Just come from an S2 and on that I installed a custom recovery, wiped everything and flashed the new rom going from vodafone to UK, worked fine!
Now I see this S4 has knox, I would rather not trip that messing about with the phone so I am wondering if a custom bootloader like cwm on the S2 will trip knox if I run it and wipe the phone to allow the csc change?
I would like to give the german rom a go and then when released wipe it all and stick the UK one on without tripping a thing and allowing kies to work in the future.
Any advice?
Thanks.
Flashing official firmware will not trip KNOX. Moreover, some custom recovery will do. So be careful if you will root your phone.
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Most things I use root for on the S2 are part of the S4's default stuff so I can live without root.
It's the bit about being able to swap to a new csc that worries me, on the S2 I had to format everything then flash a new rom that had the new CSC for it to take and work with Kies, or is this no longer the case with the S4?
also what custom recoveries can run without tripping knox so I can format the lot?
system, preload (if it is still used on the S4) Data etc.
Thanks.
GoNz0 said:
Most things I use root for on the S2 are part of the S4's default stuff so I can live without root.
It's the bit about being able to swap to a new csc that worries me, on the S2 I had to format everything then flash a new rom that had the new CSC for it to take and work with Kies, or is this no longer the case with the S4?
also what custom recoveries can run without tripping knox so I can format the lot?
system, preload (if it is still used on the S4) Data etc.
Thanks.
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You'll have to change the CSC yourself.
I have read that some TWRP users did not trip their KNOX flag. Not sure though. AFAIK, any custom recovery will trip KNOX. I think it's Samsung's way of preventing us to use other ROMs? IDK.
cheers ~
I guess we will see!
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Alright, where to begin.
I've owned quite a few Samsung phones by now and I've rooted every single one of them and installed custom recovery and ROMs. But with KNOX on the S4 this has made me unsure...
What will happen to my device when I root it now? I figure it'll trigger the Knox flag to 0x1. What are the drawbacks of that? Will it affect the function of my device?
And is the rooting procedure done as usual with Odin like on the S3?
And maybe most of all, is it worth rooting the S4 and installing custom ROMs?
Many questions, but I haven't found any real answers to any of them...
Nothing will happen to your device when counter z 0×1
Drawback z you'll void ur warranty & youll not get official updates if u r on I9500.If ur on I9505 then triangle away can solve both problems.No function gets hampers until you really mess with ur phone but that's after root
Yes the procedure z same
Well if ur on I9500 then there r only customised stock version nothing much only debloated or deodexed.If ur on I9505 then definitely worth it
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Triangle away dont do much with the knox . Once trigger there is no way at the moment to reset this.
hjertis said:
Alright, where to begin.
I've owned quite a few Samsung phones by now and I've rooted every single one of them and installed custom recovery and ROMs. But with KNOX on the S4 this has made me unsure...
What will happen to my device when I root it now? I figure it'll trigger the Knox flag to 0x1. What are the drawbacks of that? Will it affect the function of my device?
And is the rooting procedure done as usual with Odin like on the S3?
And maybe most of all, is it worth rooting the S4 and installing custom ROMs?
Many questions, but I haven't found any real answers to any of them...
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What happens when you actually get Knox flagged to 0x1?
You basically lose the ability to install Knox softwares, and your device will be flagged as 'insecure', which means if your company allows employees to bring their own device to work for accessing corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security, your device will not allow this. However, you will still have the ability to use future samsung firmware releases even though you have the knox flagged.
How do you trigger Knox?
You still can root your phone with CFautoroot, but that will trigger knox to flagged to 0x1. If you try to downgrade your firmware, knox will also trigger to 0x1, therefore, once you upgrade to new bootloader, there is no way to go back to old bootloader without knox. (I would suggest if you do not want knox, but you want the new firmware, you've got to manually flash the modem.bin files using Odin)
Lastly, there is still a big question mark as to whether Samsung will actually service devices with knox 0x1
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What happens when you actually get Knox flagged to 0x1?
You basically lose the ability to install Knox softwares, and your device will be flagged as 'insecure', which means if your company allows employees to bring their own device to work for accessing corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security, your device will not allow this. However, you will still have the ability to use future samsung firmware releases even though you have the knox flagged.
How do you trigger Knox?
You still can root your phone with CFautoroot, but that will trigger knox to flagged to 0x1. If you try to downgrade your firmware, knox will also trigger to 0x1, therefore, once you upgrade to new bootloader, there is no way to go back to old bootloader without knox. (I would suggest if you do not want knox, but you want the new firmware, you've got to manually flash the modem.bin files using Odin)
Lastly, there is still a big question mark as to whether Samsung will actually service devices with knox 0x1
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I agree with you except last words. Modem has nothing to do with knox... flashing a different modem version from rest of FW version (ROM and CSC) will probably give some data or voice problems, and he will still have the same android 4.2.2 version....
What I suggest if he wants last FW, is just flash it, root it, delete all knox files, assume he will have knox bit activated, and enjoy it.
Hello guys,
I’m aware this has been discussed many times before, but this information is "old" most of the times. My Galaxy S4 (i9505) is now running stock Touchwiz Android 4.3 (i9505XXUEMJ7).
What I want to do is the following: flash my phone to a i9505G, but with some research I've found that that isn't possible. Are there any other ways to get the clean i9505G 4.4.2 ROM without any changes (like root) on my i9505? (I know there are much custom ROM's, but if possible I'd like to keep it "stock".)
Since I'm running 4.3 with Knox I'm a little scared about the Knox 0x1 status, is this already "resolved" or will this still be a problem?
Thanks.
Broodplank's AOSP rom is the way to go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2397511
You still need to flash a custom recovery to flash it, though. I recommend CWM. Simply works.
tsphere said:
Broodplank's AOSP rom is the way to go:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2397511
You still need to flash a custom recovery to flash it, though. I recommend CWM. Simply works.
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Thanks for your reply. Rooting and flashing a custom recovery shouldn't be a problem, however I'm still a little worried about Knox, there simply isn't a way to reset it after it goes to 0x1?
The HTC One can be "changed" into a HTC One Google Edition: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
But as far as I can tell this isn't possible for the Galaxy S4?
As far as i seen, once you flash something with odin, your knox flag gets changed. However it's not clear to me whether it changes the warranty actually...
tsphere said:
As far as i seen, once you flash something with odin, your knox flag gets changed. However it's not clear to me whether it changes the warranty actually...
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It's not just the warrenty I'm worried about. If I want to sell the phone later I want it to be fully working, I assume with Knox 0x1 Knox isn't working anymore?
JoeyLe said:
Thanks for your reply. Rooting and flashing a custom recovery shouldn't be a problem, however I'm still a little worried about Knox, there simply isn't a way to reset it after it goes to 0x1?
The HTC One can be "changed" into a HTC One Google Edition: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2358781
But as far as I can tell this isn't possible for the Galaxy S4?
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In theory every non G device can be converted into a G device if the hardware model is the same but in practice is not always accomplished 100%. The problem here is Knox, for waht I understand it has 2 layers: The knox bloatware that comes stock on sammys ROM and the off rom portion included in the bootloader. The bootloader is basically what the system loads up first
. so it can't bypassed. So to kkep it simple, if you flash ANYTHING (not sure however if re flashing the stock original ROM activates the flag) on the knox bootloader (AKA: new bootloader) the ''flag'' will change to 0x1, this flag is called eFuse so basically 0x1 means is burned and it can't be changed ANYWAY. If you don't plan to use your phone for work you shouldn't care about the flag.
For more information you can check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
JoeyLe said:
It's not just the warrenty I'm worried about. If I want to sell the phone later I want it to be fully working, I assume with Knox 0x1 Knox isn't working anymore?
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1. It isn't clear if Knox 0x1 voids warranty or not.
2. If you have Knox 0x1 your phone will work fine, but you won't be able to use Knox security enhancements.
3. You can't convert the 9505 to the 9505G, the Google Play edition has different bootloader, modem and pit partition.
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dclarkg said:
In theory every non G device can be converted into a G device if the hardware model is the same but in practice is not always accomplished 100%. The problem here is Knox, for waht I understand it has 2 layers: The knox bloatware that comes stock on sammys ROM and the off rom portion included in the bootloader. The bootloader is basically what the system loads up first
. so it can't bypassed. So to kkep it simple, if you flash ANYTHING (not sure however if re flashing the stock original ROM activates the flag) on the knox bootloader (AKA: new bootloader) the ''flag'' will change to 0x1, this flag is called eFuse so basically 0x1 means is burned and it can't be changed ANYWAY. If you don't plan to use your phone for work you shouldn't care about the flag.
For more information you can check this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447832
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Thank you very much! That was very interesting to read. I personally don't care about Knox, all the Samsung bloatware is the main reason I want to have stock Android on my S4.
dandroid13 said:
1. It isn't clear if Knox 0x1 voids warranty or not.
2. If you have Knox 0x1 your phone will work fine, but you won't be able to use Knox security enhancements.
3. You can't convert the 9505 to the 9505G, the Google Play edition has different bootloader, modem and pit partition.
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Thanks for the information. I see there are many custom roms which are very close to stock Android, that should be fine as well.
JoeyLe said:
Thanks for the information. I see there are many custom roms which are very close to stock Android, that should be fine as well.
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Sure, but the 4.4 roms (Google Play) have one main issue, random reboots.
I have a phone which has a lot of problems after the KitKat update.
Now I want to try to reinstall KitKat. Samsung doesn't provide this, so I want to use ODIN and the firmware from SamMobile.
Does anybody know if I will do this that it will trip the Knox counter?
What if you try to just reset the phone to factory settings? I wouldn't know anything about Knox though. Hope you sort it out. :fingers-crossed:
Cootje_NL said:
I have a phone which has a lot of problems after the KitKat update.
Now I want to try to reinstall KitKat. Samsung doesn't provide this, so I want to use ODIN and the firmware from SamMobile.
Does anybody know if I will do this that it will trip the Knox counter?
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no it wont
markslo112 said:
What if you try to just reset the phone to factory settings? I wouldn't know anything about Knox though. Hope you sort it out. :fingers-crossed:
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Tnx for the tip. Already tried that 2 times. No luck
Cootje_NL said:
I have a phone which has a lot of problems after the KitKat update.
Now I want to try to reinstall KitKat. Samsung doesn't provide this, so I want to use ODIN and the firmware from SamMobile.
Does anybody know if I will do this that it will trip the Knox counter?
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it won't trip Knox, i tried it several times as long as they are official roms
Cootje_NL said:
I have a phone which has a lot of problems after the KitKat update.
Now I want to try to reinstall KitKat. Samsung doesn't provide this, so I want to use ODIN and the firmware from SamMobile.
Does anybody know if I will do this that it will trip the Knox counter?
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long as they are official samsung roms you be ok....
I reinstalled my firmware and I can confirm that it indeed won't trip Knox.
As it might be useful I also want to share that updating using my Mac (with VMWare for Windows) gave me a lot of troubles. After using a native Windows laptop the update went fine.
Too bad it didn't solve my problem. Going back to the store to claim my warranty.
jaythenut said:
no it wont
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So forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question here but I thought that if I root my Note 3 I will automatically trip the Knox counter, even before I get anywhere near flashing a new ROM - stock or custom. Is that not true then?
Medical HRH said:
So forgive me if I'm asking a stupid question here but I thought that if I root my Note 3 I will automatically trip the Knox counter, even before I get anywhere near flashing a new ROM - stock or custom. Is that not true then?
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You won't trip Knox if you install a KK rom but will if you try to flash bak JB.
Any form of rooting will trip Knox. There used to be safe ways that didn't but with the introduction of the newer bootloaders this is no longer guaranteed...
Have you tried backing up any info you want to keep to a pc then factory resetting, I found KK was a b!tch until I reset it due to old JB data scraps causing issues...
ultramag69 said:
You won't trip Knox if you install a KK rom but will if you try to flash bak JB.
Any form of rooting will trip Knox. There used to be safe ways that didn't but with the introduction of the newer bootloaders this is no longer guaranteed...
Have you tried backing up any info you want to keep to a pc then factory resetting, I found KK was a b!tch until I reset it due to old JB data scraps causing issues...
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I'm on stock 4.3 and not having any issues at the moment - other than my Note 3 not picking up the 4G signal on 3 for some infuriating reason.
So can I flash a stock KK rom without rooting then? I'm probably being thick but thought you had to be rooted to flash any kind of ROM?
Medical HRH said:
I'm on stock 4.3 and not having any issues at the moment - other than my Note 3 not picking up the 4G signal on 3 for some infuriating reason.
So can I flash a stock KK rom without rooting then? I'm probably being thick but thought you had to be rooted to flash any kind of ROM?
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You have to be rooted to flash the custom roms provided here and that will mostly be thru recovery. It will surely trip knox. To flash stock roms from sammobile you don't need root. That can be done thru odin.
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I would suggest however, if you are network locked to unlock 1st... If you need to flash a separate modem afterwards this can trip Knox as you aren't really using a "Stock rom"...
Also make sure re-activation lock is OFF.... If you go to Kitkat and you don't have a KK rom yet you are stuck with a softbricked phone until you do get the KK rom... You can't go back to JB after flashing KK rom due to a new bootloader...
I recently purchased a SM-N900W8. Love this device, just retired my S2 which i messed around with for a few years and never had issues...
I neglected to do research on XDA (Big mistake) before rooting it and had no idea about the repercussions of this KNOX issue.
I used this method to root it (http://galaxynote3root.com/galaxy-note-3-root/how-to-root-galaxy-note-3/)
I successfully installed CWM recovery and SuperSu and the phone is rooted. I had no intentions of installing Custom Roms just yet just wanted to be able to use some of my favorite apps that require rooting. The phones Current Binary and Phone status have both been tagged custom but my KNOX Warranty Void is still tagged at 0X0. Needless to say maybe I got lucky?
I was hoping to Revert to Stock and Unroot so I could follow this method instead (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2498850)
Is there anyways to Accomplish this without tripping the KNOX counter? I've been scouring the forums for several hours trying to find a concrete answer but cannot.
I have downloaded my stock firmware (http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/3/?download=26653)
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I have included a screenshot of my device info. I apologize in advance if this issue has already been addressed.
Thanks,
-Rob
For device info and Knox warranty status, you can use my app Phone INFO ★Samsung★ to get more detailed info.
Download link in my signature.
Why did you even install CWM if you didn't need it ?
Why do you want to remove it ? Don't fix it if it ain't broken. De la vega will trip Knox in 4.4, so leave it as it is.
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Dejan Sathanas said:
Why did you even install CWM if you didn't need it ?
Why do you want to remove it ? Don't fix it if it ain't broken. De la vega will trip Knox in 4.4, so leave it as it is.
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Will do. Was just worried about official updates and warranty if phone still says custom but knox is not tripped. But bell outsources another company for repairs and doesn't send back to Samsung directly so I probably don't need to worry to much..
I used CWM because I've used it for a couple years with my S2 and enjoyed the features so when I saw cwm was avaliable for note 3 I jumped on it.
But there is no way to revert to stock without tripping count?
Thanks.
SSJ3Rob said:
Will do. Was just worried about official updates and warranty if phone still says custom but knox is not tripped. But bell outsources another company for repairs and doesn't send back to Samsung directly so I probably don't need to worry to much..
I used CWM because I've used it for a couple years with my S2 and enjoyed the features so when I saw cwm was avaliable for note 3 I jumped on it.
But there is no way to revert to stock without tripping count?
Thanks.
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Flashing stock using odin should rever everything back to stock and possibly not trip knox counte, I am saying possibly cuz nobody has tried to flash stock recovery and try to keep knox cool as custom recoveries have tripped everyone's knox AFAIK. But your phone FW or maybe something else might make your device an exception.
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Khizar said:
Flashing stock using odin should rever everything back to stock and possibly not trip knox counte, I am saying possibly cuz nobody has tried to flash stock recovery and try to keep knox cool as custom recoveries have tripped everyone's knox AFAIK. But your phone FW or maybe something else might make your device an exception.
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I will leave as is for now until more info on the subject surfaces. As much as I want to try to flash back to stock recovery and test your theory I will hold out and not mess around with CWM or mess with apps requiring root to much incase it decides to trip the counter.
Thanks.
Hi guys so I'm really sorry if this has been asked millions of times but what I want to know is, does tripping the KNOX flag open a huge risk to normal system functionality not working? Now I know KNOX tripping, prevents you from using KNOX related stuff but does it stop you from an average joe using their phone normally, installing apps, sideloading apps, using the camera. That sort of thing.
The other thing is, I want to have a go at flashing custom ROMs to my device. My warranty runs out next month so this would be perfect, providing the above question is true (that it doesn't disable full functionality) I will go and follow normal tutorials.
Now I've been reading about SafeStrap and how it creates the ability to flash ROMs without touching vital system parts that would trip KNOX. Is this true? Could I really root without tripping, install SafeStrap and finally install custom ROMs without tripping KNOX or am I in a dream world haha?
WhaleTrain said:
Hi guys so I'm really sorry if this has been asked millions of times but what I want to know is, does tripping the KNOX flag open a huge risk to normal system functionality not working? Now I know KNOX tripping, prevents you from using KNOX related stuff but does it stop you from an average joe using their phone normally, installing apps, sideloading apps, using the camera. That sort of thing.
The other thing is, I want to have a go at flashing custom ROMs to my device. My warranty runs out next month so this would be perfect, providing the above question is true (that it doesn't disable full functionality) I will go and follow normal tutorials.
Now I've been reading about SafeStrap and how it creates the ability to flash ROMs without touching vital system parts that would trip KNOX. Is this true? Could I really root without tripping, install SafeStrap and finally install custom ROMs without tripping KNOX or am I in a dream world haha?
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Tripping knox does not affect phone performance, as for safestrap, as far as I know that has to be used on locked bootloader phones (like US carrier ones).
Once knox is tripped knox is tripped, I have heard the proggy that does not trip knox when rooting is Towelroot, but some people are having big problems with battery life.
WhaleTrain said:
Hi guys so I'm really sorry if this has been asked millions of times but what I want to know is, does tripping the KNOX flag open a huge risk to normal system functionality not working? Now I know KNOX tripping, prevents you from using KNOX related stuff but does it stop you from an average joe using their phone normally, installing apps, sideloading apps, using the camera. That sort of thing.
The other thing is, I want to have a go at flashing custom ROMs to my device. My warranty runs out next month so this would be perfect, providing the above question is true (that it doesn't disable full functionality) I will go and follow normal tutorials.
Now I've been reading about SafeStrap and how it creates the ability to flash ROMs without touching vital system parts that would trip KNOX. Is this true? Could I really root without tripping, install SafeStrap and finally install custom ROMs without tripping KNOX or am I in a dream world haha?
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Yes, it seems to be possible that you can flash custom roms without tripping Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/general/guide-how-to-install-custom-roms-t2852310
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Without tripping knox you can get root, and modify the actual rom filesystem, for example you can change all /system of the rom using mobile odin pro.
You cannot change kernel or recovery, or you get knox 0x1.
Flashing roms with mobile odin pro is possible only if rom is compatible with your current official kernel you have, or the results would be bad (wifi not working or so on..).
fear_factory84 said:
Without tripping knox you can get root, and modify the actual rom filesystem, for example you can change all /system of the rom using mobile odin pro.
You cannot change kernel or recovery, or you get knox 0x1.
Flashing roms with mobile odin pro is possible only if rom is compatible with your current official kernel you have, or the results would be bad (wifi not working or so on..).
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Can you flash roms after knox has been tripped
bottom661 said:
Can you flash roms after knox has been tripped
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Yes
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