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honeycomb has some ui glitches when running on our nooks, but honeycomb 3.2 is optimized for 7in screens, so if somebody were to make a honeycomb 3.2 rom for the nook, would that fix the ui glitches
Honeycomb 3.2 is still just a rumor. Granted Acer made the comment about it, but even when it comes out, we still wont have the source code until Google releases it. Our main problem is the display drivers we have for the nook don't support the lancher app in Honeycomb. Since the nook is using older technology, unless new drivers are made/released we'll need to find our own workarounds or continue to use software rendering for the UI.
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Honeycomb 3.2 is still just a rumor.
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Not according to this it's not: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/20/huawei-mediapad-revealed-worlds-first-7-inch-android-3-2-table/
It's here folks -- the planet's first Android 3.2 tablet. Huawei just introduced a downright luscious new slate over in Singapore, with CommunicAsia being the launchpad for the 7-inch MediaPad. It's the first high-profile 7-inch tablet we've seen in quite some time, and somehow or another, it's managed to leapfrog most of the currently shipping Honeycomb tablets with a build of Android we've only ever joked about. Huawei tells us that Honeycomb 3.2 is essentially the same as 3.1, but specifically tailored to 7-inch tablets as opposed to 10-inch. Packed within the MediaPad's 10.5mm shell, there's a 217 pixels-per-inch IPS capacitive touchpanel, GPS, 1.3 megapixel front-facing camera, 5 megapixel rear-facing camera, 802.11n WiFi, a battery good for around six hours of life and a bona fide racehorse as a processor: a dual-core 1.2GHz chip from Qualcomm. If all goes well, it'll ship in the United States in Q3 2011.
It's a fair bit chunkier than the newfangled Galaxy Tab 10.1 (8.6mm), but still slimmer than the original Tab, which clocked in at 11.98mm. It weighs in at 390g (0.86 pounds), supports full 1080p playback, includes HSPA+ (14.4Mbps) 3G support, offers 8GB of internal storage (as well as a microSD slot) and comes pre-loaded with Facebook, Twitter, Let's Golf and Documents To Go. There's also a Bluetooth module, an HDMI output for catching those high-def flicks on the go, and the Flash 10.3 player ensures that those websites won't be a problem. Unfortunately, the company's left a great deal to the imagination -- like pricing, which is being "sorted with retail partners and providers" -- and all we've got for system RAM is a promise that it's "working with partners on specifics." Oddly enough, the company has "no current plans" to produce a WiFi-only model, which definitely puts a damper on those who aren't interested in ponying for carrier data. You can bet we'll be digging for more, but even with the surrounding mystery, calling us "excited" would be a severe understatement.
Update: There's a demo vid just after the break, and the first eyes-on shots have emerged from the conference.
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honeycomb has some ui glitches when running on our nooks, but honeycomb 3.2 is optimized for 7in screens, so if somebody were to make a honeycomb 3.2 rom for the nook, would that fix the ui glitches
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Deeper blue may have more insight into 3.1, but working on 3.01, screen size never even appeared to be an issue. Our issues have always been with the drivers and properly compiling the OS for our hardware. Frankly, i have no doubt that if we had AOSP 3.0/3.1, we would have had something nearly as smooth as CM7 right now in no time....
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Deeper blue may have more insight into 3.1, but working on 3.01, screen size never even appeared to be an issue. Our issues have always been with the drivers and properly compiling the OS for our hardware. Frankly, i have no doubt that if we had AOSP 3.0/3.1, we would have had something nearly as smooth as CM7 right now in no time....
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The problem is, I fear we won't see the source for a long time to come.
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The problem is, I fear we won't see the source for a long time to come.
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Once the time has come for the source to drop we shall all have moved on to newer, better, cheaper tablets and our Nooks will sit alone on bar stools and drink heavily and cry, just cry. While remembering their former days of glory, when geeks of all ages would gawk and stare in amazement at what the $250 tablet could accomplish, the golden days, our Nooks will toast & reminisce... Glory, Glory, Glory!!!! Remember the humble Nook Color and weep!
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Once the time has come for the source to drop we shall all have moved on to newer, better, cheaper tablets and our Nooks will sit alone on bar stools and drink heavily and cry, just cry. While remembering their former days of glory, when geeks of all ages would gawk and stare in amazement at what the $250 tablet could accomplish, the golden days, our Nooks will toast & reminisce... Glory, Glory, Glory!!!! Remember the humble Nook Color and weep!
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Being supported by a "major" ROM like Cyanogenmod I bet we will get a couple Android versions out of this device.
I just wish the NC development scene would explode so even in the next year or so, the NC won't be forgotten. Considering it's only really CM, Phiremod, HC test builds, and some 1.2 builds, I'm not excited for the future of NC development.
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I just wish the NC development scene would explode so even in the next year or so, the NC won't be forgotten. Considering it's only really CM, Phiremod, HC test builds, and some 1.2 builds, I'm not excited for the future of NC development.
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Speak for yourself, CM7 with Tablet Tweaks is amazing. I dont need 10 different roms with ugly themes on them, i just need 1 solid rom thats customizable and thats what the Nook offers. If you are looking for something to flash a new rom for every night out of bordem, look to the Evo 4G forum, they flash for flashing sake.
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Speak for yourself, CM7 with Tablet Tweaks is amazing. I dont need 10 different roms with ugly themes on them, i just need 1 solid rom thats customizable and thats what the Nook offers. If you are looking for something to flash a new rom for every night out of bordem, look to the Evo 4G forum, they flash for flashing sake.
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I have an Incredible and I stick with CM7 nightlies on it too, the point I was trying to make is that even if it's 10 different roms with "ugly themes" it's still development, it's still interest, it's variety.
CM7 with tablet tweaks is undoubtedly a brilliant success, and I'm infinitely grateful for the efforts of the CM team, and Murdock. Phiremod is also brilliant, and has proven incredibly serviceable for me.
However, I'll say that I am still anxious to get a working build of Honeycomb. I hope DB, Divine_Madcat, et al won't see this as a criticism of their work, because I genuinely appreciate all the efforts that have been put in thus far - I'd just like to be able to have it at a DD state.
At that point, I think I'd settle.
For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday. Now, it's lucky to get a new ROM in a month. And yet still, devices that are older get new stuff faster than us. So I highly doubt we will get Honeycomb that fast, even with the source.
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However, I'll say that I am still anxious to get a working build of Honeycomb. I hope DB, Divine_Madcat, et al won't see this as a criticism of their work, because I genuinely appreciate all the efforts that have been put in thus far - I'd just like to be able to have it at a DD state.
At that point, I think I'd settle.
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Well, you certainly won't offend me. As it is, i wish i had the ability to make the SDK build more than it is; but I have hit my roadblocks. Our next big project will be ICS, since we should have the source for that, and with the lessons learned from CM7, make it into a daily use product fairly quickly. As we go one, we will see our hardware becoming more dated, but sadly, that happens to the best of us.
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For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday. Now, it's lucky to get a new ROM in a month. And yet still, devices that are older get new stuff faster than us. So I highly doubt we will get Honeycomb that fast, even with the source.
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Look, im sorry, but i am going to be blunt; just because we aren't getting a million "me too!" roms, does not mean we are dying out. If anything, we are ramping up as CM7 gets more and more polished. i mean, in just the last week, USB host support got released for the nook, adding in a second hardware feature officially unlocked. Dalingrin, Fattire, nemith verygreen, and others, have been tirelessly working on our device, and that doesn't show signs of stopping.
As it is, we have gone from a basic ereader, to:
a fully fledged tablet running Android 2.3, overclocked to 1.2-1.3Ghz, with hidden bluetooth and USB host enabled, and dev support that has not faltered since Nov. I would not trade our dev group for any other out there.
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Look, im sorry, but i am going to be blunt; just because we aren't getting a million "me too!" roms, does not mean we are dying out. If anything, we are ramping up as CM7 gets more and more polished. i mean, in just the last week, USB host support got released for the nook, adding in a second hardware feature officially unlocked. Dalingrin, Fattire, nemith verygreen, and others, have been tirelessly working on our device, and that doesn't show signs of stopping.
As it is, we have gone from a basic ereader, to:
a fully fledged tablet running Android 2.3, overclocked to 1.2-1.3Ghz, with hidden bluetooth and USB host enabled, and dev support that has not faltered since Nov. I would not trade our dev group for any other out there.
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Thank you! Isn't it quality that we want over quantity? I'd much rather have 1 GOOD implementation of an OS than 20 bad ones. CM7 is amazing, the work that Divine_Madcat and deeperblue did with HC is rather remarkable considering how little they had to work with.
It's kind of like a free market economy: those that are successful will float to the top, and that's what's happened in this dev community. The good ROMs have definitely stuck around, and the questionable ones didn't. That doesn't mean the community is on its death bed, it just means that the community is maturing. That's a very good thing, IMO.
Yeah, here's another small article on that 7" Android 3.2 tablet. I agree that it'd be wonderful if this could be brought over to the Nook Color, whether it's built from source (ideal scenario) or "ported" from an existing build as with the current Honeycomb builds for the NC. Just the fact that everything is tuned for the exact size screen we have is huge!
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Yeah, here's another small article on that 7" Android 3.2 tablet. I agree that it'd be wonderful if this could be brought over to the Nook Color, whether it's built from source (ideal scenario) or "ported" from an existing build as with the current Honeycomb builds for the NC. Just the fact that everything is tuned for the exact size screen we have is huge!
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Sadly, i don't see it helping too much. The build from that device MIGHT help get rid of the 120DPI limitation, but that is about it.
Now, if somebody were to release a HC tablet built on the Omap 3630, we would be much closer to business...
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Sadly, i don't see it helping too much. The build from that device MIGHT help get rid of the 120DPI limitation, but that is about it.
Now, if somebody were to release a HC tablet built on the Omap 3630, we would be much closer to business...
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Like the phone market, if someone released a low budget HC tablet running a single core. Don't see it happening though.
There are three things that excite me about this Android 3.2 tablet:
1. Honeycomb being changed for a 7 inch screen. I always thought Honeycomb was too much for 7 inches (without going to an insane low DPI). I would love to know what tweaks they made.
2. Unless I missed something this is the first Honeycomb tablet that is not Tegra. That hopefully means the days of Honeycomb apps being Tegra only in many cases is coming to an end. Since Chainfire doesn't work on Honeycomb it would be nice if the app developers did away with the Tegra requirement voluntarily.
3. I am excited that the above two improvements will surely be baked into ICS from the start, meaning that once we DO get the source for Android tablets, we will be able to have a version made for a 7 inch screen.
As far as getting before ICS? Well to me it seems like Honeycomb 3.2 is to Huawei what Honeycomb 3.0 was to Motorola- an OS they get first as reward for being such good Android vendors (read $$$).
It will be winter before we know it, then we get the source for all this cool stuff. Google's gotta pay for that Honeycomb development first...
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For some reason it seems the Nook Color Community is dying out. When I got my Nook around March, there were at least 2 new threads in the dev section everyday.
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I think there are two reasons for that. One is the release of Cyanogenmod stable, the other is Google announcing that they will not release the source code for Honeycomb. CM covers that basics pretty well, and the lack of HC source makes it difficult to explore the cutting edge.
I think that Cyanogenmod will eventually release a ROM for the Nook Color based on Ice Cream Sandwich, when (or if) Google decides to release the source code for that. The ICS source code may revive the rest of the Nook Color development community as well by making it easier to put out cutting edge ROMs.
"ICS by the end of the year" could mean Cyanogenmod and others won't get their hands on the source code until December 31. What I find unsettling about this situation is that right now the manufacturers of new tablets have to crawl on their hands and knees to Google in order to release a Honeycomb tablet. Once Google gets used to having that power and control, will they ever go back to the old, more open way again?
While I do NOT want to wait 'til December for Google to get its act together, the current state of CM does a lot for my patience. I'll use a gadget for as long as it's useful to me. The Palm IIIx still gets used every day, the NC may be no different.
Just placed pre-order for the Amazon tablet. Don't know if it will replace my galaxy tab but for $200 the Amazon tablet looks like a good deal. Also I like the 7 inch better than the 10. I think this will force all others to seriously think about their tablet pricing.
What are your thoughts?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0051VVOB2/ref=mp_s_a_1?qid=1317224821&sr=8-1
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HPs firesale was evidence that pricing can be king outside of the iOS ecosystem, Im personally not interested in one, but I do like the pricing, it could put pressure on other OEMs to drop their prices, look at RIM there are starting to move more playbooks since they are starting to price cut
This also goes to show you how big of a mark up these things have
I just preordered mine as well. I'm crossing my fingers that this thing has bluetooth. Otherwise no external keyboard.
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I just preordered mine as well. I'm crossing my fingers that this thing has bluetooth. Otherwise no external keyboard.
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No bluetooth. Complete specs at the Amazon Landing Page.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=tsm_1_bl_aw?tag=vglnk-c1655-20
But it does have USB 2.0, so you could plug in a Bluetooth adapter. Potential issue: battery life issues from adapter.
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No bluetooth. Complete specs at the Amazon Landing Page.
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0051VVOB2/ref=tsm_1_bl_aw?tag=vglnk-c1655-20
But it does have USB 2.0, so you could plug in a Bluetooth adapter. Potential issue: battery life issues from adapter.
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Depending on the chipset used, it might have latent bluetooth, just like the Nook Color.
Doesn't look like it has a SD slot either. With just 8Gb storage a few movies etc will fill that up.
--bill
There are two considerations I take in above all else these days when I consider a purchase, especially for phone/smaller computing devices.
1. Price to performance (lets be real, tablets are *finally* getting out of over priced stage.)
2. What the support here at XDA is going to be like.
I can handle getting a "mid ranged" device if the price is right.
IF there are enough tweaks, roms, and third party support.
A "Cheap" and "Midranged" tablet can go toe to toe with the best of them.
*if* I consider a tablet.. the lenovo A1 and Amazon Kindle Fire are going to be on the top of the list, because I am suspecting I'll see strong support on both.
Then again, being able to "reverse" whatever I do is also important.
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There are two considerations I take in above all else these days when I consider a purchase, especially for phone/smaller computing devices.
1. Price to performance (lets be real, tablets are *finally* getting out of over priced stage.)
2. What the support here at XDA is going to be like.
I can handle getting a "mid ranged" device if the price is right.
IF there are enough tweaks, roms, and third party support.
A "Cheap" and "Midranged" tablet can go toe to toe with the best of them.
*if* I consider a tablet.. the lenovo A1 and Amazon Kindle Fire are going to be on the top of the list, because I am suspecting I'll see strong support on both.
Then again, being able to "reverse" whatever I do is also important.
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I definitely think there will be lot of dev support for kindle fire given the price point.
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Depending on the chipset used, it might have latent bluetooth, just like the Nook Color.
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Ah! I see. Good point.
The Nook has "latent Bluetooth" but no antenna so it's not very useful.
The new Kindle looks nice, but no 3G/4G (yet). If they do offer it with mobile data it will probably be locked to one carrier. That and being stuck with Amazon's app store makes it a non-starter for me. I'll stick with my old Galaxy 7" for non-home use for now.
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The Nook has "latent Bluetooth" but no antenna so it's not very useful.
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Not quite true.
I'm not impressed what amazon did. Combine their services with good hardware and "real" Android Honeycomb/ice cream sandwich and they might have a winner.
But with this, medium hardware (RAM, int storage, display resolution), missing components, a bit heavy, depends on cyanogen mod to get a real taste of Android, I'm not sure. I see little more than a new Nook color.
With the support of the amazon services like music, video and appstore (since there is no market at least at the beginning) it might be interesting for some people. But for me the 7.7 seems like a much better choice if you look for something smaller than 10.1 or 8.9, even if it costs twice as much.
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I'm not impressed what amazon did. Combine their services with good hardware and "real" Android Honeycomb/ice cream sandwich and they might have a winner.
But with this, medium hardware (RAM, int storage, display resolution), missing components, a bit heavy, depends on cyanogen mod to get a real taste of Android, I'm not sure. I see little more than a new Nook color.
With the support of the amazon services like music, video and appstore (since there is no market at least at the beginning) it might be interesting for some people. But for me the 7.7 seems like a much better choice if you look for something smaller than 10.1 or 8.9, even if it costs twice as much.
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Price is the key though, look what the recent HP firesale did, this will be a mass product aimed at those wanting their first fray into tablets, other manufacturers will need to take note if they want their product to sell. At the way the current global financial state is in Amazon have got a winner here.
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Damn for $199, I'd love to buy it.
Does anyone know if true Android can be hacked or developed for the Kindle fire? It's android based but it doesn't run honeycomb or anything.
I know the Blackberry playbook you cant but that's cause it's RIM software and their security stuff.
It'd be cool if there was a lot of support for it and you can flash all different kinds of ROMs and stuff.
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Damn for $199, I'd love to buy it.
Does anyone know if true Android can be hacked or developed for the Kindle fire? It's android based but it doesn't run honeycomb or anything.
I know the Blackberry playbook you cant but that's cause it's RIM software and their security stuff.
It'd be cool if there was a lot of support for it and you can flash all different kinds of ROMs and stuff.
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I think Amazon tablet will be locked to start with since it is running Amazon's customized Android. We will only know for sure when this is released.
But I think as usual developers will eventually crack it open.
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Price is the key though, look what the recent HP firesale did, this will be a mass product aimed at those wanting their first fray into tablets...
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What do HP touchpad firesale and every china tablet in common (other that the 99$ price tag)? You buy the thing, get frustrated that it doesn't do what you expected and you get a "real" tablet. We have a saying here, if you buy cheap you end up paying twice.
I'm not arguing that it won't sell,it will probably sell pretty good. but I'm saying it's not what it could've been. And I don't think 199$ is particularly cheap for that tablet. It's a good price but not really cheap considering what you give up.
And don't forget everyone who has no access to the amazon services like video and cloud music, which is half of europe. They would get even less out of it but I don't think that it'll be available here.
I think it takes more than a good price to make a winner.
But I don't think amazon really wants to play the tablet game. They want to give you an easier way to subscribe to and consume their content and that's what they can archive with the kindle fire.
I'll wait for the "Fire" app to show up. You know Amazon is going offer one before long.
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I'll wait for the "Fire" app to show up. You know Amazon is going offer one before long.
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I would think it would be more something like "Amazon Portal" that would manage all your Kindle, MP3, Amazon App store, etc on a non-Kindle device.
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I think Amazon tablet will be locked to start with since it is running Amazon's customized Android. We will only know for sure when this is released.
But I think as usual developers will eventually crack it open.
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I'm sure it can be cracked in one way or another. OMAP4 is something a lot of devs have experience with, and I doubt they're deviating much from the components we keep seeing on other platforms.
I'd like to believe that this will be as easy to root as the Nook Color, but given that Amazon has been playing cat-and-mouse with hackers and the older Kindles, I doubt it. Amazon didn't preen their own app store for the last year for nothing, and that's only one content channel they want to own. An open platform means most people will probably install the default Google Market and avoid Amazon's store altogether. The OMAP has some security features in the same vein as the Tegra2, and I'd be surprised if it's not as locked down as the Atrix was before the unlockable bootloader.
That being said, there's a nice tool out there for booting a kernel/ramdisk (read:recovery) OMAP4 over USB, so should Amazon decide to have a change of heart it will be a quick test to tell if the boot process is as easy to hijack as the Nook.
Why not just buy a Galaxy Tab 7" WiFi? Or a used 3g/carrier-branded version on Craigslist. Both can be had for about the same prices as the K-Fire, and they're a whole lot more functional.
Sure, it's single core, but it's single core Hummingbird/SGX540, which is still pretty competitive with the chipset in the PlayKindleBookFire, especially in relation to graphics.
It's also lighter, has a LOT more functionality (GPS, Bluetooth, light sensor, microphone, etc.). And, it's not locked down to the Amazon infrastructure, and has a pretty good XDA community already.
You can still use the Kindle app, but you can also read ePubs, use Google Music, Netflix, etc.
So I have been an xda member since long before the android craze took root, or even before the icrap products were aired, back in the days when the good old winmo or symbian was the only platform of choice for enthusiasts and geeks like us. Those days are sadly the past now, and most of the good folks who were driving the growth of the winmo platforms have now migrated to android, or even ios.
I'm finally taking the jump too and have decided to tinker around with android, thus my dusting off of this account and bringing it back to life from lurker status. I've already purchased a xoom and an iconia a500 recently and am now looking to purchase a third tablet. I know, that sounds a little crazy, buying three tablets on the trot, but they're all going to go around among either family or family after I'm done playing with them. Since I've run my cash well dry by now, as you might as well have guessed, this is going to be my last tech purchase for a while, and probably might also be the tablet that gets left over to me in the end after the others are set up and sent to their new homes as presents as this will be the cheapest yet.
There, I've laid out the whole story. Now for the nagging question, is the nook color still worth the money? I had set my mind on the purchase and was getting down to the exploring options part when I noticed craigslist showing kindle fires going consistently for as much or as the nook colors or even less than that. And that has got me torn. I really badly wanted to buy another nook device, this will be me second after the nook simple touch, which I have yet to receive. However, I am also a performance and a bang for buck junkie, and I am also likely to end up staying with for the long haul. So I want something robust enough ot last me a couple of years from now atleast. Now with the fire sometimes going even cheaper than the nook, is the color still a good buy, and should I take the plunge on this, or that?
I really havent found a recent comparison between the two, especially if they're competing for my dollars at the same price point, to help me decide which one ot go with. The lack of a micro sd is the real killer in fire, the lack of dual core and a modern, higher performing soc in the nook color. I'll be buying either as a potential primary device and will be tinkering with both, meaning rooting, and installing custom roms, so I couldnt care less for what amazon tries forcing down my throat. And I will definitely be buying second hand, probably off craigslist, to save what little I can of my last bits of remaining money and hopefully buy a radeon 7850.
So there, thats my dillema, all put out in fornt of you folks. The question has been bothering me for days, and no amount of searching has managed to help me, and thus I have ended up here, resorting to the good old xda and its pool of immense resources.
Also, should I post this same question on the kindle fire threads too, to get the other side of the picture? Any help would be appreciated.
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Nook Color is definitely still worth it* You can get them used or refurb and the prices come down to around $100.
*It really depends on what you want it for though. It would be more appropriate to compare a Nook Tablet to a Kindle Fire. But the Color is really the ultimate tinker's device. Great developer community and practically unbrickable. With CM7 and CM9 you get great performance numbers for the hardware and tons of bang for the buck.
Nook Tablet is also a good device but it is going to cost more which brings other possible tablets into consideration. Even though B&N wasn't as nice making the NT as open as the NC it is still a great device and the developer support is growing. It is nearly as good for tinkering as the NC at this point.
If you want a device for email, light gaming, web surfing, videos and tinkering as well as a great reading device the Nook Color is about the best bang for the buck you can get.
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I agree. Still a lot of bang for the buck, especially in the $100 range. My coworker always brings me ads from here and there advertising Android 2.0 tablets for $88, this one beats them every time for just a few dollars more.
I used to run Android 1.5 off the SD card using haret on Windows 6.0 (HTC Touch). I miss those days.
After Modding 6 or 7 Nook Colors for family, friends, and coworkers today I decided to pick one up from Cowboom for $100. My daughter has a HTC Flyer and Wife has an iPad 1. I really have no use for one, but I like to tinker from an alpha/beta tester standpoint, and I figure I could at least get my money back when I get bored with it.
All good points actually, and the reminder about android on winmo reminds me of my cousin, he still runs gingerbread of his hd 2. Good stuff.
However, what actually has me torn is seeing both the fire and the nook color going for the same prices. They're both hitting close to hundred on pre-owned units off craigslist. So I can't really decide which would be the better choice for the same price.
And the nook color was my first choice, the merits of rootability and the vibrant community had me won over. And then I saw the fire going for the same price for twice the processor, and now I don't know which way to lean.
The Fire doesn't have an SD card slot. Total deal breaker.
my nook essentially hard bricked without warning, just out of warranty. beyond that it was just too slow IMO for me - laggy video was my main issue. my RAZR is so nice for playing video i no longer can stand slow processor Android devices. my next tablet is probably the Samsung galaxy tab 2 for $250, dual core, GPS, camera, compass, microphone... all the stuff that is missing in the NC. i think you should save your money and put it towards something less limited
The reply above is right on. Personally, I would not buy another Nook in todays market. I have a Nook Tablet too (both were gifts). The Nook was great when I was learning to flash roms, etc because it is literally unbrickable.
What I really HATE is B&N and TI putting all the effort to lock the OS down. If it were not for the great devs here the Nook sales would have stalled long ago.
I for one will never buy another product which has such an anally locked boot loader and OS. The Nexus Tablet is right around the corner.
You should have asked here about the issue you were having with laggy video. I watch .avi's every day at lunch, Grimm, Walking Dead, etc., keep Hitchhikers Guide on it as a matter of principal and keep a few Pinky and the Brain's as baby sitting tools. I use MoBo player and software decode everything. Smooth as glass. The "Server Room Drive-In" is famous.
Ok, here's my 2 cents. As I only own NC, I'll comment only on it.
The nook color is a good device- for old technology. Ok, so the DEV team for NC is fantastic, porting ICS over, which has completely revamped how I see/use the NC now. It's awesome, plays videos, works smoothly. Everything is running clean from Eyeball's nightly.
However, as from your situation, you're looking to keep this device for a while. While the software side (able to crack BN, root, and run android) is fun to tinker with and has good support, the hardware is just not going to be good enough for these days' technology. There are a lot of apps that just needs more power than what the NC has.
So, if you're just buying to tinker and browse the internet on the go, NC is fine. But if u wanna do anything heavy, wait a few more months until some of the newer gen android tablets are priced lower in the market.
Btw, the fire without SD? deal breaker.
Okay, so I've been following this thread, and frankly, it hasnt made my choice any easier. I've gotten two posts against the nc, every post against the fire thanks to its lack of an sd slot, and plenty of others cautioning me against the nc because its dated. :'(
Now what do I do? And guys, even though I will be keeping this device for good, lets not forget that I'm under money constraints, I go any higher and I wont be able to buy my gpu. Plus, waiting is also not an option, I have until the end of this month to complete all my purchases, since I'm getting all this through a family member coming back from the states.
--Werentuckl
Wait for google's nexus tablet,
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I fail to see a problem. You say you are a tinkerer. The unbrickable nature of the NC, (yes someone said they bricked it a while back but they also said they couldn't play videos either, do the math), makes it a no-brainer. Couple that with the fact that you can get them for between $100 and $150 all day long and you are golden.
I am actually satisfied with my nook color use it more than my ipad 2, feel that the ipad is big for all day use
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Given the lack of information on the Google tablet, I would go with either the Nook Color or Nook Tablet. Given limited cash, obviously the nook color. I have a nook color and nook Simple Touch. I love the nook color, sure it doesn't have everything I want, but nothing does. If you are worried about it being dated, you will never buy anything. Everything is dated by the time it gets to market. The biggest problem I have is everything seems to be designed for something else. All the roms seem to be made more for phones than tablets, even my windows 7 notebook came from HP with ta
blet services installed and running on a notebook that doesn't have the hardware to use the services. I am more
worried about the Microsoft/BN deal. Perhaps it will mean more support for windows products in Android, more likely like the Kindle Fire, the next nook will not have a SD slot and will be designed to push people to Microsoft's online services. Perhaps even a nook running windows...
Microsoft always has found creative ways to kill great products... But from what I see, the Nook is by far the best for the money.
I'd agree with Floyd, the google tablet wont be launching until after I am unable to purchase anymore.
So, I'm leaning just a little more towards the nook now than I was before, and I have found a couple of other options to throw in the mix for considering as well. I just found the iconia a100 going for 190, a little under 200 after taxes, at the acer ebay store. And though the fact that the thing has little to no dev support or any roms for that matter, and has abysmal battery life, the thing is still very feature rich. Should I be even be looking towards it or not? Sans custom rom loading goodness and crap battery, its very good bang for buck, no?
Damn, this is so frustrating! This is why spending the last bits of your money is always so difficult. I had no such problems buying either of the last two tablets or the wacoms. :'(
And MisRy, everything is more expensive in ny, thats where the problem initialyl started from, the nc and the fire playing in the same price brackets. Though, any ideas about any decent deals or devices solidly under 200, new, or refurbed, or even craigslisted for nyc, would be welcome.
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And MisRy, everything is more expensive in ny, thats where the problem initialyl started from, the nc and the fire playing in the same price brackets. Though, any ideas about any decent deals or devices solidly under 200, new, or refurbed, or even craigslisted for nyc, would be welcome. ...
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Nook Color refurbished, http://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/cert-pre-owned-nook-color-barnes-noble/1100666155 $135 shipped. My boss got his wife's in 4 business days via UPS.
Brand new from Sears with in store pickup for $150, http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_05725930000P?aff=Y&cj=true&sid=I0084400010000100600
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I would say yes, depending on the price. Got mine in Feb '11 and I've worked the crap out of it. I still don't see any other 7 inch tablet in the sub $200 range as flexable as the nook. The color with CM7 RC2 hits the sweet spot for me. Of course: YMMV.
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Kind of in this dilemma as well. Has anyone had trouble running programs from the play market(3d games, comic apps, drawing apps)? I picked up a NC for 125 a week ago and triple booted without a hitch. It just seemed kind of slow to me, but then again I didn't do too much tweaking. I already returned it but might get it again. Awaiting the Nexus tablet, but would like something to hold me over til then. Any recommendations?
I wouldn't pay 150 for NC, maybe 100 nowaday since the nook tablet is going for 200.
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Silly question, I suppose, but why isn't the nook hd+ just wildly popular. it's such a cool tablet, and you can get them cheap on ebay... or from barnes & noble, for that matter, what with the recent sales at various stores.
EDIT: 3 weeks later and I'm liking my nook more and more. It's just a joy to hold. The perfect size for me. I hope all the predictions about its demise are wrong. I'd love to see it continue to develop, keeping the hardware up-to-date as time goes on.
As a tablet it is fine and dandy with all that it has going for it but I felt it was too big to carry around as a reader. Obviously many many others disagree since the iPad is popular as a reader as well as being used as a tablet though so I don't know
I'm mostly unplugged from mainstream media, but I don't think it got nearly the exposure of the Nexus and Kindle Fire products. It also has the B&N app store dragging it down, and the original software (which is what most people experienced in-store last year, and maybe still do) was a bit laggy. Developers and tech lovers flocked to the Nexus 7/10 and "For Dummies" types looking for a media device went to Amazon and Apple. The low end of the tablet market is a lot more crowded than it used to be.
We have to remember, the Nook is targeted as an eReader. To be frank, it actually is - nothing more. Only once rooted, or once CM10 is installed, is it's true full potential unleashed, as a competitor against the Nexus 7, iPad etc. Without the XDA community, and the developers here (sincerely thankful to those), without them, this tablet would be basic eReader.
You can imagine the amount of people who have a Nook HD/+ and have no idea how to root, or install CM10. Those who simply use it as an eReader; they're not going to consider it competing against the likes of a Nexus 7. Once the developer community steps in, that's when it's popularity is increased.
So, as a stock ROM is shipped by default, and not many people are aware of it's "full-potential", we can assume this is the reason for lack of sales.
Boy, ain't that the truth. I think B&N are doing a huge disservice to themselves and their customers by being so uncooperative with all the developers who're making their tablets into useful multipurpose devices.
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We have to remember, the Nook is targeted as an eReader. To be frank, it actually is - nothing more. Only once rooted, or once CM10 is installed, is it's true full potential unleashed, as a competitor against the Nexus 7, iPad etc. Without the XDA community, and the developers here (sincerely thankful to those), without them, this tablet would be basic eReader.
You can imagine the amount of people who have a Nook HD/+ and have no idea how to root, or install CM10. Those who simply use it as an eReader; they're not going to consider it competing against the likes of a Nexus 7. Once the developer community steps in, that's when it's popularity is increased.
So, as a stock ROM is shipped by default, and not many people are aware of it's "full-potential", we can assume this is the reason for lack of sales.
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We tend to forget that B & N is in the book business not the hardware business. While I wish they would let this device be fully and easily converted to an Android tablet, why would they? I use the few hacks available and find it to be good as an Android Tablet and happy to have it.
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Boy, ain't that the truth. I think B&N are doing a huge disservice to themselves and their customers by being so uncooperative with all the developers who're making their tablets into useful multipurpose devices.
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Yes, of course they're in the book business. But they do sell other stuff, nice coffee cups, for instance, with cute book-related quotes printed on the outside. And they don't lock the top, making them useless for coffee, on the grounds that they're a book business and don't want to allow their customers to actually use their mechandise for anything other than reading. Or, maybe if they were selling sports cars, they'd take the wheels off, insisting that people only use them to sit in the driver's seat and read books on the heads-up video display. In short, it seems to me that, more than being in the book business, they're in the business of selling stuff, and, no matter what that stuff, it seems silly to deliberately cripple it. It's as if they started censoring their books based on some arbitrary rule....
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We tend to forget that B & N is in the book business not the hardware business. While I wish they would let this device be fully and easily converted to an Android tablet, why would they? I use the few hacks available and find it to be good as an Android Tablet and happy to have it.
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We tend to forget that B & N is in the book business not the hardware business. While I wish they would let this device be fully and easily converted to an Android tablet, why would they?
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They just took a big step in that direction: http://liliputing.com/2013/05/bn-adds-google-play-store-to-nook-hd-nook-hd.html
If they would just let other launchers override the native button/notification bar and recent apps, I wouldn't need CM10.
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Yes, of course they're in the book business. But they do sell other stuff, nice coffee cups, for instance, with cute book-related quotes printed on the outside. And they don't lock the top, making them useless for coffee, on the grounds that they're a book business and don't want to allow their customers to actually use their mechandise for anything other than reading. Or, maybe if they were selling sports cars, they'd take the wheels off, insisting that people only use them to sit in the driver's seat and read books on the heads-up video display. In short, it seems to me that, more than being in the book business, they're in the business of selling stuff, and, no matter what that stuff, it seems silly to deliberately cripple it. It's as if they started censoring their books based on some arbitrary rule....
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Comparing a tablet and a coffee mug is like me comparing a car and a tank.. Two COMPLETELY different things.. I'm pretty sure it probably cost B&N about 2 dollars to "make" that coffee mug and sell it at a 90% profit when they sell them.. Tablets are very content driven.. B&N probably isn't making any money on the Nook itself.. More off the content that people buy on it (Newspapers, books, magazine subscriptions, ect..)
Yes, of course you're right: they're very different things. Just like books and cups and nooks are all very different things. All I'm saying it *whatever* they sell, whatever *anybody* sells, they should probably sell the best stuff they can. I still buy ebooks from the B&N store, but I would never have bought a nook in the first place if it couldn't be uncrippled. As it is, I've bought 4 of them. But no thanks to B&N. A big thanks to xda developers.
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Comparing a tablet and a coffee mug is like me comparing a car and a tank.. Two COMPLETELY different things.. I'm pretty sure it probably cost B&N about 2 dollars to "make" that coffee mug and sell it at a 90% profit when they sell them.. Tablets are very content driven.. B&N probably isn't making any money on the Nook itself.. More off the content that people buy on it (Newspapers, books, magazine subscriptions, ect..)
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I don't think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 is selling well, either. It has had several $50-off sales, and has been marked down to $269 (16GB) from $299. Likewise, from the latest IDC report, the whole KFHD line hasn't had the same success as the orig KF had. A reasonable conclusion can be drawn that, as tablet users become more savvy and demanding of their tablets, walled-garden-style tablets with limited ecosystem are losing out to more "open" tablets. Perhaps that's the same conclusion drawn by B&N in adopting Goog Play.
http://www.geekwire.com/2013/amazons-kindle-fire-dips-4-market-share/
It'll be interesting to see how Amazon adjusts to the slowdown in adoption rate. It can't rely on low pricing to push KFs any more, not with low-end tabs dropping down to $170 for 7" and $250 for 10". From the B&N CEO's allusions, we can surmise that B&N is ditching the hardware route and concentrating on packaging its core IPs for existing ecos. There's no good business reason for B&N to do its own hardware, now that the walled-eco strategy has failed.
I just got the Nook HD+ a couple of days ago, about a day before the new 2.1.0 update, so have had experience with both the old and new software. The improvement is night and day. I'm hoping that this will kickstart the Nook line and get more users into the Nook fold, if for nothing else than to get more bodies into these forums. The hardware is great, and now the (stock) software is good enough. But for the long term, I do expect the HD line to be the last of the Nooks.
Yahoo! Sounds like they're starting to get the message.
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They just took a big step in that direction: http://liliputing.com/2013/05/bn-adds-google-play-store-to-nook-hd-nook-hd.html
If they would just let other launchers override the native button/notification bar and recent apps, I wouldn't need CM10.
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Nicely said. Yes, yes, and yes. And I imagine you're right, too, about the HD being the end of the line for nooks. But I hope not. I really like my HD+ and would love to see them continue to upgrade it!
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I don't think the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 is selling well, either. It has had several $50-off sales, and has been marked down to $269 (16GB) from $299. Likewise, from the latest IDC report, the whole KFHD line hasn't had the same success as the orig KF had. A reasonable conclusion can be drawn that, as tablet users become more savvy and demanding of their tablets, walled-garden-style tablets with limited ecosystem are losing out to more "open" tablets. Perhaps that's the same conclusion drawn by B&N in adopting Goog Play.
http://www.geekwire.com/2013/amazons-kindle-fire-dips-4-market-share/
It'll be interesting to see how Amazon adjusts to the slowdown in adoption rate. It can't rely on low pricing to push KFs any more, not with low-end tabs dropping down to $170 for 7" and $250 for 10". From the B&N CEO's allusions, we can surmise that B&N is ditching the hardware route and concentrating on packaging its core IPs for existing ecos. There's no good business reason for B&N to do its own hardware, now that the walled-eco strategy has failed.
I just got the Nook HD+ a couple of days ago, about a day before the new 2.1.0 update, so have had experience with both the old and new software. The improvement is night and day. I'm hoping that this will kickstart the Nook line and get more users into the Nook fold, if for nothing else than to get more bodies into these forums. The hardware is great, and now the (stock) software is good enough. But for the long term, I do expect the HD line to be the last of the Nooks.
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Nicely said. Yes, yes, and yes. And I imagine you're right, too, about the HD being the end of the line for nooks. But I hope not. I really like my HD+ and would love to see them continue to upgrade it!
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I'm doubtful whether there will even be another generation of eink Nooks, though I'd love to see a reader with the screen and lighting of the new Kobo Aura, but running Android.
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You just need a bigger carry bag
Seriously, though, one of the reasons I like the HD+ is that it fits in my small Eagle Creek side bag... just barely. Whereas all the 10" tablets are too big. And I love that it's big enough to display a usable full hacker's keyboard in portrait mode. On my 7" tablets, the keys are too small for my big fingers. The keyboard works well on the 7"s in reduced mode, but it's kind of nice to have working Ctrl and Tab keys accessible all the time.
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As a tablet it is fine and dandy with all that it has going for it but I felt it was too big to carry around as a reader. Obviously many many others disagree since the iPad is popular as a reader as well as being used as a tablet though so I don't know
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Had it released with Google Market, it would have been. That of course would defeat the business model purpose of the device in the first place.
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Had it released with Google Market, it would have been. That of course would defeat the business model purpose of the device in the first place.
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You are absolutely right. I was in the market for a tablet in last November and checked out Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD 7, and Nook HD. I ruled out Nook quickly after checking what's available in the B&N App store. I have Amazon Prime but still refused to pay for a KFHD due to the locked environment. In the end, I bought Nexus 7 and later received KFHD as a free gift. Now I just bought a new Nook HD+ as I prefer a larger tablet for reading books and technical manuals. I would not have bought one if they didn't add Google Play support.
I was able to take advantage of the Mother's Day sale on barnes&noble.com, got me a Nook HD+ for $228 with taxes and shipping—still a great steal at that. I wish B&N would turn the walled ecosystem biz model on its head and compete head-on with the other tablet giants. Heck, ship them all rooted, and watch the buyers drop the Kindle and iPad mini lines en masse once they realize what Nook HD+ can do. (the hope of course being that B&N can sell more books despite having that open platform)
I do hope they don't discontinue the Nooks; with their specs, they can price it up to $300 and it'd still be an attractive alternative to the other better-marketed options from Samsung, Apple and Amazon.
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They just took a big step in that direction: http://liliputing.com/2013/05/bn-adds-google-play-store-to-nook-hd-nook-hd.html
If they would just let other launchers override the native button/notification bar and recent apps, I wouldn't need CM10.
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? I installed apex launcher from Google Play and everything worked fine sorry for bumping an old post
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? I installed apex launcher from Google Play and everything worked fine sorry for bumping an old post
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Ya I ran go launcher HD pad version and it works fine on stock nook HD+
I am running cm 10.1 now rooted.
I would have been ok with running stock rom, but got too many "you can't do that" messages lol.
So I'm running CM 10.1 and love it. This is a fantastic tablet for the value. I got the HD+ 32gb for $ 179
then added a 64GB sandisk class 6 (one of the very few 64gb sdcards that actually works without problems on nook)
so I have a 96gb tablet that still cheaper than a Nexus or Asus.
Very happy with it and recommended to all my friends.
I think if more people were fully aware how awesome it was for the low cost, they would quickly be bought up!
We sort of knew this was coming, from the HD+ fire sale. Stock up on the HD/HD+ while you can.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/08/microsoft-mulling-nook-media-llc-purchase-for-1-billion/
The [internal] documents also reveal that Nook Media plans to discontinue its Android-based tablet business by the end of its 2014 fiscal year as it transitions to a model where Nook content is distributed through apps on “third-party partner” devices.
That kind of explains what is happening with the Play Store addition and the fire sale. I was reading another article earlier where the author predicted that the fire sale would be extended through Fathers Day. I talked to the manager of our local B&N store yesterday and she said the devices are flying off the shelves. They had a huge inventory.
But I hate to think of our beloved Nooks in the hands of M$.
And Google and M$ are not exactly bosom buddies. They are problably going to want to get rid of Android in favor of Windows RT.
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Oh man I was just thinking how they could update the Nook OS to be Jelly Bean now they have GAPPS integrated. I figured since Google Now was such a big part of JB and you need GAPPS to run GN. Now I wonder if they will bother putting the time into updating their fork. Maybe they should give us some kind of unlock so we can natively load CM ont he internal emmc and release the kernel source.
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Oh man I was just thinking how they could update the Nook OS to be Jelly Bean now they have GAPPS integrated. I figured since Google Now was such a big part of JB and you need GAPPS to run GN. Now I wonder if they will bother putting the time into updating their fork. Maybe they should give us some kind of unlock so we can natively load CM ont he internal emmc and release the kernel source.
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The kernel source is released. And verygreen already has unlocked emmc so CM10.1 is installed natively.
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The kernel source is released. And verygreen already has unlocked emmc so CM10.1 is installed natively.
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Ok well I feel stupid. I thought there were some issues with the kernel, maybe it was the porting to 4.2 I guess. I assumed since there wasn't much development was because of some difficulty in getting loads directly on the emmc.
But it would still be nice to have one last update of the BN stock ROM to at least 4.1 so we could have GN on stock.
>But I hate to think of our beloved Nooks in the hands of M$.
People are already coming up with names for the potential MS device, the XBoox.
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Ok well I feel stupid. I thought there were some issues with the kernel, maybe it was the porting to 4.2 I guess. I assumed since there wasn't much development was because of some difficulty in getting loads directly on the emmc.
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There was great difficulty, but verygreen overcame those difficulties. And that difficulty is why we don't have a slew of developers lined up to work on these devices.
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There was great difficulty, but verygreen overcame those difficulties. And that difficulty is why we don't have a slew of developers lined up to work on these devices.
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I thought I had read that it just wasn't as straightforward like a phone with an unlocked bootloader. Once unlocked its free game. But now I see the thread, pretty awesome. Maybe that and the firesale will open up some more development?
Shame to see this news... I've been a fan of the Nooks due to the SD slot, amongst other things. Sadly, other companies like Amazon would prefer to keep you in their ad ridden and shopping oriented ecosystem. I suspect that the HD and HD+ are the last units we may see. No point in a fresh hardware update given their time scale...
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We sort of knew this was coming, from the HD+ fire sale. Stock up on the HD/HD+ while you can.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/08/microsoft-mulling-nook-media-llc-purchase-for-1-billion/
The [internal] documents also reveal that Nook Media plans to discontinue its Android-based tablet business by the end of its 2014 fiscal year as it transitions to a model where Nook content is distributed through apps on “third-party partner” devices.
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Not sure why the term "fire sale" is being used so freely. it's a limited time sale, not a permanent price cut. it's not like hp slate which went from $300 to $100 in order to completely deplete stock of the devices. Not saying BN isn't trying to sell off some of the abundance of nooks it has just sitting around. But it's POSSIBLE they're finally waking up and trying to address some of the customers issues.
Still a very good deal even for fire sale
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Not sure why the term "fire sale" is being used so freely. it's a limited time sale, not a permanent price cut. it's not like hp slate which went from $300 to $100 in order to completely deplete stock of the devices. Not saying BN isn't trying to sell off some of the abundance of nooks it has just sitting around. But it's POSSIBLE they're finally waking up and trying to address some of the customers issues.
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Even if it is a fire sale, it is an incredibly good deal. Also support is guaranteed until at least 2014 so no worries on warranty.
I regret not picking up HP touchpad when it was on fire sale. It actually had better hardware overall for the price than the new HP Slate 7.
$179 for a nice tablet like Nook HD+ is an incredible deal. I picked one and may pick up another one for gifting before the sale ends.
I'd like to pick one up but the 1 GB ram is the only thing stopping me at this point. =(
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I'd like to pick one up but the 1 GB ram is the only thing stopping me at this point. =(
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Why is that a problem?
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PoisonWolf said:
I'd like to pick one up but the 1 GB ram is the only thing stopping me at this point. =(
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I see no issues due to this. Impressive tablet.
PoisonWolf said:
I'd like to pick one up but the 1 GB ram is the only thing stopping me at this point. =(
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Tablet runs super smooth, no issues here, for the price and with the specs of this tablet you just can't go wrong. Just the screen itself is worth it.
My big thing is I actually use the "nook books" I've purchased a rather large library of them and honestly hope they keep that active for quite some time. It's likely I realize just because they don't seem to have any plan to ditch the eBook's completely, but I'd hope they have compatibility going forward for quite some time.
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