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[Q] Stock 4.3, KNOX and rooting

Alright, where to begin.
I've owned quite a few Samsung phones by now and I've rooted every single one of them and installed custom recovery and ROMs. But with KNOX on the S4 this has made me unsure...
What will happen to my device when I root it now? I figure it'll trigger the Knox flag to 0x1. What are the drawbacks of that? Will it affect the function of my device?
And is the rooting procedure done as usual with Odin like on the S3?
And maybe most of all, is it worth rooting the S4 and installing custom ROMs?
Many questions, but I haven't found any real answers to any of them...

Nothing will happen to your device when counter z 0×1
Drawback z you'll void ur warranty & youll not get official updates if u r on I9500.If ur on I9505 then triangle away can solve both problems.No function gets hampers until you really mess with ur phone but that's after root
Yes the procedure z same
Well if ur on I9500 then there r only customised stock version nothing much only debloated or deodexed.If ur on I9505 then definitely worth it
Sent from my GT-I9500 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Triangle away dont do much with the knox . Once trigger there is no way at the moment to reset this.

hjertis said:
Alright, where to begin.
I've owned quite a few Samsung phones by now and I've rooted every single one of them and installed custom recovery and ROMs. But with KNOX on the S4 this has made me unsure...
What will happen to my device when I root it now? I figure it'll trigger the Knox flag to 0x1. What are the drawbacks of that? Will it affect the function of my device?
And is the rooting procedure done as usual with Odin like on the S3?
And maybe most of all, is it worth rooting the S4 and installing custom ROMs?
Many questions, but I haven't found any real answers to any of them...
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What happens when you actually get Knox flagged to 0x1?
You basically lose the ability to install Knox softwares, and your device will be flagged as 'insecure', which means if your company allows employees to bring their own device to work for accessing corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security, your device will not allow this. However, you will still have the ability to use future samsung firmware releases even though you have the knox flagged.
How do you trigger Knox?
You still can root your phone with CFautoroot, but that will trigger knox to flagged to 0x1. If you try to downgrade your firmware, knox will also trigger to 0x1, therefore, once you upgrade to new bootloader, there is no way to go back to old bootloader without knox. (I would suggest if you do not want knox, but you want the new firmware, you've got to manually flash the modem.bin files using Odin)
Lastly, there is still a big question mark as to whether Samsung will actually service devices with knox 0x1

kenshi08 said:
What happens when you actually get Knox flagged to 0x1?
You basically lose the ability to install Knox softwares, and your device will be flagged as 'insecure', which means if your company allows employees to bring their own device to work for accessing corporate emails etc and they use knox to keep security, your device will not allow this. However, you will still have the ability to use future samsung firmware releases even though you have the knox flagged.
How do you trigger Knox?
You still can root your phone with CFautoroot, but that will trigger knox to flagged to 0x1. If you try to downgrade your firmware, knox will also trigger to 0x1, therefore, once you upgrade to new bootloader, there is no way to go back to old bootloader without knox. (I would suggest if you do not want knox, but you want the new firmware, you've got to manually flash the modem.bin files using Odin)
Lastly, there is still a big question mark as to whether Samsung will actually service devices with knox 0x1
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I agree with you except last words. Modem has nothing to do with knox... flashing a different modem version from rest of FW version (ROM and CSC) will probably give some data or voice problems, and he will still have the same android 4.2.2 version....
What I suggest if he wants last FW, is just flash it, root it, delete all knox files, assume he will have knox bit activated, and enjoy it.

[Q] Should I be afraid of KNOX?

Hello.
I know this might have been asked a million times already but I'm gonna ask anyway..
Should I be afriad of KNOX?
I would like to root, customize stock rom, try custom roms, flash CWM recovery & kernels etc.
but I heard and read that flashing, modifies KNOX which voids the phone's warranty but I would like to have my phone's warranty.
So should I try anything?
Is there any way to revert KNOX back to default?

KNOX doesn't carry a gun around, so no don't be afraid of it.
By rooting and doing all the things you mentioned above, you void the warranty of any phone dat has warranty on it. Samsung is only trying to protect themselves. So they don't fix more faults dat were caused by users... So, security for Samsung. And NO, it can't be reset. At least, not yet. However, there are ways to avoid tripping it. Do some research urself. I own Exynos Note 3. Cheers!

MariosFFX said:
Hello.
I know this might have been asked a million times already but I'm gonna ask anyway..
Should I be afriad of KNOX?
I would like to root, customize stock rom, try custom roms, flash CWM recovery & kernels etc.
but I heard and read that flashing, modifies KNOX which voids the phone's warranty but I would like to have my phone's warranty.
So should I try anything?
Is there any way to revert KNOX back to default?
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no way to revert KNOX back ,you can root knox save but you cant flash roms kernels or cwm

I'm not afraid and I love the freedom!
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk

jaythenut said:
no way to revert KNOX back ,you can root knox save but you cant flash roms kernels or cwm
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1 .Safely root using de la vega root without tripping KNOX
2. Safely custom rom using kn0x0ut Toolbox without tripping KNOX
Others will trigger knox :good:

You could get hit by a bus this week , Flash and enjoy the phone.
Same applies with life ( No flashing necessary )

Ry2mkk said:
Same applies with life ( No flashing necessary )
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Thgough theres danger involved there too if you do flash....:silly::laugh:

Well, I have previously rooted my phone without tripping the knox. I didn't flash any custom recovery, firmware or kernels, though.
Now, unrelated to knox, my phone started to behave strangely (reboot loops on charging and erratic signal reception) - some device problem I guess - , and since I have not tripped the knox, I'm going to take the phone to the service centre for a replacement, hopefully free of charge, since it's been only 2 months since I bought it.
Using an International SM-N9005.

I guess if some manufacturing defects cropped up, not related to the flashing of custom firmwares and so on, within the warranty period, and if the knox is tripped, it may be troublesome to replace/repair free of charge. That's the only downside I can see by tripping the knox within the warranty period.

[Q] Question about KNOX (god I hate it)

I have a N900W8 (Canadian Note 3) which is on 4.3 Jelly Bean.
It was rooted, tried to update to the OTA 4.4.2 and was denied with a "custom" error.
So I used SuperSU full unroot option, still custom system status, cannot upgrade.
I have downloaded 4.3 and 4.4.2 stock firmwares that correlate with my CSC from sam-mobile, my question:
If I use Odin 3.09 to install the 4.3 firmware again to get back to stock, will this trip Knox? Also I am assuming if it will not I would be ok to upload the 4.4.2 firmware directly after as well, via Odin 3.09?
Let me know if you can, really itching to do this, will not do it blindly however. Need an answer from another member before I go ahead.
I hate Knox so much, last Samsung phone for sure. Stuck with it now however, I had no idea about Knox, had I known I would have most likely kept the Nexus 5 I traded for this beast,

nexxusty said:
I have a N900W8 (Canadian Note 3) which is on 4.3 Jelly Bean.
It was rooted, tried to update to 4.4.2 and was denied with a "custom" error.
So I used SuperSU full unroot option, still custom system status, cannot upgrade.
I have downloaded 4.3 and 4.4.2 stock firmwares that correlate with my CSC from sam-mobile, my question:
If I use Odin 3.09 to install the 4.3 firmware again to get back to stock, will this trip Knox? Also I am assuming if it will not I would be ok to upload the 4.4.2 firmware directly after as well, via Odin 3.09?
Let me know if you can, really itching to do this, will not do it blindly however. Need an answer from another member before I go ahead.
I hate Knox so much, last Samsung phone for sure. Stuck with it now however, I had no idea about Knox, had I known I would have most likely kept the Nexus 5 I traded for this beast,
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knox will only trip if you root wrong ,so just flash 4.4.2 stock with odin and all will be fine

jaythenut said:
knox will only trip if you root wrong ,so just flash 4.4.2 stock with odin and all will be fine
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Well, Knox was not tripped when it was rooted.
The thing is, I did not root this phone. The person I bought it off did.
He did it right as it did not trip Knox.
Can I assume that since Knox was not tripped I can flash with Odin and still not trip it?
I appreciate the reply my friend.

nexxusty said:
Well, Knox was not tripped when it was rooted.
The thing is, I did not root this phone. The person I bought it off did.
He did it right as it did not trip Knox.
Can I assume that since Knox was not tripped I can flash with Odin and still not trip it?
I appreciate the reply my friend.
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Yes your be fine but you will loose root

nexxusty said:
Well, Knox was not tripped when it was rooted.
The thing is, I did not root this phone. The person I bought it off did.
He did it right as it did not trip Knox.
Can I assume that since Knox was not tripped I can flash with Odin and still not trip it?
I appreciate the reply my friend.
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Also, any idea how to reset the flash counter after flashing 4.4.2? Or will it be ok considering I only rooted?
Not sure on this either.

jaythenut said:
Yes your be fine but you will loose root
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NP losing root.
Thanks!

Just started flashing.
Hoping everything will be ok.

nexxusty said:
Just started flashing.
Hoping everything will be ok.
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No issues, back to Official status.
I actually have major flashlighting on the left side of my screen. Only visible with white is anywhere BUT the left side of the screen (Best way I can explain it). Anyone know if Samsung will repair this?
Not interested in defective hardware, it's obvious this Note 3 is a one off and needs a new screen. Hoping Samsung is not going to deny me.
Just need to pick up my replacement HTC One on my actual plan (Bought this one straight up, HTC One I had was lost, have insurance.).
REALLY would like to know about the flash counter before I send this off. It has been rooted with Root De La Whatever it is (LOL) then unrooted via SuperSU, then I Odin'd the 4.4.2 update. There was a checkbox ticked called "F.Reset Time", is that it?
I'll look a bit before making my own thread on this one if no has a quick answer.
Thanks again, XDA never lets me down.

[Q] Binary Counter

Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?

Arjoni said:
Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
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1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.

you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone

AIkizov said:
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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Yes absolutely a problem. I forgot to mention it. If any unofficial stuff is flashed then this knox pox is triggered.

Mandark52 said:
1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
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AIkizov said:
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...

Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.

Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.

Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours

andyjg247 said:
Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
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Mandark52 said:
First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
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AIkizov said:
I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
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i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you

Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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your warranty will void

AIkizov said:
your warranty will void
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so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-

Arjoni said:
so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
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have the ability to format, but the stock rom allows do not have permission to freely manipulate software - Void your warranty

Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.

Mandark52 said:
As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
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Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates

AIkizov said:
Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
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As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.

Mandark52 said:
As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
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now just talking about root that does not alter Recoverу

Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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If your warranty will be void depends strongly on in which country you live. There is no yes or no answer.

Flash anything but an official Samsung package through Odin and it will trigger the Knox flag and change the device status to Custom. OTA updates will stop.
Re flashing an official Samsung package afterwards will change the device back to Official and OTA updates will resume. But the Knox flag will still show as triggered. Theres no way to reset it.
Sent from my SM-T310

Root without tripping knox idea (will not work)

Hawke84 said:
Lots of work went I to finding a solution on S4 when knox first came out including by chainfire with no luck. Also since october people have been trying to root note 4 without tripping knox with no luck.
There is no difference in the system of tripped and not tripped. Soon as anything unsigned or insecure is flashed the bootloader burns the efuse
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As you can see my idea was a bust but here is the original op
Okay, Lets try this here because nobody seems interested in helping in the T-Mobile section.
ThePagel said:
Correct me if I am wrong here, the reason knox is being tripped by cf auto root is because of the way it acquirers root not because it is rooted. With that in mind I would Like to make a tar ball with a pre rooted system.img. To make sure it will have the best possibility to not trip knox and not cause a soft brick I want to use a system dump from a running phone that has only been rooted. I am pretty sure this has worked on every galaxy phone before the s6 and the only reason you don't hear more about it recently is because of the success of towelroot. I am getting this phone on the 1st (so excited) and would like root but want to try samsung pay more.
If you are willing to help I need the following:
Be on a 100% stock samsung bloated system with root (absolutely no tweaked systems I need pure stock with root)
Install supersu into /system (supersu settings)
Make a system.img dump with adb or terminal emulator and upload it for me (as long as you do not dump the data partition no personal data will be dumped)
At this point I will make the tarball and upload it and have the person who made the system dump flash the tarball. If he/she boots up fine I will the need a volunteer who has not rooted and verified that knox has not been tripped on his/her phone to flash it and see if knox still has its warranty. Obviously the volunteer should go into this not caring if knox gets tripped.
To make things completely clear I need the following:
Somebody who knows how to dump with adb/terminal emulator and already rooted
Somebody without a tripped knox warranty who doesn't care if it gets tripped
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As soon as you flash an unsigned image Knox is going to be tripped.

Lots of work went I to finding a solution on S4 when knox first came out including by chainfire with no luck. Also since october people have been trying to root note 4 without tripping knox with no luck.
There is no difference in the system of tripped and not tripped. Soon as anything unsigned or insecure is flashed the bootloader burns the efuse
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Drumrocker said:
As soon as you flash an unsigned image Knox is going to be tripped.
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^^^ This, unfortunately, ends the discussion altogether.

Drumrocker said:
As soon as you flash an unsigned image Knox is going to be tripped.
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Hawke84 said:
Lots of work went I to finding a solution on S4 when knox first came out including by chainfire with no luck. Also since october people have been trying to root note 4 without tripping knox with no luck.
There is no difference in the system of tripped and not tripped. Soon as anything unsigned or insecure is flashed the bootloader burns the efuse
Sent from my SM-G920F using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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CafeKampuchia said:
^^^ This, unfortunately, ends the discussion altogether.
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Indeed now I get closure, thank you.

So how does safestrap work?

lowspeed said:
So how does safestrap work?
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Doesn't matter in this instance because you need root to use safestrap. He is pretty open on how safestrap works if you look at his threads and website.

Sorry guys, which signature needs to be applied? I found a guide to sign Windows modded drivers, I don't know if this can be applied here, too...

The real trick is getting it signed. There might be no easy way to do that unless the key method can be replicated to make signed binaries. This could be a samsung proprietery tool. That said I did find an interesting nugget of info hxxp://galaxys4root.com/what-is-binary-counter/ in the comments section.
HI,
I flashed pre rooted firmware 4.2.2 using ODIN on my Samsung I-9500 4.2.2. Then the status is remain same
Binary : Samsung Official
System : Official.
Then I installed Wanam apk to modify the UI, It asked me to download Xposed framework I grant Super user permission. Once It completed I checked the status
Binary : Samsung Official
System : Custom.
I flashed stock firmware 4.2.2 and did the reset factory reset. Then it changed to
Binary : Samsung Official
System : Official.
My question, Is the hidden binary count or knox counter triggered or not ?
If I updated to stock 4.3 Is the Knox Warranty bit 0×0 or 0×1 ?
Please help me.
The rooted aspect only seems to be possible provided nothing in the UI itself is changed? There is a trigger file in the rom. Something that obviously a Wanam install triggers. All that seems to indicate that it might actually be possible to have a pre-rooted rom and install via recovery. But considering the phone model referenced, its possible this particular workaround has been plugged. On the off chance that it has not. It might be the only viable way to do root without tripping knox. I imagine the existing stock roms with root preloaded however trip knox (I saw no indication of that in posts but I did not dig that deep).
If anyone can answer that in the affirmative or negative it might be worth noting. Will knox get tripped on a stock (but pre-rooted) rom?

The point of this thread is to point out something we already know and have known for some time? WTF

shollywood said:
The point of this thread is to point out something we already know and have known for some time? WTF
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I don't think the OP was aware of all the information when he started the thread. I think the thread title has since been changed.
But yeah, i guess the thread could be closed.