks you, Lordmorphous. So I'll forget foolish scores, what a stupid app =))

File I/O = File input and output, which in simpler language is the act of reading and writing to the MicroSD cards.
Quadrant and other such benchmark tools are fun to run, but they don't mean much. To properly test a device requires a benchmark program like Futuremark's PCMark, which includes real-world applications and simulates real-world usage. There is no such benchmark app for Android however.

though, if you guys notice the benchmark for the quadrant advance 2.x, the i/o score for our DS5 does a bit low compared to others but... well you know, it just numbers... nothing more.. nothing less...
however, cpu power does have the impact when overclocked, for let say using default cpu speed of 1ghz, software decoding is a bit slow compared to overclocked 1.2ghz...
just my 2 cents

[Q] low clock speed's

any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds

foxorroxors said:
any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds
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Deffently clocked to increase battery and reduce heat
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No need to worry. developers will get this tablet to at least 1.5ghz or more. overclck tweaks for transformer prime should work on this also. all it'll need is root

Do we really need to overclock this? I mean I probably will anyways but a 1.3 Quad is pretty zippy by itself!

As the tegra 3's gpu compared to say the galaxy s3 (international) is fairly weak, I only hope we can OC the GPU by enough to make a difference. I am not that bothered to about OCing the cpu but I do care about the GPU

miketoasty said:
Do we really need to overclock this? I mean I probably will anyways but a 1.3 Quad is pretty zippy by itself!
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True, even at 1.0 ghz it'll do fine with most games..
I underclock my S2 to 1.0 ghz and i experienced no hiccups whatsoever.. and I'm still on dual core
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foxorroxors said:
any reason for the 1.15ghz CPU speed and 400(ish)MHz gpu speed other than cost? or do you think they underclocked to save the battery? hoping we can over clock to t30l speeds
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The Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 is a version of the Tegra 3 chip that didn't work within guidelines at the regular speeds, but were within guidelines for a lower speed. This is done regularly in Intel/AMD CPUs as well. That's why there are different speed CPUs in the same model family. This way they can sell the high speed CPUs at a higher cost and still make money off the CPUs that can't run as fast. Eventually the process to make the chips will be so efficient that they will artificially lower the speeds to sell as the cheaper version and that's when you can overclock like crazy and not have instability (if the CPU product cycle lasts that long).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning

Outrager said:
The Tegra 3 used in the Nexus 7 is a version of the Tegra 3 chip that didn't work within guidelines at the regular speeds, but were within guidelines for a lower speed. This is done regularly in Intel/AMD CPUs as well. That's why there are different speed CPUs in the same model family. This way they can sell the high speed CPUs at a higher cost and still make money off the CPUs that can't run as fast. Eventually the process to make the chips will be so efficient that they will artificially lower the speeds to sell as the cheaper version and that's when you can overclock like crazy and not have instability (if the CPU product cycle lasts that long).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_binning
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This suggests Nexus 7 probably won't OC so well. Which wouldn't surprise or disappoint me. It appears Asus dropped a lot of little features to keep cost down(which I think is a good move), and using CPU s that didn't bin well is one good way to keep cost low.
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Nexus 7 Overcloking

hi guys i just want to know what is the max overclock of the cpu and the gpu for the nexus 7 ( please has to be has safe as possible, i dont want to damage the tablet too much, and yes i know that overcloking will reduce the life of the tablet) I want to get the best performance out of this tablet!!!!!
Note: battery drain is not a problem!!! I will use the nexus 7 for gaming most of the time and also browsing!!!
Please I really want to know i created an account on this site for this!!!

Most people can go to 1600 on the CPU. Any real world performance increase from the stock 1300 is negligible.
I wouldn't overclock the GPU past 446 (+30) because anything higher creates a lot of heat and people have reported benchmarks actually being lower once you go much higher than that.
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Hi, tbh you'll probably not notice much if you overclock the cpu to 1.6ghz as percentage wise it isn't a large jump. Things may feel a little zippy at times though, in my house I have acces to two n7's, one stock and one overclockable to 1.6ghz. Ran tests between them and the 1.6ghz was fractionally faster, the difference was very small. Overclocking the gpu to 600mhz vs 416mhz at stock made a huge difference, as it it made some games actually playable. Despite the crap Nivida spit out about the tega 3 soc, it's GPU is comparatively weak. Over-clocking the GPU will give immediate performance increase in a lot of games. After doing heat and clock speed tests myself, I've found anything in-between 416-600mhz to give near enough liner performance increase and heat to be long term sustainable depending on the voltages your device can handle. Overall, I doubt CPU overclocking will give you much benifit, but if you play games the gpu overclock will. If your worried about heat from overclocking the gpu a lot, you can always use this kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1937146, which gives you full GPU clock and voltage control so you can undervolt your gpu to reduce heat. I wouldn't run at 600mhz unless I could undervolt the gpu as much as I have and I use that kernel because of it. I have my gpu overclocked to 600mhz running at 1225mV, which is only +25mV above stock voltage for 416mhz. Although most heat is generated from the transition period of the transistor charging/ discharging, undervoting does give a large positive effect on heat output if it's large enough. But 600mhz is a high GPU clock and the highest I'd recommend, tbh I would say 520mhz is a really good compromise between heat, performance and battery, especially if you under-volt the GPU at that frequency for most people if your not as annal with FPS as I am :silly:

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AW: Nexus 7 Overcloking
You all probably have seen those 2GHz oc screenshots.Are those real?I'm not wanting to try this I'm just curious.
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They are probably real
yes i have almost sure they are real, but puting the nexus 7 in 2Ghz will, i think will damage a lot the tablet!!!

The 2 GHz kernel was a test to see how far the Nexus 7 could be pushed. This kernel wasn't released for obvious reasons so yes, those pics/ benchmarks were true.

[Q] A question about the GPU.

I know that the Note 3 got the Snapdragon 800 8974AA(GPU clocked at 450 MHz).
So i ran the latest GFXBench 3.0(Manhattan offscreen) and got a score of 11.1, which is even better than the scores the Snapdragon 800 8974AB(GPU clocked at 550/578MHz) got.
How can this be?

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I know that the Note 3 got the Snapdragon 800 8974AA(GPU clocked at 450 MHz).
So i ran the latest GFXBench 3.0(Manhattan offscreen) and got a score of 11.1, which is even better than the scores the Snapdragon 800 8974AB(GPU clocked at 550/578MHz) got.
How can this be?
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maybe its caused by throttling down due temperature

Maybe memory of Note 3 is faster and larger than other phone, which shouldn't be Samsung because S5 uses AC version. I think Note3 has very fast RAM and if other phone has slower (read cheaper) RAM it could bottleneck there. Also, as the other poster said the other phone could be thermally throttling, especially if the benchmarks were run multiple times to get average. You figure people running benchmarks would know better, but who knows.

Hundsbuah said:
maybe its caused by throttling down due temperature
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Yeah maybe that's the case.
pete4k said:
Maybe memory of Note 3 is faster and larger than other phone, which shouldn't be Samsung because S5 uses AC version. I think Note3 has very fast RAM and if other phone has slower (read cheaper) RAM it could bottleneck there. Also, as the other poster said the other phone could be thermally throttling, especially if the benchmarks were run multiple times to get average. You figure people running benchmarks would know better, but who knows.
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The thing is that, other Note 3 get's around 9-10 FPS, which is normal for a 8974AA SoC. So either some Note 3's got the AB(which is unlikley) or Samsung is cheating again and overclocking the GPU to AB levels only for the Bench.

mull54 said:
Yeah maybe that's the case.
The thing is that, other Note 3 get's around 9-10 FPS, which is normal for a 8974AA SoC. So either some Note 3's got the AB(which is unlikley) or Samsung is cheating again and overclocking the GPU to AB levels only for the Bench.
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Samsung never overclocked anything, what they did in the past is ramp up frequency to maximum before benchmark started running, so there was no delay to get CPU/GPU to full speed, like you have with on demand governor. I don't believe it's cheating because you can set the governor to run full click yourself (if rooted) and benefit from this as well with any game/ benchmark. It also shows how inefficient ondemand governor is and maybe we should be using different governor setting which is interesting topic all by itself. I remember there was similar "scandal" few years ago in graphic card business, where drivers were optimized for particular benchmarks. Well, now all video drivers are optimized for specific, mostly graphic intensive games and we all benefit from it by having better performance, from lesser hardware. Maybe this could also benefit all of us by giving us better governors, so the phones can run faster with the same hardware, instead of being artificially slowed down with poor choice of governor settings. As far as other Notes running slower, thermal throttling due to multiple benchmark runs to get average would be my wild guess. Or maybe you deleted factory bloatware and change settings to make your phone faster, but no, you don't have AB version.

How To: Improve Device Performance w/o Overclocking [root]

I've been using XBMC on the FireTV fairly successfully but wished it was a bit snappier. Thinking back to my days with the Galaxy S3, I remembered a great app called Seeder.
From the Play Store listing:
Seeder is a service for root users. It assists the kernel in "topping off" the entropy pool by re-seeding it with data from the non-blocking (high performance) random device. Optionally, it can also help alleviate MMC I/O contention by extending the I/O queue, allowing the I/O scheduler to make better decisions, and combine more writes.
After installing and enabling the moderate option on my FireTV, XBMC loads faster and navigates through menus much smoother. An essential app and well worth the purchase in my opinion.
Setup:
Root your FireTV (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783805)
Install Google Play Store (http://www.aftvnews.com/how-to-install-the-google-play-store-on-the-amazon-fire-tv/)
Download Seeder (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder&hl=en)
Give Seeder root permissions
Select Start on Boot
Choose Moderate
Profit!
Seeder ($2.50) - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lcis.seeder&hl=en

Thanks for your tip. Does Anyone else recommends it? I am quite satisfied with the firetv performance but i am all forward with improvements
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It does boost performance,even with my "overclocked" settings already made.
I quote it because I can't actually overclock the Fire TV because the lack of unlocked bootloader.
I can only change governor types to "Performance" on GPU,and "interactive" on all four CPU cores to boost them a bit.
I also have two booster apps for visual and touch performance increases,which prove to work really well.
I want to OC the GPU to a minimum 400Mhz and maximum 500Mhz to match the stronger equivalent GPU's 450Mhz and 550Mhz OC settings.
Maybe also get the CPUs on at least 1.9 Ghz or 2.0Ghz as the maximum with 500Mhz as the forced minimum.
When bootloader unlocking is possible,I want to find a fix for the kernel panic rebooting issue with Reicast caused by instability with certain Android ROMs.

retroben said:
It does boost performance,even with my "overclocked" settings already made.
I quote it because I can't actually overclock the Fire TV because the lack of unlocked bootloader.
I can only change governor types to "Performance" on GPU,and "interactive" on all four CPU cores to boost them a bit.
I also have two booster apps for visual and touch performance increases,which prove to work really well.
I want to OC the GPU to a minimum 400Mhz and maximum 500Mhz to match the stronger equivalent GPU's 450Mhz and 550Mhz OC settings.
Maybe also get the CPUs on at least 1.9 Ghz or 2.0Ghz as the maximum with 500Mhz as the forced minimum.
When bootloader unlocking is possible,I want to find a fix for the kernel panic rebooting issue with Reicast caused by instability with certain Android ROMs.
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Nothing...NOTHING about what you're doing is even remotely considered overclocking....
OC is pushing hardware past it's max performance out of the box or standard state. CPU's downclock themselves for power savings. You telling it to run at a different minimum isn't OC'ing, you're just telling it to not downclock itself so far.

Spykez0129 said:
Nothing...NOTHING about what you're doing is even remotely considered overclocking....
OC is pushing hardware past it's max performance out of the box or standard state. CPU's downclock themselves for power savings. You telling it to run at a different minimum isn't OC'ing, you're just telling it to not downclock itself so far.
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Lighten up. In case you missed it he said he can't overclock and even pointed out his use of quotes.
If you want to be nit picky overclocking is not pushing hardware past it's max performance but TO it. Overclocking takes the hardware past factory spec, which you could call "standard state" but that is never near the max. It is set for stability and longevity not necessarily the fastest performance.
Intel used to push a new chip until it crashed then dropped it a notch and called it XGHz. It's why overclocking was so limited without changing voltage and needing extra and even extreme cooling. AMD always designed a chip to have plenty of room to grow and why they support overclocking and enabling extra cores.

AMD now has some extremely powerful multicore CPU processors up to 5.0Ghz!
It's called AMD FX-9590.
Beat that,intel!

Confirmed. . Seeder 2.0 actually does speed up the just about everything from watching streaming movies to using XBMC, except your Internet. . Highly recommended. Use the setting above and trickster mod.

retroben said:
AMD now has some extremely powerful multicore CPU processors up to 5.0Ghz!
It's called AMD FX-9590.
Beat that,intel!
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intel destroys amd! and thats a fact! a 4.4 ghz i7 would still beat that 5 ghz amd in benchmarks! so its already been done

rontonomo said:
intel destroys amd! and thats a fact! a 4.4 ghz i7 would still beat that 5 ghz amd in benchmarks! so its already been done
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Not to go further off topic but benchmarks mean literally squat VS real world use.