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So I am at work, looking at my N1, and I'll let you all tell me if you think there is a problem...Since a full charge last night, my phone has been off the dock for 2h9m ...
In that time, my battery has dropped 14% already. The biggest culprit...the display...with 59%...despite only being on for 15m. I always use it on the middle brightness setting from the power bar. Ive lost basically 1% for every minute the screen has been on. At that rate, my phone wouldn't even last 2 hours turned on.
Am I being paranoid? Do I have some rogue program sucking battery life? Your thoughts?
Everybody says controversial stuff about phones like N1 or iPhone regarding battery life. But I can tell you from experience and some conferences I have been the following tips to improve your N1 battery:
-Leave brightness to minimum. Only at street you will need to have it at medium or maximum so you can see well.
-Use 3G or wifi when available. It will save more battery than if you use edge.
-Use push, also it's better.
-User apps like TaskManager to auto kill some application that remain open.
And last thing, if you have a new N1 the battery life will improve with the use within the next 2 weeks. Also, I'm sure you are playing around more than usual if you just got it.
I hope this help you.
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Battery History
See what the figure for 'running' is, if it's high, something is stopping the phone sleeping. Should that be the case, chage the top drop down box to 'partial wake usage' and see what is to blame.
blastik said:
Everybody says controversial stuff about phones like N1 or iPhone regarding battery life. But I can tell you from experience and some conferences I have been the following tips to improve your N1 battery:
-Leave brightness to minimum. Only at street you will need to have it at medium or maximum so you can see well.
-Use 3G or wifi when available. It will save more battery than if you use edge.
-Use push, also it's better.
-User apps like TaskManager to auto kill some application that remain open.
And last thing, if you have a new N1 the battery life will improve with the use within the next 2 weeks. Also, I'm sure you are playing around more than usual if you just got it.
I hope this help you.
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This is the complete opposite of what everyone else will tell you.
Most people say to force 2G (Edge) because it'll save battery over 3G. There are reports that WiFi will use less battery than 3G though, but not as good as 2G. Google even says this on the screen where you force 2G.
Push Email will require a constant polling on the internet. Since Android is a web OS, its probably connected to the internet anyway, but you can disable Auto Sync and Background Sync to save battery (once again, Google says this on that screen).
I agree with #1 and #4 though. If you don't want to do the lowest brightness setting, try the Auto Dim, it seems to dim it a lot more than my old Windows Mobile phones did.
mindfrost82 said:
This is the complete opposite of what everyone else will tell you.
Most people say to force 2G (Edge) because it'll save battery over 3G. There are reports that WiFi will use less battery than 3G though, but not as good as 2G. Google even says this on the screen where you force 2G.
Push Email will require a constant polling on the internet. Since Android is a web OS, its probably connected to the internet anyway, but you can disable Auto Sync and Background Sync to save battery (once again, Google says this on that screen).
I agree with #1 and #4 though. If you don't want to do the lowest brightness setting, try the Auto Dim, it seems to dim it a lot more than my old Windows Mobile phones did.
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At first I had the same opinion as you have but after I watched this video it changed radically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUemfrKe65c&feature=player_embedded
mindfrost82 said:
Push Email will require a constant polling on the internet.
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No it doesn't, that's the beauty of push email. It opens a connection to the server and just sits idle.
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No it doesn't, that's the beauty of push email. It opens a connection to the server and just sits idle.
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You are right so ... it saves battery at the end.
@mindfrost82. Check out the video, it will tech you few things because most of people is wrong as I was in the past.
Battery Drain
My phone would drain 15% battery in 1 hour just being idle witht he screen off. I dialed *#*#4636#*#* and changed the option from WCDMA preffered to WCDMA only. When I don't get a 3g signal (not often) I jsut go back to that and set it to GSM only. For one reason or another the WCDMA preffered SUCKS THE BATTERY!
4 hours of the phone being idle and only 5% battery drain! DO IT! IT WORKS!
blastik said:
At first I had the same opinion as you have but after I watched this video it changed radically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUemfrKe65c&feature=player_embedded
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WTF? 3g uses LESS POWER than edge/wifi?!
My whole world just got turned upside down
Thanks for posting the video
ap3604 said:
WTF? 3g uses LESS POWER than edge/wifi?!
My whole world just got turned upside down
Thanks for posting the video
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You need to be careful of this. The point the video made is that if you download something OF SIMILAR SIZE, you will realize battery gains by virtue of the fact that what you are downloading/uploading takes exponentially less time to retrieve. The real question is, if 2 phones are both casually browsing for the same amount of time...without worrying how much information was actually transferred...one on Edge, the other on 3G...is there a difference in battery performance?
What the video said is just common sense. If I am going to send you 20 MB file and one way takes 2 minutes to download it and the other takes 10 minutes to download, then OF COURSE the 2 minute method is going to be more efficient. So you can download on Wifi where it might take x amount of time, compared to 3G where it takes 5x or edge where it takes 10x. Thus, if the file size the person is going to download is known, then of course it makes sense to tell them to wait until they are on wifi. However, many of us casually browse, on the spot, without regard to the type of connection we are on.
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You need to be careful of this. The point the video made is that if you download something OF SIMILAR SIZE, you will realize battery gains by virtue of the fact that what you are downloading/uploading takes exponentially less time to retrieve. The real question is, if 2 phones are both casually browsing for the same amount of time...without worrying how much information was actually transferred...one on Edge, the other on 3G...is there a difference in battery performance?
What the video said is just common sense. If I am going to send you 20 MB file and one way takes 2 minutes to download it and the other takes 10 minutes to download, then OF COURSE the 2 minute method is going to be more efficient. So you can download on Wifi where it might take x amount of time, compared to 3G where it takes 5x or edge where it takes 10x. Thus, if the file size the person is going to download is known, then of course it makes sense to tell them to wait until they are on wifi. However, many of us casually browse, on the spot, without regard to the type of connection we are on.
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Yeah, what you just said is right. But still you are saving battery up! Plus I wouldn't use edge at all in my N1. What's the point of having almost everything disabled so I can receive calls?
I remind you that while edge is sending/receiving data you cannot get any calls
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At first I had the same opinion as you have but after I watched this video it changed radically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUemfrKe65c&feature=player_embedded
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This is an excellent video, I highly recommend watching it if you are even remotely interested in the inner workings of our phones.
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I remind you that while edge is sending/receiving data you cannot get any calls
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Thanks, I didn't know this, for the info this thread is full of great stuff...
1) middle brightness is very bright. I'm sure you can live with 25%. Display brightness will always drain battery like mad.
2) 3G power use is usually decent. The N1 has terrible RF so it might be fighting 2G/3G. That will cost you a lot of power. If you're getting full 4 bars 3G everywhere you go even underground, you might be ok, but in low reception areas, it's gonna drain your battery struggling to boost power. Bigger issue during a call too.I notice this on my Milestone. The N1 completely fails at 3G while my Milestone fights for it. As a result the Milestone gets quite hot.
3) There are sometimes apps that run in the background. Some people insist task killers aren't necessary, but lemme give you an example. Stupid Speedtest program failed to acquire my location. After a test, you can't really exit, so you just hit home. Droidforums fanatics will always repost that link to that one thread where they talk about memory and its ok to not have to kill an app. Think again. The GPS turns on because of Speedtest and it keeps trying to acquire your location. Gotta kill it with a task manager or that thing will kill you. Or a webpage. I've heard of people going to some site that keeps refreshing. Oh good luck to your battery. Make sure you close these things. Use a task manager. Sometimes Facebook or Twitter might be the culprit even if your refresh rates are awfully long. I do not understand this phone sometimes. At times I feel that multitasking/memory management on Android gets you into more trouble than if you just flat out restricted it like in the iPhone. I'm not saying the iPhone's restrictions are the way to go, but Apple knew what it was doing. There's a reason Android phones gobble power and pull data like mad even when you aren't aware. Random apps sometimes start. Facebook widget refreshes even though the app itself is set not to auto notify and to update on its own. So with so many things running loose, its quite easy to see why your battery can go down so fast.
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You need to be careful of this. The point the video made is that if you download something OF SIMILAR SIZE, you will realize battery gains by virtue of the fact that what you are downloading/uploading takes exponentially less time to retrieve. The real question is, if 2 phones are both casually browsing for the same amount of time...without worrying how much information was actually transferred...one on Edge, the other on 3G...is there a difference in battery performance?
What the video said is just common sense. If I am going to send you 20 MB file and one way takes 2 minutes to download it and the other takes 10 minutes to download, then OF COURSE the 2 minute method is going to be more efficient. So you can download on Wifi where it might take x amount of time, compared to 3G where it takes 5x or edge where it takes 10x. Thus, if the file size the person is going to download is known, then of course it makes sense to tell them to wait until they are on wifi. However, many of us casually browse, on the spot, without regard to the type of connection we are on.
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That's exactly the idea I got from that video too, which makes sense.
dmo580 said:
1) middle brightness is very bright. I'm sure you can live with 25%. Display brightness will always drain battery like mad.
2) 3G power use is usually decent. The N1 has terrible RF so it might be fighting 2G/3G. That will cost you a lot of power. If you're getting full 4 bars 3G everywhere you go even underground, you might be ok, but in low reception areas, it's gonna drain your battery struggling to boost power. Bigger issue during a call too.I notice this on my Milestone. The N1 completely fails at 3G while my Milestone fights for it. As a result the Milestone gets quite hot.
3) There are sometimes apps that run in the background. Some people insist task killers aren't necessary, but lemme give you an example. Stupid Speedtest program failed to acquire my location. After a test, you can't really exit, so you just hit home. Droidforums fanatics will always repost that link to that one thread where they talk about memory and its ok to not have to kill an app. Think again. The GPS turns on because of Speedtest and it keeps trying to acquire your location. Gotta kill it with a task manager or that thing will kill you. Or a webpage. I've heard of people going to some site that keeps refreshing. Oh good luck to your battery. Make sure you close these things. Use a task manager. Sometimes Facebook or Twitter might be the culprit even if your refresh rates are awfully long. I do not understand this phone sometimes. At times I feel that multitasking/memory management on Android gets you into more trouble than if you just flat out restricted it like in the iPhone. I'm not saying the iPhone's restrictions are the way to go, but Apple knew what it was doing. There's a reason Android phones gobble power and pull data like mad even when you aren't aware. Random apps sometimes start. Facebook widget refreshes even though the app itself is set not to auto notify and to update on its own. So with so many things running loose, its quite easy to see why your battery can go down so fast.
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I'll second this, I never used to use a task killer as I figured it was just extra drain on the battery but after running across some rogue programs that kept running after being closed and draining the heck out of my battery I decided to install taskkiller and set it up to autokill apps when the screen goes off.
It's really easy to setup just install it from the market then use it to kill everything then flip through your homescreens make sure everything is up and running and go back into task killer and add everything there to the ignore list and turn on "autokill when screen off" now you don't ever have to worry about rogue apps killing your battery again and everything else will function normally.
blastik said:
Yeah, what you just said is right. But still you are saving battery up! Plus I wouldn't use edge at all in my N1. What's the point of having almost everything disabled so I can receive calls?
I remind you that while edge is sending/receiving data you cannot get any calls
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yes you can, the phone will stop whatever data it's processing and take the call.
seanhassars said:
yes you can, the phone will stop whatever data it's processing and take the call.
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I'm sure 100% that while phone is receiving data over edge you wont get calls. I know because I had push enabled and afterwards I was getting SMS from my carrier that I have missed calls. It might say "ey sb is trying to call you" and then stop data transfer but for sure your will miss first call if someone is trying to reach you several times.
Check it out yourself.
blastik said:
Everybody says controversial stuff about phones like N1 or iPhone regarding battery life. But I can tell you from experience and some conferences I have been the following tips to improve your N1 battery:
-Leave brightness to minimum. Only at street you will need to have it at medium or maximum so you can see well.
-Use 3G or wifi when available. It will save more battery than if you use edge.
-Use push, also it's better.
-User apps like TaskManager to auto kill some application that remain open.
And last thing, if you have a new N1 the battery life will improve with the use within the next 2 weeks. Also, I'm sure you are playing around more than usual if you just got it.
I hope this help you.
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there are a lot of people who say do not use a task killer, including google devs etc.
i used advanced task killer for the longest time, being used to needing one as a WM user before getting my n1. after reading various posts on the issue, i tested without and my battery life increased.
i use juice defender now as well to turn off the apn and wifi, based on speeds/location/etc
have it set to prefer 2g (dont get 3g at home)
screebl also setup to turn screen off when not in certain position in hand
last one is setcpu (need root for this though) underclocking the cpu (including advanced setting and profiles i have set)
lowest setting for brightness
also keep gps off unless needed
i hit about 24hr from unplug til 10% w/ heavy useage, wifi on all the time (although juicedefender handles when its on/off)
just now went to kmobs UV kernel and testing that to increase my times
i've done a 24hr test from 100%>10% based on each app i've mentioned
I think while we are on topic of battery life.. for those of you who are rooted. Here is another link that I would recommend. I used these on my HTC Dream and works great on the Nexus One. Increase your battery life 10 fold.
Your Tube: "Get Better Battery Life" by droiddog
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Under battery use it says 87%..is that normal??
In my experience of owning a G1 and an Evo (Both Android Devices) I have never seen the percentage be that high before. I just checked my Evo and my Android System is 27%. Im not sure if any harm in it being that high but it doesn't look normal to me.
i just checked again and it's now 91%
Do you have all of the bells and whistles running? Constant updates via Facebook/Twitter/Flickr/Weather/Gmail/etc? Something's got to be running in the background if Android system is that high up.
Also check you google syncing.
I dont ever use calendar, so disabling it from syncing was a good way to go.
i have all syncing off..i pretty much have everything off to save battery
I just looked at mine...pretty much all the syncing on and live wallpaper...Android System 10%.
Definitely sounds like there is an app keeping the phone awake. Also there is the chance an app could have a memory leak.
I don't like that HTC Function test program that's running. It's the GSD.Apk or something like that in /system/app. Back on the hero this app was a big battery burner. Gotta find a way to get rid of it.
great..i just checked and it's up too 95% now..i have no idea what to do..
Turn the phone off, and turn it back on...that will probably clear up the problem...
The moderator over at android central had this to say
" That means that 91% of the things that have used your battery are part of Android and not third party apps. Not that Android System is running 91% of the time. The higher the number for Android System, the better"
So i guess that explains it since i haven't been using third party apps yet..
How soon after unplugging your phone are you looking at this percentage? This number resets every time you unplug your phone. If you have just unplugged your phone and haven't done much with it than the android system percentage will naturally be high.
No Real Solution but helped me quite a bit
Sooo... I believe i was having the same problem. It was accompanied by an extremely high temperature (processor (140F) and chip (120F) ). ((I scaled the processor down to 600mhz and that only marginally decreased the temperature 5-10*)). I saw someone mention a memory leak... well my widget says that i still have a healthy 383MB of ram available and it seems to be stable at around that same figure. I also noticed that in the status bar the data (up) (down) arrows (underneath the H+) showed a download flash 4x then showed a constant arrow like i was downloading something (down arrow, 2 sec, down arrow, 2 sec, down arrow, 2 sec, down arrow, 2 sec, then a constant arrow down). My Network traffic widget showed that I was downloading at intervals of 1sec at a rate of 1kbs. This continued until my battery died or I turned on the wifi and connected to a network.
My solution that yielded a (checking now) 24% battery drain from Android System (from a previous 70-85%).
I deleted a great few apps (most recent first of course) but the thing that showed the most benefit was to change my gmail password on a computer and dissallow my android to log-in to gmail.
I believe it was/is a syncing error and a bug in the android system itsself.
also facebook has been blamed for increasing Android system battery usage.
I went the extra mile and deleted linked in, facebook, and twitter. as well as deleted my moto-blur accounts. As i said im only down to 24% which is still very high for this process (from my experience).
I hope my trials, findings and long-windedness helps someone and sorry this is such a long post.
I still have no real solution. I'm here looking for answers too!
thanks in advance
SRY android dev probably just fed you some BS
I'm no mod, but when the operating system uses all your resources thats NOT a good operating system.
a smooth running and new android device should use only a small percentage on Android System, like were talking 5% or less. not 90%
that "mod" told you that the operating system was doing all your phone could do without any 3rd party apps.... ERRONIOUS!
Again no disrespect if im wrong (im no DEV)
But durn that sounds fishy
jayv1717 said:
Under battery use it says 87%..is that normal??
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I'm assuming your running an aosp gingerbread rom? There's really nothing you can do about it
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I've been trying loads of things to try to make things speed up a bit more with my rooted Bell Atrix running the new Telstra FW, and the 4 things I've found that seem to improve the UI speed that do not require rooting, are as follows:
1. On a fresh reset, use the Atrix to format both internal and external SD cards. For some reason after doing this on a fresh reset, it seemed to speed up the "instant on" when the phone is asleep and you press the fingerprint scanner on/off button to wake the phone. Of course, remember to back up your external SD to your PC prior to doing this.
2. Setting the Wifi to be always on (never sleep when its on).
3. Don't use ATK task killer
4. Don't use SetCPU
Even with all my apps reloaded, and loads of use over the last few days, I found these things to cut the usual 3-5 second wake time to between 1-2 seconds, and for some reason the general UI speed was much better (even using Blur)
I'd be interested to hear any feedback on people who are thinking about starting fresh and resetting their Atrix, and trying the above to compare to what they had.
I'm rocking the telstra with all the blur and bloat deleted not frozen. I deleted the browser because it doesn't let me download apps from the internet. I replaced it with dolphin browser. Deleted email and various other apps like car dock, etc. I underclock to 800 for screen off. I literally replaced every transition animation with an app from jrummy (root required) I use automemkiller to allow more memory for empty apps and honestly I have a lwp running and constant usage and I last 16 hours on a charge and use it constantly! Death to all lag.
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My phone has never required more then a second to wake. I see nothing in the list that is even sleep related - and leaving wifi connected all the time is a battery drain.
Sorry, but i only see placebo effect.
chromedome00 said:
My phone has never required more then a second to wake. I see nothing in the list that is even sleep related - and leaving wifi connected all the time is a battery drain.
Sorry, but i only see placebo effect.
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If you are around Wifi more than not, it is best to keep this on "Never"... The Wifi uses way less battery than 3G/4G. Having your phone update using wifi will save battery for sure.
chromedome00 said:
My phone has never required more then a second to wake. I see nothing in the list that is even sleep related - and leaving wifi connected all the time is a battery drain.
Sorry, but i only see placebo effect.
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You must have one special Atrix . The only time mine wakes within 1 second, is within 10-20 seconds of the screen going blank. If its been sleeping for more than 1 minute, it takes at least 3 seconds to wake.
I updated my phone to Bell Gingerbread 2.3.4 last week but it seems to me Froyo was much more responsive and was simply... better!
Here are the problems I've been dealing with:
-Scrolling the front pages from left to right on the home screens are not as fluid and the screen touch response seems it has a certain delay compared to Froyo.
-In the Music app, when you are in an Artist's album and you want to go back to the previous page (by clicking the back button), it directs you straight to the first artist on your list.
-The battery runs out faster
-The phone always has trouble getting 3G data connection when it enters an area that has network after being in an area without it.
-Updating apps from the market is soooo much slower than it used to be and it always messes up because the same app is downloading 3, 4, 5 times simultaneously...
-In the Gallery app, when in Landscape mode, let's say you scroll from right to left, you have to wait till the animation stops so that you scroll back the other way... If it hasn't stopped scrolling, it will not respond by swiping the other way.
-The start-up takes FOREVER to load and it always gets stuck about a minute or two in that "Dual-core Technology" logo...
-When calling someone, if you press the power button to avoid false contact between your face and the screen, when you finish talking and you want to press "End Call", you have to push the power button once more to re-open the screen.
I understand all those points are minor problems, but they're numerous and it upsets me that a phone with this much hardware capability isn't getting the proper update. I dunno, I just want to know if you guys have been dealing these problems as well, and if you know what I can do to fix them, it would be great!
Thanks in advance!!
Gjm127 said:
I updated my phone to Bell Gingerbread 2.3.4 last week but it seems to me Froyo was much more responsive and was simply... better!
Here are the problems I've been dealing with:
-Scrolling the front pages from left to right on the home screens are not as fluid and the screen touch response seems it has a certain delay compared to Froyo.
-In the Music app, when you are in an Artist's album and you want to go back to the previous page (by clicking the back button), it directs you straight to the first artist on your list.
-The battery runs out faster
-The phone always has trouble getting 3G data connection when it enters an area that has network after being in an area without it.
-Updating apps from the market is soooo much slower than it used to be and it always messes up because the same app is downloading 3, 4, 5 times simultaneously...
-In the Gallery app, when in Landscape mode, let's say you scroll from right to left, you have to wait till the animation stops so that you scroll back the other way... If it hasn't stopped scrolling, it will not respond by swiping the other way.
-The start-up takes FOREVER to load and it always gets stuck about a minute or two in that "Dual-core Technology" logo...
-When calling someone, if you press the power button to avoid false contact between your face and the screen, when you finish talking and you want to press "End Call", you have to push the power button once more to re-open the screen.
I understand all those points are minor problems, but they're numerous and it upsets me that a phone with this much hardware capability isn't getting the proper update. I dunno, I just want to know if you guys have been dealing these problems as well, and if you know what I can do to fix them, it would be great!
Thanks in advance!!
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the most upsetting one is the battery life. I could go for 2-3 days without recharging the phone. Now I can barely do 1 day. And I'm a really light user. I dont have data plan and just use wi-fi where availiable. I think its super weird that this update made the phone worse.
The only saving grace is the addition of zoom on camera and separate notification cancel. Thats about it.
I have not been facing any of these issues. For the battery, completely drain the battery until it dies and then charge it to 100% without unplugging it. Also, if you are a light user and are not on the phone all the time, I suggest using Maximum Battery Saver as the battery mode. Right now, I am running Bell GB with both suggestions, have 40% battery remaining and have been on the phone for over 16 hours on medium usage. I actually like the update quite a bit.
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I have not been facing any of these issues. For the battery, completely drain the battery until it dies and then charge it to 100% without unplugging it. Also, if you are a light user and are not on the phone all the time, I suggest using Maximum Battery Saver as the battery mode. Right now, I am running Bell GB with both suggestions, have 40% battery remaining and have been on the phone for over 16 hours on medium usage. I actually like the update quite a bit.
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thanks I'll drain it today.
Does anyone else have these issues aswell? What can I do to fix them??
How long are you suppose to get with the ATRIX battery.
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Doing a factory data reset after an upgrade fixes 99% of the problems
TheMan0790 said:
I have not been facing any of these issues. For the battery, completely drain the battery until it dies and then charge it to 100% without unplugging it. Also, if you are a light user and are not on the phone all the time, I suggest using Maximum Battery Saver as the battery mode. Right now, I am running Bell GB with both suggestions, have 40% battery remaining and have been on the phone for over 16 hours on medium usage. I actually like the update quite a bit.
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even i have bitter experience with GB update.especially because battery goes down very fast. its lasts half the time it used to when i had Froyo.
i have tried many roms and drained battery couple of times as well. no help . i think i will go back to froyo
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Doing a factory data reset after an upgrade fixes 99% of the problems
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How sure are you?? Can you suggest a good backup app?
Gjm127 said:
How sure are you?? Can you suggest a good backup app?
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It's common knowledge. A lot of cache/files get left behind after an update that are no longer needed, or old copies when it should have new ones.
It's always recommended after you do an update from either OTA or Custom Rom that you do a factory reset to clear out any old data that might cause issues.
Titanium is one of the best. Doesn't backup your SMS though, so you'll need another app for that. And only restore the apps you've downloaded and their data. Don't restore any system apps or you'll be back in the same situation or worse.
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It's common knowledge. A lot of cache/files get left behind after an update that are no longer needed, or old copies when it should have new ones.
It's always recommended after you do an update from either OTA or Custom Rom that you do a factory reset to clear out any old data that might cause issues.
Titanium is one of the best. Doesn't backup your SMS though, so you'll need another app for that. And only restore the apps you've downloaded and their data. Don't restore any system apps or you'll be back in the same situation or worse.
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If Titanium is "one of the best" then what's better?... (unless you are talking about Nandroid)
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Gjm127 said:
How sure are you?? Can you suggest a good backup app?
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For backing up sms, call logs, contacts, bookmarks etc i use mybackup pro.
I dont back up my apps i just redownload them one by one as i prefer doing fresh install on a new system upgrade
Zero-K said:
Titanium is one of the best. Doesn't backup your SMS though, so you'll need another app for that. And only restore the apps you've downloaded and their data. Don't restore any system apps or you'll be back in the same situation or worse.
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...and clear any security settings (fingerprint, screen lock etc) and don't restore data relating to those. I make a mess of my phone just doing a blind batch "restore all apps and data" in TB.
J252 said:
...and clear any security settings (fingerprint, screen lock etc) and don't restore data relating to those. I make a mess of my phone just doing a blind "restore all apps and system" in TB.
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Don't use "system" backup feature on TiBu unless you are going back to the exact same ROM...
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I've got a problem with my S8 which is running latest, official, non-rooted XEO firmware. Specifically, it uses battery like crazy and heats up whilst doing nothing. This smells like a virus / malware infection or just... well, the last update was in December 2021 so it's also possible some system component is wonky OR... <shivers> some rootkit? I'm generally rather careful when installing apps, most of which will be coming in from official sources (Google Store) or at least fairly trusted sources.
Every so often I'll get a warning that a system component is using too much CPU and I should restart the phone - which obviously doesn't help at all. Also the battery drain is reported primarily by Android System and System Core (29 and 15% respectively). Battery usage stats generally don't add up because the listings don't add up to 100%. :/
I know the S8 is an old phone... and I know there are probably steps I should take prior to asking here - like a factory reset. But I'm really sceptical of doing a factory reset simply because I've got so much stuff on the phone that, while not impossible to backup, is certainly annoying (authenticator or banking apps for example - and I don't think the standard backup tools like those available from Google or Samsung backup such apps).
So I'd rather try some solutions or methods of dealing with the damned thing without resetting the phone first. Is there anything I can do?
You need to find the root cause. It may be a 3rd party using one or more of the Samsung system apps running under Android services, lol Legend for there are many... all lumped together.
A firewall with logging can help. Karma Firewall is what I use, uses almost no battery. Being rooted you have more options... use them.
Malware is always a possibility.
3rd party apps can cause hell. I don't allow any social media apps on the phone, ever.
Try in safe mode... if things calm down it's likely a 3rd party app. If so start going through the installed apps.
Clear system cache.
blackhawk said:
You need to find the root cause. It may be a 3rd party using one or more of the Samsung system apps running under Android services, lol Legend for there are many... all lumped together.
A firewall with logging can help. Karma Firewall is what I use, uses almost no battery.
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Will try that, thanks!
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Being rooted you have more options... use them.
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The phone is NON-rooted.
blackhawk said:
Malware is always a possibility.
3rd party apps can cause hell. I don't allow any social media apps on the phone, ever.
Try in safe mode... if things calm down it's likely a 3rd party app. If so start going through the installed apps.
Clear system cache.
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Oh, safe mode! I'll try that too! Thanks!
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Will try that, thanks!
The phone is NON-rooted.
Oh, safe mode! I'll try that too! Thanks!
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Sorry about the root thing, my bad.
If you're running on Android 9 or lower Karma Firewall's logging feature is fully active otherwise not. Samsung store>Galaxy Labs> Battery Tracker can be useful.
I use Accubattery's history page to get a quick idea of charge/discharge rates.
I use Device Care>storage>clean as well.
Make sure no cloud apps are running in the background.
Update: in safe mode the phone doesn't heat up and battery usage seems normal. So it's probably some app.
Alas, the firewall wasn't very helpful - it seemed that apps that attempted accessing the internet were your usual suspects - Play Store, One Drive or other sync apps, Vanced.
Any other suggestions on possibly nailing down the culprit?
PS. I've also decided to send Samsung an error report via the Members app - I don't know what their reply times are and I honestly don't expect much from them but who knows? Perhaps they'll come through.
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Update: in safe mode the phone doesn't heat up and battery usage seems normal. So it's probably some app.
Alas, the firewall wasn't very helpful - it seemed that apps that attempted accessing the internet were your usual suspects - Play Store, One Drive or other sync apps, Vanced.
Any other suggestions on possibly nailing down the culprit?
PS. I've also decided to send Samsung an error report via the Members app - I don't know what their reply times are and I honestly don't expect much from them but who knows? Perhaps they'll come through.
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Why other than maybe text messages is anything syncing? Take out the trash and go from there.
The ones that are connecting every minute or more when not open are prime suspects.
Some apps like Brave browser need to be closed out when not in use or they eat battery.
You can also try a hard reboot.
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I left the phone in safe mode overnight. I mean, it seemed like things were better, so at least I'd have a stable phone.
Well, in the morning I was greeted with a severely depleted battery (went from 100 to 40 in the span of 6 hours) and I got the "high CPU usage" warning popup. The phone wasn't as hot to the touch tho.
So... Whatever is going on seems to happen also in safe mode, albeit less often? Or perhaps it's less "severe" where it doesn't heat up the phone but the drain is still there? But since safe mode is affected it's probably NOT an app, right?
At this point I'm completely baffled. Any other ideas?
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Update!
I left the phone in safe mode overnight. I mean, it seemed like things were better, so at least I'd have a stable phone.
Well, in the morning I was greeted with a severely depleted battery (went from 100 to 40 in the span of 6 hours) and I got the "high CPU usage" warning popup. The phone wasn't as hot to the touch tho.
So... Whatever is going on seems to happen also in safe mode, albeit less often? Or perhaps it's less "severe" where it doesn't heat up the phone but the drain is still there? But since safe mode is affected it's probably NOT an app, right?
At this point I'm completely baffled. Any other ideas?
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Hard reset... hold power button until it powers off.
Try temporarily disabling Google play Services at night, see what that does.
OK, I'm baffled. I feel like I didn't really do anything but the phone is now running fine. Battery drain now might be better than ever!
Warms up on usage, obviously, but when idle it's nice and cool and battery drain seems minimal. I'll... leave it for a few days to see how this develops. It's very difficult to tell what the heck's the case here.
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OK, I'm baffled. I feel like I didn't really do anything but the phone is now running fine. Battery drain now might be better than ever!
Warms up on usage, obviously, but when idle it's nice and cool and battery drain seems minimal. I'll... leave it for a few days to see how this develops. It's very difficult to tell what the heck's the case here.
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Retrace what you did. Reason being you may need to do it again. Really most times all you need to do is just "play" with it a bit (a lot). Almost impossible to crash a stock load, so explore and learn by playing with it. You are what you load and download; be careful with 3rd party apps they are the biggest potential hazards.
Once you have a fast, stable OS that's fulfilling its mission, let it be. Don't update or upgrade it.
Updates can and do break Sammy's. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current load is over 2yo. Rock solid stable and it runs like a bat out of hell with minimal maintenance. Security isn't an issue.
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Retrace what you did. Reason being you may need to do it again. Really most times all you need to do is just "play" with it a bit (a lot). Almost impossible to crash a stock load, so explore and learn by playing with it. You are what you load and download; be careful with 3rd party apps they are the biggest potential hazards.
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I have a suspicion this might have been some Samsung app (my bet's on Bixby) since those are likely still able to run in Safe Mode that got updated and then fixed...? Does that make sense?
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Once you have a fast, stable OS that's fulfilling its mission, let it be. Don't update or upgrade it.
Updates can and do break Sammy's. This N10+ is still running on Pie, current load is over 2yo. Rock solid stable and it runs like a bat out of hell with minimal maintenance. Security isn't an issue.
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I'm concerned about the last bit. I mean, upgrading to a new Android version is one thing but security updates are common, no?
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I have a suspicion this might have been some Samsung app (my bet's on Bixby) since those are likely still able to run in Safe Mode that got updated and then fixed...? Does that make sense?
I'm concerned about the last bit. I mean, upgrading to a new Android version is one thing but security updates are common, no?
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Kill wittle bixby... you read it EULA?☠
It's more than one apk though. Takes a while to optimize a Sammy the first time
Well... if it's set up and used right Android 9 will run securely in the real world. No saving dumb bunnies anyway; they'll still get tagged even with the latest version
The proof is in my hand. Loaded over 2+ years ago and this N10+ UI version 1.5 is running clean like a bat out of hell. If I do get malware I can't erraticate in an hour or so, factory reset and change passwords.
My data is redundantly backed* up 4+ times, plus the onboard SD card used as a data drive. I'm ready to reload right now if I have to...
A malware forced reload is still less trouble than constantly updating and having the updates screw things up. That means more troubleshooting, finding new work arounds and still maybe needing a factory reset on top of all that. No.
Not vaxed either... not buying the hype.
*critical data must be redundantly backed up or sooner or latter it will likely be lost. Never encrypt data drives as you are the most likely to be locked out!
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Kill wittle bixby... you read it EULA?☠
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Oh I'd love that - but it's a system app and removing those without root is kind of... impossible? I can look into disabling it completely however - I never use it anyway. Since it's not a single app - any chance you got a link to the list of apps that need manual disabling?
Anyway, I'm still getting those damned warnings. The phone isn't constantly hot however, which is some improvement.
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Oh I'd love that - but it's a system app and removing those without root is kind of... impossible? I can look into disabling it completely however - I never use it anyway. Since it's not a single app - any chance you got a link to the list of apps that need manual disabling?
Anyway, I'm still getting those damned warnings. The phone isn't constantly hot however, which is some improvement.
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Package Disabler kills bixby proper.
You can also disable it with an adb edit. That's one of the first things I do.
Bixby is a hot mess best dump along the interstate... like Google Assistant it needs external servers for many of its functions. I may change my mind but it's eula is like eating dry hardtack for breakfast.