Hi,
This is weird, hoping someone knows more about this then me?
First benchmark video I did ran around 19k
I ran it again just now after playing GTA VC on high settings with no frame limit for 1 hour and ran the test again and got 31k
Still playing GTA VC for another hour and ran it again, came in at 32k
I've upgraded it to the latest firmware, but not rooted it.
The unit is warmish, but not hot.
gwaldo said:
Hi,
This is weird, hoping someone knows more about this then me?
First benchmark video I did ran around 19k
I ran it again just now after playing GTA VC on high settings with no frame limit for 1 hour and ran the test again and got 31k
Still playing GTA VC for another hour and ran it again, came in at 32k
I've upgraded it to the latest firmware, but not rooted it.
The unit is warmish, but not hot.
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Mmm never trust benchmark they have never been a real source of information about how powerfull a tegra can be.
But yes cpu gpu work well when they hot less when cold or burned
gwaldo said:
Hi,
This is weird, hoping someone knows more about this then me?
First benchmark video I did ran around 19k
I ran it again just now after playing GTA VC on high settings with no frame limit for 1 hour and ran the test again and got 31k
Still playing GTA VC for another hour and ran it again, came in at 32k
I've upgraded it to the latest firmware, but not rooted it.
The unit is warmish, but not hot.
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That would run counter intuitive to everything I learned in EE315.
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That would run counter intuitive to everything I learned in EE315.
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I would have thought the same, but after thinking about it @Dead-neM is right, it's as a mobile processor it makes some sense to have your GPU's being limited when running cool to save battery, it must have a thermostat like a car which opens up when warm :laugh:
I'm assuming the shield doesn't throttle it's T4 because it has a fan and ultimately why it performs better.
I don't think it runs very hot, but I have mine on it's side, so the heat just raises out of it.
@Mad Catz Nate @Mad Catz Rich
Any way to get throttling removed or by-passed?
The difference is noticeable on demanding games.
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I would have thought the same, but after thinking about it @Dead-neM is right, it's as a mobile processor it makes some sense to have your GPU's being limited when running cool to save battery, it must have a thermostat like a car which opens up when warm :laugh:
I'm assuming the shield doesn't throttle it's T4 because it has a fan and ultimately why it performs better.
I don't think it runs very hot, but I have mine on it's side, so the heat just raises out of it.
@Mad Catz Nate @Mad Catz Rich
Any way to get throttling removed or by-passed?
The difference is noticeable on demanding games.
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Yup Nvidia device stabilisation or tegra service should act like this too reduce hight temperature and yes with some app you can know the temperature of your cpu
There is 2 tegra 4 type if i'm right http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra
But they say that the mojo and shield have the same
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Any way to get throttling removed or by-passed?
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If you're rooted, you can set the CPU governor to "performance". That'll fix the clock rate to the rate, you set as max.
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If you're rooted, you can set the CPU governor to "performance". That'll fix the clock rate to the rate, you set as max.
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Thanks, true.
But it shouldn't need rooting.. it's a console, it shouldn't be downgrading performance while it's being used.. ie games?
There's no battery, nobody is touching it, so if it runs a bit warm.. what's the big deal?
It's a built-in aspect of the Tegra SoC and is there to prevent it cooking itself. However, there's a massive heatsink in M.O.J.O. which prevents this from happening - in all our tests the SoC never gets near the temperature where it will start throttling performance. Bear in mind that those tests are run at an ambient temperature of 40 degrees centigrade so you're extremely unlikely to get to a point where it's being throttled, although Gwaldo is in Australia I believe and they've had some pretty roasting temperatures recently!
Shield has a slightly faster version of the T4 in it - hence clock speed of 1.9GHz against the 1.8GHz in M.O.J.O..
Mad Catz Rich said:
It's a built-in aspect of the Tegra SoC and is there to prevent it cooking itself. However, there's a massive heatsink in M.O.J.O. which prevents this from happening - in all our tests the SoC never gets near the temperature where it will start throttling performance. Bear in mind that those tests are run at an ambient temperature of 40 degrees centigrade so you're extremely unlikely to get to a point where it's being throttled, although Gwaldo is in Australia I believe and they've had some pretty roasting temperatures recently!
Shield has a slightly faster version of the T4 in it - hence clock speed of 1.9GHz against the 1.8GHz in M.O.J.O..
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Hey MC Rich,
I think you miss read my 1st post.
I'm not talking about overheating, the MOJO's runs warm after hours of hammering hardcore AAA gaming out! :laugh:
The issue is that, from the test I have done (as shown on the first post), it's throated when cool/cold
ie do a benchmark on a cold start, then hammer it until it gets warm, then do another benchmark.
Antutu reported 19k on a cold start to 32k when warm
I would expect 32k from the cold start right?
I assume this is related to a battery/power saving feature in the kernel, which doesn't make sense because there's no battery :laugh:
PS: Melbourne ain't so hot :crying:
I'm not aware of any battery saving features for when the SoC is cold! That certainly wouldn't make any sense.
Can't replicate that here either - from cold we get the usual 31-32K.
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I'm not aware of any battery saving features for when the SoC is cold! That certainly wouldn't make any sense.
Can't replicate that here either - from cold we get the usual 31-32K.
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Cool thanks,
Must be something I've changed in the setting or installed, I'll figure it out and post back.
gwaldo said:
Cool thanks,
Must be something I've changed in the setting or installed, I'll figure it out and post back.
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I've tried replicating the 19k result on cold, and it doesn't
Strange, only thing I can think is that I got the 19k on cold using the previous firmware.
Anyway.. all good:good:
Related
So I thought I was running into a driver issue while working on my ROM, but I now believe it is the Snapdragon downclocking itself (presumably to save power). I would be happy if I was wrong.
If you use Windows Default home screen (Titanium) instead of LG Idles or what ever, you may notice that the Snapdragon processor provides exceptionally fluid animation when using the up/down controls to cycle between the list.
If you don't see it, try turning your device off for a second and then back on, then try moving up and down. Ahhh, beautiful isn't it?
If your device is plugged in, it should stay this way. If your device is running on battery, then within 10 to 15 seconds of turning on you will see the fluid animation stops and instead you get clunky animation similar to all the other 500 Mhz devices out there.
Initially, I thought it was something in my ROM. After trying a bunch of things I loaded up the stock IQ ROM to confirm if the issue existed there. At the time I was plugged in so I thought it didn't exist. Later on at home (running on battery) I noticed the issue again with the stock ROM. Anyway, I realized it was behaving like the CPU was downclocking. I plugged it in, turned it off and back on again and voilà, smooth animation that didn't stop after 10 to 15 seconds.
I suppose if we had manual control of the CPU speed we could avoid this issue, but the battery would probably be hit pretty hard.
Just for fun, I ran a quick test using a hardware accelerated version of CorePlayer. On AC, I get close to 400% playback speed while benchmarking a VGA DivX video. On battery, 127%.
I'm thinking of posting a question about this in the HD2, TG01 and newTouch forums to see if they experience the same thing. It is possible that different drivers handle CPU scaling differently.
I guess I should have looked before I posted. Apparently, Titanium is not resource intensive enough to cause the CPU to run at full speed. It will run at full speed while on AC, but clocks down 128 or 256 MHz while idling on battery.
Using LeoCpuSpeed I locked the CPU at 1 GHz and confirmed that it was the CPU auto scaling and that turning off auto scaling restores full performance, but at the cost of battery life and heat.
Wow this is very interesting. Im gonna have to play around with the LeoCpuSpeed app. I was aware the cpu usage throttled itself but had never noticed a negative effect before, great find imo.
I was also surprised that the CPU runs at a lower speed while running CorePlayer. I suppose you don't want to run the battery down too fast while watching a movie, but there must be a balance to prevent dropped frames.
I tested a 480p mkv trailer of Iron Man 2 using CorePlayer. At 1 GHz, I had 60 dropped frames. On battery with scaling enabled, over 500 dropped frames. That pretty bad for a 2 minute clip (24 fps).
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I was also surprised that the CPU runs at a lower speed while running CorePlayer. I suppose you don't want to run the battery down too fast while watching a movie, but there must be a balance to prevent dropped frames.
I tested a 480p mkv trailer of Iron Man 2 using CorePlayer. At 1 GHz, I had 60 dropped frames. On battery with scaling enabled, over 500 dropped frames. That pretty bad for a 2 minute clip (24 fps).
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im going to ask netripper to to make a new app that if a certain app is running(aka coreplayer) that it forces the cpu up...
have you seen the leo / hd2 cpu control app it works on the expo.
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have you seen the leo / hd2 cpu control app it works on the expo.
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it does, i also talked to NetRipper(the guy who's writing it) about adding some cool features to it. While he liked the ideas, idk if he has done anything with them yet.
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have you seen the leo / hd2 cpu control app it works on the expo.
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Indeed it does.
I mention testing with it in my second post above.
No matter how i try i usually get 12k on AnTuTu
my highest was 14k
Im lower than HoX and in the chart Nexus 4 shows 18k...
Anyone knows why mine is that much lower?
Is this a defect or what?
Some guy says ignore it benchmarks mean nothing but its not like im just a little bit lower...
It is 4-6k difference :S
Isn't that strange considering other people with the same device score 18k?
ruzkay said:
No matter how i try i usually get 12k on AnTuTu
my highest was 14k
Im lower than HoX and in the chart Nexus 4 shows 18k...
Anyone knows why mine is that much lower?
Is this a defect or what?
Some guy says ignore it benchmarks mean nothing but its not like im just a little bit lower...
It is 4-6k difference :S
Isn't that strange considering other people with the same device score 18k?
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Is your phone laging, running slower other then the benchmarks? Also we need more info like what kernel/rom are you running.
What ROM/kernel are you running, what temperature was your phone at? Is there any apps running in background?
If a freshly installed stock ROM, with only AnTuTu installed, and you score 30% less than other Nexus 4 in benchmarking, then yes, there is a reason to worry about
Edit: for the record, I tried AnTuTu when I just got my N4, and always scored lower than their reference N4.
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I tried on these setups:
Stock with stock kernel
Stock with faux kernel
AOKP with included kernel
i just tried again with a fresh install of stock and scored 14,5k
well its still 3,5k difference what can I do about that any idea?
edit: basically what im worried about is that the only scores i see around my score are people with severely underclocked devices (600 MHz, 700 MHz)
seems like im the only one :S
Benchmarks mean nothing. Don't bother looking at them.
zephiK said:
Benchmarks mean nothing. Don't bother looking at them.
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if they dont mean anything then why do they exist?
I'm not worried about scoring low, I'm worried about scoring considerably lower than the exact same device.
There must somehow be a reason for it I guess?
Meh nvm I'm just sad that mine is possibly the weakest Nexus 4 on the planet get only 18 fps in that lighning 3d test with the 2 characters fighting...
e: please close this thread it was a stupid question to ask I guess I'm sorry
OP:
I am sorry to hear your frustration. Did you check your CPU binning yet? I can't recall how my phone perform on the AnTuTu test, but maybe you can try to measure fps when you play *actual* game?
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Benchmarks mean nothing. Don't bother looking at them.
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Even Chainfire makes benchmark app. I would love to see how you tell Chainfire that his app means nothing. That would make a really interesting conversation with lots of good stuffs to learn
From my point of view, benchmark does not tell real world performance, however it is a wildly used, totally valid tool to compare *hardware* performance. After all, benchmarking (or hardware profilling, to be precise) is what separate a 1.2GHz CPU from a 1.5GHz CPU of identical architecture, isn't it? I'll take the 1.5GHz one even if it means nothing from your point of view
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I always get around mid to high 17k, sometimes 18... bone stock... Your situation is interesting to say the least...
I see the note II with 24k despite the fact it has quad A9s... This is why you should ignore the benchmarks.
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Sounds like you may be thermal throttling. As a test, out your phone in a zip lock bag in the freezer for 10 minutes and then repeat the benchmark.
mattb3 said:
Sounds like you may be thermal throttling. As a test, out your phone in a zip lock bag in the freezer for 10 minutes and then repeat the benchmark.
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wow i knew of thermal throttling but didn't think it kicks in in only 1 benchmark!
yes thats it! i tried the benchmark while putting the phone on a very cool surface (glass desk)
and it scored 17k the 1k difference left is redundant i think^^
KyraOfFire said:
OP:
I am sorry to hear your frustration. Did you check your CPU binning yet? I can't recall how my phone perform on the AnTuTu test, but maybe you can try to measure fps when you play *actual* game?
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i don't usually do gaming but i tried dead trigger just for testing
it does have some fps drops sometimes but it is totally playable
but wow now i know this device can get EXTREMELY hot, good thing im not a gamer cause i like the feeling of cold class^^
well thanks all guess its normal then!
hey guys, im looking to buy the nexus 10, but it seems that the res, of the screen, makes some games lag, or is it down to the games not yet optimised?, not only that but, is is possible to force games to run at a lower res, ?
is it worth getting for gaming,?
thanks. amatris
I've had no problems with Nova 3, Shadow Gun, Shadow gun dead zone, Vice city, Deard Trigger, GTA 3, fruit ninja, Angry Birds and SuperGNES.
Which games have you been told lag?
I have to say, I've noticed lag on even simple games like Subway Surfer. In fact sometimes you lose because of the lag!
However I have also played Nova 3 and a couple of other high quality games and had no issues. Thinking it may be more settings based than tablet based!
NFS: MW is one of the games that drop frames pretty hard and is all because of the thermal throttle that the exynos 5 have.
Thanks for the reply guys, bit this id making me think tjat its not a good gaming tablet :-\ , is it still worth it?
Thanks amatris
amatris1996 said:
Thanks for the reply guys, bit this id making me think tjat its not a good gaming tablet :-\ , is it still worth it?
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A lot of the problems can actually be solved by slightly under volting the CPU. This reduces the thermal throttling.
nathanhd123 said:
A lot of the problems can actually be solved by slightly under volting the CPU. This reduces the thermal throttling.
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Would it be possible to explain how to do this? I've never wanted to play around with this settings! I use AOKP...
Tripledrop said:
Would it be possible to explain how to do this? I've never wanted to play around with this settings! I use AOKP...
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Undervolting is all done through a custom kernel. Check out some of the threads in the dev sections and see if you're up for it. Or just install the Franco custom kernel and you won't have to adjust anything and gaming should be just great! :good:
Do not get this tablet if you want a tablet for gaming plain and simple. The tablet has a relatively weak GPU and massive screen resolution to power. Games like Dead Trigger will run fine on Low settings, but crank the settings to high and the game turns into a stuttering mess. Need for Speed Most Wanted has less graphical effects and details than the iPad version and yet also runs laggy and drops frames. Even something like Subway Surfers and Temple Run are laggy and have a delay when you swipe your finger.
Undervolting it does not help. Undervolting it merely makes it not throttle when it gets too hot. However, the throttling is not the only issue this tablet has with gaming. The GPU is not good enough for this display. You can notice it well enough when scrolling and watching text deform. This text deforming problem happened in the iPad 3 to a lesser degree and is completely absent in the iPad 2 and 4. (3 being that awkward middle retina child without a good enough GPU).
This tablet is great for media consumption but not for playing games.
What do you recommend for a 10inch gaming tablet??
Thanks a matrix.
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amatris1996 said:
What do you recommend for a 10inch gaming tablet??
Thanks a matrix.
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An ipad if you want a gaming tablet. There really is no comparison to be honest for gaming.
Well I want to stick with android, I'm a big android fan and iv used the ipad, the first one that came out right up to the ipad mini and I have to say I don't like ios,
Any android ones you would recommend??
Thanks a amatris .
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Well I want to stick with android, I'm a big android fan and iv used the ipad, the first one that came out right up to the ipad mini and I have to say I don't like ios,
Any android ones you would recommend??
Thanks a amatris .
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Its just hard to recommend anything other than the ipad if you want it primarily for gaming. The ipad has a significantly larger library with games that look and play better than anything we have. Look at the note 10.1.
Hmm ok ty, should I be looking at the tegra 3 gpu's for graphics and I'm guessing a quad core cpu?
Thanks amatris.
Edit: how would a Asus TFT300T Transformer? hold up? its at my very max on the price up to £350,
it has
1.4GHz NVIDIA - Tegra 3 Quad-core processor.??
Thanks amatris.
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dust. said:
Undervolting is all done through a custom kernel. Check out some of the threads in the dev sections and see if you're up for it. Or just install the Franco custom kernel and you won't have to adjust anything and gaming should be just great! :good:
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Ok thx, will look into it!
NickTheMajin said:
Do not get this tablet if you want a tablet for gaming plain and simple. The tablet has a relatively weak GPU and massive screen resolution to power. Games like Dead Trigger will run fine on Low settings, but crank the settings to high and the game turns into a stuttering mess.
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the Quad-core Mali T604 is fast as hell trust me
the problem is that it doesnt get enough CPU power to show off.
the stock settings for the CPU usage is set way to low!
one more thing that makes the games to lag is the up/down speed changes.
everytime the CPU changes its frequency you get lag.
if you have been into PC games you know that a fast GPU is depending alot on the CPU speed as well.
with the stock 1000mhz speeds that the CPU is using for games it wont max out the GPU.
the GPU screams for more CPU power.
the ONLY way to get games running smooth on the N10 is to LOCK the CPU speed at 1500 or 1700mhz.
but its one more problem and i think you know what it is
so to TS
dont judge the N10 for one bad optimized game(NFSMW) with stock ROM.
the games i have tried runs all at 60fps with max graphic settings.
but ok its not stock
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I have to say, I've noticed lag on even simple games like Subway Surfer. In fact sometimes you lose because of the lag!
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lol what the... ?
i just installed it and it runs super smooth at 60fps even with the CPU locked at a low 1000mhz!
that is what i call a optimized game.
but as i said you probably have a CPU that dont knows what freq it wants to use and games dont like it.
just lock the Min/Max CPU speed at the same mhz and come back with a comment
Edit: just tried Subway Surfer with the Stock CPU Governor "Interactive" and stock speeds 200/1700 and it lags as you said.
not much but you notice it.
How do i lock the CPU. And what is that problem you mentioned? Im a very new android newbie
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Undervolting it does not help. Undervolting it merely makes it not throttle when it gets too hot. However, the throttling is not the only issue this tablet has with gaming. The GPU is not good enough for this display. You can notice it well enough when scrolling and watching text deform. This text deforming problem happened in the iPad 3 to a lesser degree and is completely absent in the iPad 2 and 4. (3 being that awkward middle retina child without a good enough GPU).
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Instructions on deforming text?
Patrik G said:
the Quad-core Mali T604 is fast as hell trust me
the problem is that it doesnt get enough CPU power to show off.
the stock settings for the CPU usage is set way to low!
one more thing that makes the games to lag is the up/down speed changes.
everytime the CPU changes its frequency you get lag.
if you have been into PC games you know that. fast GPU is depending alot on the CPU speed as well.
with the stock 1000mhz speeds that the CPU is using for games it wont max out the GPU.
the GPU screams for more CPU power.
the ONLY way to get games running smooth on the N10 is to LOCK the CPU speed at 1500 or 1700mhz.
but its one more problem and i think you know what it is
so to TS
dont judge the N10 for one bad optimized game(NFSMW) with stock ROM.
the games i have tried runs all at 60fps with max graphic settings.
but ok its not stock
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lol what the... ?
i just installed it and it runs super smooth at 60fps even with the CPU locked at a low 1000mhz!
that is what i call a optimized game.
but as i said you probably have a CPU that dont knows what freq it wants to use and games dont like it.
just lock the Min/Max CPU speed at the same mhz and come back with a comment
Edit: just tried Subway Surfer with the Stock CPU Governor "Interactive" and stock speeds 200/1700 and it lags as you said.
not much but you notice it.
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My tablet is locked at 1700mhz and is laggy in every game I try except the playstation emulator and dead trigger on low settings. Subway surfers is still laggy and need for speed is unplayable. I am a pc gamer so im very sensitive to framerates. A good way to tell the gpu is lacking is by watching text deform as you scroll, a pretty classic sign of gpu performance I believe we have the fastest cpu on the tablet front. But a much weaker gpu than the ipad 4 and it shows in our gaming performance. Im not sure how you are getting these games to run at 60fps. Sre you sure it is 60fps? I know many console gamers see 26fps and think its smooth while I think its utter rubbish.
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My tablet is locked at 1700mhz and is laggy in every game I try except the playstation emulator and dead trigger on low settings. Subway surfers is still laggy and need for speed is unplayable. I am a pc gamer so im very sensitive to framerates. A good way to tell the gpu is lacking is by watching text deform as you scroll, a pretty classic sign of gpu performance I believe we have the fastest cpu on the tablet front. But a much weaker gpu than the ipad 4 and it shows in our gaming performance. Im not sure how you are getting these games to run at 60fps. Sre you sure it is 60fps? I know many console gamers see 26fps and think its smooth while I think its utter rubbish.
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You're throttling.
Hey all.
So I would expect a 500 quid phone to be able to play the latest and greatest mobile games without stutter. Unfortunately this is not the case, with my most recent example being Real Racing 3. This game has terrible stutter and a frame rate of maybe 20fps if i am lucky.
I suspect this is partly to do with screen resolution, however is there a way to actually make the Galaxy Note 4 a good gaming device? I have root.
@captainbirdseye86 Lower the screen resolution with nomone apk from google play there is a thread about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/downscale-resolution-to-1080p-to-t2886177 and the apk link is here https://play.google.com/store/apps/...=nomone&pcampaignid=APPU_6l3OVKeSLZPaav6hgdAK also try to disable dvfs with xposed framework install a custom kernel (more performance depending on your settings but also more battery drain) and try to have a stock ROM as much as possible yeah all those customized Roms are way better but nothing is perfect all those mods costs on the performance also greenify your apps and system apps as much as you can...just some tips
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@captainbirdseye86 Lower the screen resolution with nomone apk from google play there is a thread about it here http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/help/downscale-resolution-to-1080p-to-t2886177 and the apk link is here https://play.google.com/store/apps/...=nomone&pcampaignid=APPU_6l3OVKeSLZPaav6hgdAK also try to disable dvfs with xposed framework install a custom kernel (more performance depending on your settings but also more battery drain) and try to have a stock ROM as much as possible yeah all those customized Roms are way better but nothing is perfect all those mods costs on the performance also greenify your apps and system apps as much as you can...just some tips
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Good work man. I'll just add closing background apps and messing with the minimum/maximum GPU/CPU clock.
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Hey all.
So I would expect a 500 quid phone to be able to play the latest and greatest mobile games without stutter. Unfortunately this is not the case, with my most recent example being Real Racing 3. This game has terrible stutter and a frame rate of maybe 20fps if i am lucky.
I suspect this is partly to do with screen resolution, however is there a way to actually make the Galaxy Note 4 a good gaming device? I have root.
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it is very disappointing indeed .. I rarely play games, but Asphalt 8 is my favourite and it is just unplayable on my sd805 note 4.
I have paid £587 for the device, and apparently have to root it and spend hours if not days tweaking it to be able to play some games.. Not a good job from Samsung in this department ...
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it is very disappointing indeed .. I rarely play games, but Asphalt 8 is my favourite and it is just unplayable on my sd805 note 4.
I have paid £587 for the device, and apparently have to root it and spend hours if not days tweaking it to be able to play some games.. Not a good job from Samsung in this department ...
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The answer to all your performance problems is a clean bug free pure google ROM I don't know if you can install one on the SD since I have the octa one but a ROM without all those s crap and bloatware equals to more performance if the ROM of course is properly cooked
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Good work man. I'll just add closing background apps and messing with the minimum/maximum GPU/CPU clock.
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I heard a dev talk that there isn't much to be gained by ocing the GPU and as far as CPU oc goes the more you push it the less time it will stay on that frequency because overheating could be 5 minutes away at full throttle oh and if you oc the GPU keep in mind that some voltage tuning might be necessary on the octa one I had stuttering on ultimate and persues kernels it varies from device to device...
PS hit that thanks button
The answer to the problems... its partly the chip runs so hot.. wait for lollipop to see what happens 1st
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The answer to all your performance problems is a clean bug free pure google ROM I don't know if you can install one on the SD since I have the octa one but a ROM without all those s crap and bloatware equals to more performance if the ROM of course is properly cooked
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I heard a dev talk that there isn't much to be gained by ocing the GPU and as far as CPU oc goes the more you push it the less time it will stay on that frequency because overheating could be 5 minutes away at full throttle oh and if you oc the GPU keep in mind that some voltage tuning might be necessary on the octa one I had stuttering on ultimate and persues kernels it varies from device to device...
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If you encounter problems with GPU OC, just increase the voltage a little bit. Don't see a problem there. When I talk about GPU/CPU management I mean mainly to increase the minimum GPU clock as some games don't demand enough of our device (haven't tested). Even with DVFS disabled I get a lot of 20ish fps playing spider man unlimited and the phone isn't even warm. It means the game is not requesting enough power. This is something I want to test, to force a high GPU clock with DVFS disabled and see what happens, but there's no kernel able to do that on exynos yet. Have you tested this? Do you know a way to control GPU clock on exynos or do you think they'll ever implement it?
mitko76 said:
it is very disappointing indeed .. I rarely play games, but Asphalt 8 is my favourite and it is just unplayable on my sd805 note 4.
I have paid £587 for the device, and apparently have to root it and spend hours if not days tweaking it to be able to play some games.. Not a good job from Samsung in this department ...
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It is very unfortunate to say that every smatphone in the world is like this. I'm a fan of asphalt 8 myself so I can say about it. I was playing the game on my girlfriend's iphone 6 which has the best GPU on a smartphone in my opinion + 750p resolution = insane graphics performance, right?? Sure! IF you don't throttle like crazy. Even with this insane combination the game hits 20ish fps here and there while the phone barely gets warm.
If you want to play the game with high fps without rooting just lower the graphics in options -> display. I was playing on high after all the mods I've done but it gets so hot and the battery runs out SO FAST that now I'm just playing on low/very low. The quality difference is minimum and you can play for a looong time.
If you need help to tweak your device (after root) for playing you can PM me. I'm a high fps addicted.
Hit the thanks button if I helped.
i am not sure why the games you are playing got low fps, i have played many games including BIA3, NFS MW , Dead Trigger 2 , BatMan, MC3 , Asphalt 8 etc
I so far felt no stuttering or any slowness even no Hot device over my Exynos
I am on stock No Root
fursuf said:
i am not sure why the games you are playing got low fps, i have played many games including BIA3, NFS MW , Dead Trigger 2 , BatMan, MC3 , Asphalt 8 etc
I so far felt no stuttering or any slowness even no Hot device over my Exynos
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You live in a cold place? Don't play for long periods? Many games run perfect on complete stock, sure! It isn't that bad.
@gabrielgon thank you for your time explaining this so yeah I get stuttering on God of fire let's say I will have to increase the gpu voltages table by at least 50 to make the problem ALMOST disappear now about low fps yeah also on galaxy on fire when a ship explodes I get some fps drop it is quite hilarious really thinking that this monster reaches out it's limits after some brainstorming though I figured I should reduce the resolution to 1080p or even 720 and woala no fps drops although the stuttering is still there so I guess I will have to increase the gpu frequency although I don't know if there is a way to do this...I will try to search a little
EDIT: OK so I used two apps that let you control the gpu frequency but it won't work on one app the function was greased out and on the other I kept pushing the button but it never took me to the menu to change the gpu frequency my guess is since the kernel doesn't support neither will the apps I don't think we will find any out there to do it if the kernel doesn't support it...
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You live in a cold place? Don't play for long periods? Many games run perfect on complete stock, sure! It isn't that bad.
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Yes. I never played more then 40mins and the normal temp around is about 30C
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Yes. I never played more then 40mins and the normal temp around is about 30C
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I wish the rest of us gamers were like you
sephkateno said:
@gabrielgon thank you for your time explaining this so yeah I get stuttering on God of fire let's say I will have to increase the gpu voltages table by at least 50 to make the problem ALMOST disappear now about low fps yeah also on galaxy on fire when a ship explodes I get some fps drop it is quite hilarious really thinking that this monster reaches out it's limits after some brainstorming though I figured I should reduce the resolution to 1080p or even 720 and woala no fps drops although the stuttering is still there so I guess I will have to increase the gpu frequency although I don't know if there is a way to do this...I will try to search a little
EDIT: OK so I used two apps that let you control the gpu frequency but it won't work on one app the function was greased out and on the other I kept pushing the button but it never took me to the menu to change the gpu frequency my guess is since the kernel doesn't support neither will the apps I don't think we will find any out there to do it if the kernel doesn't support it...
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Ok, some stuff I can help you with:
Increasing the voltage doesn't increase performance, this only makes your phone use more energy. People usually undervolt their phones to get better battery life but when it gets too undervolted the phone gets unstable. That's why when you overclock you might need to increase the voltage, to keep it stable.
You won't be able to mess with GPU frequency unless your kernel support it. Maybe if you are a snapdragon user (I'm not sure), but on exynos you won't.
Downscaling resolution helps. There's a thread about it here. Good luck!
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Yes. I never played more then 40mins and the normal temp around is about 30C
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That's probably the battery temperature, but either way that's pretty dam good!! After 10-15 minutes you'll probably reach the heat peak already so that's enough for testing. Good to know you're having a good experience!
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It is very unfortunate to say that every smatphone in the world is like this. I'm a fan of asphalt 8 myself so I can say about it. I was playing the game on my girlfriend's iphone 6 which has the best GPU on a smartphone in my opinion + 750p resolution = insane graphics performance, right?? Sure! IF you don't throttle like crazy. Even with this insane combination the game hits 20ish fps here and there while the phone barely gets warm.
If you want to play the game with high fps without rooting just lower the graphics in options -> display. I was playing on high after all the mods I've done but it gets so hot and the battery runs out SO FAST that now I'm just playing on low/very low. The quality difference is minimum and you can play for a looong time.
If you need help to tweak your device (after root) for playing you can PM me. I'm a high fps addicted.
Hit the thanks button if I helped.
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Thank you gabrielgon, note 4 is the first galaxy phone I am reluctant to root. I just don't have the time I had years ago.
I kind of disagree with you that all phones experience these issues. My previous note 1, 2 and 3 had no such problems.
That is just new to me. With all my previous note phones, I could just download any game (most likely asphalt ) and play as long as I want.
It is annoying that my note 3 (which I still keep) is capable of playing Asphalt 8 on max settings for hours with absolutely no issues and yet my shiny new note 4 just struggling with that.
I think samsung just should not have adopted the 2k display technology so early. Obviously the hardware is not there yet.
I personally do no see any difference pixel wise from the display in my note 3.
Yes, the note 4 has brighter and more accurate colour wise display and that is all they should have change.
captainbirdseye86 said:
Hey all.
So I would expect a 500 quid phone to be able to play the latest and greatest mobile games without stutter. Unfortunately this is not the case, with my most recent example being Real Racing 3. This game has terrible stutter and a frame rate of maybe 20fps if i am lucky.
I suspect this is partly to do with screen resolution, however is there a way to actually make the Galaxy Note 4 a good gaming device? I have root.
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Mate my note 4 hasn't stuttered once during any game. At all so not sure why yours is?
I think you should try Stock and factory reset.
dladz said:
Mate my note 4 hasn't stuttered once during any game. At all so not sure why yours is?
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hi man, are you with sd805? if so, try asphalt 8 (on max settings) for 20min.
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stock reset is the first thing I always do. it did not change anything.
mitko76 said:
hi man, are you with sd805? if so, try asphalt 8 (on max settings) for 20min.
stock reset is the first thing I always do. it did not change anything.
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Using the 910F, doesn't stutter on emulation, heavy 3D games ?!? Just doesn't stutter, sorry man i'm not seeing it.
But yea the 805 yea, i'm not on stock but even when i was it seemed to be fine.
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Using the 910F, doesn't stutter on emulation, heavy 3D games ?!? Just doesn't stutter, sorry man i'm not seeing it.
But yea the 805 yea, i'm not on stock but even when i was it seemed to be fine.
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that is cool man. I played with 3 note 4 (returned the first 2 because of defective displays and overheating) and they all had this issue.
It is not that I dont believe you, but I have to see it to believe it
My experience on the Note 4 is virtually the same as my experience on the Note 2, a device which is over two years old!
I do prefer Exynos, but I purchased the Snapdragon because it is the most supported SoC on the market, for now.
I'll make sure my next device sports an Exynos, I miss my Wolfson and Noticeable Performance Boosts, overall, going from one Exynos generation to the other.
Hello !
After long weeks of searching the answer and solution to my problem, I am exhausted. So I would like to ask the biggest Android community for help
Well, I know it's not new, but I have problem with my S7 Edge (Exynos) performance
I experience FPS drops in almost every game I play. As for games it's not that irritating, but recently I have bought Gear VR and while having this thing so close to your eyes, you see every frame skipping.
Apps for checking the CPU throttling shows that after 5-10 minutes the 4 bigger cores slow down to about 50% of their full speed. It leads to ~30% performance slow down.
I tried every solution that doesn't require root access and warranty void. For example: disabling certain packages and services (Game Launcher, Game optimization service); different settings in Game Tuner; performance mode; factory reset etc. Nothing works.
Does this kind of problems can be repaired on warranty? I know that in order to fix this you can change kernel setting, cpu governor etc but ofc they don't do that in Samsung Service Center. Is it possible for them to replace the main board and cpu with Snapdragon one?
I would not like to root my device because I didn't want to lose my 3 years warranty and I am using a lot of applications that may not work with a root.
Thank you in advance for all your replies
Did you try the game performance mode? As the "performance mode" is just screen resolution and brightness. The game mode is the real performance mode where the temps throttling is relaxed and higher clock speeds allowed(you can also edit the profile to set the resolution manually to wqhd). You can also try to set the resolution to full hd and see how it goes (tho for VR it won't be cool, but for the test it won't hurt). Also if the phone is new, it will need atleast 10 days to settle and become faster, smoother, better. Apply updates if they are pending too.
Otherwise you can't do much without root, but even then you are limited to what you can achieve so be careful + samsung have a fuse into the chip that burns out when you root the phone, it's not possible to hide the intervention and they can deny warranty for that reason (and often do so).
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Did you try the game performance mode? As the "performance mode" is just screen resolution and brightness. The game mode is the real performance mode where the temps throttling is relaxed and higher clock speeds allowed(you can also edit the profile to set the resolution manually to wqhd). You can also try to set the resolution to full hd and see how it goes (tho for VR it won't be cool, but for the test it won't hurt). Also if the phone is new, it will need atleast 10 days to settle and become faster, smoother, better. Apply updates if they are pending too.
Otherwise you can't do much without root, but even then you are limited to what you can achieve so be careful + samsung have a fuse into the chip that burns out when you root the phone, it's not possible to hide the intervention and they can deny warranty for that reason (and often do so).
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Thank you for your reply
Yes, I've tried "game mode" but there is no difference. Changing resolution to Full HD helps for a while, but the Gear VR software doesn't work properly on anything other than WQHD. It just doesn't scale properly and you are unable to see whole content.
I'm just wondering whether every S7 Edge has problems like mine. I understand throttling after 20-30 minutes of intensive gameplay, but ~40% slow down after 3-5 minutes seems strange, especially because phone doesn't even get warm.
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Thank you for your reply
Yes, I've tried "game mode" but there is no difference. Changing resolution to Full HD helps for a while, but the Gear VR software doesn't work properly on anything other than WQHD. It just doesn't scale properly and you are unable to see whole content.
I'm just wondering whether every S7 Edge has problems like mine. I understand throttling after 20-30 minutes of intensive gameplay, but ~40% slow down after 3-5 minutes seems strange, especially because phone doesn't even get warm.
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Hard to tell, got the phone, but no vr... :/
Otherwise I don't have problems with gaming, the game mode smooths a little the already fluid gaming(but then again, the game I play mostly is vainglory and that game runs great on htc m8 that is almost 4 years old). You are talking about some more massive performance drop. Many phones start to throttle early and throttle hard, samsung is one of them for sure (they want the phone cold).
@hamdir can you lend a hand on that one? You are tons more experience with VR than me.
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Hard to tell, got the phone, but no vr... :/
Otherwise I don't have problems with gaming, the game mode smooths a little the already fluid gaming(but then again, the game I play mostly is vainglory and that game runs great on htc m8 that is almost 4 years old). You are talking about some more massive performance drop. Many phones start to throttle early and throttle hard, samsung is one of them for sure (they want the phone cold).
@hamdir can you lend a hand on that one? You are tons more experience with VR than me.
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Well, there is an app called CPU Throttling Test on Google Play. I would be really thankful if you give me information how your phone behave in this app. Mine throttles hard after 3-8 minutes. Clock speed of the better cores goes down to about 1.6GHz each. Sometimes even below 1.5GHz.
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Well, there is an app called CPU Throttling Test on Google Play. I would be really thankful if you give me information how your phone behave in this app. Mine throttles hard after 3-8 minutes. Clock speed of the better cores goes down to about 1.6GHz each. Sometimes even below 1.5GHz.
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From a cold phone, 1.9GHz almost right away(I guess the highest freq is only for burst load, like app launching) and kept for 8 minutes then drop to 1.57GHz on the big cores. So I think it's in line with your result.
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From a cold phone, 1.9GHz almost right away(I guess the highest freq is only for burst load, like app launching) and kept for 8 minutes then drop to 1.57GHz on the big cores. So I think it's in line with your result.
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Yeah, that would be it. Thank you for your time. So it seems to be normal, I hope I'll get used to it somehow
I also wrote an email to Oculus, maybe they heard sth about this issue and know a fix for frames skipping.
The notorious feature known as DVFS is the likely culprit. Some forum members suggest it throttles the GPU and CPU to improve benchmark results or otherwise to protect the device. I've noticed it can lock-up and end up overheating the device but that's just an anecdote.
You can try forcing the app to run at a lower resolution which Samsung's Game Tuner does for some games, or find other solutions for unrooted devices like capping CPU frequency for a smoother experience.
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The notorious feature known as DVFS is the likely culprit. Some forum members suggest it throttles the GPU and CPU to improve benchmark results or otherwise to protect the device. I've noticed it can lock-up and end up overheating the device but that's just an anecdote.
You can try forcing the app to run at a lower resolution which Samsung's Game Tuner does for some games, or find other solutions for unrooted devices like capping CPU frequency for a smoother experience.
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Almost all the phones are tweaked to use max freq only on single core load and app startup (burst). If their power management detect heavy load on all cores, it will automatically scale down to lower freq state to prevent heat building up fast. In reality in our case this is 1.87GHz for all big cores + the small ones (higher if only the big cluster is used, leaving the small cores off). The first actual thermal throttling level is 1.56-1.57GHz at around 8 minutes mark. Games would take a lot longer and in my observation as the phone is big and none will use 8 cores at the same time - there will be no throttling, just power management and stable fps. His case is different tho, VR is really a heavy one on the CPU.
As for DVFS (and extended to samsung power management, every manufacturer has it's own management) - it's there for a reason, to use your phone without major slowdowns due to heat and to be cold in touch, i.e. better for use. You can always change the behaviour via custom kernel, but you can't get more performance without heating the phone to the point of hardware throttling or uncomfortable to hold. Actually as you said - the right way if modify is to cap to lower freq and try to command the phone to keep them. This would still lead to a lot of heat, but will take some time to build up (and it will look smoother, tho with lower fps). OC is pointless for speed gains, will work only for burst loads. UV is not effective too as nowdays the SOC's are heavily binned for optimal settings from the factory.
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