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Cyanogenmod vs Modified Stock FW - which do you use?

Hey everyone,
I didn't want to be disrespectful and post in a developers thread specific to a custom firmware, nor CM, so I wanted to start this thread to get some input. There are a lot of great roms out, ARHD among others, which are modifications of the default stock Samsung firmware.
There is also the possibility to run the latest version of Android in stock AOSP by using Cyanogenmod 10.1.
Historically I have always used CM10.1 or AOKP on my devices as I switch frequently, and they have become the "brands" I know, and I like how it is not bloated. However, on buying my Note I thought it might be worth checking out stock based firmwares, especially for the IR blaster which doesn't work in CM10.1.
Has anyone here alternated between them? What made you switch to one or the other? I'm curious to get some input from others on why they made the decision they did specifically for this device.
Thanks!
EDIT: It seems most of the note features work fine in CM10.1 as well - are there any other things I am missing out on if I go CM10.1, other than the IR Blaster? I'm sure it is just a novelty that will get old quick, but still. Given I haven't used stock extensively I am not sure if I am missing out on anything else.

There are plenty of threads like this around.. I prefer stock because of the IR blast and mulit window feature.. also stock is louder with the noozxoide mod.. The reasons for CM10 is More customization, its faster than stock, Themes, and its 4.2...

Thanks - if you have links to the others I would like to give them a read, but I couldn't find any direct comparisons on XDA, especially for this tablet. The most I found was a "what firmware do you use" for the SGS2.

Im not about to look for them but here is 1...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2226379

Im not sure if cyanogenmod support the small apps ( dual or cascade ) . Im using custom stock fimware on my sgn10.1 such as Android Revolution HD, to fully use the advantage of multitasking.
But for my old handphone, I prefer cyanogenmod. You know why.

I would stick with stock. I think the cm team does agreat job but when it comes to my note 10.1 they lack ,there is something very buggy about them when it comes to 2d and 3d rendering this is the one thing I have noticed that are not based off stock roms. Things like sketch book video playback and gaming seem to fluctuate in fps but try it out and see for your self, other then that cm is a great
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Stock ROM (CMC5), only rooted, not even DeOdexed (I'd rather have speed vs. themeing).

same, rooted stock for me. CM10 is nice, but the lack of multi window is the killer for me. For me, modified roms dont have anything special to make me want to switch to them.

diggedy said:
same, rooted stock for me. CM10 is nice, but the lack of multi window is the killer for me. For me, modified roms dont have anything special to make me want to switch to them.
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This is what makes the Note 10.1 so special... Even the ICS rom it came with out of the box was close to what I wanted and needed. People only started complaining when others were getting JB and they weren't.
Add root access Samsung and it would be (almost) perfect - there's always something you want or need that won't be in the stock rom.
So saying, I'm still gonna play around with custom roms too... Never being satisfied and chasing perfection is part of being human, that's why XDA was created....

Stock is the best... !
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With cm10.1 my benchmark is 4700 ish, with stock rom I run about 6200 I think thats is proof enough witch is better not to mention the whole multi Window that I find I use a lot on my tablet unlike my phone the tablet has enough screen space to appreciate it.
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I am now running X-Note Zero Edition from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2236328
I am quite pleased with it once I ran the compatibility pack and battery mod (%). It runs quite well and I have no complaints, other than a rather bulky notification pull-up bar. Performance is pretty good. As another poster indicated, though, there is a slight delay when switching between apps using the pop-up menu. Battery life seems a bit better after a few days usage too.

smrsxn said:
Stock is the best... !
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I own many different tabblets, on this one its perfect out of the box, no wifi, no sod, no market or any other weird problems. when you do get one that runs fine then your battery drains fast. Always a trade off, so I go with stock and no root. Seems root is causing problems and now no root and no problems.

shaun298 said:
Seems root is causing problems
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Rooting any device won't ever cause any problems that aren't user error.

You could do a poll to see the usage of both (stock or CM) in numbers
I use stock, Touchwiz get's boring really fast but it's more usable than anything else (ok, almost? )
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Modded Stock (Redemption ROM) because of this:
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Modded Stock (Redemption ROM) because of this:
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Yes. This is the only reason i stick with touchwiz. If CM support the same thing, then I'll say goodbye to touchwiz like i did to my ex-Note 1.
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I used CM on all of my other devices but have had no reason to use it on the Note 10.1. I just rooted the stock ROM and have not really missed CM much on the Note.

well, i'd rather use the stock rom than the CM, i have tried the CM10.1 but you know, the Multi Windows and hand writing and the IR blaster had been missed, so, after all, i have to go back to stock rom, ít' simply, a bit slower but, well, it come with full features
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Samsung Official 4.2.2 update - June

Hi Folks!!! Samsung promised its Flagship devices Note-II and S3 a 4.2.2 update in the end of May 2013. Update includes most of the features available for Galaxy S4.
1. Real-time lingo-decoder S Translator.
2. Array of pointless camera features, such as Dual Shot, Dual Video.
3. Smart Stay.
4. Smart Scroll.
5. S Health.
6. UI Changes including the Theme and Lock Screen Modifications in launcher.
Hope, Google's I/O 2013 can also bring out Note-II, S3 fantastic features a head...Fingers crossed..
Here is the Link for Samsung Updates Page:
http://samsung-updates.com/samsung-...-galaxy-s-3-to-android-4-2-2-till-end-of-may/

phaniblaze said:
Hi Folks!!! Samsung promised its Flagship devices Note-II and S3 a 4.2.2 update in the end of May 2013. Update includes most of the features available for Galaxy S4. ]
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No, Samsung hasn't promised any such thing!
This is fan site rumour only.
Regards,
Dave
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phaniblaze said:
Hi Folks!!! Samsung promised its Flagship devices Note-II and S3 a 4.2.2 update in the end of May 2013. Update includes most of the features available for Galaxy S4.
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Not only is it NOT official, it's also already been posted.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2271835
Please learn to use the search feature.

As long as it will remove the painful wifi issues, I don't care about all the fancy bells'n'whistles.....

Anybody used firmware 4.2.2. for S4? Is it buggy or stable enough? If there are too many bugs, I prefer rather stay with the current 4.1.2 version.
Best regards,
Tom

Televinken said:
As long as it will remove the painful wifi issues, I don't care about all the fancy bells'n'whistles.....
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It's strange i have no problem with wifi on mine!

Televinken said:
As long as it will remove the painful wifi issues, I don't care about all the fancy bells'n'whistles.....
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I don't have any wifi problems with my Note II. Only the lockscreen is laggy. I hope they will fix it with 4.2.2

Note II doesn't have Smart Stay?

cool.

what about Photosphere ?

intl said:
I don't have any wifi problems with my Note II. Only the lockscreen is laggy. I hope they will fix it with 4.2.2
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I don't have any problems with mine at all... Makes me wonder what the hell you lot are doing to yours!

FloatingFatMan said:
I don't have any problems with mine at all... Makes me wonder what the hell you lot are doing to yours!
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I think that I do the same things as you do: calling, playing games :silly:
I experience the lockscreen as not smooth.

Well, it seems to affect users very randomly. There are quite a few on the forum having the "dropping wifi speed" issue, while others seem to have no wifi issues at all. And I believe there's no particular model that's more affected than others (branded, unbranded, international, etc). I've noticed the phenomenon on other web forums as well, and people are generally pretty fed up with Sammy's inability to come up with a fully working fw. Myself, I had a bit different issue when 4.1.2 was first released. The phone was most often totally unable to hook up with any wifi. After Sammy's latest fw release, that particular issue was finally adressed. However, the issue with dropping wifi speeds after random uptime, was NOT! To this day, the fw I hold in highest regards, is the initial one (4.1.1). Now I'm hoping for the 4.2.2 to be the final salvation....

We will be getting 4.2.2 in June
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I don't think camera features are'pointless' just because you are not someone who shoots frequently. If you check around, majority of this who want 4.2.2 and those who bought s4 really considered the camera improvements as a major factor.
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Yeah some of the features are really cool! And I much prefer the S4 interface with preview and everything.

Looking forward to the update ive played with the s4 camera its fun although the only thing i have used my camera for is submitting portals for ingress haha
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our phone still new,high capable and expensive for sure, so they won't forget us,they will update with latest firmware, when? who cares as long as they do
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Kremata said:
Note II doesn't have Smart Stay?
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it does have Smart Stay.

I am sure it has smart stay in the settings somewhere
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[Q] OMG Google, what have you done to Android with KitKat?!

Hey all, long time Note series owner who switched to T-Mobile from ATT last week and got myself a sexy Note 3 and in my stupidity, I downloaded Kit Kat and its been nothing but issues. I'm seeing who else is having this problem as i'm hearing across the webz that lots of people are havingp problems with Kit Kat in general.
But the biggest one is battery life. Why in the hell is Android eating up nearly half my battery life with kit Kat?? What have you done to my new Note 3 Google? It's 3 days old! My Note 2 and 1 ran and lasted longer then this!
Yes, i've done the following
1. Cleared partition cache
2. Exchanged phone at store, twice.
3. Tried with and without A-Data SD card
4. Factory reset and rebuilding after Kit Kat update
5. Forcefully stopping Knox and Lookout from running in background
6. Yanked out battery and reinstalled
Don't even get me started on the WiFi issues....
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Welcome to the club. Sure someone or Google (search) will help you, because till now thousands are having the same problems. Me not.
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HothTron said:
Hey all, long time Note series owner who switched to T-Mobile from ATT last week and got myself a sexy Note 3 and in my stupidity, I downloaded Kit Kat and its been nothing but issues. I'm seeing who else is having this problem as i'm hearing across the webz that lots of people are havingp problems with Kit Kat in general.
But the biggest one is battery life. Why in the hell is Android eating up nearly half my battery life with kit Kat?? What have you done to my new Note 3 Google? It's 3 days old! My Note 2 and 1 ran and lasted longer then this!
Yes, i've done the following
1. Cleared partition cache
2. Exchanged phone at store, twice.
3. Tried with and without A-Data SD card
4. Factory reset and rebuilding after Kit Kat update
5. Forcefully stopping Knox and Lookout from running in background
6. Yanked out battery and reinstalled
Don't even get me started on the WiFi issues....
I'd post pics from my GSAM app but being new, I am not able too
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Try to shut off some of the sensors that you would not need, better yet shut off all those sensors and turn on one by one as needed while monitoring battery usage. I did that.

nlatifolia said:
Try to shut off some of the sensors that you would not need, better yet shut off all those sensors and turn on one by one as needed while monitoring battery usage. I did that.
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The following are already off all the time cause I don't need them
Bluetooth
GPS
Eye View
Smart Scroll
Smart Stay
Air gesture
Multi window
S beam
NFC

U can also turn on CPU power saving. Most tasks will suffice with low powered cpu unless u play heavy games turn that back on.
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Root your Note 3
HothTron said:
Hey all, long time Note series owner who switched to T-Mobile from ATT last week and got myself a sexy Note 3 and in my stupidity, I downloaded Kit Kat and its been nothing but issues. I'm seeing who else is having this problem as i'm hearing across the webz that lots of people are havingp problems with Kit Kat in general.
But the biggest one is battery life. Why in the hell is Android eating up nearly half my battery life with kit Kat?? What have you done to my new Note 3 Google? It's 3 days old! My Note 2 and 1 ran and lasted longer then this!
Yes, i've done the following
1. Cleared partition cache
2. Exchanged phone at store, twice.
3. Tried with and without A-Data SD card
4. Factory reset and rebuilding after Kit Kat update
5. Forcefully stopping Knox and Lookout from running in background
6. Yanked out battery and reinstalled
Don't even get me started on the WiFi issues....
I'd post pics from my GSAM app but being new, I am not able too
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Hey don´t even think about it... now lookahere, grab yourself a beer and root your phone, download a very good custom rom and get rid of some or all the bloatware and you are good to go. May I recommend a custom rom for ya ?Try EchoRom it´s solid as rock,smooth like jelly and the battery is very good. For me I don´t have any of your problems but still good to know.

Aluyi said:
Hey don´t even think about it... now lookahere, grab yourself a beer and root your phone, download a very good custom rom and get rid of some or all the bloatware and you are good to go. May I recommend a custom rom for ya ?Try EchoRom it´s solid as rock,smooth like jelly and the battery is very good. For me I don´t have any of your problems but still good to know.
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Rooting my phone will break my contract agreement with T-Mobile and my warranty will be voided, so that is not an option

This is mine on KK NB7 germany. I root, but never install any battery saver apps.
Sent from N9005 4.4.2 NB7 rooted device

Here it is
Sent from N9005 4.4.2 NB7 rooted device

So here's my utter crap battery life thanks to Kit Kat on my second Note 3

HothTron said:
Rooting my phone will break my contract agreement with T-Mobile and my warranty will be voided, so that is not an option
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True, but if you have insurance through T-mobile, reports from customers here on XDA seem to indicate that tmo doesn't really care about root or Knox. If you don't have tmo insurance, then it's definitely wiser to wait for a KK root method.

Just turn off location under network connection in sittings & the battery will function normally
Happened to me after upgrading to kitkat

strongerman87 said:
Just turn off location under network connection in sittings & the battery will function normally
Happened to me after upgrading to kitkat
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I need that for my Bus routing app as well as client finder.

HothTron said:
So here's my utter crap battery life thanks to Kit Kat on my second Note 3
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I'm not getting Kernel (Android OS) on Stock or Custom ROM. Something is probably wrong with your configuration.
Screenshots below show my usage on a custom 4.4.2 ROM.

nicholaschum said:
I'm not getting Kernel (Android OS) on Stock or Custom ROM. Something is probably wrong with your configuration.
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Horeshiat, that IS bone stock fresh KitKat installed OTA

HothTron said:
Horeshiat, that IS bone stock fresh KitKat installed OTA
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What? I'm on custom KK ROM.

nicholaschum said:
What? I'm on custom KK ROM.
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Custom ROMs don't count for us Non root users.

http://www.thenewsreports.com/android-4-4-2-kitkat-update-affecting-device-battery-life/4182/syedas
Could be related to that?
On mine,
Android System (system server) has a cpu runtime of 158 minutes, followed by android system (surfaceflinger) at 49 minutes, followed by 607-SSP_Int at 30 minutes

I found that disabling Google Now did the trick for me. Made an unbelevable difference in battery life.
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I dont' see Google Now listed anywhere

[Q] GPS lock is awful

I'm currently on Optimus DE v2.3 with Sprint as my carrier. I've tried multiple ROMs, including stock, and the GPS is wildly inaccurate. Sometimes it'll get a good enough fix to navigate, and other times it'll get confused and freeze my location or be really inaccurate. I honestly think these problems started after the KitKat update because it wasn't quite this bad on Jelly Bean. This makes me think it's software related, not hardware related. Take a look at this picture below, I have an S3 on the left and the G2 on the right:
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DJMaj07 said:
I'm currently on Optimus DE v2.3 with Sprint as my carrier. I've tried multiple ROMs, including stock, and the GPS is wildly inaccurate. Sometimes it'll get a good enough fix to navigate, and other times it'll get confused and freeze my location or be really inaccurate. I honestly think these problems started after the KitKat update because it wasn't quite this bad on Jelly Bean. This makes me think it's software related, not hardware related. Take a look at this picture below, I have an S3 on the left and the G2 on the right:
Any ideas on possible fixes? I really don't want to downgrade to Jelly Bean just because of this. I've tried using GPS apps from the Play Store, such as GPS Status and Toolbox, GPS Test, etc. but they haven't made any difference.
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Guessing you already have it on high accuracy? Might have to flash a stock ROM and get a good GPS lock then reflash again

I had the same issue. Let me tell you absolutely no stock ROMs helped either. Oddly enough only aosp is 100% accurate and gives me zero gps issues. I'm running paranoid android and while it does have it's issues like volumes are a tad too high and there are wakelock issues.... Having the ability to use my GPS far outweighs that. I need to use GPS quite a lot.
Try out paranoid android and let me know if you see the same.
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Have you tried FasterGPS from the play store?
made a world of difference on my n5

Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdDJqFxpRy8

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I'll try all of them and report back

MeestaAytch said:
I had the same issue. Let me tell you absolutely no stock ROMs helped either. Oddly enough only aosp is 100% accurate and gives me zero gps issues. I'm running paranoid android and while it does have it's issues like volumes are a tad too high and there are wakelock issues.... Having the ability to use my GPS far outweighs that. I need to use GPS quite a lot.
Try out paranoid android and let me know if you see the same.
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Which PA version are you on? I want the exact build so I can flash it and know that I have better chances of the GPS working.
meangreenie said:
Have you tried FasterGPS from the play store?
made a world of difference on my n5
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Didn't help.
Nightbeat said:
Try this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdDJqFxpRy8
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Interesting. Had high hopes for it, but it didn't help either, or only helped marginally.

I've tried all that as well, only aosp works for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502789
That's where I got it. OP has all the info to download it for our variant. Also find out if you're LGD or JDI panel so you can use the necessary kernel.
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MeestaAytch said:
I've tried all that as well, only aosp works for me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502789
That's where I got it. OP has all the info to download it for our variant. Also find out if you're LGD or JDI panel so you can use the necessary kernel.
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Edit: Back on Stock and idk what I did differently but it's good now! Thanks everyone!

I did nothing special. I was official stock ZVC. Did root via ioroot then autorec then flashed PA and been using it for a while.
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DJMaj07 said:
Interesting. Had high hopes for it, but it didn't help either, or only helped marginally.
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It helped me alot, my GPS used to always lose signal mid road and I can't describe how frustrating it was.
This fix solved it for me, it can now stay connected for over an hour without losing signal.
Try putting a thicker layer under the antennas.

update is now available

Currently downloading for me

What's the update for, though? VR?

VR and performance enhancements per Droid Life. I'm taking, Lollipop is coming soon, so even root is achieved, that would likely go away with Lollipop.

I just checked for updates on my Note 4 and its downloading something. Not sure yet what it is.
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If anyone cares here is the changelog from the Verizon website.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/dam/support/pdf/system_update/benefits-galaxy-note-4-12-9-14.pdf

Just installed update. Wifi connection has improved.

I had no phone icon after the update reboot. Rebooted again and it came back. I use LTE exclusively so can't comment on wifi.

it's 4.4.4 not 5

Shame no advanced calling

J3ff said:
it's 4.4.4 not 5
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It already has 444. I'm going to try to avoid this as long as possible.
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Just installed. No significant difference.
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Recent apps displays quicker for me!

stronggeek said:
Recent apps displays quicker for me!
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Maybe because it restarted your phone? Would be great if it really did improve response time.
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no volte someone tell me why?
LG g3 just got it.
Just trying to understand samsung lol

From the Moderator
To all there is an existing thread regarding this update Found here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4-verizon/general/firmware-update-note-4-due-week-t2960443
Therefore .........THIS THREAD IS CLOSED..........

Possibly....but
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Maybe because it restarted your phone? Would be great if it really did improve response time.
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I thought maybe it was the placebo effect, but I've been running it for a over 3 hours since reboot and there's still much less lag than before the update.

It makes me giggle every time one of these update threads come out how people say wifi/cell signals better, this and that is better blablabla. As far as signals go unless the software running the hardware have serious flaws in it you are not going to see a difference at all. As far as signal strength goes there are so many variable that come into play was before you get anywhere near the software running the radio. Even when it comes to phone applications there is so many variable on how things run from phone to phone settings, environment, and the human using the phone being the major ones. Usually the only time you can really notice performance issues (at lease on a minor release) is if there is a serious that has been fixed or if a new issue has come up. Think the best we can hope for with this release is finding a root exploit. We have been on the previous SW version for a while now and not being able to root it so anything new is a step in the right direction to me. As far as not taking the update to each there own but in my eyes we don't have root so whats the worse that can happen.
Here is the version info on the new update:
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I will not update my phone. I will keep on this version hoping for root. Nothing good for me on this update.
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Bah.. Lol, I'm not even worried about root and whether or not it comes(any more).. I am just enjoying the stock device for the first time in years! This one, I installed the update.. If root comes, and I can't use it because I took the update: "oh well"... Lol..
From s-pen monster Note4

It makes me giggle when people try to make themselves feel better or superior by being condescending to a helpful poster by posting unhelpful and useless information. The wifi performance did improve. I measured it. Also, it's in the change log.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/dam/support/pdf/system_update/benefits-galaxy-note-4-12-9-14.pdf?null
xxxtncxxx said:
It makes me giggle every time one of these update threads come out how people say wifi/cell signals better, this and that is better blablabla. As far as signals go unless the software running the hardware have serious flaws in it you are not going to see a difference at all. As far as signal strength goes there are so many variable that come into play was before you get anywhere near the software running the radio. Even when it comes to phone applications there is so many variable on how things run from phone to phone settings, environment, and the human using the phone being the major ones. Usually the only time you can really notice performance issues (at lease on a minor release) is if there is a serious that has been fixed or if a new issue has come up. Think the best we can hope for with this release is finding a root exploit. We have been on the previous SW version for a while now and not being able to root it so anything new is a step in the right direction to me. As far as not taking the update to each there own but in my eyes we don't have root so whats the worse that can happen.
Here is the version info on the new update:
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Yea, I want root to. But tossed the coin and decided with the time that's expired thus far with no root, I am currently installing this update so to get hopefully the best experience out of my Note 4 as it is w/o root. Guess it's the chance you take...