[Q] Dead phone fix? - Nexus 4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Soon after downloading the Facebook and messenger app (not sure if relevant), my N4 died, which isn't unusual, happens maybe once a week. I tried all the usual fixes but this time was different for some reason. I'm running PA 4 Beta 4. There is zero response from the phone while unplugged no matter all the different power button combinations. When plugged in to PC or socket, the red light does appear when I press the buttons after a few seconds, but only while plugged in, no red light while simply "charging". Any help would be appreciated before I send it to get it professionally fixed.
Cheers,
Ger.

GxR92 said:
Soon after downloading the Facebook and messenger app (not sure if relevant), my N4 died, which isn't unusual, happens maybe once a week. I tried all the usual fixes but this time was different for some reason. I'm running PA 4 Beta 4. There is zero response from the phone while unplugged no matter all the different power button combinations. When plugged in to PC or socket, the red light does appear when I press the buttons after a few seconds, but only while plugged in, no red light while simply "charging". Any help would be appreciated before I send it to get it professionally fixed.
Cheers,
Ger.
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The red light wouldn't be on during charging anyways. Charge the phone from a wall socket instead of the USB port because it'll take a week to charge that way. Let the phone charge for a couple of hours and try again.
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Berrydroidcafe said:
The red light wouldn't be on during charging anyways. Charge the phone from a wall socket instead of the USB port because it'll take a week to charge that way. Let the phone charge for a couple of hours and try again.
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Thanks for the advice man, however I left it charging overnight through the wall socket so not very confident of that

GxR92 said:
Thanks for the advice man, however I left it charging overnight through the wall socket so not very confident of that
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So the phone still won't boot? Can you get into the recovery?
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Berrydroidcafe said:
So the phone still won't boot? Can you get into the recovery?
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No, cannot boot into recovery, phone has been stone cold also the whole time so it doesn't look like its charging (7+ hours), like I said the only indication it is somewhat alive is that the red light does flash while it is plugged in but only while holding the volume down and power buttons. Other than that the phone is completely dead.

GxR92 said:
No, cannot boot into recovery, phone has been stone cold also the whole time so it doesn't look like its charging (7+ hours), like I said the only indication it is somewhat alive is that the red light does flash while it is plugged in but only while holding the volume down and power buttons. Other than that the phone is completely dead.
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With that, I think you need to call customer service and see if they can point you in the right direction.
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Alright man, thanks alot for your help

Any luck? I have the same issue, it won't start and shows a red light when I hold down volume down and the power button. I talked to customer support and they told me to do the typical stuff, said to call LG instead.

uEih said:
Any luck? I have the same issue, it won't start and shows a red light when I hold down volume down and the power button. I talked to customer support and they told me to do the typical stuff, said to call LG instead.
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No change, will drop it into my local electrical repair shop tomorrow and hope its not that expensive to get fixed, pretty frustrating to have your phone die for no apparent reason

GxR92 said:
No change, will drop it into my local electrical repair shop tomorrow and hope its not that expensive to get fixed, pretty frustrating to have your phone die for no apparent reason
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I could be wrong but I would think the issue is a dead battery, I would think replacing the battery would fix it but that's my opinion regarding what happened with mine, it was drained down all the way. Not sure if yours was almost dead but mine was very low and crashed, it tried to start again but I think the boot screen took up too much energy and it sucked whatever else the battery had.

GxR92 said:
Soon after downloading the Facebook and messenger app (not sure if relevant), my N4 died, which isn't unusual, happens maybe once a week. I tried all the usual fixes but this time was different for some reason. I'm running PA 4 Beta 4. There is zero response from the phone while unplugged no matter all the different power button combinations. When plugged in to PC or socket, the red light does appear when I press the buttons after a few seconds, but only while plugged in, no red light while simply "charging". Any help would be appreciated before I send it to get it professionally fixed.
Cheers,
Ger.
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This thread will solve your issue. Its already reported many times.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2250454
Final fix for Nexus 4 red light of death
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jaison thomas said:
This thread will solve your issue. Its already reported many times.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2250454
Final fix for Nexus 4 red light of death
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Have you done this? Where are the wires going into exactly? I can't secure it on anything from the battery flex cable.

OK just got a reply from the repair shop, this is what they said:
Task Type : HARDWARE
Notes : between layer of the mainboard the circuit is gone.
new mainboard: 229.-euro
Obviously I'm not going to pay for this, will try the fix in the thread linked but looks like a lost cause. uEih, best of luck with yours, let me know if you manage to fix it. Thanks to those who posted in this thread.

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Fire on CM9 won't turn on

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Hello all,
So I went to turn on my Fire and wanted to boot into recovery so I long pressed the power button (+20 secs). Now my Fire won't start up. I get the momentary green light which comes on but no boot up - just a black screen.
Any ideas...i.e. help? Cheers.
For info I'm running (or I am normally...hehe) CM9. Cheers bis...
does the green light stay on if you turn it on ?
or is it "blinking" - like it reboots ?
cm9 seems to drain the battery in some conditions
may be charging with the wall charger for some hours helps
do you see a sort of backlight on the black screen ?
would verify it with hard power down to see the difference
b63 said:
does the green light stay on if you turn it on ?
or is it "blinking" - like it reboots ?
cm9 seems to drain the battery in some conditions
may be charging with the wall charger for some hours helps
do you see a sort of backlight on the black screen ?
would verify it with hard power down to see the difference
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The green light only comes on for a second after pressing the power button. The screen is completely black. What is a "hard power down"?
Also, plugged into the outlet there is no light, charging or otherwise.
Cheers for your response and help. Much appreciated.
feroxcvpiditas said:
The green light only comes on for a second after pressing the power button. The screen is completely black. What is a "hard power down"?
Also, plugged into the outlet there is no light, charging or otherwise.
Cheers for your response and help. Much appreciated.
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hard power down is meant to hold the power button for ~20sec - till it turns off
if you plug it to the wall charger it can last up to half an hour till the orange light comes up when the battery is heavily drained - would recommend to let it on the charger over night in such a case
b63 said:
hard power down is meant to hold the power button for ~20sec - till it turns off
if you plug it to the wall charger it can last up to half an hour till the orange light comes up when the battery is heavily drained - would recommend to let it on the charger over night in such a case
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Oh yes, that's what I did initially - which I assumed put me in this state. But it might well be that it powered down completely. It's plugged in the outlet so I'll it charge more. It's been charging for over 3 hours and there's still no light, orange or other.
hmmm - the strange thing is that nothing shows up on the display - this implies that it don't have enough power to start to the bootloader or the bootloader is messed up
if the bootloader is messed up there is only one way to load a new one
you have to open the kf for this ...
is it recognized at the computer in any way (shown up or the typical ding ding sound) ?
b63 said:
hmmm - the strange thing is that nothing shows up on the display - this implies that it don't have enough power to start to the bootloader or the bootloader is messed up
if the bootloader is messed up there is only one way to load a new one
you have to open the kf for this ...
is it recognized at the computer in any way (shown up or the typical ding ding sound) ?
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Problem is I don't have a computer now...I'll leave it plugged in all day and hope for a change of some sort. If not I'll have to do another one of my now famous calls to Amazon. "I don't get it...it just won't start..." And two days later another one arrives. I have to say they are incredibly accomodating on that front...but I'd like to avoid it. Three times is pushing my luck I think...
feroxcvpiditas said:
And two days later another one arrives. I have to say they are incredibly accomodating on that front...but I'd like to avoid it. Three times is pushing my luck I think...
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Wait, they'll send you a new one even though its rooted? Other than best buy thats probably the only company thatll do that O.O
alternativeaura said:
Wait, they'll send you a new one even though its rooted? Other than best buy thats probably the only company thatll do that O.O
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Yes, that's my experience. I just say "the screen is black and it won't turn on" - they've never had a problem with it.
Well, a thorough charge solved my issue. After the charge, I did a hard power off and then powered on normally. Whew...
Glad to not have to send it back to Amazon...I shall make sure it is fully charged from now on.
glad to help ...
please mark the subject of the topic (edit first post) with [Solved]
b63 said:
glad to help ...
please mark the subject of the topic (edit first post) with [Solved]
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Will do. Cheers again!

bricked? red flashing led

Just got my nexus 4, and after it was left in cwm for about 10 minutes (while I was making breakfast) it went to a black screen and now just the red led notification led is flashing whenever plugged in, and on my mac in system profiler it shows "composite device", any suggestions?
Thanks!
nycbjr said:
Just got my nexus 4, and after it was left in cwm for about 10 minutes (while I was making breakfast) it went to a black screen and now just the red led notification led is flashing whenever plugged in, and on my mac in system profiler it shows "composite device", any suggestions?
Thanks!
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Is your device hot to the touch?
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20 second press on power button
No luck
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Don't know if you want to do this, but you can open the phone and disconnect and reconnect the battery connector...
What was your battery level, I know in other devices some times the CPU(s) run at full speed in recovery allowing for quicker flashing this could discharge the battery rapidly. Also a flashing red LED when plugged in normally means the phone is charging but doesn't have enough charge to reliably turn on, leave it plugged in for about 15 minutes and try turning it on again.
Try holding down the VOL + and - keys along with the powerbutton (after turning it off by holding down the power button for an extended time) and see if you can get into fastboot. My friend's Nexus 4 kept bootlooping after he unlocked the bootloader but booted straight to CWM after, not letting it erase userdata first.
Net.silb said:
Don't know if you want to do this, but you can open the phone and disconnect and reconnect the battery connector...
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I have no problem doing this, the phone seems easy to disassemble, looks alot like a overgrown iPhone 4, 2 screws on the bottom. I just hope its an easy slide, I don;t want to mar it in case I have to exchange it.
jakejm79 said:
What was your battery level, I know in other devices some times the CPU(s) run at full speed in recovery allowing for quicker flashing this could discharge the battery rapidly. Also a flashing red LED when plugged in normally means the phone is charging but doesn't have enough charge to reliably turn on, leave it plugged in for about 15 minutes and try turning it on again.
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I thought this as well, its been plugged in for at least an hour now.
Oh and now I don't even get the red led!
good times..
I've got the exact same issue. Plugged it in last night to charge and this morning it wouldn't turn on. Plugged and unplugged it and the red LED starts flashing. After a minute or so I'm getting the battery charge animation on the screen - so the red LED is power related. Now to see if it actually charges up and boots.
Hi nycbjr. I have seen a similar issue posted here, but I can't find the thread at the moment, try searching. If I remember correctly then he got it working by holding power, volume keys and then plugging in the charger.
nycbjr said:
I have no problem doing this, the phone seems easy to disassemble, looks alot like a overgrown iPhone 4, 2 screws on the bottom. I just hope its an easy slide, I don;t want to mar it in case I have to exchange it.
I thought this as well, its been plugged in for at least an hour now.
Oh and now I don't even get the red led!
good times..
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Try a different charger?
Unlucky
Get a Free £5 On a GiffGaff sim
Called google, they are sending me another one advanced replacement, so I can send the bad one back at me leisure.
Good customer service!
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nycbjr said:
Called google, they are sending me another one advanced replacement, so I can send the bad one back at me leisure.
Good customer service!
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Hi!! I have the exact same problem, unfortunately the phone is bricked! Does anyone know how to fix this? I saw a video on youtube Nexus 4 - JTAG Brick Repair Service
CalogeroIndorato said:
Hi!! I have the exact same problem, unfortunately the phone is bricked! Does anyone know how to fix this? I saw a video on youtube Nexus 4 - JTAG Brick Repair Service
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If u are fully bricked JTAG is the way to go.
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Here seems to be a similar thread, maybe you'll find help there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2111947

[Q] Please help!! Nexus 4 died

My nexus 4 died. Can not boot. No respond but only red flash when plugged in with charger. I already unlocked my phone.
any one can help me?
huangkaiwisdom said:
My nexus 4 died. Can not boot. No respond but only red flash when plugged in with charger. I already unlocked my phone.
any one can help me?
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Thats the RED light of death. Its a battery problem. Some people have opened their phones and fixed it somehow. I suggest you get a RMA.
Addsome said:
Thats the RED light of death. Its a battery problem. Some people have opened their phones and fixed it somehow. I suggest you get a RMA.
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Since I already unlocked my phone and flash recovery. Do I still under the warranty?
huangkaiwisdom said:
Since I already unlocked my phone and flash recovery. Do I still under the warranty?
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Im not 100% sure but since what you did, did not cause the RED led they should fix it. Unless something you did made that happen. When did this happen and how?
Put it on charge overnight. It should boot into recovery.
Addsome said:
Thats the RED light of death. Its a battery problem. Some people have opened their phones and fixed it somehow. I suggest you get a RMA.
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Addsome said:
Im not 100% sure but since what you did, did not cause the RED led they should fix it. Unless something you did made that happen. When did this happen and how?
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When I was trying to root my phone, when It on Recovery mod, I left for a while, when I came back, the phone was very hot, and powered off. No response when hit the power button.
calyxim said:
Put it on charge overnight. It should boot into recovery.
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I tried. Keep in charge overnight. But still only Reg flash light.
huangkaiwisdom said:
When I was trying to root my phone, when It on Recovery mod, I left for a while, when I came back, the phone was very hot, and powered off. No response when hit the power button.
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Hmm, you might of done something wrong.. Why would you leave it while it was rooting? I dont know what to do. Maybe you did something to the battery. Since you say it was very hot the battery might of overheated and died. Was it hot throughout the phone? Or just the top section. You could always but a battery and replace it yourself.
Addsome said:
Hmm, you might of done something wrong.. Why would you leave it while it was rooting? I dont know what to do. Maybe you did something to the battery. Since you say it was very hot the battery might of overheated and died. Was it hot throughout the phone? Or just the top section. You could always but a battery and replace it yourself.
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It's just the top section. Maybe I did something wrong. The phone showed the battery logo for one second. But back to Red light then.
Charge it the whole night with another charger, not stock
calanizzle said:
Charge it the whole night with another charger, not stock
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I will try that. Thanks
I believe some have fixed thier problem by pressing down where the battery connects to phone
Plug it into a USB slot on your computer and repeatedly try and get into recovery. Worked for me when I got the red light. When you do get into recovery leave it there a while to charge.
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Is there any way of avoiding this red light of death issue. I am worried that it will happen on my Nexus
droidmakespwn said:
Plug it into a USB slot on your computer and repeatedly try and get into recovery. Worked for me when I got the red light. When you do get into recovery leave it there a while to charge.
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When plug into USB and connect to computer, it show the battery charge logo for seconds and back to red flash light. And I press volume up + power button, no flash but still Red light. nothing happened.
huangkaiwisdom said:
When plug into USB and connect to computer, it show the battery charge logo for seconds and back to red flash light. And I press volume up + power button, no flash but still Red light. nothing happened.
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If you have adb access, boot to recovery there.
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droidmakespwn said:
Plug it into a USB slot on your computer and repeatedly try and get into recovery. Worked for me when I got the red light. When you do get into recovery leave it there a while to charge.
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I got red light of death and believe me I understand how it feels.
Good news: You can come out of it
1. Plug into wall charger for 1 hour or so. Make sure the wall charger has has at least 5V and 0.7 A, lower than that can not make sufficient charge.
2. After one hour of charging, the red light should go off (It's ok even if its RED light is glowing)
3. take out the charger and press power + Vol Down
4. Holding above two buttons, insert your charging USB to phone
5. The red light should blink and after a while you should be in boot loader.
5.1. If it doesn't do it again (Holding above two buttons, insert your charging USB to phone)
5.2. If you are not getting it after say 15-20 tries, leave it for charge for some more time and then try
6. Once you are in boot loader screen, don't let the screen turn-off, that is every 20-30 secs keep pressing vol button.
7. After 2 mins, chose reboot option and your phone should reboot, you can see zero battery
Bad News: Even though you will come out of RED Light of Death, the battery will become very weak (Very!!) and if again it turns off due to low battery it will go to RED Light of Death again.
If you have warranty and you are rooted, flash Google Firmware when you are in fastboot and claim your Warranty.
Sadly, I am in Singapore and using US set, so I can't do that.
Let me know if it helped.

Note 3 died while charging

Hi all, my note 3 just died in a strange way.
2 hours ago i it was working in the train. When i got home it was about 10%. Took it out once while smoking and put it back charging again. Half an hour ago i turned on the screen to see if i got any messages. Turned of the screen again. Half an hour later i wanted to check again, but the phone was off.
It wont turn on anymore. Tried my second battery, not working. Checked my usb cable, it was charging my external battery.
After this i plugged the phone in to charge again to see what would happen. I dont see any battery icon in the screen, the led is also not working. The battery feels cold. But the area around the camera is pretty hot. Still won't do nothing.
Has anyone any idea what this unexpected dead is about? Not rooted, not wet, not dropped, like i said, i was checking my messages half an hour ago while it was charging.
xdAinu said:
Hi all, my note 3 just died in a strange way.
2 hours ago i it was working in the train. When i got home it was about 10%. Took it out once while smoking and put it back charging again. Half an hour ago i turned on the screen to see if i got any messages. Turned of the screen again. Half an hour later i wanted to check again, but the phone was off.
It wont turn on anymore. Tried my second battery, not working. Checked my usb cable, it was charging my external battery.
After this i plugged the phone in to charge again to see what would happen. The battery feels cold. But the area around the camera is pretty hot. Still won't do nothing.
Has anyone any idea what this unexpected dead is about? Not rooted, not wet, not dropped, like i said, i was checking my messages half an hour ago while it was charging.
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have you tried taking your phone into recovery mode (volume up+home+power)?
rusty-ragster said:
have you tried taking your phone into recovery mode (volume up+home+power)?
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Yes, it is not reacting to anything. I thought maybe the power button is bricked, but that would not explain why it is not showing the battery logo and led light while charging.
xdAinu said:
Yes, it is not reacting to anything. I thought maybe the power button is bricked, but that would not explain why it is not showing the battery logo and led light while charging.
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you might consider claiming your warranty
I will, just checking if this situation is familiar to anyone.
keep battery out while plug into pc and try going into recovery at same time or try pressing power on while battery out while stilled plugged into pc then if u see a screen plug battery back should charge leave 10 min then plug in wall
Press thanx if this helped
mygadgetgeek.com said:
keep battery out while plug into pc and try going into recovery at same time or try pressing power on while battery out while stilled plugged into pc then if u see a screen plug battery back should charge leave 10 min then plug in wall
Press thanx if this helped
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Plugged usb cable into my laptop, took out battery, connected phone to cable, tried recovery and power, both not working. The upper area of the phone gets hot though. So the laptop is giving power to it i guess.
Think warranty mate sorry shouldn't be get hot
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mygadgetgeek.com said:
Think warranty mate sorry shouldn't be get hot
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Ok thanks, what a shame.
Any technical people who might have know what caused it? Could it be a power shortcut or some kind of malware in the background? It's a really stupid death.
Mine did this
Was only 2 weeks old.
Took it back to the shop, and got it replaced.
It wouldnt charge even with the phone off
Common fault with them
similar thing happened to my wifes s2 turned out to be the motherboard
I have visited a support center. They told me the battery was giving 4.2 Volt to the phone instead of 3.8 Volt. So the phone and the battery are both broke. He told me this doesn't happen often.

blinking red light, phone seems dead

Just want to say I have done a lot of reading and testing before posting here. Disconnecting/reconnecting the battery, all possible button combinations, charging the battery externally (for good measure, it wasn't dead, tested with a multimeter).
This is my daughters phone, it simply shut off and refuses to turn on. However plugging it in makes it blink red. When plugged into the computer into a usb2 port it blinks red 7 times. When plugged into the wall it will blink red 11 times. The only plausable explanation of this I have found is this post http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ed-light-follows-motherboard.html#post3719526 and this image which is the supposed fix https://i.imgur.com/WewiGBe.png .
Any more ideas before I call this thing officially dead? Btw well past it's warranty, so I can be pretty invasive in fixing it since it's really just a brick right now.
baconbacon said:
Just want to say I have done a lot of reading and testing before posting here. Disconnecting/reconnecting the battery, all possible button combinations, charging the battery externally (for good measure, it wasn't dead, tested with a multimeter).
This is my daughters phone, it simply shut off and refuses to turn on. However plugging it in makes it blink red. When plugged into the computer into a usb2 port it blinks red 7 times. When plugged into the wall it will blink red 11 times. The only plausable explanation of this I have found is this post http://forums.androidcentral.com/go...ed-light-follows-motherboard.html#post3719526 and this image which is the supposed fix https://i.imgur.com/WewiGBe.png .
Any more ideas before I call this thing officially dead? Btw well past it's warranty, so I can be pretty invasive in fixing it since it's really just a brick right now.
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If you have to junk it, Expansys has a deal where you can get a remanufactured N4 8G is 129.99/ 16G is 149.99 http://www.expansys-usa.com/google-...9aU-aXzeibXDvErq.KMVvZ4neA&ito=LKSTM20TXf59aU or you can get both a 16G AND a Gen 1 N7 for 179.99 http://www.expansys-usa.com/google-...rtphone-bundle-16gb-tablet-16gb-phone-269434/
I took the N4 offer the other week, and all is well.
You could try a new battery. It could be that the cable is damaged, or something in the circuitry is damaged.
Found someone with a broken screen, going to borrow it and try his battery.
baconbacon said:
Found someone with a broken screen, going to borrow it and try his battery.
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did the battery swap work? My GF's n4 has the same issue.
Battery tests at 3.72 volts, no button combos work, if I hold power and plug in usb get a solid red followed by similar blinking pattern.
She will flip if it is dead (luckily pics are auto backed up of the baby)
If a battery swap works, I will be all over a new battery.
On YouTube there is a video of the guy who had the same issue... He came up with a good solution.. Search "nexus 4 red light of death"
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I figured mine out last year. I don't have it anymore. But. I held power down for like 30 plus seconds. Then while the charger is in phone plug into wall. In that order. Fixed it. Seems the phone gets in a deep hibernated state.
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thanks for the response, I have tried pulling the battery, button combos, holding the power button for up to 20 minutes, vol down plus power, vol up plus power, vol up and down plus power.
Swapping cables, usb ports, wall chargers everything that every site / forum has suggested.
The only thing I haven't done is swap the battery, and since I have the same led blink combo as OP, if a battery swapped fixed him, it is worth spending the money, otherwise I am wasting $30 bucks.
Other posts have suggested the blink combo (7 usb / 10 power) might be a pmic chip going bad so I don't want to waste money on a battery if it didn't work for OP.
A different battery changed nothing.
baconbacon said:
A different battery changed nothing.
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thanks for the update, yeah I bit the bullet and got my GF a moto G 2014. Not quite as nice as the nexus 4, but I got a good price on it.

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