Hi would be great if you can share info on this knox stuff as is it possible to install root and recovery without tripping knox as if in old bootloader,and which version of android contain the old bootloader for the s4 as the the phone comes with 4.2.2 (Jelly Bean) and after the rooting and recovery install can we upgrade to the latest from the old bootloader or do we need to update to the latest bootloader which has knox.
well I am asking this as in note2 it was possible to update to the latest without getting into knox **** and then loose warranty,hope someone can share light on this quick as would love to jump into this thread.:good:
Yes there is a utility by Chainfire.
I am not sure if it will affect OTAs or perhaps any official software update that gets pushed through by Kies3
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This KNOX thing is creating too much confusion. Somebody please clear it. Some say that KNOX won't allow us to root ar flash custom kernels n roms. Some are say that KNOX bootloader can be replaced. I am using GT-I9500 (4.3 official, MJ8 build number, not rooted), which i wish to root. What should i exactly do to get rid of knox?
Please help. Thanks
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I too am confused with this whole Knox stuff. But from my experience, you can Root and install custom software but it will void your warranty. I'm not sure if it's any different on the 9500 as I've got a 9505 but there is currently NO way to get rid of Knox, once you've got it, you're stuck with it.
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I too am confused with this whole Knox stuff. But from my experience, you can Root and install custom software but it will void your warranty. I'm not sure if it's any different on the 9500 as I've got a 9505 but there is currently NO way to get rid of Knox, once you've got it, you're stuck with it.
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Maby not ... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2504258 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2510867
you can root after upgrading to knox
you can also install a custom recovery
knox counter (which is not really a counter if my understanding is correct) will increase to 1, meaning you will loose the waranty
so I was running the last S4 official firmware, I root'ed it using CF auto root, then installed philz touch recoveryn than i flashed the goole edition rom from jamal
and of course I lost the waranty, hope I wont need it
philuxe said:
you can root after upgrading to knox
you can also install a custom recovery
knox counter (which is not really a counter if my understanding is correct) will increase to 1, meaning you will loose the waranty
so I was running the last S4 official firmware, I root'ed it using CF auto root, then installed philz touch recoveryn than i flashed the goole edition rom from jamal
and of course I lost the waranty, hope I wont need it
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So now that i want to root my GT-I9500 (Indian, running 4.3 stock, MJ8 firmware), will CF autoroot work?
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Hey XDA. I was seeing that Exposed will allow me to install App ops again in 4.4.2 when it goes OTA .
is there a way I can root my note3 without triping knox? I wont install a new rom or anything. ill just keep the stock firmware. as the stock firmware is pretty sorted with app ops.
Firstly what is your firmware?
And secondly have a search round, you'll see different guides and advice.
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MJ3 and above will trip knox... A little looking and reading would find this out.
As for KitKat, might be different method to root when that comes out... Might not be able to use Mobile ODIN Pro to upgade as there have been a few problems reported with the latest firmwares...
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Firstly what is your firmware?
And secondly have a search round, you'll see different guides and advice.
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hey mate.
im android 4.3
baseband is N9005XXUDMJ7
I was asking (probably in a weird way) I thought I read Knox wont trip if you just gain root! it trips Knox when you install a new ROM after you root it.??
So if I gain root, and just keep the same baseband will that be safe? as I really like app opps in 4.3 I have a public transpot timetable app that wants to read my contact list, my call logs, and other crap! If google wont police these permissions, then I'm sooo happy we have ap ops and with 4.2.2 O/S performance improves so much not to mention lots of security fixes. I would hate to disable OTA updates. and I think the stock samsung rom is so sorted. I dont see the point in installing a new O/S (maybe to debloat, which I agree there is a lot of crap, wish you could do a custom install on your stock samsung to say no I dont want all bloat)
Knox will trip when you root because you have MJ7 - no way around it currently. -
As for OTA updates, all you gotta do is flash back to stock again to make the device official.
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Hey guys my baseband is MJ7 and the build is UDMK2, does that mean I cannot root without tripping knox? I think so but not sure. So the baseband/modem has the bootloader in it or the build MK2???
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benc88 said:
Hey guys my baseband is MJ7 and the build is UDMK2, does that mean I cannot root without tripping knox? I think so but not sure. So the baseband/modem has the bootloader in it or the build MK2???
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Not necessarily 100% true, the baseband, the system and the bootloader are different things, and you CAN have an older bootloader and a newer system, but NOT the other way around.
However when you only install firmware "the Samsung way" those are kept pretty much "in sync", so in your case you can be pretty certain that you have the new bootloader and you can not root without tripping knox
Technically you could find more precise info on the bootloader with:
adb shell getprop ro.boot.bootloader
Hi, possibly a noob question, but I have searched and searched all forums but I am unable to get a complete answer.
I have my AT&T Galaxy S4 (SGH-I337) simply rooted, no custom ROMs or anything. I don't recall the method I used for rooting. Root checker confirms device is rooted. It's on Android 4.2.2. It initially showed the custom unlock icon during bootup and device status was "custom". I followed the directions from a forum and installed SuperSU which updated the SuperSU binary and now the unlock icon is gone. Device status shows "official". I was unsure of my binary flash counter since it did not show in the download mode. I purchased and installed Triangle Away, and it shows binary flash counter is 0, binary is official, system is official, so I did not run the "Reset Flash Counter". Download Mode also shows custom binary download: none current binary: Samsung official.
So now my question is can I get an OTA update in this state? I have checked for updates and there are none. Do I need to unroot to get an OTA? My wife's Galaxy s3 was also rooted, yet it got an OTA update to android 4.3 just last week while rooted. If I need to unroot my S4, what is the safest way, given the status of my device?
Thanks for your help!
I suggest you to not to get the ota. I got the ota and the result was less than impressed. If u want touchwiz 4.3 just download it and flash it. If u update to 4.3 via kies or ota it will install a knox bootloader which will not allow u to downgrade os anymore as well as void ur warranty because it keeps track of custom settings.
Triangle away will no longer be useful as it is a seperate counter beside the knox.
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rsguy said:
Hi, possibly a noob question, but I have searched and searched all forums but I am unable to get a complete answer.
I have my AT&T Galaxy S4 (SGH-I337) simply rooted, no custom ROMs or anything. I don't recall the method I used for rooting. Root checker confirms device is rooted. It's on Android 4.2.2. It initially showed the custom unlock icon during bootup and device status was "custom". I followed the directions from a forum and installed SuperSU which updated the SuperSU binary and now the unlock icon is gone. Device status shows "official". I was unsure of my binary flash counter since it did not show in the download mode. I purchased and installed Triangle Away, and it shows binary flash counter is 0, binary is official, system is official, so I did not run the "Reset Flash Counter". Download Mode also shows custom binary download: none current binary: Samsung official.
So now my question is can I get an OTA update in this state? I have checked for updates and there are none. Do I need to unroot to get an OTA? My wife's Galaxy s3 was also rooted, yet it got an OTA update to android 4.3 just last week while rooted. If I need to unroot my S4, what is the safest way, given the status of my device?
Thanks for your help!
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I suggest you to not to get the ota. I got the ota and the result was less than impressed. If u want touchwiz 4.3 just download it and flash it. If u update to 4.3 via kies or ota it will install a knox bootloader which will not allow u to downgrade os anymore as well as void ur warranty because it keeps track of custom settings.
Triangle away will no longer be useful as it is a seperate counter beside the knox.
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What anomy13 said only applies if you have the MDL firmware. Check your baseband/build number and reply with it. If it's MDL, then you can have a custom recovery and flash the StockUp ROM to update without losing the bootloaders, but if you're on MF3 then you're just as out of luck as on MK2 as the knox counter can be avoided easily and is not the same as the custom system checker.
DeadlySin9 said:
What anomy13 said only applies if you have the MDL firmware. Check your baseband/build number and reply with it. If it's MDL, then you can have a custom recovery and flash the StockUp ROM to update without losing the bootloaders, but if you're on MF3 then you're just as out of luck as on MK2 as the knox counter can be avoided easily and is not the same as the custom system checker.
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Thanks anomy13 and DeadlySin9.
Mine has a baseband version I337UCUAMDL, so I guess its the MDL firmware.
Build Number: JDQ39.I337UCUAMDL
Do you have links to instructions/files to get my phone updated to the latest android version?
Can I go from 4.2.2 straight to 4.4.2, now that it is out, or do I need to update to 4.3 first?
please point me to the right direction if you can. there is so much info out there, I don't know which set of instruction is the right one for me.
Appreciate your help!
If it were me, I'd put on a custom recovery and run a 4.4 custom rom and keep your mdl and the ability to do that. Follow this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42320391
If you upgrade your firmware there is an involved process to run a rooted rom but it's not the easiest thing to do. So it's up to you on what you want to do
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Wanting to root my brothers phone for him...but can't find any solid details on how or if its safe for those who are already on official 4.4. He upgraded via phone OTA from 4.3...and all post I find are in reference to 4.3 rooting to 4.4 ...and since root has been accomplished prior to official being rolled out...is there a method to it for those who werent game enough to try it on a nee device???
You can root but will trip knox, so no warrenty. If thats cool check out CF-auto root method and pick the apropriet 4.4 version..
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Wanting to root my brothers phone for him...but can't find any solid details on how or if its safe for those who are already on official 4.4. He upgraded via phone OTA from 4.3...and all post I find are in reference to 4.3 rooting to 4.4 ...and since root has been accomplished prior to official being rolled out...is there a method to it for those who werent game enough to try it on a nee device???
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Root is always possible. If firmware is 4.3 MJ3 & above, you are not able to have a safe rooting without tripping the KNOX. Don't worry, this trip is only for warranty. No other issue other than warranty is voided.
The easiest way to root, is always chainfire method, which is mentioned earlier ==> CF-Autoroot.
Just grab the latest file from his thread (under Note 3 original Android development). Choose a correct device for you. N9005 must use N9005, N900 must use N900, and vice versa.
Read carefully on the instructions on how to root (easy to follow and to understand).
Good luck.
Ok beauty. Thanks for your help. Not worried bout warranty. Cheers
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Just make sure reactivation lock is OFF...
Hi there,
I've got my second N7100 , and it came with the JellyBean 4.3.
I recall the old good times, when the JB 4.1.2 was definitely faster....
The new mobile has never been rooted or upgraded (Knox 0x0), and I was wondering if there is any chance to succesfully downgrade it. I just did the same with a Galaxy S3 with full success and, even f I know they are two completely different devices, it lighted my hopes to do something similar with the Note too, hopefully without increasing the knox counter.
Some info from the current firm (4.3):
AP: N7100XXUEMK9
CP: N7100XXUEMJ9
CSC: N7100ITVEMK2
Downloaded firmware (4.1.2)
N7100XXDME6_N7100ITVDMF1_ITV
(it's an Italian device).
Any info, hope, recommendation?
Thanks!
Starflex said:
Hi there,
I've got my second N7100 , and it came with the JellyBean 4.3.
I recall the old good times, when the JB 4.1.2 was definitely faster....
The new mobile has never been rooted or upgraded (Knox 0x0), and I was wondering if there is any chance to succesfully downgrade it. I just did the same with a Galaxy S3 with full success and, even f I know they are two completely different devices, it lighted my hopes to do something similar with the Note too, hopefully without increasing the knox counter.
Some info from the current firm (4.3):
AP: N7100XXUEMK9
CP: N7100XXUEMJ9
CSC: N7100ITVEMK2
Downloaded firmware (4.1.2)
N7100XXDME6_N7100ITVDMF1_ITV
(it's an Italian device).
Any info, hope, recommendation?
Thanks!
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As far as i'm aware there is currently no hope of downgrading the Note 2 from 4.3 Knox has it locked up tight.
I hunted for a long time after I was seriously underwhelmed by 4.3 and the best I could find was saferoot to root with out tripping knox.
But then you have the problem that The 4.3 "upgrade" locked the bootloader down even tighter so you can't install a custom recovery to flash a 4.1.2 based rom.
All that said there has been some amazing work done by Hashcode and Beastmode I think, who have got Safestrap into a working beta for at least the Verizon Note2. This means you can flash 4.3 based roms for now. (but only the verizon note2 just now...I think)
So there is a bit of hope. I'm running a non network branded Note2 so keeping my eye on how things are going over in the Verizon camp.
4.4.2 is available...why not flash that instead? Its a definite improvement over 4.3.
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stoney73 said:
4.4.2 is available...why not flash that instead? Its a definite improvement over 4.3.
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I'm tempted but the only way to root 4.4.2 just now WILL trip KNOX and I'm not psyched about that.
Also there's a good chance that the 4.4.2 boot loader is locked down tighter yet and we'll have to wait even longer for a work around.
I "upgraded" as soon as 4.3 was available only to find that I'd shot myself in the foot because of the change to the boot loader.
This is just personal opinion...I don't have any facts to back up the guess that the 4.4.2 boot loader is trouble...but I'm waiting for now.
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I'm tempted but the only way to root 4.4.2 just now WILL trip KNOX and I'm not psyched about that.
Also there's a good chance that the 4.4.2 boot loader is locked down tighter yet and we'll have to wait even longer for a work around.
I "upgraded" as soon as 4.3 was available only to find that I'd shot myself in the foot because of the change to the boot loader.
This is just personal opinion...I don't have any facts to back up the guess that the 4.4.2 boot loader is trouble...but I'm waiting for now.
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Good point: I have the same feeling and fear at the same time.
Before flashing the 4.4.2 I am waiting to read some positive comments, not olny based on a "first approach" enthusiasm (please let me pass this expression).
I was wondering if any Samsung service center can do the dowgrade, perhaps using some internal software / any ther things that they can use and it is not available for us, "mere mortals" ...
Hmm it's probably something that they COULD do but I don't think that they WOULD do it.
It depends on if they have a "point and shoot" Samsung flashing tool or if they could choose what version of bootloader and firmware to use separately.
Honestly I'm guessing though.
Starflex said:
Hi there,
I've got my second N7100 , and it came with the JellyBean 4.3.
I recall the old good times, when the JB 4.1.2 was definitely faster....
The new mobile has never been rooted or upgraded (Knox 0x0), and I was wondering if there is any chance to succesfully downgrade it. I just did the same with a Galaxy S3 with full success and, even f I know they are two completely different devices, it lighted my hopes to do something similar with the Note too, hopefully without increasing the knox counter.
Some info from the current firm (4.3):
AP: N7100XXUEMK9
CP: N7100XXUEMJ9
CSC: N7100ITVEMK2
Downloaded firmware (4.1.2)
N7100XXDME6_N7100ITVDMF1_ITV
(it's an Italian device).
Any info, hope, recommendation?
Thanks!
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Frist to root it. open usb debug...
this ATTACH FILE is the newest bootloader for note2 n7100..You can replace sboot.bin（find it form old rom...open it with 7zip）..
I didn't do downgrade to JB bootloader ...but.I downgrade to NA1 success...and upgrade to ND3 success.. you can have a try to downgrade bootloader.
Is it possible to downgrade nd3 bootloader?
Careful about flashing bootloaders
Don't flash anything you are not absolutely 250 % sure and wait patiently. Going up to 4.4x might block you even more without a chance to downgrade at all. Don't believe everything you read 4.4x it's a treat. .kit kat remember.
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