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SE's attitude to root

In SE official support thread, I,and several other users, pestered one of SE support staff, asking if they would help us root the phone, to which the answer was no. Another user then asked, will SE actively try to prevent root, to which they also answered "no". What ius the opinion of the board as to whether we can trust them?

supamanc said:
In SE official support thread, I,and several other users, pestered one of SE support staff, asking if they would help us root the phone, to which the answer was no. Another user then asked, will SE actively try to prevent root, to which they also answered "no". What ius the opinion of the board as to whether we can trust them?
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A link to the seconde "no" post ?

Vilam said:
A link to the seconde "no" post ?
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what he said

Vilam said:
A link to the seconde "no" post ?
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I knew I should've bookmarked that response... searching... Man SE forums don't make linking to a specific post that easy. OK, here we are.
http://talk.sonyericsson.com/message/1910#1910
For reference, my question:
saltorio on talk.sonyericsson.com said:
Jeff:
Before we all get up in arms, lets make sure we understand you correctly. By "There are no plans to allow root access on the the Xperia™ X10.", do you mean that SE will actively do what they can to prevent users from achieving root access, or do you simply mean that SE will not put in any efforts to simplify the process for users?
If the latter, I think most of us can understand.
However, if it's the former I think SE is really out-of-touch with the Android community and the concept of an "open" system. Couple such a decision with the mis-information about the X10 that was released by SE itself prior to it's release in regards to multi-touch support, the decision to release the X10 with the already out-dated Android 1.6, and then the decision to offer an upgrade to 2.1 at the end of the year, nearly 6 months after the release of 2.2, and it's looking completely like SE really doesn't care about it's customers.
The X10 hardware is pretty good (though the aforementioned lack of multi-touch is still a bad decision). However, the software requires alot of work. The X10 has been plagued by poor battery performance that appears to be the result of bad coding in the Home app, and Timescape is slow and buggy. The OS (as mentioned) is out-dated, and falling further behind, and SE's commitments to address these issues seem far-sighted and as not being enough.
If SE want's their sales to thrive, they need to address the issues with the X10's software. Since you don't seem to be in any rush to do so, what is the issue with allowing the community to do it for you?
Rumor has it SE has more Android handsets in the works. If you want sales of these devices, you'd better embrace your customers. As no amount of positive reviews (of which those for the X10 were mostly only luke-warm) will save a brand hampered by widespread customer satisfaction published all over the web.
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And Jeff's (from SE) response:
Jeff on talk.sonyericsson.com said:
Hi,
Just a quick reply to say "SE will not put in any efforts to simplify the process for users" is correct.
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The problem I see with SE's position, is that they could easily patch the exploit that the rooters have used, claiming it's a security flaw that required a fix. They then kill the root while being able to claim Jeff wasn't lying as they're looking out for their customer's best interests by fixing security holes.

Has there been EVER a manufacturer that supports root?

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Main_Page supprts root

visitador02 said:
Has there been EVER a manufacturer that supports root?
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HTC and Google with their nexus one.

i wouldnt believe anything a cs agent/forum agent says to be honest. Its probably a correct answer as far as he knows for now but unfortunately it wont be anything to do with him whether SE patch it or not.
Its the same with the update. People believing what they twitter. The front end people in these companies are always the last to know whats going on and the first to get asked by their customers.

HunteronX said:
HTC and Google with their nexus one.
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No, it is a Google branded phone. So, Google wants you to play with it.
I haven't seen HTC do it.

visitador02 said:
Has there been EVER a manufacturer that supports root?
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Nokia N900

I wouldn't be too surprised if SE didn't patch the "root hole". The decision to lock the root so securely (as I understand) wasn't so much to curb piracy or to completely lock down the phone, but more as a safety device for the many people who don't have the technical knowledge that we see here on XDA.
SE were getting many phones returned because it was all too easy to brick the phone by attempting to install roms/updates which were either not designed for the device or otherwise having access to the filesystem - it's not quite like the situation with, for example, the PSP; where holes are being patched as they are found with newer firmwares, to try and stem the rampant piracy problem on that platform.
SE have no vested interest in the sale of software on the X10, nor in spending time and resources plugging holes in the security of root on their phones.
I think it's enough for SE that acheiving root is relatively technical, and that not too many users will be trying it - and also those users will probably be quite happy to be trawling forums for a fix rather than sending their device straight off to SE.
This is of course all conjecture - they might chase root holes and close them down on each and every exploit. But I doubt it.

SquidgyB said:
I wouldn't be too surprised if SE didn't patch the "root hole". The decision to lock the root so securely (as I understand) wasn't so much to curb piracy or to completely lock down the phone, but more as a safety device for the many people who don't have the technical knowledge that we see here on XDA.
SE were getting many phones returned because it was all too easy to brick the phone by attempting to install roms/updates which were either not designed for the device or otherwise having access to the filesystem - it's not quite like the situation with, for example, the PSP; where holes are being patched as they are found with newer firmwares, to try and stem the rampant piracy problem on that platform.
SE have no vested interest in the sale of software on the X10, nor in spending time and resources plugging holes in the security of root on their phones.
I think it's enough for SE that acheiving root is relatively technical, and that not too many users will be trying it - and also those users will probably be quite happy to be trawling forums for a fix rather than sending their device straight off to SE.
This is of course all conjecture - they might chase root holes and close them down on each and every exploit. But I doubt it.
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I really want that to be true, and judging from the people I know in the development department of SE's mobile division it sounds like achieving root is almost considered an accolade.
The bit about making it hard to flash unsigned stuff to minimise the risk of people flashing random [email protected] to their phones makes good sense.

[Q] [DEBATE] Why is MS issuing the activation codes?

Hi,
I would like to start discussion, what do you thing, why is the MS still issuing tha activation codes for WP7. Nobody here could think, that in MS are so stupid, that they did not noticed, that there is successful port of WP7 to HD2 and that they are now issuing the activation keys to those phones.
I am thinking about those possible reasons:
they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?

I think option 1.

would go for option 1.
only marketshare that would go up is web browser marketshare... they do not sell more phones this way.
what could be a fourth option is that microsoft actually uses the XDA community to test every security system in their OS for loopholes and bugs in an early stage so they can fix all that (without having to look for the problems theirselves) and make sure people are unable to hack their OS when the OS goes into a more complete and final form as the OS is now only in 7.0 and not even released globally.
still option 1 is more likely. they possibly do not have a database with all s/n or imei numbers for all (sold) wp7 phones so they are unable to check.

aenedor said:
I think option 1.
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Its Option 1. I remember reading on their support site that on some cases that the verification fails (the did not mention the possible reasons) on any windows phone out of the box.

homer.web said:
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they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
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Definitely #1. When I called technical support, it seemed like the woman I talked with had done this before and she knew exactly what I was talking about. She asked if I was using WP7 and when I said yes, she even said "Oh, well that's why you need an activation code." I think I read somewhere that even if you're using a WP7 device, doing a hard reset on the phone would cause you to need a new activation code, so it's not out of the ordinary for them to receive calls about it I suppose.
#3 is something I'm a bit worried about in the back of my mind, but the thing is my phone identifies itself as an HD7, so I'm not sure if MS would be able to tell it wasn't. I also don't think it's worth their time and money to look into the issue since in the bigger picture, the amount of users who haven't bought an "offical" WP7 device is relatively small I would think. Another thing is they're now getting money from me, since while I have absolutely no interest in buying a new WP7 device, I'm now buying apps/games and will probably buy some music through Zune (really digging the software).

I don’t think there is a downside for MS at the moment. From what I understand, the HD2 is one of the few (last gen) phones capable of running WP7 and the more people that use WP7 the sooner that apps that are popular for other OS's will be created for WP. More money for MS but more importantly, quicker adoption by the general public because the marketplace will quickly catch up with Apple and Droid.
From my limited use of WP7, it’s a great addition. Different thinking in its design but a distinct lack of business and productivity tools in the marketplace is going to hold me back from a using this as my daily OS.

Not a bad thought
I say #1 for sure, though i fear #3 to be honest ;-)

I am highly impressed with Windows Phone 7, and Microsoft may have realized that someone like me may make a WP7 device their next phone purchase.

1 and 2, please not 3.

It's obviously 1 as there have been several actual WP7 handsets needing activation also - that said, there is nothing stopping them from killing all the HD2 codes at any given time. The IMEI still identifies the phone as a HD2 rather than an HD7 so whenever they feel the need...
They could also go as far as banning your Live account from any future access to Zune and Xbox Live due to this - both the one used on your phone and the one you [may have] given them during your phonecall.

I was thinking #2, but i'm reading more and more people now not getting codes. therefore i guess it's #1.
will be very interesting to see what happens when the update comes along. ?will you dare to try it? will marketplace and apps stop working even if you don't install it?

Why should MS actually have a problem with 5 to 10 000 enthusiats that are flashing WP7 on their HD2's? I don't think that will affect sales of new WP7 phones as the HD2 is not produced anymore anyway.

ill take number 3 for 500.00 Alex kidding
I truly believe MS is going to lock us out from Live services similar to the same issue the xbox 360 with a custom FW have,they do a massive band of xbox 360 systems from xbox live service a couple of times a year.
Although we are not pirating any games such in the case of xbox 360 flashed with custom firmware (and yes some people are going to say some use their flashed xbox 360 to backup their games I truly don't care, save it for your mama) just modifying our phones but it seems to me as one way for them to screw us over.

1 & 2 & - I fear - even 3

homer.web said:
Hi,
I would like to start discussion, what do you thing, why is the MS still issuing tha activation codes for WP7. Nobody here could think, that in MS are so stupid, that they did not noticed, that there is successful port of WP7 to HD2 and that they are now issuing the activation keys to those phones.
I am thinking about those possible reasons:
they do not want to piss regular customers, who could have this problem with the activation
they want to have higher marketshare, so they are just overlooking the issue
they will shut all those WP7 and live ids in next update, so they do not care right now
What do you think guys?
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You do know that Microsoft and HTC along with the rest of them actually read everything posted on these XDA forms.
Why did HTC stop giving out sd cards when everybody started saying there cards were faulty!
Think about it!!!!!!
Russ

Don't be too paranoic. A few years ago Microsoft politely asked XDA not to allow the posting of custom ROM's on it's servers. NOTE: They didn't ask for discontinuation of ROM development, although they could do this legally. They just asked that the ROM's are not hosted on XDA. MS knows this site very well since Day 1.
Same goes for HTC. You look at it in another way: XDA is a perfect testing field for all sorts of things. Here you have a bunch of relatively competent enthusiasts that are ready to do almost everything to theis phones That's a very valuable resource for companies like MS and HTC.
Think about HTC. Their phones are always hackable unlike the phones from other brands. Have asked yourself why this is the case?

TheOnly1 said:
Don't be too paranoic. A few years ago Microsoft politely asked XDA not to allow the posting of custom ROM's on it's servers. NOTE: They didn't ask for discontinuation of ROM development, although they could do this legally. They just asked that the ROM's are not hosted on XDA. MS knows this site very well since Day 1.
Same goes for HTC. You look at it in another way: XDA is a perfect testing field for all sorts of things. Here you have a bunch of relatively competent enthusiasts that are ready to do almost everything to theis phones That's a very valuable resource for companies like MS and HTC.
Think about HTC. Their phones are always hackable unlike the phones from other brands. Have asked yourself why this is the case?
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That is correct. You have hit the nail on the head. HTC & Microsoft like what the XDA Devs do with these ROMs, as it will enhance them to produce better ones. Just think back a few months, they were going to release the wp7 update for the HD2. And then not? Why.. Probably to see if the Devs could do a hack. Also why would microsoft make some tools available to enhance these ROMs. Yes you are correct, they like what's being accomplished.
Its the same with the activation keys, they now have none stop requests!! But they will issue them. Will have to wait and see if the new update works, or crashes it?? I will give it a try.
Russ

A 'carphone warehouse' insider has informed me that they recieved a bulliten stating that some batches of HTC phones were shipped prior to being activated by MS.
MS apparently have a list of new activation numbers for these handsets but may not have a record of any IMEI numbers etc (he wasn't sure how much they knew about the handsets)
Basically it seems that authentication will also fail on some original HTC WP7 handsets (like the HD7) so MS are prepared to issue those with new activation numbers.
Personally, when I gave my IMEI for my HD2 to get the activation code I changed the last 3 digits and they still said 'ah..yes it's a HTC phone, is that correct?', so might be a good idea to base a made up IMEI on a real one.

The way I see it:
This community and the readers are the one who have spent their time to make their phone compatible with Microsoft so they can use MICROSOFT more. They are saving Microsoft marketing money and expanding its share and generate revenue through apps for them.
Microsoft has always been smart with this. They let the piracy of Windows in ASIA to slit through on basis of expansion of market share. Microsoft should know better than anybody else, why most of the planet use windows,
Microsoft has got the label of M$ but in all fairness, they have been nice considering the power and their dominance. They have special discounts for students, their OS provides the opportunity for people to build any system they want at very very affordable costs.
Their Windows Mobile 7 app development kit virtually has made it simple for app developers to develop apps and make money.
(obviously, they win but at the same time, reduces the production budget for start up folks)
I bought 4 copies of Windows 7 PRO x64 through student discount. Who else would give me so much discount to enable me to buy so many fantastic products?
sorry for the rant and fanboyism. I thought it was justified.

ever thought that maybe they don't know about the hd2 running wp7, my friend had to contact ms for activation for his hd7...

article: Microsoft responds to HTC HD2 Windows Phone 7 ROMs

A Microsoft spokesperson issued the following statement:
“We encourage people to use their Windows Phone as supplied by the manufacturer to ensure the best possible user experience. The scenario described is not supported at this time.”
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-responds-to-htc-hd2-windows-phone-7-roms/
I read that as open season for the moment....

People lets make some noise on there....

Mouhahahahahahahaha
EDIT: BTW, When I called for the Activation. They gave it to me (but I had already used the one provided here). Then they called me again today just to make sure everything is operating smoothly. I love their Customer service

and this is how the communtiy responded when MS said no!!! the HD2 has too many buttons.

Microsoft would be crazy not to support WP7 on HD2. Of course they encourage it now..!!

Microsoft has always been rather "friendly" with people experimenting with their products. Look at Kinect, HD2, 360, 7, etc. They are not encouraging it but they are not shutting off all doors either...
After all, it's free advertising and more people using their products...

They learn from it as well!!

“We encourage people to use their Windows Phone as supplied by the manufacturer to ensure the best possible user experience. The scenario described is not supported at this time.”
I think the phrase 'at this time' is a bit of a giveaway. In the future maybe???
Whatever people think of Microsoft, they do try to listen to the feedback given by their customers. 'Cracked' software comes with the territory for any OS developer. They could block any unlocks, but that would lead to other methods to bypass this.
No software is crack-proof.
Windows 7 activation was bypassed ages ago, and Microsoft haven't actively tried to stop this.
I'm not a huge MS fan, but hats off to them for trying to improve their software and OS year on year.....

geddeeee said:
“We encourage people to use their Windows Phone as supplied by the manufacturer to ensure the best possible user experience. The scenario described is not supported at this time.”
I think the phrase 'at this time' is a bit of a giveaway. In the future maybe???
Whatever people think of Microsoft, they do try to listen to the feedback given by their customers. 'Cracked' software comes with the territory for any OS developer. They could block any unlocks, but that would lead to other methods to bypass this.
No software is crack-proof.
Windows 7 activation was bypassed ages ago, and Microsoft haven't actively tried to stop this.
I'm not a huge MS fan, but hats off to them for trying to improve their software and OS year on year.....
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The reason is there is no need to actively fight the activation cracking. It became a battle between the people who want to crack will crack no matter what. So what they did was make it as inconvenient as possible. Even when Windows 7 was cracked, unforseen checks caused the OS to relock itself and etc. More cracks had to be made to bypass the checks that werent seen.
With Windows phone, It's very likely they they don't care as long as people are using it since you can't exactly go out and buy windows phone 7 and install it like you can with the desktop OS. Plus, who knows how much they charge the phone manufacturers if anything.
The chances are, they either don't charge anything or charge very little and expect to make up for it when people buy content from the marketplace.
The phone itself was specifically designed with the pre-release specs for WP7 and with the HD7 was released and was basically the same, it was known then that eventually someone would get WP7 working on the HD2. Microsoft probably realized it and at this point they are going to just not support anyone using the HD2 as a WP7 device which is perfectly reasonable. The HD2 has some bugs to iron out for WP7 and why should Microsoft have to be responsible for supporting it.
This however isn't going to stop idiots who run WP7 on the HD2 from possibly calling Microsoft because of WP7 issues.

Hmmmm, the link at the top has had many HD2 WP7 users reply and left their view. Be careful because to leave your own comment they ask for an email. Make sure it isnt the email you used to activate WP7.
Putting that aside it is nice to see that Microsoft are not trying to slam the doors shut. Lets see what the updates bring and then see if they mean what they say.

Hilarity ensues!
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This however isn't going to stop idiots who run WP7 on the HD2 from possibly calling Microsoft because of WP7 issues.
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Nope, the clueless will call regardless...
Honestly though, I didn't know what to think regarding MS's response. I guess I assumed they would shut it down asap. Stunning revelation for me actually and I have new found respect for them in embracing insteading of shunning the enevitable.

maybe MS did add the HD2 to the compatability list a long time ago, but forgot that it was still there, so the customer service just did the right thing.

DannyBiker said:
Microsoft has always been rather "friendly" with people experimenting with their products. Look at Kinect, HD2, 360, 7, etc. They are not encouraging it but they are not shutting off all doors either...
After all, it's free advertising and more people using their products...
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Not quiet sure how "friendly" they are with people flashing their 360 with a custom firmware unless u call "friendly" getting your ass ban from xbox live and ur account cancel

DannyBiker said:
Microsoft has always been rather "friendly" with people experimenting with their products. Look at Kinect, HD2, 360, 7, etc. They are not encouraging it but they are not shutting off all doors either
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DennisCSUF said:
Not quiet sure how "friendly" they are with people flashing their 360 with a custom firmware unless u call "friendly" getting your ass ban from xbox live and ur account cancel
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Yeah, no #%$
I thought his comparison with the 360 was a little off. And M$'s response on the Kinect hack was don't mess with it, until they backtracked and said they made it that way all along.
I guess we will see what happens after the next WP 7 release...

they ONLY reason they are not supplying wp7 for HD 2 is becuz of too many button on our HD 2.. they are stupid.. omg =.=

sooner or later they will put an end to this, and sooner or later hackers will find a way to get pass it.

It comes down to this. its all business. MS wanted a new phone to release its new OS so they got the HD7. who in their right mind in the business world would want to spend millions on a new OS and make it work on past devices before any new devices would come out? and if they make it compatible with hd2, then why not some other windows 6.5 phones? see the chain they'd have to deal with here?
Now as far as their kindness towards the crackers of wp7, that's the only way they could react. if they sound like arse's, ppl would rebel and look down at ms like they do at apple. They aren't going to release some form of fix for the crack right away, so no point in getting mad about it. in my eyes they are behind the scenes saying, have your fun..we'll block it again eventually so you have to crack it again. Meanwhile, they are saving their face, time and money to try to develop a quick fix, and letting people all get drawn into the new OS. Its brilliant. just like our developers here at XDA!

cx1 said:
A Microsoft spokesperson issued the following statement:
“We encourage people to use their Windows Phone as supplied by the manufacturer to ensure the best possible user experience. The scenario described is not supported at this time.”
http://www.winrumors.com/microsoft-responds-to-htc-hd2-windows-phone-7-roms/
I read that as open season for the moment....
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I think Tom Warren(winrumors) has got his story wrong!
"Some users have contacted Microsoft’s official support lines requesting codes after falsely claiming their device is a HTC HD7. Microsoft has been issuing codes to allow the devices to access Windows Live services."
I never claimed to microsoft that I had a HD7, I was asked why I needed a code. I told them it was for Windows Phone 7, not a HD7. They gave me the code for my WP7 what I told them, so i have not given them false info.
So Tony get your facts right.
Russ

Whither the Upgrade
nzxtneo said:
I guess we will see what happens after the next WP 7 release...
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I agree. We shall all see what our efforts and desires bring us when the next release of WP7 comes out.
We'll all get the upgrade cleanly, OTA and we'll be smiling.
The upgrade will lock (or maybe even brick) our phones at which point all the small-minded people will scream at M$ for ruining their phones, which they had already ruined by running WP7 on a non-supported phone.
Or the upgrade won't work on our phones; we'll all be on the current version. Still functional but now it's an old OS (like 6.5). And we'll be asking for new ROMs.
And hey, if it's the first item we'll get copy/paste.

LOL. If it's all about copy/paste then we should "upgrade" back to WM 6.5...It has this functionality, as well as multitasking
I'm personally staying for a while with WP7...I like "The Harvest" too much

Exciting News, George Hotz (Geohot) set sights to Jailbreak WP7

Being an old Iphone owner (I know, big mistake), I know what Geohot has bought to the Iphone community. For those who dont know, I will explain some of his achievements.
Geohot is responsible for Blackra1n and Limera1n, these tools are used to Jailbreak the new bootrom or MC model of Iphone 3gs and Iphone 4 (IOS4+), Ipod and Ipad.
Most recently the first to Jailbreak the PS3.
Over on his website, he states he is going out to buy a Windows Phone 7. In the site it also states that Sony and Apple have served court papers. With the recent Microsoft announcement indicating that Microsoft are more polite, personal and more direct approach towards the Jailbreakers, it seems Jailbreakers are all now setting their sights on WP7.
Over at ModMyI there is an article which also states Geohot as well as other Jailbreakers are setting their sights on Jailbreaking Windows Phone 7.
What does this mean for Windows Phone users, or HD2 WP7 users. Well, it will open up the device so we can side load applications on the phone instead of relying on a pc, set custom ringtones and give the phone more usability, to name just a few which has already been planned.
What with Windows bringing us the WP7 in a simular fashion to Iphone, then for me this is great news and in my opinion will make WP7 the best it can be. Cotulla (Am I worthy to mention his name) and the DFT has done wonderful work with our HD2 devices. Just imagine what will be achieved by the God, Cotulla and Geohot both working on HD2 and WP7 respectfully.
I thought I would share this news to see what the XDA community thinks.

awesome.. this should speed up WP7 mods.

Maybe he will create "better" chevron :]

That's really nice, but there are also other talented people, who are making great work in jailbreaking windows phone 7 devices.
And Geohot isn't god ^^

johnny88xxx said:
That's really nice, but there are also other talented people, who are making great work in jailbreaking windows phone 7 devices.
And Geohot isn't god ^^
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Yes, you are right and credit goes to everyone who has made what is now possible with our HD2, for making it possible.
Just for you I will reword it.

I read today that M$ has offered GeoHot a free WP7 phone if he's serious about it.

Direkts said:
Maybe he will create "better" chevron :]
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The "Better Chevron" is already here Courtesy of WinMobile God Julien Schapman (His Advanced Config Tool is part of every noteworthy WM5-6 ROM out there!), who already brought us the amazing TouchXPlorer for WP7 He is done with a software called Windows Phone 7 Device Manager, which will allow you to do basically EVERYTHING with your WP7 Device including but not limited to deploying XAP's OTA, exploring the device from the PC and similar goodies. WP7DM is not released yet, because he waits for the official MS update and doesn''t want MS to cup him off with it
Look here for more info on the subject This will be the KILLER AP once available
http://www.touchxperience.com/

Belligerance said:
I read today that M$ has offered GeoHot a free WP7 phone if he's serious about it.
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Somehow I dont think M$ will give someone a free WP7 phone to Jailbreak their own product. If it is true though then it would be interesting to learn the reason behind this. Besides, it isnt just Geohot who is moving onto WP7 Jailbreaking, there is a whole host of Jailbreakers moving onto WP7. For instance, Julien Schapman is set to release "Device Manager" which will let you do things on your phone where up to now has only been possible via PC.
The future looks bright.

This is last weeks news! He has been offered a phone by microsoft last week. It was all over the internet, how did you guys miss this?
http://twitter.com/BrandonWatson/status/27508118367772672#

mickfarr said:
This is last weeks news! He has been offered a phone by microsoft last week. It was all over the internet, how did you guys miss this?
http://twitter.com/BrandonWatson/status/27508118367772672#
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Well, I dont Twitter but the news certainly seems very exciting. "Let dev creativity flourish", I think I just wet my pants lol.

TheOnly1 said:
The "Better Chevron" is already here Courtesy of WinMobile God Julien Schapman (His Advanced Config Tool is part of every noteworthy WM5-6 ROM out there!), who already brought us the amazing TouchXPlorer for WP7 He is done with a software called Windows Phone 7 Device Manager, which will allow you to do basically EVERYTHING with your WP7 Device including but not limited to deploying XAP's OTA, exploring the device from the PC and similar goodies. WP7DM is not released yet, because he waits for the official MS update and doesn''t want MS to cup him off with it
Look here for more info on the subject This will be the KILLER AP once available
http://www.touchxperience.com/
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Wow, thanks for news m8 :]

As i used to guess, wp7 started gently but growing strongly and now making its own reputation within great graphics design, fast and smooth performance. jailbreak is on the way to us

Yes, this is last week's news but celebrity hacker seems to be trying to hack something that's already been hacked - possibly twice already?
Just goes to prove that the WM/XDA community are way ahead of those iTat laggards in so many ways...

Gustopher said:
Yes, this is last week's news but celebrity hacker seems to be trying to hack something that's already been hacked - possibly twice already?
Just goes to prove that the WM/XDA community are way ahead of those iTat laggards in so many ways...
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It is certainly true that WP7 has been Jailbroken already. However there does seem to be a lot of people having problems with doing it with Chevron.exe so if Geohot or anyone else can bring an easier way to do it then I am all for that.
There is the problem of installing xap files only from the pc as well, what we need is the ability to do it via the device as well.
WP7 is new and there are still a lot of bugs which need ironing out. Once done then it has the potential to be the best operating system on a phone, I have no doubt about that.

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It is certainly true that WP7 has been Jailbroken already. However there does seem to be a lot of people having problems with doing it with Chevron.exe so if Geohot or anyone else can bring an easier way to do it then I am all for that.
There is the problem of installing xap files only from the pc as well, what we need is the ability to do it via the device as well.
WP7 is new and there are still a lot of bugs which need ironing out. Once done then it has the potential to be the best operating system on a phone, I have no doubt about that.
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I 100% agreed with your words. One bad thing in this OS i ... chevron

He was not the first to jailbreak the iPhone, saurik did it!
But this guy is amazing!

G-ThGraf said:
He was not the first to jailbreak the iPhone, saurik did it!
But this guy is amazing!
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Geohot is responsible for BlackRa1n and Limera1n. He made the Jailbreak which many said was impossible made possible. Blackra1n for new bootrom MC model of 3GS and Limera1n for IPhone 4 or IOS4+.
Saurik is responsible for Cydia, a program which makes the most out of Jailbroken handsets. Saurik has never Jailbroken, only provide the program to run sources off to get stuff for Jailbroken phones.
zibri el Fontu was the first to Jailbreak the Iphone back in Feb 2008 by using a program called Ziphone. This Wiki explains all so I stand corrected on Geohot being the first and post 1 has been corrected.
However, this post is not about who is first or a history lesson in Iphone Jailbreaking. This post is about the XDA community leaving their views about the news that Geohot is now concentrating his efforts on WP7

Good news mate! I don't think it would take time...imo windows are more easier to hack and tweak! LOL! I will expect this hack in about a month or so!
Also read this:
Indeed; Microsoft WANT someone to jailbreak their OS..But why??????
"Some are predicting that they will just give away a phone that he will end up hacking, then that will be the end...My thought on this is "If you want stop a thief, hire a thief." And having a hacker of Geo's magnitude on their side will help them find the security issues and holes in their system."
Microsoft = SMART ASS!
http://www.rantrave.com/Rave/Geohot-Offered-Windows-Phone-7-By-Microsoft---To-Hack.aspx

Only time will tell why Microsoft has offered Geohot a WP7 handset. ModMyI indicated that there are quite a few Jailbreakers now working on WP7 so we can rest assured that good ties are on the way.

Belligerance said:
I read today that M$ has offered GeoHot a free WP7 phone if he's serious about it.
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Why do you think that's a good thing? :S
If MS is successful in becoming all buddy-buddy with the WP7 jailbreakers then they will all follow the example of the guys that made Chevron.
i.e. they will accept Microsoft's "kindness", possibly a big wad of cash too, and patch any vulnerabilities for Microsoft.
As far as I can see this "openness" towards jailbreakers is actually a bad thing for us - very intelligent on Microsoft's part, but bad for us.

Android on Windows Device

Dear all,
I just have a very old topic asked many time, on different threads but I have a reason for those who have patience to read it all,
Well friends I have read on many forms that if anybody wants android then they should buy android device, & those want windows phone should buy a windows device, BUT LET ME TELL THE NEW SMARTPHONE members,
" its not stupid to ask for dual OS on a newer device, most of us have our PC with dual OS whether win95se & win98se, or windows Me & win XP or vista or XP & win7, and Linux" so it should be promoted at an open resourse like xda forum, rather than asking to buy particular is device, its just matter of interest for experienced developers to work for these multiple OS. On one device,
I can just say a tag from one of our famous xda developers 'BePE' " ITS Our device & we are the one to decide what we wish to run on our purchased devices, we paid a handsome money to buy these devices, &its not Microsoft or apple or google or Nokia or etc to lock up our options just in the name of security and putting so many locks(developer lock, root lock, interop unlock) its a free world
For those who think its absurd I will just say that (except htc magician & HTC PDA2K)
I Have seen happen from early devices, right from k-jam to jasjam to to JasJar(aka universal) to HTC tytn to HTC diamond to HTC topaz to HTC Blackstone & finally to the legendary HTC hd2 every user who believes that user is the person who decides what he wants to run on the device, as they pay a handsome amount to buy the devices

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Dear all,
I just have a very old topic asked many time, on different threads but I have a reason for those who have patience to read it all,
Well friends I have read on many forms that if anybody wants android then they should buy android device, & those want windows phone should buy a windows device, BUT LET ME TELL THE NEW SMARTPHONE members,
" its not stupid to ask for dual OS on a newer device, most of us have our PC with dual OS whether win95se & win98se, or windows Me & win XP or vista or XP & win7, and Linux" so it should be promoted at an open resourse like xda forum, rather than asking to buy particular is device, its just matter of interest for experienced developers to work for these multiple OS. On one device,
I can just say a tag from one of our famous xda developers 'BePE' " ITS Our device & we are the one to decide what we wish to run on our purchased devices, we paid a handsome money to buy these devices, &its not Microsoft or apple or google or Nokia or etc to lock up our options just in the name of security and putting so many locks(developer lock, root lock, interop unlock) its a free world
For those who think its absurd I will just say that (except htc magician & HTC PDA2K)
I Have seen happen from early devices, right from k-jam to jasjam to to JasJar(aka universal) to HTC tytn to HTC diamond to HTC topaz to HTC Blackstone & finally to the legendary HTC hd2 every user who believes that user is the person who decides what he wants to run on the device, as they pay a handsome amount to buy the devices
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OK. What EXACTLY is your point?

Another idiot. Try port it by yourself, stop asking it. Noone cares about your request.

Android is a pesky system as far as hardware requirements are concerned. you will need new drivers for pretty much everything there is in windows phone hardware.
There is also the secure boot chip, which won't allow anything but windows phone to boot on the device. So good luck porting it.

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OK. What EXACTLY is your point?
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The point is my friend that I am not asking to do a android port for windows device and its the first time I am posting any thing regarding android on a windows forum, but as I mentioned I see lot of users asking about the dual os and the reply they get is " buy a android device"
Its absurd, previously we used to see a decent and logical explainations like " it depends on how many users are interested in such development'
Its XDA developers forum & is a decent and respectable and its been open to any idea, people must maintain the dignity of this place, rather than Dictating the other users to buy a different devices

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Another idiot. Try port it by yourself, stop asking it. Noone cares about your request.
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I know my options mr. Smart a** and I am not asking it to develop it for me, I just pointed out the matter, well if the person who asks such question was so brilliant and in a position to develop a dual os by himself than he rathar than asking in forum he/se would have posted it and made a sticky on your face.
This is a creative forum, to promote ideas, not a personal property of yours,
If it would have been that no one cares than we would still have only wm 2003se or wm5 or wm6 or em6.5 on many devices are running dual boot at present

one idea on this would be to wait for the android emulator in the SDK to get updated to windows RT, (windows RT and winphone 8 have the same kernel) so once that happens, we can run our emulator on top of winphone 8
I may be slow, but it's a start point.

Well hardware doesn't look much of a deciding factor - as these days there are many android devices powdered by krait but i believe we must port/re write drivers build new kernel etc . We need a hell lot of people with good enough know how on the technical side of things to have a constructive discussion on this subject here .

Just say no to Andoroid on Windows devices.:silly:
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sinister1 said:
Just say no to Andoroid on Windows devices.:silly:
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Seriously, I've had two Android devices; a phone and a tablet. I gave them a try because you had more options to customize and such but the OS just plain sucks ass and it's glitch just like if not worse than Windows Mobile. I use to complain about not being able to do the stuff I use to be able too on WM all the time when I switched to WP but now I don't have to worry about extrem lagg, reboots and battery drains.

nikufellow said:
Well hardware doesn't look much of a deciding factor - as these days there are many android devices powdered by krait but i believe we must port/re write drivers build new kernel etc . We need a hell lot of people with good enough know how on the technical side of things to have a constructive discussion on this subject here .
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thanks you for your generous reply, i feel that's how we at xda have been reasoning politely to our fellow members

And again a thread on the same topic and I'll give you pretty much the same reply I have given on most of those threads: it's just not very likely to happen anytime soon.
It has always taken quite a long time before HSPL has become available on WP7 devices and for some there still is none. Especially Nokias Bootloaders have been declared to hard to hack by some developers. Given that with WP8 Microsoft introduced Secure Boot which cryptographically verifies the Bootloader AND Kernel for correct signatures before loading them it has gotten quite a lot harder to do than it has been on WP7 and even though there was HSPL for WP7 devices (and devices like the HTC Titan had a practically identical brother with Android) there has never even been the hint of a succesful port.
Aside from that - many Android ports to other hardware (Windows Mobile) were either unstable or lacked lots of hardware support (Camera and GPS being the most common problems). Based on all this, the correct answer to people who bought a WP device but don't like the OS and would prefer Android can only be: sell the device and buy an Android device. You can do it today and it will work reasonably well.
The alternative would be to tell people to wait for an unlikely event (a port) to happen and then after more than a year get a system that lacks important functionality or performs badly. Therefore, with all the information currently available the only answer to give people who ask for it: if you want Android buy an Android device (or port it yourself).