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Hi,
This is weird, hoping someone knows more about this then me?
First benchmark video I did ran around 19k
I ran it again just now after playing GTA VC on high settings with no frame limit for 1 hour and ran the test again and got 31k
Still playing GTA VC for another hour and ran it again, came in at 32k
I've upgraded it to the latest firmware, but not rooted it.
The unit is warmish, but not hot.
gwaldo said:
Hi,
This is weird, hoping someone knows more about this then me?
First benchmark video I did ran around 19k
I ran it again just now after playing GTA VC on high settings with no frame limit for 1 hour and ran the test again and got 31k
Still playing GTA VC for another hour and ran it again, came in at 32k
I've upgraded it to the latest firmware, but not rooted it.
The unit is warmish, but not hot.
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Mmm never trust benchmark they have never been a real source of information about how powerfull a tegra can be.
But yes cpu gpu work well when they hot less when cold or burned
gwaldo said:
Hi,
This is weird, hoping someone knows more about this then me?
First benchmark video I did ran around 19k
I ran it again just now after playing GTA VC on high settings with no frame limit for 1 hour and ran the test again and got 31k
Still playing GTA VC for another hour and ran it again, came in at 32k
I've upgraded it to the latest firmware, but not rooted it.
The unit is warmish, but not hot.
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That would run counter intuitive to everything I learned in EE315.
Domomojo said:
That would run counter intuitive to everything I learned in EE315.
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I would have thought the same, but after thinking about it @Dead-neM is right, it's as a mobile processor it makes some sense to have your GPU's being limited when running cool to save battery, it must have a thermostat like a car which opens up when warm :laugh:
I'm assuming the shield doesn't throttle it's T4 because it has a fan and ultimately why it performs better.
I don't think it runs very hot, but I have mine on it's side, so the heat just raises out of it.
@Mad Catz Nate @Mad Catz Rich
Any way to get throttling removed or by-passed?
The difference is noticeable on demanding games.
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I would have thought the same, but after thinking about it @Dead-neM is right, it's as a mobile processor it makes some sense to have your GPU's being limited when running cool to save battery, it must have a thermostat like a car which opens up when warm :laugh:
I'm assuming the shield doesn't throttle it's T4 because it has a fan and ultimately why it performs better.
I don't think it runs very hot, but I have mine on it's side, so the heat just raises out of it.
@Mad Catz Nate @Mad Catz Rich
Any way to get throttling removed or by-passed?
The difference is noticeable on demanding games.
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Yup Nvidia device stabilisation or tegra service should act like this too reduce hight temperature and yes with some app you can know the temperature of your cpu
There is 2 tegra 4 type if i'm right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
But they say that the mojo and shield have the same
gwaldo said:
Any way to get throttling removed or by-passed?
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If you're rooted, you can set the CPU governor to "performance". That'll fix the clock rate to the rate, you set as max.
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If you're rooted, you can set the CPU governor to "performance". That'll fix the clock rate to the rate, you set as max.
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Thanks, true.
But it shouldn't need rooting.. it's a console, it shouldn't be downgrading performance while it's being used.. ie games?
There's no battery, nobody is touching it, so if it runs a bit warm.. what's the big deal?
It's a built-in aspect of the Tegra SoC and is there to prevent it cooking itself. However, there's a massive heatsink in M.O.J.O. which prevents this from happening - in all our tests the SoC never gets near the temperature where it will start throttling performance. Bear in mind that those tests are run at an ambient temperature of 40 degrees centigrade so you're extremely unlikely to get to a point where it's being throttled, although Gwaldo is in Australia I believe and they've had some pretty roasting temperatures recently!
Shield has a slightly faster version of the T4 in it - hence clock speed of 1.9GHz against the 1.8GHz in M.O.J.O..
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It's a built-in aspect of the Tegra SoC and is there to prevent it cooking itself. However, there's a massive heatsink in M.O.J.O. which prevents this from happening - in all our tests the SoC never gets near the temperature where it will start throttling performance. Bear in mind that those tests are run at an ambient temperature of 40 degrees centigrade so you're extremely unlikely to get to a point where it's being throttled, although Gwaldo is in Australia I believe and they've had some pretty roasting temperatures recently!
Shield has a slightly faster version of the T4 in it - hence clock speed of 1.9GHz against the 1.8GHz in M.O.J.O..
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Hey MC Rich,
I think you miss read my 1st post.
I'm not talking about overheating, the MOJO's runs warm after hours of hammering hardcore AAA gaming out! :laugh:
The issue is that, from the test I have done (as shown on the first post), it's throated when cool/cold
ie do a benchmark on a cold start, then hammer it until it gets warm, then do another benchmark.
Antutu reported 19k on a cold start to 32k when warm
I would expect 32k from the cold start right?
I assume this is related to a battery/power saving feature in the kernel, which doesn't make sense because there's no battery :laugh:
PS: Melbourne ain't so hot :crying:
I'm not aware of any battery saving features for when the SoC is cold! That certainly wouldn't make any sense.
Can't replicate that here either - from cold we get the usual 31-32K.
Mad Catz Rich said:
I'm not aware of any battery saving features for when the SoC is cold! That certainly wouldn't make any sense.
Can't replicate that here either - from cold we get the usual 31-32K.
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Cool thanks,
Must be something I've changed in the setting or installed, I'll figure it out and post back.
gwaldo said:
Cool thanks,
Must be something I've changed in the setting or installed, I'll figure it out and post back.
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I've tried replicating the 19k result on cold, and it doesn't
Strange, only thing I can think is that I got the 19k on cold using the previous firmware.
Anyway.. all good:good:
The EUI is total crap! It just eats all the available RAM and kernel is not all optimized. I played game (Modern Combat 5) for like an hour. The first match went well and after 10 minutes the Big CPUs are shut down and only one Big CPU works and its frequency is limited to 1.3GHz. It makes the game lag so much. Completely disappointed how such powerful CPU is wasted!
Could anyone port CM from any other device with same chip set (like Samsung Galaxy A9). Also include custom kernel fully optimized to make use of power of this CPUs and GPU. I know it's a lot to ask for but I'm completely disappointed with the performance of this phone, knowing that it can do much better.
https://www.change.org/p/leeco-letv...ease-source-code-for-qualcomm-powered-devices
Sign this petition. So that Leeco is forced to release the kernel sources and be developer friendly.
Bezerk said:
https://www.change.org/p/leeco-letv...ease-source-code-for-qualcomm-powered-devices
Sign this petition. So that Leeco is forced to release the kernel sources and be developer friendly.
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Done :good:
I wish this device had a better GPU. More likely a custom Mali T880 MP8 or MP12. This phone is what Huawei calls their flagship phone. Only GPU has let it down. Mali T880 MP4 can't just handle everything so smoothly in full HD.
they are slowly getting better
What we need is proper kernel sources so there can be a custom kernel built with GPU improvements, governors and overclock. I just wont count on that any time soon for this phone..
JF-GINO said:
What we need is proper kernel sources so there can be a custom kernel built with GPU improvements, governors and overclock. I just wont count on that any time soon for this phone..
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Overclocking just doesn't help much. All the GPU power is needed for gaming. Overclocking causes heating which throttles down CPU freqs. And over clocking really doesn't help much other than first 10-15 minutes.
My suggestion was just that they should have added more GPU clusters. This GPU is found in low budget devices.
Alok Bajaj said:
Overclocking just doesn't help much. All the GPU power is needed for gaming. Overclocking causes heating which throttles down CPU freqs. And over clocking really doesn't help much other than first 10-15 minutes.
My suggestion was just that they should have added more GPU clusters. This GPU is found in low budget devices.
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Sorry, but for real gaming get a PC and even there U could use a Emulator for Android games
i actually disagree with this. this mali quad cluster is on par, if not better than adreno 510 found in what is pretty much considered the best bang for the buck cpu out there, snap 650/2. not only is 650 a upper midrange/flasghsip material SoC, it performs generally quite well and runs everything. kirin beats it's gpu, or at least matches it, and wipes the floor with it when it comes to cpu power. sure, gpu is not 530 or mali mp12, but then again we paid a midrange price and got a flagship phone. it's a compromise. despite that, it still runs everything ok so its an acceptable gpu. not rly sure you'd see a huge difference between this gpu and mp12 on s7 since one on s7 has to push double the pixels, so real difference should be 50ish% tops. most gpu benches run the screen @ 1080P and sure, in that case it beats our cluster, but that's not s7's native resolution is it.
in the end, imo its worth it since the entire package simply performs great. i've had my share of phones, and this lil monster simply kills it, even without a custom rom. its just that well optimized.
xontec said:
Sorry, but for real gaming get a PC and even there U could use a Emulator for Android games
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I have a PC and not all games work well with emulators. And it's completely a different experience. I can't put my pc in my pocket ?
sikica133 said:
i actually disagree with this. this mali quad cluster is on par, if not better than adreno 510 found in what is pretty much considered the best bang for the buck cpu out there, snap 650/2. not only is 650 a upper midrange/flasghsip material SoC, it performs generally quite well and runs everything. kirin beats it's gpu, or at least matches it, and wipes the floor with it when it comes to cpu power. sure, gpu is not 530 or mali mp12, but then again we paid a midrange price and got a flagship phone. it's a compromise. despite that, it still runs everything ok so its an acceptable gpu. not rly sure you'd see a huge difference between this gpu and mp12 on s7 since one on s7 has to push double the pixels, so real difference should be 50ish% tops. most gpu benches run the screen @ 1080P and sure, in that case it beats our cluster, but that's not s7's native resolution is it.
in the end, imo its worth it since the entire package simply performs great. i've had my share of phones, and this lil monster simply kills it, even without a custom rom. its just that well optimized.
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This is not a flagship GPU. Chinese phone generally offer more at this price. LeEco Le2 has this same GPU and costs ~⅓ of this phone's price. Xiaomi MI5 has an adreno 530 and it costs lesser than this phone. I would say a custom MP8 MALI GPU could have taken this phone to a different class. And yeah benchmark scores doesn't make any sense to me. They have just show some score based on 2 mins of testing. We can't conclude real life use with benchmark scores
xiaomi / letv phones might offer better specs for price, in china or india. there are some major issues when buying those, especially for ppl in europe/US. chinese brands are hard to come by, and even if you buy them for cheap/order from china you're pretty much stuck with a phone and no warranty. shipping to china is usually not worth considering the price. if you actually find a retailer that will sell lets say mi5 and provide a 2yr warranty, phone tends to cost a lot more than honor, at least thats the case where I'm at (EU). not to mention you can get honor8 for cheap when signing a contract. good luck doing that with chinese brands.
this is not a rant about chinese brands (myb rant bout xiaomi cause their open source policy is crap), i still use my rn3p and its been mostly satisfying esp. with CM13. however its been less then a year and it already started behaving badly. quality & control simply isnt on par. it was cheap sure, but it dies fast too, and there is no way for me to repair it. it is what it is, a compromise. cheap and you risk it, lil more expensive, but at least you're safe.
oh and in regards to mi5, unless you buy that premium version, phone is actually quite disappointing. build quality is meh, performance might be decent, but miui8 performs worse than EMUI so day to day usage is kinda pain. wish they did smth with that crapware os they ship. debloating is first step
I agree to what you say, but I won't include Mali T880 MP4 to a flagship hardware.
well you could say it's not flagship compared to the likes of snap820/1 / exynos, but it's the best huawei has to offer. for 1080p its acceptable. people that dont game really wont be able to tell a difference, for rest it just works. if you really look at kirin SoC's, even the gpu in 960 isnt top of the line. sure it kinda manages to narrow the gap with mentioned SoC's, but new ones are around the corner and kirin will again be worse in gpu department. this is standard for huawei honestly. same goes for mtk tho, yet mtk is widely popular (sure cheap price is the main reason) despite pretty crappy gpu. goes to show most ppl dont really need that top of the line gpu on board.
if hauwei was smart, they could've simply avoided this issue by releasing complete source. well built custom rom would be smth that most enthusiast would prefer over maxed out gpu. guess this wont happen tho xD
sikica133 said:
well you could say it's not flagship compared to the likes of snap820/1 / exynos, but it's the best huawei has to offer. for 1080p its acceptable. people that dont game really wont be able to tell a difference, for rest it just works. if you really look at kirin SoC's, even the gpu in 960 isnt top of the line. sure it kinda manages to narrow the gap with mentioned SoC's, but new ones are around the corner and kirin will again be worse in gpu department. this is standard for huawei honestly. same goes for mtk tho, yet mtk is widely popular (sure cheap price is the main reason) despite pretty crappy gpu. goes to show most ppl dont really need that top of the line gpu on board.
if hauwei was smart, they could've simply avoided this issue by releasing complete source. well built custom rom would be smth that most enthusiast would prefer over maxed out gpu. guess this wont happen tho xD
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Well Kirin 960 has a very good GPU. Far better than this one. But again it has only 8 clusters which is good as of now. The new smartphones which will be using Mali G71 will have 16 clusters I guess. Cause that GPU can be configured upto 32 clusters. And Mali G71 MP8 isn't bad at all. It's really powerful and it can keep most demanding games run smoothly more than a year or two. But Mali T880 MP4 can't, only vulkan can help a bit. And I heard vulkan is kinda outdated/broken here in Nougat update. That's a bad news.
Alok Bajaj said:
I wish this device had a better GPU. More likely a custom Mali T880 MP8 or MP12. This phone is what Huawei calls their flagship phone. Only GPU has let it down. Mali T880 MP4 can't just handle everything so smoothly in full HD.
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Let get this correct Huawei don't call this their flagship phone.
This is Honor flagship phone, which is a separate brand Huawei has been pushing for a few years now..
Nyssa1104 said:
Let get this correct Huawei don't call this their flagship phone.
This is Honor flagship phone, which is a separate brand Huawei has been pushing for a few years now..
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Okay. Whatever the brand is this is what they call their flagship phone. But it lacks some GPU power. I'm experiencing a very bad GPU performance on this phone. I've to enable ROG mode if I'm to play mc5 smoothly. And powering a HD display even my three year old tablet with Adreno 320 does a better job.
well, kirin 955 = 950 when it comes to gpu performance, so gpu debate stands for now ex flagship p9 which has pretty much same specs as honor8.
as far as performance goes 320 is deffo worse than mali880. in 99% cases adreno 510 is better than 320, so 880mp4 should be too. im guessing either bad optimizations from huawei or devs are the culprit.
Alok Bajaj said:
I have a PC and not all games work well with emulators. And it's completely a different experience. I can't put my pc in my pocket ?
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You can get a nividia shield cloned app and you can even Play gta5 on your Phone dont know whats your Problem. if you have LTE you can Stream every game to your Phone. By the way the real feeling of gaming is only on the PC
Sorry for being redundant, but this is not Huawei's flagship phone, it's a budget phone. If you want their flagship get the Mate 9. Or maybe the upcoming Honor V9. The 'Honor' brand to me is a (budget) offshoot similar to Oppo to OnePlus. It makes sense for them to use a word in their brand name that western people are actually able to pronounce.
If would help if EMUI5 has the 720p mode working, but currently it doesn't. I'm afraid to use Android ADB command to force it, because it most likely won't look correctly and sometimes soft brick phones that isn't running stock Android, which is a pain to setup the phone from scratch.
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You can nividia shield get a Clone app and you can even Play gta5 on your Phone dont know whats your Problem than if you have LTE you can Stream every game to your Phone. By the way the real feeling of gaming is only in the PC
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Nvidia shield isn't a phone ? I'd buy it if it's a phone.
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Nvidia shield isn't a phone ? I'd buy it if it's a phone.
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Yeah but you can get a App that simulates nividia shield on your phone sorry maybe i expressed myself wrong
So you can play on your phone like on shield
Oh it was weired english i edited the post sorry.
It was to early in the morning
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Yeah but you can get a App that simulates nividia shield on your phone sorry maybe i expressed myself wrong
So you can play on your phone like on shield
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There's something called liquid sky. But then I'll have sell my house paying the internet bills.
When I saw the topic of a beginner's guide to building a PC, I jumped for it because I remember building my first PC. It actually wasn't nearly as long ago as you'd think. I also remember how clueless I was. Obviously, I know about everything that goes inside of a computer, but once I was faced with the task of putting all of that together, I was like a deer in headlights.
PrerequisitesLet's start off with a list of everything that you're going to need:
CPU
Thermal paste
Motherboard
CPU cooler
Case
Power supply
RAM
Storage
GPU (optional unless you have an Intel F-series processor)
An operating system
And then, of course, don't forget about the necessary peripherals:
Monitor
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers
Webcam
External peripherals are beyond the scope of this post, but take note of what you need, keeping in mind that the PC you're building doesn't have the built-in parts of an all-in-one PC, like a microphone, speakers, and a webcam.
How to get started or: Pick a CPUFirst of all, and I cannot stress this enough, PCPartPicker is your friend. The site lets you plug in a list of parts that you're planning on using and it will tell you if there are any compatibility issues. It's super useful. In fact, even if you know that your parts should be good to go, run them through PCPartPicker anyway just to make sure.
The other key thing you need to do when getting started is to pick a CPU. This is an important first step because you're pretty much building out the PC around this choice. There aren't any motherboards that support both Intel and AMD CPUs.
Choosing between AMD and Intel (see, I didn't put the same company first twice in a row so you guys can't yell at me) is the first step. Once you do that, you can decide what kind of performance that you need. I wrote a guide to Intel CPUs and what the product names mean. With AMD, you have Ryzen 3, Ryzen 5, Ryzen 7, and Ryzen 9, and performance goes according to how high that number is. The same goes with Intel and the Core i3, Core i5, Core i7, and Core i9.
Intel has a bunch of different suffixes. If there isn't one, it's a standard 65W desktop processor, so something like a Core i5-11600 is pretty mainstream. Add a K and it's now a 125W processor that's unlocked for overclocking. And as mentioned above, an F means that it does not have integrated graphics, so you'll need a graphics card.
Pick a motherboard, or a case, or bothNext, you have to pick a motherboard and a case. I'm including both in this section because it's a matter of priorities. Do you want a case that fits your motherboard or a motherboard that fits your case? If you already know what case you want to use, start there and find motherboards that work. If not, start with a motherboard that has what you want.
First, let's cut your motherboard choices in half. If you're using AMD Ryzen, you need an AM4 socket. In you're using Intel 10th- or 11th-gen, you need an LGA 1200 socket. Note that with Intel, 12th-gen will use a new socket, so this is not upgradeable.
Next, you have to pick the size of your motherboard, and this is where compatibility with the case comes in. There's eATX, ATX, mATX, and mini-ITX, all in size order. This very much comes down to how big of a PC you want to build. Looking for something that's super-small and can hide behind your monitor? That's where mini-ITX comes in. Want something big and beefy that's going to have some serious power and thermals? Go for eATX.
When picking a case, it will tell you what size board it can fit. Obviously, the CPU, motherboard, and case choices go hand in hand.
Now that you've narrowed down your motherboard choices to the socket and the size, you're in good shape. It's time to start looking at ports, PCIe slots, and more. Make sure that you've got the ports to plug in what you need and the latest USB standard. Make sure you've got enough memory slots. A big one is the graphics card you want to use. Make sure there's room for it not only on the board, but in the case.
Pick a CPU cooler and thermal pasteNow, it's time to figure out how you're going to keep that CPU cool. Here's the bottom line. The more your CPU heats up, the worse the performance gets. The cooler you can keep it, the more it can sustain peak performance.
The first thing that you have to choose between is air cooling and liquid cooling, and there are pros and cons to each. Air coolers can be easier to install and more cost-effective, but if you want a good one, they take up a lot of space. Liquid cooling can be better if you plan on doing a lot of overclocking.
Personally, I'm a big fan of air coolers from Noctua. I use a Noctua NH-U12A, which is not only designed to be one of the best air coolers around, but it's quiet too.
So, after you decide if you want liquid or air cooling, you then have to looking at how cool it keeps the CPU and also how much noise it makes. That noise is important.
Then there's the thermal paste, which sits between the CPU and the CPU cooler. The more evenly it's applied, the better the cooling. Many CPU coolers, like the one I mentioned above from Noctua, come with thermal paste. You can always shop around though. A tube of thermal paste costs under $10, so using the best one there is should be an easy way to keep your CPU cool.
Pick a power supply and a GPUAs you can see, a lot of these parts go hand in hand. In fact, once you've put this all together, you'll find that they all go hand in hand. But we can't talk about the power supply without picking a GPU.
Picking a GPU is optional. Like I said, you might want a simple productivity machine with a Core i5 and integrated graphics. You also might want a gaming rig with an NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090. And then there's everything in-between.
With that in mind, you need to pick a power supply. This is an area that you'd definitely be well-off to use PCPartPicker for. It will tell you the wattage of all of the parts you've picked so far, and then tell you if there are any compatibility issues with you pick a power supply. I'd suggest picking one with plenty of wattage to spare so you can upgrade down the line.
Another thing is that you should definitely get a modular PSU (power supply unit). That means that the power cables aren't attached to the PSU itself. You can add cables as you need to, and since you're a builder now, you're probably going to need to at some point.
The other thing that's important is efficiency. You'll see an 80 PLUS rating that can be Bronze, Silver, Gold, Platinum, or Titanium. This is important, because it's based on how much power is lost due to heat.
RAM, storage, and OSIf you've made it this far, you're in good shape. This is the easy part.
With RAM, you want more, and you want faster. It's that simple. You can also look up how fast of memory your CPU supports and go for that. The same goes for storage. An M.2 SSD is the way to go if you can, but there are also SATA SSDs. You can get an HDD if you're on a really tight budget, but I don't recommend it.
As far as the OS goes, it's between Windows and Linux. Windows costs money; Linux doesn't. I'm not really here to tell you which one you should go for.
Putting it all togetherAlright, you've got all of your parts and you're ready to build your dream PC! It's the second-most exciting feeling behind the first boot.
Most of this is going to be about plugging things in where they fit, but sadly, it's not that simple. You need to start working through the manuals that came with your motherboard and your case. Those are going to tell you exactly what to plug in where, and most of it is fairly straightforward. There are few things that will actually break if you do them wrong.
The one thing that will break if you do it wrong is installing the CPU in the motherboard. It's important not to apply any unnecessary pressure when doing this because you could bend the pins on the chip or the board (depending on who made the CPU). Damage one of those and you've got some very expensive paperweights very quickly. To be clear, there's nothing to be afraid of here and it's very easy to do. Practice some healthy caution and you'll be fine.
Installing the motherboard in the case is something you'll need to follow instructions to do, which is fine, as it's easy enough. Once it's screwed into place, there will be several cables in the case that have to plug into the board. These will be for fans built into the case, for additional USB ports, and so on.
The other thing you'll have to install in the case is the PSU. Read the instructions and make sure the fan in the PSU is facing the right way. This is not something that you want to do incorrectly. There are a few cables to plug into the case and the board. Once the GPU is installed, you'll have to plug that in too.
Next, you'll probably be installing the CPU cooler. Make sure to apply thermal paste before you do. A pea-sized dot right in the middle of the CPU will do it. Do your best to bring the cooler directly down on the CPU, rather than doing it from an angle. This will spread it evenly across the chip.
Obviously, the graphics card, the storage, and RAM can fit into their respective slot. Note that for most boards, if you have four RAM slots and you only have two RAM sticks, you're better off separating them by one slot for dual-channel memory.
Once that's all done, you should be ready to plug it in and boot it up. You might not want to close the case on first-run, so you can make sure all of the fans are spinning. You can plug your USB drive with the OS into a USB port and boot into it to install the operating system.
Something went wrong!Well, you've made it this far and now something doesn't work. Isn't that always the way it goes?
The most common problem is probably that you pressed the power button and nothing happened. After all, if the thing that went wrong is that you broke something, you should just buy a new one.
If it's not booting, now it's time to start checking cables. Make sure that everything is plugged in securely, particularly the CPU cooler. Make sure that the PSU cables are plugged in at both ends. If there were any steps you weren't sure about, such as if you plugged something in in the right spot, revisit it.
If you just can't figure it out, come back here and ask for help.
Question @therichwoods --- I'm an extremely heavy user of Chrome. I'm talking dozens of tabs open at all times in multiple windows. I assume I'm going to want to maximize my RAM to take full advantage? Or is CPU/GPU also important in my case?
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Question @therichwoods --- I'm an extremely heavy user of Chrome. I'm talking dozens of tabs open at all times in multiple windows. I assume I'm going to want to maximize my RAM to take full advantage? Or is CPU/GPU also important in my case?
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TBH CPU is always important. But RAM should definitely be a priority.
Hi
Just upgraded my complete system from an AMD FX8350 with 32gb Ram to a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb ram. Currently using my old HD7870 Graphics cards in Crossfire but as these are now nine years old am looking to upgrade to a more recent card(s) bearing in mind that I am a pensioner and it has taken me a year to gather new, system, what would you recommend in Graphics cards for this build.
Motherboard is an MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max, Ram is Corsair DDR4 2666 4x8Gb. TIA
Stransky said:
Hi
Just upgraded my complete system from an AMD FX8350 with 32gb Ram to a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb ram. Currently using my old HD7870 Graphics cards in Crossfire but as these are now nine years old am looking to upgrade to a more recent card(s) bearing in mind that I am a pensioner and it has taken me a year to gather new, system, what would you recommend in Graphics cards for this build.
Motherboard is an MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max, Ram is Corsair DDR4 2666 4x8Gb. TIA
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That really depends what you want to do with your graphics card. Looking for a GTX1060/1660 might be a good idea, I had the latter one and you can play a lot of recent games in high settings with your ryzen.
Keep in mind buying a graphics card nowadays is REALLY expensive, even used ones, when you can get one. New ones are sold over the recommended manufacturer prices due to the mining scene and Corona!
Stransky said:
Hi
Just upgraded my complete system from an AMD FX8350 with 32gb Ram to a Ryzen 5 3600 with 32gb ram. Currently using my old HD7870 Graphics cards in Crossfire but as these are now nine years old am looking to upgrade to a more recent card(s) bearing in mind that I am a pensioner and it has taken me a year to gather new, system, what would you recommend in Graphics cards for this build.
Motherboard is an MSI B450 Gaming Plus Max, Ram is Corsair DDR4 2666 4x8Gb. TIA
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You should've opted for ram with xmp since ryzen benefit the most from faster ram. I'm currently using aorus 3200mhz 2x8gb kit with xmp enabled and it's better compared to it's stock settings.
Insanenity said:
You should've opted for ram with xmp since ryzen benefit the most from faster ram. I'm currently using aorus 3200mhz 2x8gb kit with xmp enabled and it's better compared to it's stock settings.
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What's XMP?
svetius said:
What's XMP?
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XMP (Extreme Memory Profiles) is a technology that allows you to change memory settings by selecting a different profile, which takes advantage of higher than standard memory speeds. Simply stated, XMP is the "easy button" of RAM overclocking, as manual RAM overclocking can be an unnecessary headache!
svetius said:
What's XMP?
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RAM over 2400Mhz is overclocked. X.M.P is just a system to overclock your ram. It's standard now. Personally I wouldn't bother with anything over 3600Mhz as it gets too pricey for the performance. Go no lower than 2666, try for 3200 (this tends to be the cheaper one anyways). I believe you will need to enable X.M.P in your uefi when you install it otherwise you'll just be running 2400. Like Insanenity said, it's just a 1 click setup so there's no fuss.
If you're not focused on gaming; while 16GB is fine, if you find a 32GB kit in your budget than definitely get it. Get a fair CPU with over 6 cores. (so ryzen).
LTT just did a video on something that might interest you.
This could be a good option for your productivity build as it's bang for buck. But if you have the budget for R7 5000's than just go for that.
Tldr: Chrome is a ram and cpu whore, use firefox...
I'm kidding, invest in CPU and RAM more than others if chrome is your concern.
p.s. Feel free to ask questions
strongst said:
That really depends what you want to do with your graphics card. Looking for a GTX1060/1660 might be a good idea, I had the latter one and you can play a lot of recent games in high settings with your ryzen.
Keep in mind buying a graphics card nowadays is REALLY expensive, even used ones, when you can get one. New ones are sold over the recommended manufacturer prices due to the mining scene and Corona!
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Thanks for the reply. Will just have to hang on to Current cards and hope prices drop in the near future on the GTX 1060/1660 cards. Too expensive for me ATM even second hand
Stransky said:
Thanks for the reply. Will just have to hang on to Current cards and hope prices drop in the near future on the GTX 1060/1660 cards. Too expensive for me ATM even second hand
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Yeah, unfortunately the prices are beyond the reality... If the bitcoin hype decreases, there might be a chance back to reality
strongst said:
Yeah, unfortunately the prices are beyond the reality... If the bitcoin hype decreases, there might be a chance back to reality
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I just caught a news story headline that 30-Series cards will be available in stores, soon at reasonable prices soon - as BTC drops below 30K this morning....
HipKat said:
I just caught a news story headline that 30-Series cards will be available in stores, soon at reasonable prices soon - as BTC drops below 30K this morning....
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Luckily I got my 3060TI in 2020 for a low price, now it costs 50-80% more
strongst said:
Luckily I got my 3060TI in 2020 for a low price, now it costs 50-80% more
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I looked and Best Buy has it for $399. Less than I paid for my 1080 2 years ago
HipKat said:
I looked and Best Buy has it for $399. Less than I paid for my 1080 2 years ago
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In stock for 399? Surely out of stock, otherwise it must be a mistake Sounds like the MSRP for the Founders Edition.
strongst said:
In stock for 399? Surely out of stock, otherwise it must be a mistake Sounds like the MSRP for the Founders Edition.
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I'll go look again when I get a break, but I'm pretty sure you're correct about it being the founders edition
I've built many PCs but haven't built a new one since 2014 when I built this rig I'm still using daily since I built it. Nothing extra special, just solid and still viable today but will soon reach the end of its viability.
Motherboard: Asrock Z97 Extreme 4
CPU: [email protected](can go to 4.8/4.9 but tricky to cool at 4.9), air-cooled
RAM: 32GB(4x8) Gskill 1866mhz
Graphics: ASUS ROG Strix RX570 OC 4GB
PSU: EVGA Supernova 750W bronze
Storage: 1TB SSD
I also still have enough parts laying around to build 9 more or so, various cases, PSU's ranging from 450W-750w(Antec, Corsair, EVGA, etc..), some classic LGA775/P45 chipset boards that were overclocking beasts in their day(Gigabyte UD3P, ASUS P45 Pro/P45 Pro turbo and some other P45 ASUS boards that have been pencil modded) modded with the LGA775 to LGA771 mod to run LGA 771 Xeon CPUs at extreme overclock, some LGA1150 boards and CPUs including G3258 at extreme overclock. All of them still work even running Windows 10 and still perform well as long as it isn't high/heavy labor intensive activity. I still enjoy hardware modding rigs, using what wouldn't "normally" be used together, there is just something about making things do things they "shouldn't".
I'm more of a "build something I can jack to the sky and tweak the hell out of" than I am a gamer or PC junky that always gets the latest and greatest every time something is released. Functional and moderately high performance, no bells and whistles.
I've been chomping at the bit to put a Ryzen build together for about two years now, even though I can't say that I've ever been an AMD fan.
I still have my 4790 but it's just a Laptop. It is a Lenovo so it's got great parts. We play all the games we want on it with no problems ftmp. It is great to own.
Droidriven said:
I've built many PCs but haven't built a new one since 2014 when I built this rig I'm still using daily since I built it. Nothing extra special, just solid and still viable today but will soon reach the end of its viability.
Motherboard: Asrock Z97 Extreme 4
CPU: [email protected](can go to 4.8/4.9 but tricky to cool at 4.9), air-cooled
RAM: 32GB(4x8) Gskill 1866mhz
Graphics: ASUS ROG Strix RX570 OC 4GB
PSU: EVGA Supernova 750W bronze
Storage: 1TB SSD
I also still have enough parts laying around to build 9 more or so, various cases, PSU's ranging from 450W-750w(Antec, Corsair, EVGA, etc..), some classic LGA775/P45 chipset boards that were overclocking beasts in their day(Gigabyte UD3P, ASUS P45 Pro/P45 Pro turbo and some other P45 ASUS boards that have been pencil modded) modded with the LGA775 to LGA771 mod to run LGA 771 Xeon CPUs at extreme overclock, some LGA1150 boards and CPUs including G3258 at extreme overclock. All of them still work even running Windows 10 and still perform well as long as it isn't high/heavy labor intensive activity. I still enjoy hardware modding rigs, using what wouldn't "normally" be used together, there is just something about making things do things they "shouldn't".
I'm more of a "build something I can jack to the sky and tweak the hell out of" than I am a gamer or PC junky that always gets the latest and greatest every time something is released. Functional and moderately high performance, no bells and whistles.
I've been chomping at the bit to put a Ryzen build together for about two years now, even though I can't say that I've ever been an AMD fan.
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Totally depend on usage and requirement. If it fulfills your requirements then there is no need to build a new one. Personally used this core i7-4790k. it's an amazing chip in performance.