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I installed Spare Parts and saw that my phone was never sleeping, even though it was on standby all the time.
This was caused by the location by antenna feature.
Ever since i unchecked that feature i've had around 50-60 hours of uptime, with a few calls and a lot of texts.
hope this helps alot others
With the new firmware the problem of battery dissapears completely
There is a known issue with network location detection in android 1.6. I had the same issue with my galaxy and it was solved. Now that we have root, we can hopefully do the same.
Also, br aware that I have found spare parts to actually stop the phone from sleeping, as well as tapatalk. I suggest rebooting after using either program.
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There is a known issue with network location detection in android 1.6. I had the same issue with my galaxy and it was solved. Now that we have root, we can hopefully do the same.
Also, br aware that I have found spare parts to actually stop the phone from sleeping, as well as tapatalk. I suggest rebooting after using either program.
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Actually that issue is fixed in the latest update so it's already fixed without needing root.
Which firmware? I know I'm still experiencing it.
RBA020 solved the battery issues for me.
Where in spare parts does it show you if your phone has been sleeping?
you don't need spare parts. Just dial *#*#4636#*#* and click battery history and then the running bar.
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This was caused by the location by antenna feature.
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I hope this means that under Location, you had Wireless Networks and Assisted GPS enabled.
One question tho... how did you isolate this feature as the one that was keeping the system awake?
I just found that my phone has been running most of the time, I see Running at 100% under Battery History. Then I select Partial Wake usage and see Android System has the largest share. But what part of Android System? how does one get to know?
I know from having a Samsung galaxy and being part of the androidforums community that was going nuts until Simone found a bug report with Google saying that network location was stopping devices from sleeping. We had root so a Dev applied a patch to services.odex and voila! Phones were napping again.
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I know from having a Samsung galaxy and being part of the androidforums community that was going nuts until Simone found a bug report with Google saying that network location was stopping devices from sleeping. We had root so a Dev applied a patch to services.odex and voila! Phones were napping again.
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Hmm... time to give this a try... so is it just Wireless Network or also AGPS that causes this problem?
I hope I can still leave GPS turned on?
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Didn't know that there was an XDA App till I saw your sig. Looks like its worth a try since its free!!
Update after turning location off completely
Well first run with all location methods disabled (I can still enable GPS quickly via a widget when I need to use it)... the battery performance is up phenomenally!!
I charged fully before going to bed last night, then kept the phone unplugged... woke up and found the battery was at 97%. This has never happened to me.
Ok, one thing tho, I use Juice Defender with night time schedule, so my wifi and 3G were off during most of the night. Anyways, its been around 3 hours since I woke up, and I've been using the phone on and off to do some browsing.
The battery is now at 93%.
I do not use any other aid other than Juice Defender... no task killers, no startup editors. Will update on how the rest of the day progresses.
EDIT: my thanks to Inebriatef and adrianoftyriel for pointing this out.
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I hope this means that under Location, you had Wireless Networks and Assisted GPS enabled.
One question tho... how did you isolate this feature as the one that was keeping the system awake?
I just found that my phone has been running most of the time, I see Running at 100% under Battery History. Then I select Partial Wake usage and see Android System has the largest share. But what part of Android System? how does one get to know?
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I too would like to hear a bit more. Could the OP please elaborate?
I'm running the latest FW and although my battery life increased exponentially, I find that it's not going to sleep anymore! I had close to 50 hours battery life and now I repeat everything to get just under 20 hours.
I don't use task killers and crap anymore, just before I put my phone away. If I don't, I have a trillion programs running with like 40mb of RAM free. Although I understand this is Linux based, these programs are RUNNING and not idle. All my **** is draining the battery again after a clean reinstall of everything. What a bummer.
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I too would like to hear a bit more. Could the OP please elaborate?
I'm running the latest FW and although my battery life increased exponentially, I find that it's not going to sleep anymore! I had close to 50 hours battery life and now I repeat everything to get just under 20 hours.
I don't use task killers and crap anymore, just before I put my phone away. If I don't, I have a trillion programs running with like 40mb of RAM free. Although I understand this is Linux based, these programs are RUNNING and not idle. All my **** is draining the battery again after a clean reinstall of everything. What a bummer.
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@bongd, by latest FW, do you mean the R2BA020? If yes, then you shouldn't be affected by the problem being reported here. I'm still on R1FB001, which apparently has this Android 1.6 bug related to location.
As in my case, simply by disabling location settings (even though this reports that network location is the culprit, I disabled them all), the phone is now able to suspend itself and basically consume very little battery in standby.
Personally, I dont see any issue with lot of applications running and having little RAM left because I trust the Android system to manage it efficiently. Furthermore, the RAM on these phones is not as fast as what you would see typically on desktop systems, so it actually helps having things around in memory rather than aggressively cleaning it out. Checkout this link to understand a bit more about Android task management features: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
I suggest you use Spare Parts to isolate your battery drain, there might be some app that is misbehaving and hogging systems resources. Also turning off very frequent updates/refresh intervals in some applications is the way forward.
I found through trial and error that fancy widgets keeps my phone from sleeping.sad cause I really want to use it.
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@bongd, by latest FW, do you mean the R2BA020? If yes, then you shouldn't be affected by the problem being reported here. I'm still on R1FB001, which apparently has this Android 1.6 bug related to location.
As in my case, simply by disabling location settings (even though this reports that network location is the culprit, I disabled them all), the phone is now able to suspend itself and basically consume very little battery in standby.
Personally, I dont see any issue with lot of applications running and having little RAM left because I trust the Android system to manage it efficiently. Furthermore, the RAM on these phones is not as fast as what you would see typically on desktop systems, so it actually helps having things around in memory rather than aggressively cleaning it out. Checkout this link to understand a bit more about Android task management features: http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
I suggest you use Spare Parts to isolate your battery drain, there might be some app that is misbehaving and hogging systems resources. Also turning off very frequent updates/refresh intervals in some applications is the way forward.
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Thanks, j4mm3r. I am using R2BA020. It looks like I have some diagnostic troubleshooting to do when I get home.
Sitting here at work charging my phone, it isn't loading craploads of programs anymore. And it seems to be sleeping okay. I'll play around when I have some free time.
Fixed my problem big time
Hey guys,
I just wanted to throw my two cents into the pot.
OK – so after experimenting with Task Killers, Task Managers, Spare Parts, Juice Defender, etc. I came to the conclusion that they (for the most part) did more bad than good. It was getting to the point that I was just starting to accept that “The X10 just has ****ty battery life” end of story.
I also read in a Google released post on the web, that there are a number of reasons that Task Killers, etc. are actually not required to end tasks. Android actually has a fairly intelligent and systematic approach to killing tasks that are not being used. I haven’t used any sort of proprietary battery saver, task ender, startup cleaner, etc. and I’ve been having the best phone performance since I got the headset.
The time now (Eastern Standard) is 3:30pm on Monday. The last time I charged my phone was Saturday evening at 6pm, and currently I am showing 24% battery remaining. Let those numbers do the talking!
My settings are:
Wi-Fi always off unless I am going to be actively using it (browsing)
Using Phone info, I change WCDMA Preferred to GSM Only (enables 2g instead of 3g without disabling data altogether)
GPS always off
Screen settings, brightness, etc. I believe have a much smaller effect than people tend to believe. The SINGLE BIGGEST factors for me, and noticing this huge increase in battery life are:
Settings -> About Phone -> Software Update -> UNCHECK Automatic Search (this constantly searches the market, etc. for app updates and what not)
Cycle power immediately after charging. Once my phone completes its charge, I turn off and then on again.
I hope that some people can enjoy moderately extended battery life as I have. I am SO ecstatic to be at HOUR 43 and still at 20%+
Worth mentioning also that I am on Rogers (Canada) and have not received any updates, so this extended battery life is not a result of a firmware update.
How I Fixed My Batter Life Problem
My Incredible would run dead in about 4 hrs doing nothing. I finally dug into several "task killer" programs and found that about 20 - 30 apps were invisibily running in the background constantly. As soon as I permanently killed them, my battery life went to normal. I can now get about 2 days of normal use on 1 charge. Even a day of pretty heavy use will last almost all day.
So for me, it was all the new apps I installed when I first got the phone that were running in the background. The free "task killer" program was not showing them. I finally found the app called "System Panel." It was the ONLY app that would show me all the "invisible" apps that were still running invisibly in the background and let me kill them. Once I killed them with System Panel, they stayed dead and the free "task killer" program could auto-kill them from them on.
Not sure why the free programs could not see the rogue apps, but my battery life is GREAT now.
Inebriatef said:
I installed Spare Parts and saw that my phone was never sleeping, even though it was on standby all the time.
This was caused by the location by antenna feature.
Ever since i unchecked that feature i've had around 50-60 hours of uptime, with a few calls and a lot of texts.
hope this helps alot others
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What do you mean caused by the location of the antenna feature?
Where is this option to uncheck this feature.
Thanks dear.
Vatis
I'm running R2BA023 and I am struggling to get a full day from the phone at the moment. It normally lasts around 12 hours and then its flat.
However, I ran the Telenor R2BA020 update and I manage to get a full day with ease.
I have just done a clean install of R2BA023 Generic UK "root" edtion and going to see how I get on. What I did notice before is that the phone was not returning to a idle state.
I wasn't sure where to put this but any help would be appreciated. Lately my phone gets extremely hot, I'm running froyo 2.2 latest built. And I'm running launcher pro home replacement replacement with only 5 screens. And I have battery indicator telling me right now that the temp of my phone is 105.1F. How do I find out which app(s) is making my phone heat up?
Try looking at what's eating your battery then go from there.
It shows my display at 86% and android system at 8% those are the highest using battery...my backlight is at 50% brightness...would Anyone recommend having that set to auto brightness?
i have my n1 set to auto and it still gets pretty hot. i have not had any issues with it over heating though so maybe give it a try. also, are you running a task killer? ive got security set to low, and it auto kills apps every 30 minutes or so. it seems to help out a bit, saves battery too.
I've had this problem since I updated to Froyo.
After a while, the data connection seems to be used -constantly-
and I really mean -constantly-, I'm also running Launcher Pro - So maybe there's something there?
As an earlier post said, the Screen appears to be the top "battery" user when looking at the battery stats (I've found these to be EXTREMELY unreliable though )
My screen is set to Auto, so I doubt that's where the problem is.
Also, in my case, it's the very bottom of the phone that gets hot (I believe that's where the antenna / actual chipset for the radio is?)
One thing I've found that "helps" so far, is to disable account sync, then re-enable it. Apparently that's what's causing an overuse of 3G for me. This only helps in some cases though.
Usually I just turn off data completely for a few seconds and re-enable it.
Any "tips" on what could be using that much data all the time (Maybe it's not even using the data, but just somehow trying to keep a single connection alive?) would be greatly appreciated. I'm honestly not sure here!
Any ways, that's what I've found out "so far".
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Thanks for all the feedback and tips I will try all these things. But I agree and ever since I upgraded to froyo it gets extremely hot. And I'm running launcher pro but I tested it with the stock launcher and still gets hot....who knows....
I'm having the same issue on my nexus. I have a custom rom with stack kernel and ADWLauncher with 3 screens and brightness on auto.
What should i do?
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Run System Panel, it'll show you any apps using CPU, and network stats.
Something is clearly wrong with your phones/config/cache/something, my Nexus One stays ICE COLD all of the time even with K9 mail with push IMAP, weather syncing, GPS uploading to my website every 10 minutes, etc..
First and foremost, this will only apply to you if you have seen the following symptom:
You go to Settings -> About phone -> Battery usage -> click on the graph above and see "Awake" as a solid bar instead of (mostly) lining up with the "Screen on" spotted bar below. Here's my previous thread of when I discovered this issue when my "Awake" bar showed solid for an entire 8 hours when my "Screen on" would show frequent off/on's:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=13938317&postcount=772
I found my SGSII was getting decent battery life, but idle was certainly worse than my SGSI. I couldn't figure it out for the life of me what could be causing it given I was running the exact same apps as my SGSI 2.2.1 handset, but the solid Awake bar did not sit well with me.
Observations:
1) After 8+ hours of solid Awake, I would have no apps running under Settings -> Applications -> Running services except for those that I normally would expect in the background... Settings, NoLED, Google Voice, Swype, etc.
2) I noticed that under this "Running services" screen, if you hit Menu and select "Show cached processes," there are actually other cached processes that are in a semi-dormant state. Are they running or are they not? Hmmm....
3) After a system restart, the Awake and Screen on would line up once again.
Suspicion/Hypothesis:
Some app that I normally have running... even if I completely exit out of, it would sit under cached processes and somehow still keep the device awake.
Testing:
First, wanted to see which app when normally running would keep the phone "Awake." After a few days of testing, isolated it down to eBuddy, which is a chat client I used to have running nonstop on my Froyo SGS. So, after several hours of running eBuddy and seeing a solid Awake bar, I exited out of eBuddy properly (Menu -> Exit), ensured it was no longer running under Running services, and tested it for another 4 hours. Sure enough, with the device mostly idle and eBuddy shutdown, the Awake remained solid/on!
So, I then revisited Settings -> Applications -> Running services -> Menu -> Show cached processes, I saw eBuddy was still cached and taking up memory. So, I clicked on the process and chose Force stop. Afterwards, I let the device idle for a few hours more, and the Awake and Screen on lined up once again.
Conclusion:
I'm not sure if this is a Gingerbread bug or eBuddy bug or a combination thereof, but something changed in the code from Froyo to Gingerbread. Probably has to do with this caching feature, but there ARE apps out there that will keep your device constantly on even if you do properly exit out of them.
Solution:
I used to run "Advanced Task Killer" on my SGS with Froyo but never bothered with Gingerbread because people much smarter than me on here have said time and time again "it's not necessary for Gingerbread, you're wasting time/battery life." Well, that still may be true, but given there are these rogue apps that will cause Gingerbread to stay constantly awake, Advanced Task Killer is the best solution at this time.
(It may not be pretty, but hey, it works.)
So, I installed Advanced Task Killer, did a fresh boot, put all the system apps and other apps I don't want ever shut down (Email, Swype, Settings, etc) on the ignore list, turned the kill setting to every hour, and let it sit. I can say for the past 2 days, my idle battery life has improved significantly. Normally by the end of my work day, I'd be skimming along around 40-50%. (Keep in mind, I use the phone primarily for business, which means 2 push E-mails, 2 pull E-mails, constant text messaging, and lots of phone calls.) The last two days, I have been easily at 70-80% by the end of the day. For instance, right now at 4PM CST, I am still at 82% remaining battery.
Also, keep in mind, I have just about EVERYTHING else I don't need frozen/uninstalled through Titanium backup. This includes but not limited to WIFI Sharing, all the hubs, all the readers, all the SNS junk, AP News, Accuweather, etc.
And the most telling bit that the fix is working: My Screen on and Awake line up perfectly with no more solid bar for Awake. And, this is even after running eBuddy last night.
I know this won't help everyone, but hopefully, it will be of use for some of you. Good luck!
If you're managing to kill apps that keep the phone awake, does it prevent you from receiving messages on eBuddy when the screen is off?
dinan said:
If you're managing to kill apps that keep the phone awake, does it prevent you from receiving messages on eBuddy when the screen is off?
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Interesting question. I had Advanced Task Killer running all last night, and I woke up to messages in eBuddy in the morning. So, my immediate answer to you would be "no," but this will probably take more testing.
Maybe, I'll set ATK to an aggressive 15 minute kill, and have someone message me after 15 minutes of idling with eBuddy running...
I have noticed that with eBuddy actively running, you cannot select it under ATK and kill it. You must exit out of eBuddy properly (Menu -> Exit) for its active process to shut down. Little did I know though... it would still float around in your "Cached processes" afterwards and keep your device Awake!
Well I've been using ATK since this morning and I can't find any change in Android OS ..
It's still high..
Anyway ATK reports that all the games I downloaded from gameshub are active..
And even if it kills them, they appear again in like 10 minutes.. It's really wierd
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Well I've been using ATK since this morning and I can't find any change in Android OS ..
It's still high..
Anyway ATK reports that all the games I downloaded from gameshub are active..
And even if it kills them, they appear again in like 10 minutes.. It's really wierd
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I don't use game hub, but I do have a bunch of games on my device, including the larger Gameloft games. And, I can say for a fact that I do not have any of them ever running in the background.
Something else is keeping them alive, and has nothing to do with ATK. ATK will only help to kill cached processes, but if something is launching them again, that's what you need to look into stopping.
Well.. I do not like tools like the Advanced Task manager.. BUT looking at battery drainage it seems to do wonders!
8 hours of light usage (display 45 mins) --> 75% battery left
3g on (with JuiceDefender à 30 mins) + sync (so I receive whatsapp messages & mail etc)
Listened to music / radio for about 1-1.5 hours
Android OS is sadly still at 36%, Display at 22%
But this I can live with !
Thanks!
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It would obv. be nicer to be at 80+% without that Android bug... Ah, and I did delete / freeze all that Samsung crap with Titanium, didnt really help much! I can also recommend getting CPU spy to see how much your phone actually is in the sleep mode (around 80% for me!)
Breece said:
Well.. I do not like tools like the Advanced Task manager.. BUT looking at battery drainage it seems to do wonders!
8 hours of light usage (display 45 mins) --> 75% battery left
3g on (with JuiceDefender à 30 mins) + sync (so I receive whatsapp messages & mail etc)
Listened to music / radio for about 1-1.5 hours
Android OS is sadly still at 36%, Display at 22%
But this I can live with !
Thanks!
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It would obv. be nicer to be at 80+% without that Android bug... Ah, and I did delete / freeze all that Samsung crap with Titanium, didnt really help much! I can also recommend getting CPU spy to see how much your phone actually is in the sleep mode (around 80% for me!)
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Yeah, I wouldn't run ATK unless I absolutely have to. Like I said in my first post, it is a "brute force" method of ensuring apps are completely closed out and there are no rogue cached processes keeping your device awake. Since I've installed it, the "solid Awake bar" phenomena is completely resolved... and in return, I get much better battery life.
And yes, this is of course on top of freezing just about everything Samsung and anything else I don't need or care to use.
Couldnt agree more!
One questions, what is your "Android OS" % at?
Breece said:
Couldnt agree more!
One questions, what is your "Android OS" % at?
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8%... Display is at 62%, LOL.
Interesting ^^ Oh well.. my battery life should improve but if it stays like this I am fine with it...
Oh Hope ?
Nah, i will try it
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Solution:
I used to run "Advanced Task Killer" on my SGS with Froyo but never bothered with Gingerbread because people much smarter than me on here have said time and time again "it's not necessary for Gingerbread, you're wasting time/battery life." Well, that still may be true, but given there are these rogue apps that will cause Gingerbread to stay constantly awake, Advanced Task Killer is the best solution at this time.
(It may not be pretty, but hey, it works.)
So, I installed Advanced Task Killer, did a fresh boot, put all the system apps and other apps I don't want ever shut down (Email, Swype, Settings, etc) on the ignore list, turned the kill setting to every hour, and let it sit. I can say for the past 2 days, my idle battery life has improved significantly. Normally by the end of my work day, I'd be skimming along around 40-50%. (Keep in mind, I use the phone primarily for business, which means 2 push E-mails, 2 pull E-mails, constant text messaging, and lots of phone calls.) The last two days, I have been easily at 70-80% by the end of the day. For instance, right now at 4PM CST, I am still at 82% remaining battery.
Also, keep in mind, I have just about EVERYTHING else I don't need frozen/uninstalled through Titanium backup. This includes but not limited to WIFI Sharing, all the hubs, all the readers, all the SNS junk, AP News, Accuweather, etc.
And the most telling bit that the fix is working: My Screen on and Awake line up perfectly with no more solid bar for Awake. And, this is even after running eBuddy last night.
I know this won't help everyone, but hopefully, it will be of use for some of you. Good luck!
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WORKED FOR ME AS WELL< EXCELLENT!!!
Task killer is a must
Uninstalling/freezing rogue Samsung apps is a must
ONLY THE COMBINATION WORKS and it works well indeed.
Mmm bizarre! I was waiting for the hordes of people telling you that 'task killers' are unnecessary and stupid.
Thank you very much for your findings.
On my SG2 The android System process is eating almost all my battery! any solution for that?
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WORKED FOR ME AS WELL< EXCELLENT!!!
Task killer is a must
Uninstalling/freezing rogue Samsung apps is a must
ONLY THE COMBINATION WORKS and it works well indeed.
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Mmm bizarre! I was waiting for the hordes of people telling you that 'task killers' are unnecessary and stupid.
Thank you very much for your findings.
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Glad to hear it's working for you guys. With Advanced Task Killer running in the background, I haven't had the "solid Awake bar" reappear again... my Awake bar is always segmented and match up fairly well with my Screen on bar.
Idle battery life is very much acceptable now and definitely no worse than my SGS.
I've always enjoyed your posting and i'm glad you didn't just jump on the bandwagon like everyone else. This is definitely the type of posting we need where everyone work together to solve/identify the issues at hand.
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I've always enjoyed your posting and i'm glad you didn't just jump on the bandwagon like everyone else. This is definitely the type of posting we need where everyone work together to solve/identify the issues at hand.
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Appreciate the kind words. Like I said in my first post, many people much smarter than me/in-tune with Android have said it's unnecessary. But, you're right... there are way too many "DO THESE STEPS AND IT WILL FIX EVERYTHING" posts on here with 0 to little evidence to back up the claims. In the end, nothing beats thorough testing and proven results.
I for one hope 2.3.4 resolves this bug... ultimately, I'd like to not have to run ATK altogether. But for now, this is a solution that works.
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Appreciate the kind words. Like I said in my first post, many people much smarter than me/in-tune with Android have said it's unnecessary. But, you're right... there are way too many "DO THESE STEPS AND IT WILL FIX EVERYTHING" posts on here with 0 to little evidence to back up the claims. In the end, nothing beats thorough testing and proven results.
I for one hope 2.3.4 resolves this bug... ultimately, I'd like to not have to run ATK altogether. But for now, this is a solution that works.
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It works with Freezing/Uninstallin Samsung "bad apps" (WiFi Sharing, Social Hub, etc.). I suggest you emphasize that more in your initial post.
ATK itself helps but ATK is always late (30 minutes or one hour).
That's what I recommend to freeze/uninstall without crippling core functionality:
1 WiFi Sharing and WifiManager
2 Samsung apps (Social Hub, Days, Yahoo Finance, AP News, Games Hub, Readers Hub, Music Hub, AccuWeather)
3 Voice Command Uninstalled using Titanium
It's based on my testing using OS Monitor / ATK - those apps tend to wake up phone for no reason even when you don't use them.
Now it's 24 hours with 4 hours of screen on, no Juice Defender etc.
It works better than SGS (one) despite huge screen and excellent speed.
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It works with Freezing/Uninstallin Samsung "bad apps" (WiFi Sharing, Social Hub, etc.). I suggest you emphasize that more in your initial post.
ATK itself helps but ATK is always late (30 minutes or one hour).
That's what I recommend to freeze/uninstall without crippling core functionality:
1 WiFi Sharing and WifiManager
2 Samsung apps (Social Hub, Days, Yahoo Finance, AP News, Games Hub, Readers Hub, Music Hub, AccuWeather)
3 Voice Command Uninstalled using Titanium
It's based on my testing using OS Monitor / ATK - those apps tend to wake up phone for no reason even when you don't use them.
Now it's 24 hours with 4 hours of screen on, no Juice Defender etc.
It works better than SGS (one) despite huge screen and excellent speed.
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Well, freezing and ATK are needed to reach 2 separate goals:
1) Freezing: Needed to completely disable apps you plan on NEVER using.
2) ATK: Needed to completely close out apps you DO use when they stay cached/rogue in the background and keep your device awake.
So I do agree with you, freezing is absolutely necessary, but it really is the bare minimum. You still need ATK on top of that to actively seek out and kill battery draining apps.
I can confirm, OP solution works great on me. Thanks..
So I had my a500 fully charged Saturday afternoon. I go to turn it on and its dead. Something is wrong here for sure because I use to go a week on standby. I posted some pictures of what my battery life looks like. Its a straight linear decline and I can't figure it out. I'm rooted, and thinking maybe I'm trying to receive the 3.2 update and I can't due to be rooted. I checked system update and it says I'm up to date. Please, any help?
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So I had my a500 fully charged Saturday afternoon. I go to turn it on and its dead. Something is wrong here for sure because I use to go a week on standby. I posted some pictures of what my battery life looks like. Its a straight linear decline and I can't figure it out. I'm rooted, and thinking maybe I'm trying to receive the 3.2 update and I can't due to be rooted. I checked system update and it says I'm up to date. Please, any help?
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Check to make sure your Bluetooth is turned off, and your wireless is set to disconnect when screen turns off.
tu3218 said:
So I had my a500 fully charged Saturday afternoon. I go to turn it on and its dead. Something is wrong here for sure because I use to go a week on standby. I posted some pictures of what my battery life looks like. Its a straight linear decline and I can't figure it out. I'm rooted, and thinking maybe I'm trying to receive the 3.2 update and I can't due to be rooted. I checked system update and it says I'm up to date. Please, any help?
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From the pictures you've posted it does look like something is up. Awake time is supposed to coordinate more or less with Screen On time. That's a general rule of thumb. Background things will wake the tablet and work very briefly sometimes but it doesn't look like that and generally takes seconds, adding up to mere minutes in total over days of that behavior. In essence awake time is supposed to follow screen on time closely with mere pips in difference. Yours is pretty much solid.
You could be right about the update, though I don't see how or why it would cause that anomaly, since it doesn't try to check for the update if the wifi is off, and even if the wifi is on it doesn't download it unless you tell it to. Plus, you can always turn off the automatic/scheduled check entirely.
Other issues I can come up with are net' related (stuck weather update, account sync, browser sync, picture sync, etc.) but are all invalidated since your wifi use is not that bad. I'm thinking any of these would trigger your wifi to stay on.
What's left, perhaps a rogue task manager? Something that's killing a necessary task which is then quickly restarted and so the loop goes on till your battery dies. If I can think of anything else I'll post it.
My only recommendation for now is to stop any task manager you have running, as well as locale or tasker if you have those. Restarting and then seeing how things fare after a day of standby.
i have similar situation.......
battery drain on my HoneyVillain 1.2 with Richard's Kernel is unbelievable.
It is not keeping even a half day. With Honeycomb 3.1 or 3.0 it was much much better.
What i see right now:
- on the battery usage graph i see that "Screen" is eating 80% of the battery - is it correct???
- when i'm at work, where my tablet is connected only to internal WLAN Network (no internet access) - the battery is going down much slower
What i have installed (and running in background)
- exchange mails (3 accounts - push method) with exchange widget
- simple calendar widget
- asus weather widget
- extented controls
- hacker's keyboard
looks like i got the same issue
proxonic said:
i have similar situation.......
battery drain on my HoneyVillain 1.2 with Richard's Kernel is unbelievable.
It is not keeping even a half day. With Honeycomb 3.1 or 3.0 it was much much better.
What i see right now:
- on the battery usage graph i see that "Screen" is eating 80% of the battery - is it correct???
- when i'm at work, where my tablet is connected only to internal WLAN Network (no internet access) - the battery is going down much slower
What i have installed (and running in background)
- exchange mails (3 accounts - push method) with exchange widget
- simple calendar widget
- asus weather widget
- extented controls
- hacker's keyboard
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80% is harsh but I suppose that could be correct, especially if you use the tablet a lot. Following my own tablet as an example, at any point in time my screen takes more juice than anything else on the tablet. I have my screen set to 40%. Auto brightness isn't as sensitive as I like it so it always falls to maybe 60% when I'm fine with it at 40% or so so I manually adjust that while at home.
My screen follows my awake time almost to a T.
Wifi also does seem to be eating a bit more than it did in 3.1 - maybe Acer increased the transmit/receive power in the chips so people stop having wifi connect/disconnect issues? Who knows. I've always had my wifi on 24/7 and overall it never took more than 10% of the battery from full to dying. Now it's considerably higher, 15% or more depending on how much I use the tablet.
But that 80% is still more normal than the awake time posted by the OP.
Have you tried turning down the brightness or adjusting the timeout? Indoors 30-40% is fine for me though I can go even lower, especially when I'm in bed or in the living room and the lights are off in the area. Outdoors I set it to auto or to 50/60% depending on whether I'm using it in my car or during shopping. Also, setting the perfect timeout can matter too. I set mine to 1m, but a really good practice is to set it to 30s and just set your browser or media player to keep it awake while in use. I'm too lazy to do those things
Neoprimal, thanks for the response! I just got home from work, and come greeted with what I suppose is the 3.2 update(~357mb). Now I don't know if that is my issue or not but it could have been. I'm rooted but stock everything. Am I okay to download this 3.2 update?
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Neoprimal, thanks for the response! I just got home from work, and come greeted with what I suppose is the 3.2 update(~357mb). Now I don't know if that is my issue or not but it could have been. I'm rooted but stock everything. Am I okay to download this 3.2 update?
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The 3.2 update has no root, do you have setcpu installed?
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Quick suggestion.
Try changing ROM maybe it will solve your problem.
Neoprimal, thanks for your answer.
I reflashed my iconia back to 3.1 - honeyvillain 1.05a and i have no more battery drain issue.
Screen battery usage is as well at level about 80% so as you said it seems to be normal.
I tried as well other 3.2 cooked roms like taboonay or revolver port - everywhere i got unbelievable high battery drain.
So for me it looks like 3.2 issue.
You can be right with higher wifi power consumption in terms of better signal with honeycomb 3.2.
With3.2i had all the times all stripes blue - with 3.1 signall seems to bea little weaker but anyways strong enough for the internet.
proxonic
proxonic said:
Neoprimal, thanks for your answer.
I reflashed my iconia back to 3.1 - honeyvillain 1.05a and i have no more battery drain issue.
Screen battery usage is as well at level about 80% so as you said it seems to be normal.
I tried as well other 3.2 cooked roms like taboonay or revolver port - everywhere i got unbelievable high battery drain.
So for me it looks like 3.2 issue.
You can be right with higher wifi power consumption in terms of better signal with honeycomb 3.2.
With3.2i had all the times all stripes blue - with 3.1 signall seems to bea little weaker but anyways strong enough for the internet.
proxonic
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Hey Proxonic, as you can see it can't be a '3.2 issue' because I'm on 3.2 and I don't have the issue.
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I barely used my tablet this week because my wife asked me to 'break in' her Touchpad. The brand new one she got had a massive screen problem and we didn't discover it until days later because she never used it much during the week. Pray this never happens to your A500!
Anyway, this is showing that I have my wifi off when the screen is off - the screen on times are generally when I use the tablet to start music, usually before heading to bed.
Most of the awake time is the music playing, but some is probably IM programs and apps looking for internet. I use either google music, pandora/tunein radio/iheartradio or 2player Network Music Player; the radios and 2player NMP use wifi while I've cached a couple playlist or 2 worth of google music to the tablet. I also ran a test for another thread where person(s) reported their Acer Media app turning music off when the screen goes off, I suspect that'd be that long block of awake time without wifi.
Point is though, that I don't think 3.2 has a battery drain issue. Not in regards to while the tablet is sleeping/hibernating anyway. It sounds like maybe you just have some app gobbling up either cpu cycles or something else causing it.
Glad you at least got it fixed with the ROM though.
P.S The touchpad screen, btw looks like this...keep in mind, this is on a good day. When it got bad it was just a huge black block or tons of moving lines. Did a factory reset using Webdoctor and that didn't fix it. The replacement we got seems to be fine so far. The picture's really bad, sorry - took it in the car at a shopping center.
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I have the same issue I am 100% stock on mine and ever since the 3.2 update i will have it fully charged at 8am and at 8 pm I am down to 20% and i never touched it the thing just sat in my bag while I was at work. and i have a 100% uptime. I don't use task mangers and have no idea what is draining it.
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I have the same issue I am 100% stock on mine and ever since the 3.2 update i will have it fully charged at 8am and at 8 pm I am down to 20% and i never touched it the thing just sat in my bag while I was at work. and i have a 100% uptime. I don't use task mangers and have no idea what is draining it.
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That definitely sounds like a rogue application.
Any app in your accounts and sync section has the ability to cause that sort of uptime, so take a look through them. Force a sync and go through each of them to see if anything gets 'stuck' syncing. Twitter and Facebook are always suspect, especially if you're 'busy' on them (meaning you have lots of tweets/facebook posts to sync).
Furthermore, the system is SUPPOSED to close away/sleep some apps after they move from foreground to background however, some of these apps can become locked for some reason and not close (thus the definition of a rogue app). Running processes, etc. may do this. So in addition to programs found under account and sync; any app that plays media (video or music) or connects to download data (news, social apps, shopping/deal apps) can cause this sort of uptime.
I know it can be frustrating but the fix may be as simple as removing the offending app.
Good Luck.
I figured my problem out last night. On all 3 of my gmail accounts it was trying to sync picasa and google photos constantly.
Good day to you all,
Recently after a small android update (still having version 4.4.2) I noticed the battery was draining faster than I'm used to. Before that, it was consuming roughly 1% per hour in idle. This has changed now to 3-5% per hour. Looking at the battery info I noticed the Android system was the biggest batterysucker here. Not only that, there are even TWO Android systems shown and I began to think there's something wrong here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908920&stc=1&d=1408796626
Also looking at the wakelocks shows that my phone is barely able to get into sleepmode.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908921&stc=1&d=1408796626
Before posting this thread I have literally tried every option to see if it could lessen the battery consumption:
- Disabled Google location reporting services
- Disabled GPS
- Disabled Google sync
- Disable Wifi when in Sleep mode
- I don't use Google Now so it's disabled
- Widen the Facebook refresh intervals to 4 hours
- Wiped the cache partition
None of the above worked and I started to think that the second Android system here might be the cause.
Should there be a second Android system consuming battery? What could be the problem here??
JohnnyGui said:
Good day to you all,
Recently after a small android update (still having version 4.4.2) I noticed the battery was draining faster than I'm used to. Before that, it was consuming roughly 1% per hour in idle. This has changed now to 3-5% per hour. Looking at the battery info I noticed the Android system was the biggest batterysucker here. Not only that, there are even TWO Android systems shown and I began to think there's something wrong here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908920&stc=1&d=1408796626
Also looking at the wakelocks shows that my phone is barely able to get into sleepmode.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2908921&stc=1&d=1408796626
Before posting this thread I have literally tried every option to see if it could lessen the battery consumption:
- Disabled Google location reporting services
- Disabled GPS
- Disabled Google sync
- Disable Wifi when in Sleep mode
- I don't use Google Now so it's disabled
- Widen the Facebook refresh intervals to 4 hours
- Wiped the cache partition
None of the above worked and I started to think that the second Android system here might be the cause.
Should there be a second Android system consuming battery? What could be the problem here??
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Hi ,
is hard to tell with what you show here...get an app like Better Battery Stats
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Let it run for 3-4 hours and check it , the app will tell tell you what is going on....is the only way to find the real culprit
MAX 404 said:
Hi ,
is hard to tell with what you show here...get an app like Better Battery Stats
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Let it run for 3-4 hours and check it , the app will tell tell you what is going on....is the only way to find the real culprit
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Will this app also show the needed info even when my phone isn't rooted? Because I'm really not into rooting it.
JohnnyGui said:
Will this app also show the needed info even when my phone isn't rooted? Because I'm really not into rooting it.
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Hi mate
This is from the thread :
Q:Why installing BBS as a system app as everything works with root?
A: Starting with Kikat BBS has 3 modes: without root a limited mode provides a minimal set of stats. With root the set of stats is complete but some stats (other, partial wakelocks, processes) still use a workaround. Finally with the system app BBS is fully featured without any workaround.
For this cases root is good to have as it gives you a better access to all the process running , try without root and see what kind of info you get
If it's a conciliation, my android (currently on AOSP) is also running two android systems. Not exactly the same name (Android-System and Android-Besturingssysteem), but you get the idea. You mentioned quite a few things you've already tried, but what about existing widgets and or android apps you've installed? Usually (for me anyway) battery drain is an installed app not exactly behaving nicely.
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Hi mate
This is from the thread :
Q:Why installing BBS as a system app as everything works with root?
A: Starting with Kikat BBS has 3 modes: without root a limited mode provides a minimal set of stats. With root the set of stats is complete but some stats (other, partial wakelocks, processes) still use a workaround. Finally with the system app BBS is fully featured without any workaround.
For this cases root is good to have as it gives you a better access to all the process running , try without root and see what kind of info you get
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So does this mean I'm not able to see the exact cause of my wakelocks since my phone isn't rooted?? I have installed Gsam Battery monitor from Google Play, hopefully it will give me (and you guys) the relevant information after keeping my phone on idle for a while.
@Skyrider: The weird thing is that in my case, it DOES display the same name twice. Doesn't that seem weird? I can't see any Android OS (besturingssysteem) displayed.
Also, if I have a battery heavy app, shouldn't it be displayed in the battery info screen as well? I only have the Weather widget and a News widget (NU.nl) on my homescreens. Haven't installed many apps except for Facebook and a few games that barely use background processes.
JohnnyGui said:
So does this mean I'm not able to see the exact cause of my wakelocks since my phone isn't rooted?? I have installed Gsam Battery monitor from Google Play, hopefully it will give me (and you guys) the relevant information after keeping my phone on idle for a while.
@Skyrider: The weird thing is that in my case, it DOES display the same name twice. Doesn't that seem weird? I can't see any Android OS (besturingssysteem) displayed.
Also, if I have a battery heavy app, shouldn't it be displayed in the battery info screen as well? I only have the Weather widget and a News widget (NU.nl) on my homescreens. Haven't installed many apps except for Facebook and a few games that barely use background processes.
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Let us know what you find ....good luck
JohnnyGui said:
The weird thing is that in my case, it DOES display the same name twice. Doesn't that seem weird? I can't see any Android OS (besturingssysteem) displayed.
Also, if I have a battery heavy app, shouldn't it be displayed in the battery info screen as well? I only have the Weather widget and a News widget (NU.nl) on my homescreens. Haven't installed many apps except for Facebook and a few games that barely use background processes.
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In my opinion, that's the problem with the default battery information. In my years of experience, it usually never knows the information that you need what exactly is braining the battery. If your battery is still being drained, I suggest to remove most of your apps. Only for a day orso. It should be enough to gather the information to know that at least one of your apps was the cause of it.
It's a pain to do it. But It always has helped me rather than relying on apps of which usually doesn't work out for me.
Also. Might be a good idea to alter your system language from Dutch to English and check the battery info again to search for the duplicate running system on google. You'd expect "Android System" being enough, but who knows that a different language might show a different name.
Ok, I don't have the slightest idea what happened but my battery duration is amazing now. After installing Gsam Battery Monitor and charging my phone to 100% I went to sleep and after 10 hours of standby I looked at my phone and it was on 93%. My phone doesn't consume more than 0,6-1,0% per hour now in the last 3 days!!
I haven't changed anything except choosing to use Wifi and mobile network for location services but not GPS. Weird thing is that I tried that option before without success.
I'm happy now
I'm still confused about the 2 Android systems in my battery info screen though. That might be a good idea to try @Skyrider but I do remember that "Android OS" was displayed differently in Dutch a while back. I'm guessing you have your phone language in Dutch as well since you're seeing "Android Besturingssysteem" on the battery info screen?
JohnnyGui said:
Ok, I don't have the slightest idea what happened but my battery duration is amazing now. After installing Gsam Battery Monitor and charging my phone to 100% I went to sleep and after 10 hours of standby I looked at my phone and it was on 93%. My phone doesn't consume more than 0,6-1,0% per hour in the last 3 days!!
I haven't changed anything except choosing to use Wifi and mobile network for location services but not GPS. Weird thing is that I did try that option before without success.
I'm happy now
I'm still confused about the 2 Android systems in my battery info screen though. That might be a good idea to try @Skyrider but I do remember that "Android OS" was displayed differently in Dutch a while back. I guess you're having your phone language in Dutch as well since you're seeing "Android Besturingssysteem" on the battery info screen?
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Kudos for the battery mate.
JohnnyGui said:
I'm still confused about the 2 Android systems in my battery info screen though. That might be a good idea to try @Skyrider but I do remember that "Android OS" was displayed differently in Dutch a while back. I'm guessing you have your phone language in Dutch as well since you're seeing "Android Besturingssysteem" on the battery info screen?
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Yea, I'm using the Dutch language. But I'm not using the stock ROM of the phone, so hence I am seeing different systems running in the background. But I'm glad the battery is semi-fixed.
Ok, so I changed my phone to English and behold, one of the "Android Systems" indeed changed to "Android OS"
I could have sworn it was like that when my phone was in Dutch.
Perhaps someone with the stock ROM in Dutch could check that out?
No idea if this helps but i thought might as well contribute what it sais on my phone
Edit : i have a very high idle battery drain so any advice is welcome btw
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No idea if this helps but i thought might as well contribute what it sais on my phone
Edit : i have a very high idle battery drain so any advice is welcome btw
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Thanks a lot for confirming this! I guess Android OS is indeed translated to "System" for Dutch S4's.
Have you tried my suggestions in the opening post?