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Stock vs custom

Hey guys, I am just looking for some opinions here. I keep on debating if I should just flash a stock Rom and keep it. For the first time in ages I feel like I have a device that's pretty much perfect out of the box, other than there being no stock browser lol...
I tried a couple of built from source ROMs, am on sr1 right now with matrix kernel. And while all of the additions custom ROMs provide are neat, I prefer stock feel more.
For some reason, to me, odexed stock ROM feels snappier than anything I've tried that's custom, and that's the only one that hulu app actually works on. I don't know if this is true, but I also seem to be getting much better data, I'm not sure if kernel has anything to do with connectivity, or ROM... But... Sr1 has few options to optimize data connectivity, which dont seem to actually help.
Anyways, some places I go my data would drop down to edge for awhile, or I would lose reception all together, is really random and
Odd because I know I've never had that issue before. I then reverted to stock, and issue went away.
Anyways, I guess my question is... Do all of the features and claims of better performance and network connectivity that are listed in many ROMs true? Or is stock odexed ROM is still going to be better when it comes to that? I don't mean to call devs liars or anything, I'm just curious as to compare your guys thoughts.
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A few hours ago I left stock for code fire sr1, its noticeably faster than stock imho. Its close to stock and has many features that make it better than stock overall. The battery drain so far is better than stock which is another plus btw. Also I don't have any network issues but I heard T-Mobile is rearming the towers so their service has been odd lately.
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I like both custom and the stock ROM. I used the stock ROM since I got the phone, but just recently switched to CM10.1. I like the added features CM10.1 brings. It just boils down to personal preference. More and more ROMs are going to start showing up, and when that happens you're decision on staying on the stock ROM might change.
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I prefer custom kernels. It brings more benefits (faster speed, better battery life, more stable in general, etc ..) with much less annoyance (well, you know, Nandroid backup, Titanium backup, SMS backup, flash ROM, restores all of the settings, etc.)
Flashing ROM is fun, and the added features is nice, but until ROMs are more stable, I won't jump on the band wagon.

Thanks guys!
Do kernels effect signal at all? When I ran sr1 with Franco kernel, I really liked the kernel, except for data being flaky, matrix one seemed to have been better with it. Am I totally crazy, or do kernels make a difference?
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air2k57 said:
Thanks guys!
Do kernels effect signal at all? When I ran sr1 with Franco kernel, I really liked the kernel, except for data being flaky, matrix one seemed to have been better with it. Am I totally crazy, or do kernels make a difference?
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Only WiFi signal. Kernels do not touch cellular data.

I'm using SR1 with Franco, it works beautifully with no signal issues.
Much faster than stock Odexed in my experience as well :good: It all depends on if you appreciate the added feature set or not. There is no setting or magic switch here that makes a rom instantly faster. It's all placebo with a little bit of theory and actual performance behind it.

I prefer stock ..I was using Task and Ktoonz ROM on my AT&T Galaxy S3 and there always was problems with bugs and the phone rebooting and not decent battery life..so that has me on edge with roms. But I tried using Nova Prime and then decided to delete that and try stock launcher and stock just feels smoother overall.
Only thing I don't like completely running stock is I can't delete the Google search widget and it takes up every home screen.
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Right now I'm stock, rooted with the franco kernel I rooted to try to improve battery life.
The stock rom is perfectly acceptable, but I'll probably end up loading a custom rom for small changes that I like on my device
like battery percentages in the status bar. Custom roms add nice little options like that which google doesn't provide with a stock rom.

ztmike said:
I prefer stock ..I was using Task and Ktoonz ROM on my AT&T Galaxy S3 and there always was problems with bugs and the phone rebooting and not decent battery life..so that has me on edge with roms. But I tried using Nova Prime and then decided to delete that and try stock launcher and stock just feels smoother overall.
Only thing I don't like completely running stock is I can't delete the Google search widget and it takes up every home screen.
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Why not get apex launcher, make it look like stock, but get rid of the bar. That's what I do .
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air2k57 said:
Why not get apex launcher, make it look like stock, but get rid of the bar. That's what I do .
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I tried using stock, lasted half a day when I got pissed that the Quick Settings open the menu rather than toggle and some small things like lack of AM/PM and no battery percentage and changing brightness with the status bar. Also the Quick Reply from CM is one my favorite features ever which is why I don't just mod stock.

Zappy24 said:
I tried using stock, lasted half a day when I got pissed that the Quick Settings open the menu rather than toggle and some small things like lack of AM/PM and no battery percentage and changing brightness with the status bar. Also the Quick Reply from CM is one my favorite features ever which is why I don't just mod stock.
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I really do like quick reply, toggles and stock browser that comes with custom ROMs. My problem is that I keep on jumping back and forth between stock and sr1, I have really odd data issues on sr1, don't get why...
Like even if I don't change any data settings at all, my data connection would still switch from 3g to hspa without issues, but it is way slow... Running speed test gets me about 200-300kbps in some areas, reboot fixes the issues right away. Now, running stock, I get about 4-7mbps in those exact same spots I have issues on sr1, I really do not understand what is causing this. The only thing I could think of is that T-Mobile APN on stock is a little different than what sr1 has?
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My Nexus 4 would bore me if I only used stock rom. The N4 is made for custom roms and kernels. And they offer so much more than stock. And isn't Android all about customising / tweaking? Maybe you wanna wait until a stable custom rom is out, but stock will not let you have as much fun.

Stock ROM vs PA

Hello guys.
Can any one tell me, who used long enough both stock rom and paranoid rom, simple comparison ? Im all into speed, battery life. Im not into hybrid ui (phablet, tablet and rest...)..
Is it worth flashing the PA ?
Thanks in advance

In terms of speed and battery life they're pretty much equal. The real beauty of PA is the features and how it makes using the phone much nicer (not to mention the calibrated screen).

Battery life is about the same, speed is a bit higher (as if the phone wasn't fast enough before) with bionic krait optimizations. Battery and speed have much more to do with the kernel as well as the rom so you might want to look into that. People just want to flash the best rom or best kernel but its down to personal preference meaning there isnt such a thing.

Laynee1 said:
Hello guys.
Can any one tell me, who used long enough both stock rom and paranoid rom, simple comparison ? Im all into speed, battery life. Im not into hybrid ui (phablet, tablet and rest...)..
Is it worth flashing the PA ?
Thanks in advance
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If you aren't into the hybrid settings then why flash pa? Might as well just flash cm or aokp rom instead. You will get plenty of features that way.
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You can always flash a kernel on stock and get most of the speed optimization.

newsiet serve
PA over Stock..
-Per App Customization at it's best.
-Per app colors for Navbar and Status bar is great.
-Per App full screen mode especially useful for games.
I could not find any difference in battery life and you always have option to change your kernel

I like the battery life that you get on stock, but the lack of features is what keeps me from running it. I don't like the standard toggles, no fast charge option and gamma control.
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I think flashing all the roms available for the N4 is worth it.
You can always install PA rom and run as it is. You don't have to use the hybrid mode and other customizations. It's optional.

I received my N4 back in December, ran stock for about a month and it was nice but featureless. I then flashed PA and did not like the UI, couldn't get used to it. So I was using BakedBean and loved the ROM, mainly because it is all blacked out. Speed and battery life were great on that ROM. Then about a month ago I flashed PA again and noticed how vibrant everything looked, then flashed their contrasty kernel and was amazed yet again by the colors. I learned more about PA and have been a loyal follower since the beginning of March. I first I just used it as is and then started using PIE and I will never go back to any other ROM, unless I am bored and just want to flash something but that usually lasts for less than 6 hours before I restore my PA nandroid. I am getting about 14 to 17 hours on battery and 2 to 3.5 hours of screen on time, which is perfect for me. As someone mentioned in a post above mine it really is up to you to decide what is best for you. Flashing ROM's is so easy that you can flash a few different ROM's and test them yourself.
Good luck :thumbup:

Thank you all for you answers. When i asked about this rom i was automatically thinking of flashing franco or other custom kernel.. I think ill give it a try with PA...
I hope that PA doesn't have any bugs ?

Laynee1 said:
Thank you all for you answers. When i asked about this rom i was automatically thinking of flashing franco or other custom kernel.. I think ill give it a try with PA...
I hope that PA doesn't have any bugs ?
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PA is actually a pretty solid rom. Shouldn't encounter any major bugs.
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Are you staying with Lollipop? or reverting back to Kitkat?

having tried both, I must say that I'm not very happy with Lollipop. I guess I just expected more with less bugs. The fact that I am unable to use Xposed is also a factor for me. I enjoy having the ease and convenience of being able to place the buttons where I want them and to use the tools that I want to use!
I switched over long enough to build a kernel with a Lollipop base. For those interested in the kernel, it has everything but the sound control of my other kernel.***Corrected*** It does now.
there is no doubt that Lollipop is really fast, but KitKat on my tablet is pretty blazing as well.
What do you think? What are your views?

Staying with lollipop. It's working fantastic. Great battery life.
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I have the GPE edition and have no intention of going back, but all I do is root, debloat, and install TWRP, although I have considered a custom kernel to get the knock-on function I love on my G3.
The only annoyance I have is when my tab is starting to go to sleep and I tap the screen to keep it awake and the screen very slowly fades-in. I think it should be instantaneous.

Had to revert back to Lollipop.
5 GHz Networks on my Wifi are not Visible. !!

Colchiro said:
I have the GPE edition and have no intention of going back, but all I do is root, debloat, and install TWRP, although I have considered a custom kernel to get the knock-on function I love on my G3.
The only annoyance I have is when my tab is starting to go to sleep and I tap the screen to keep it awake and the screen very slowly fades-in. I think it should be instantaneous.
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You can use the app in my kernel thread (third post) to enable knock on. Just knock on on lollipop. It is native to the device. No kernel change required. If you wish to install my kernel to try it out, just install in recovery. If you dont find it to work better, just restore from recovery. don't have swipe to sleep working yet. *** Correction*** Now it does, and knock on is enabled as default.

android.activate said:
Had to revert back to Lollipop.
5 GHz Networks on my Wifi are not Visible. !!
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You mean KitKat?

I understand OPs point but I think I'll give L a bit longer before I decide. I'm using cm12 and whilst it's fast, it's pretty ugly. Cm11 was still quick
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I'm sticking with Lollipop. Since picking up a Surface Pro 3, the GPE isn't my primary tablet device anymore. I like having at least one device with Lollipop on it so I can familiarize myself with the changes, and I definitely like how much smoother it is. Like everyone else, I miss Xposed, but everything is a trade-off. I understand why someone would stay on KitKat, though.

Was using your kernel on 4.4.4 on my GPe.
Upgraded to 5.0 and am going to stay on it - noticed an improvement in battery life (especially when idle)

gooseberry101 said:
Was using your kernel on 4.4.4 on my GPe.
Upgraded to 5.0 and am going to stay on it - noticed an improvement in battery life (especially when idle)
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Just updated the Lollipop kernel for every option the 4.4.4 kernel had, plus enabled Knock-On by default. - no more app needed.
Find the latest version, LollipopSleekai2 <HERE>
Recommend using the Interactive governer. Row scheduler enabled by default. Options for Fast Charge, Sound Control, Color Control, Sweep2Sleep, and many others, available through the Trickstermod App. init.d is also enabled by default, and both a Zip Align script and a Battery Saving script are available in the second post of my kernel thread. Regards,

sleekmason said:
Just updated the Lollipop kernel for every option the 4.4.4 kernel had, plus enabled Knock-On by default. - no more app needed.
Find the latest version, LollipopSleekai2 <HERE>
Recommend using the Interactive governer. Row scheduler enabled by default. Options for Fast Charge, Sound Control, Color Control, Sweep2Sleep, and many others, available through the Trickstermod App. init.d is also enabled by default, and both a Zip Align script and a Battery Saving script are available in the second post of my kernel thread. Regards,
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Cool, thanks mate. Will check it out.

sleekmason said:
You mean KitKat?
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Oops my bad.. I reverted back to KitKat, I could not find my 5 GHz networks on Wifi ( Tomato Router with WPA2 Security )

I'll be staying with Lollipop.... I didn't even bother to unlock the bootloader on my GPE since there wasn't much development (other than your kernel) going on. I'm liking have the same system on both my tablet and phone right now, running an EXP build of CM12 on my G2.

android.activate said:
Oops my bad.. I reverted back to KitKat, I could not find my 5 GHz networks on Wifi ( Tomato Router with WPA2 Security )
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I use a 5g network everyday. Stock 5.0 GPE.

Tried to stay with Lollipop and tried all different kernels and tweaks - reverting back to KitKat 444 as it is smooth and had so many more easy to config options (such as the simplicity of CM in general).
Frankly also I wasn't impressed by the so called simple, clean look of Lollipop using CM. Got to like the simple column layout of the CM444 and so am staying with CM12 Snapshot with Red kernel #11 and 442 base and the smoothness of 444 and NO errors to content with. May consider changing after all smooths out...but now, staying with a proven Rom.
Cal

I'm probably gonna revert back to KitKat. Lollipop looks great, but my gpad gpe is slower and battery is worse. I'll see how it is with sleekmasions kernel, but if it doesn't get better I'm going back .

kdog350 said:
I'm probably gonna revert back to KitKat. Lollipop looks great, but my gpad gpe is slower and battery is worse. I'll see how it is with sleekmasions kernel, but if it doesn't get better I'm going back .
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Use trickster to switch the governer to interactive. Should have interactive set as default soon, and hopefully gamma control as well. And yeah, even with all the work I'm doing on the lollipop kernel, KitKat was ironed out nicely. May still switch back when I've got the lollipop kernel under control. Also, somebody is working on cyanogenmod for the gpe, so that may solve things nicely if they can get it working

There is hope for a Lollipop mod to replace xposed! The legendary Paul posted his plan for the Nexus device's first and then hopefully expand it to others...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/google-nexus-5/development/modpack-mcr-modpack-nexus-5-r7-t3013285

Look's like xposed for lollypop...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58751037&postcount=37

galaxys said:
Look's like xposed for lollypop...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=58751037&postcount=37
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Jeez, right when I switched to CyanogenMod. Lol.

How is M so far and what differentiates the M ROMS?

Hey there
I'm about to flash a 6.0/M Rom on my Nexus 4 but first I'd like to hear from you how it is so far when it comes to battery life etc?
From what I've read everything seems to work?
Also there are quite a few roms already and I don't know what do load: Frank, Minimal OS, "Fake Nexus Rom"(?), Oneofakind?
Would any AOSP based Lollipop Kernel work? Oh and is there a M Rom that supports to use the volume rocker to change music? I guess Xposed isn't working yet?
Thanks in advance!

In this moment i am using Cataclysm ROM with HellsCore. Cataclysm works fine and it is very fast but sometimes there are some lags and whith HellsCore i have very battery life!! In this rom there is volume rocker and a lot of features... Sorry but i didn't try other M rom!

Thanks so far
I think you missed a word there. You have very ..battery life?

I've used Frank, Unofficial Chroma, Pure AOSP (I think this one is already dead) and Cataclysm . They all are based on AOSP with some added features, at this moment the one with more options/features by far is Cataclysm, Chroma have the menu of features but they are not implemented, just like 8 of them or something like that. Performance is good in all of them, most of the time just like lollipop, and yes there is some lag here an there from time to time but is not the end of the world. Battery life is something else, i am amused, im getting like an extra hour of SO and almost flat lines when not using the phone, i also have Greenify 2.7.1 installed, but i had it on Lollipop and Battery was meh, so it has to be Android M new battery management and stuff. Really Good battery life. Be aware, the is a AOSP bug related to the flashlight, if you turn on your torch from quick settings doesnt matter if you turn in off there is a wakelock that will keep your phone awake until your bateery drains or you fire up the flash with your camera or reboot. Is present in all ROMs at this time.
My current setup:
Cataclysm 11 Oct + 17 oct delta + 20Oct delta (In that Order, they are little zips you have to flash on top of the already installed rom, like an OTA of some sort).
HellsCore kernel b84-M (Has double tap to wake, youll need kernel adiutor to enable it and also tweak the kernel if you wish to - My kernel setup has no weird ****, it works out of the box, all stock, ondemand governor).
Extras:
Double Tap on Statusbar to Sleep Enabler for Android M MOD (Only for AOSP Roms)
New Adreno Drivers (October 2015)
I guess both will be added to roms eventually, but at the moment there not. Only Franks rom has the new adreno driver.
Sorry for my english.

Awesome that was detailed thank you! Hm the flashlight bug is bad .. I use it a lot. Maybe I will wait for a fix then

I'm thinking about trying http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-4/development/fake-nexus-rom-nexus-4-t3230268
It claims that torch bug is fixed and other bonuses like Camera can launch via double tap power key, adreno drivers, and aldy kernel.

That sounds pretty good as well. Btw are there any informations about xposed and Marshmallow? It took some time for Lollipop but maybe the differences now aren't as big?

rest0ck said:
Awesome that was detailed thank you! Hm the flashlight bug is bad .. I use it a lot. Maybe I will wait for a fix then
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Yesterday Cataclysm got a hotfix that solves that problem with the flashlight.
rest0ck said:
That sounds pretty good as well. Btw are there any informations about xposed and Marshmallow? It took some time for Lollipop but maybe the differences now aren't as big?
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This is the only info about xposed that we manage right now: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63188361&postcount=21

rest0ck said:
Thanks so far
I think you missed a word there. You have very ..battery life?
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Yes sorry....

Which Custom ROM are you using and why?

Hi All,
Since acquiring MXP back in Oct 2015, I have stayed away from rooting and flashing custom ROM (something which I did from day one on my Samsung Google Nexus) because I was more or less happy with the out of the box behavior.
But now MXP on Marshmellow has become kind of slow and ofcourse Nougat roadmap is still not clear (whether it will at all come in May).
So now I want to join the wagon.
So it would be immensely helpful if you can mention which custom ROM you are using as daily driver and why sticking to it?
My criteria is primarily smooth performance and decent battery (now it doesnt last 12 hours on full charge).
Thanks in advance
Roy

I tried almost every Nougat rom (Tesla, CM, RR, AOSiP, AOSP Extended) and finally been using AOSP Extended. I feel this is the most stable and smooth one out there. I use Greenify & GlassFish script and easily get over 30-40 hours on a single charge. I don't play any games on my phone, just some web browsing, music, whatsapp etc. It has almost all the customization available too.

Just like you I was sticking to stock
Now after the N delay, tested a few custom roms. From my experience, also in gaming, Aosip with Optimus Kernel and GlassfishCP-Optimus script have the best performance, does not overheat and has near stock battery life.
Instead of Greenify (that's behaving weird and sometimes causing wakelocks) I'd recommend Servicely.
Still not tested but also CypherOS should be worth a test run. It seems like the most stable and lighter rom on paper!

all nougat roms have camera bug,,d camera focus is not so good

using RR M v5.7.4 + coffee kernel v2.2 + xposed +SuperSU v2.79 +SonyMusicSSE ViPER 2505 DolbyAtmos Sony Beats +Busybox 1.26.2 +MusicFX Installer and AudioFX Remover +Moto g4 Camera v6.0.20.6.

rohitpaul9000 said:
all nougat roms have camera bug,,d camera focus is not so good
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You can install Moto cameras!

dev>null said:
You can install Moto cameras!
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tried all camera apps no luck. . u cn check yourself also

rohitpaul9000 said:
tried all camera apps no luck. . u cn check yourself also
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For me the camera focus works great on aosp extended.
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shrey. said:
I tried almost every Nougat rom (Tesla, CM, RR, AOSiP, AOSP Extended) and finally been using AOSP Extended. I feel this is the most stable and smooth one out there. I use Greenify & GlassFish script and easily get over 30-40 hours on a single charge. I don't play any games on my phone, just some web browsing, music, whatsapp etc. It has almost all the customization available too.
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using RR M v5.7.4 + coffee kernel v2.2 + xposed +SuperSU v2.79 +SonyMusicSSE ViPER 2505 DolbyAtmos Sony Beats +Busybox 1.26.2 +MusicFX Installer and AudioFX Remover +Moto g4 Camera v6.0.20.6.
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dev>null said:
Just like you I was sticking to stock
Now after the N delay, tested a few custom roms. From my experience, also in gaming, Aosip with Optimus Kernel and GlassfishCP-Optimus script have the best performance, does not overheat and has near stock battery life.
Instead of Greenify (that's behaving weird and sometimes causing wakelocks) I'd recommend Servicely.
Still not tested but also CypherOS should be worth a test run. It seems like the most stable and lighter rom on paper!
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K.khiladi said:
For me the camera focus works great on aosp extended.
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Thanks all for your replies - sorry for replying late here.
I have seen Moto G4 Plus camera and I am not too happy with its focus.
Is the same camera app used in Nougat roms as well?
I hope and guess the MXP moto camera app would still work - right?
Thanks again!

i am going to change my stock rom, which custom rom should i choose?

Hello all,
I have been using this ROM with Optimis r20 kernel and latest GlassfishCP script since last 4 days.
This is my first custom ROM in MXP, so I must congratulate the devs who have made this usable as daily driver.
Mostly has been running fine with two odd reboots from Recent screen.
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One odd observation-FB is unable to get updates, even within app when in mobile data mode. Works perfectly fine with Wifi. Otherwise mobile data works fine and other social apps work fine in mobile data mode. Any guidance if this makes sense, would help.
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This happened to me as well on almost all ROMs, in my case mms internet access point was setup instead of one which is required for internet, www to be exact for Vodafone India.
Try to switch it and you will be good to go. Alternate method is to remove proxy from access point.
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My one of the most important criteria was battery life which has not improved till now. I would still reserve my view on that as it's been only 4 days.
Camera focussing has also been same as before in stock MXP using stock Moto camera app(not g4).
Cheers
Roy.

I primarily use RR as my daily driver. Mainly because it has the most features out of all roms. I like having as much customization options as possible. Battery life is pretty good for me, and the rom is stable and performs quite well.
My second choice would be either AOSP Extended or AOSIP. Both have a lot features as well, and they're very smooth and have excellent battery life.
I don't use any mods or custom kernels.

rohitpaul9000 said:
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I don't see such an issue. Maybe you have some hardware issue or a scratched lens. What ROMs did you try?

Any one facing issue with quick charge? It stopped working on my phone

AOSCP because:
-Pixel style;
-Same battery life as stock;
-No bugs whatsoever

I'm on aokp rom since early January and it has been my daily driver ever since. No sudden reboot, no app crashes, everything works fine, bluetooth, gps, moto camera, google camera (I use it only for lens blur effect). maybe someday I'll try the aoscp or the aicp roms.