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Now Rooted. Kiss OTA's goodbye?

Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.

joe.kerwin said:
Once rooted, even if running the stock ROM with su permissions, will I be able to even receive OTA updates (Froyo)? Or be solely responsible for flashing the firmware myself? Had a G1 before this but I ended up rooting it after all the updates to 1.6 had been sent out, so I'm unfamiliar how the world of rooting and OTA's collide. I would prefer to do as little modding as possible, even though my vibrant is much more of a high end phone than the G1, it got to a point where I was constantly flashing my phone with new mods and hacks and roms, and it got kind of frustrating having little things wrong here and there. I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.
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I'm sure right before the update becomes available you'll hear about it and you can always unroot ...

if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.

Lieu10ant said:
if you install the OTA, you will download the OTA (which is a NON ROOTED update) therefore making your phone get UNROOTED. now, you WANT do avoid installing the OTA's because they will unroot you, but since you aren't running a custom rom on your phone, you WILL get the OTA from t-mobile, you just have to force urself to DECLINE the install (if you want to keep root) you can update to the OTA release if you want to get rid of root, but if you wait a couple days, someone will have hacked a rooted version of the update.
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or you can just re-root...correct?

most of the time when an ota update comes out they patch the exploit used to root... this probably will not happen with the galaxy s series phones... 1)Samsung intends to sell 10 million of these phones... 2)It wasnt an exploit, it was left open to begin with

I'm not even sure if T-mobile cares. They allow their customers to post information about rooting their phones on their own forum.
I would post the link but I'm not allowed until my account has been verified.

oh lol, the way i worded my post was inferring that the new update would have "patched" the way to get root, but your responses make me think otherwise lol.

Better safe than sorry if Root is important to you. Wait for a guinea pig to update and verify if root is still an option or not.....

I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?

I got my adfree so far, thats enough to make me happy for now.[/QUOTE]
Is add free really that important? If you don't want a 3mm bar on your screen buy the app. I click the add every time I open an app that is free. If you don't then all the dev will make apple apps... Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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bauerlucas said:
Just kind of selfish if you where to ask me.
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He didn't ask you.

disturkis4u said:
Not like we're getting an update ever. =|
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Looks like this is the case for the moment. Maybe we will see something soon though, but I still would like to know about my questions.
Charles Sloan said:
I was wondering the same thing too, but I have deleted most of the bloat ware that came with the brand. So after the ota and unroot, will these programs be reinstalled?
And if I did a factory reset would it restore the bloat ware and unroot the phone?
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Rather then making another thread about this, id just like to ask it here.
i know this has been asked about a million times, but i need to make in a million and one.
im rooted, clockwork recovery, mobile ap installed, and JAC kernel. I do not have any custom roms installed. Because of the custom kernel, im guessing that will keep me from receiving OTA?

What do I have to do when the real froyo comes out if I'm rooted

Question is pretty straight foward. Do I have to unroot? Do I lose root if I update and have to wait until the real froyo is rooted?
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Very quickly (perhaps hours) after the official Samsung update becomes available OTA, one of the developers here will surely post a stock rom for Froyo that is already rooted and Clockwork Recovery ready. There will probably be versions flashable by both Odin and Clockwork. Custom roms will be updated soon after that.

To actually answer your question you would most likely be safe with just using odin back to an older build 2.1 then let the ota take over after you boot in to your homescreen.
However, answering your question completely. Losing root is a big maybe better yet a most likely. There is a root already out that i'm almost positive will work with the official 2.2 also though.

What if I just want to update to froyo using my phone and then root later?
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iwantAdollar said:
What if I just want to update to froyo using my phone and then root later?
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That would be a bad idea because it's possible that samsung/sprint will have patched all the currently known root exploits. Most likely there will be a flashable zip available on xda within hours of release that will let you maintain root. The froyo update can be altered easily to maintain root but if you use it unmodified to update and then expect to reroot you will likely be screwed.

So far I have yet to flash one OTA that has intervened with root...though doesn't the exploit effect ADB which google needs to fix..I dont think its that simple to just patch up..

If someone is rooted but has not modifed their phone in any way or removed any stock apps, would they still be able to receive OTA?

gTen said:
So far I have yet to flash one OTA that has intervened with root...though doesn't the exploit effect ADB which google needs to fix..I dont think its that simple to just patch up..
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There have not been any major OTAs yet so I don't see why that would be much of an argument that this huge OTA won't kill root. We had OTA's on the hero that preserved root and others that patched it. If you want to go ahead and take your chances with the OTA be my guest, but I was just trying to let the OP know that the risk to reward ratio is way to high in my opinion.

richse said:
There have not been any major OTAs yet so I don't see why that would be much of an argument that this huge OTA won't kill root. We had OTA's on the hero that preserved root and others that patched it. If you want to go ahead and take your chances with the OTA be my guest, but I was just trying to let the OP know that the risk to reward ratio is way to high in my opinion.
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The ops question is whether or not the OTA would not work if he is rooted..similar to removing stock apps..hence I answered based on that, not maintaining root...

Elixis said:
If someone is rooted but has not modifed their phone in any way or removed any stock apps, would they still be able to receive OTA?
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Yes u will still get ota and it should work fine. U might need to reroot after but that's all. The 2.2 ota might break root on ur current setup, but I don't think the update will patch the root exploit so u should be able to run the same oneclick and get root again.

how about we wait till it happens? it could all change depending on what the OTA update does to our phones. The advice has always been wait ... Wait.. and wait.. when it is safe then do the OTA.

gTen said:
The ops question is whether or not the OTA would not work if he is rooted..similar to removing stock apps..hence I answered based on that, not maintaining root...
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Maybe you should try reading the OP again. It says:
iwantAdollar said:
Question is pretty straight foward. Do I have to unroot? Do I lose root if I update and have to wait until the real froyo is rooted?
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He was asking a lot more than if he would get the OTA. I answered his question and gave some advice. You chimed in with some crap about never having lost root with an OTA. That was crap advice so I responded.

richse said:
Maybe you should try reading the OP again. It says:
He was asking a lot more than if he would get the OTA. I answered his question and gave some advice. You chimed in with some crap about never having lost root with an OTA. That was crap advice so I responded.
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I could have sworn the question was different when I read it :/..and I'm pretty sure I reread it after you posted..but I dont see edited, unless it got lost or..hmm..am I going senile? :/ lol

the implications of ROOT

hello!
i just got my N4 a few days ago...
didnt even change a ringtone yet... just downloaded some apps, and costumized the phone a-bit.
i do want to root, because some advanced actions such as recording calls (legal in my country) require root.
i was about to root using the Nexus 4 ToolKit posted here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688
but when i run it it always says its tookit ver v1.3.0, and a 1.6.0 is avilable, i update but when i re-run it, it says its 1.3 again...
and even if i go past this step and get to the "What build do you have?
the only answer i can pic is 4.2 (JOP24C)
and i own JOP24D (2.4.1) - will this be an issue?
and also - if i root my phone, and lets say androud 4.2.2 comes out a day later, does the phone still update? or do i stop getting updates as soon as im rooted?
TY!

Caniv said:
hello!
i just got my N4 a few days ago...
didnt even change a ringtone yet... just downloaded some apps, and costumized the phone a-bit.
i do want to root, because some advanced actions such as recording calls (legal in my country) require root.
i was about to root using the Nexus 4 ToolKit posted here:
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1995688
but when i run it it always says its tookit ver v1.3.0, and a 1.6.0 is avilable, i update but when i re-run it, it says its 1.3 again...
and even if i go past this step and get to the "What build do you have?
the only answer i can pic is 4.2 (JOP24C)
and i own JOP24D (2.4.1) - will this be an issue?
and also - if i root my phone, and lets say androud 4.2.2 comes out a day later, does the phone still update? or do i stop getting updates as soon as im rooted?
TY!
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If you get the donate version it will update it so that you can do the 4.2.1 build. I think it was like $5. Well worth supporting the dev

ctowne said:
If you get the donate version it will update it so that you can do the 4.2.1 build. I think it was like $5. Well worth supporting the dev
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alright cool i don't mind paying 5USD...
but what about the most important things?
does rooting 100% erase evetyhing?
Do i keep getting updates to my phone? or when a new version comes out i have to re-root or something?

It will erase EVERYTHING and you would have to go back to stock to get the OTA or wait for a build to be flashable
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If the ROM got OTA (over the air) you can update i guess, not really populair with OTA, but you can download 4.2.2 stock ROM or custom ROM when it comes out.
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Why don't you unlock and root using fastboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
Check my signature for my reasons why.
You might even learn something!
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El Daddy said:
Why don't you unlock and root using fastboot. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2018179
Check my signature for my reasons why.
You might even learn something!
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might? i bet ill learn ALOT!
i just have one more question - that i didnt understand.
as of now, unrooted, if 4.3(lets say) comes out tommorow, my device updates, bam.. im 4.3
if i root now, at 4.2.1, the above will not happen? meaning in order to update to 4.3 i will have to lose all my data again?
ty!

Caniv said:
might? i bet ill learn ALOT!
i just have one more question - that i didnt understand.
as of now, unrooted, if 4.3(lets say) comes out tommorow, my device updates, bam.. im 4.3
if i root now, at 4.2.1, the above will not happen? meaning in order to update to 4.3 i will have to lose all my data again?
ty!
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If you are only rooted and having modified any system files you can OTA successfully.
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El Daddy said:
If you are only rooted and having modified any system files you can OTA successfully.
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ashamed to say i didnt really get it.. lol.
you said OTA is "Over the Air", right?
so if i rooted at 4.2.1 (just rooted, no rom or anything), and 4.3 came out do i
1. Have to delete everything AGAIN and re-root on 4.3 to get the update
2. have to find the 4.3 file online and install it somehow
3. do nothing, the phone automatically gets updated
ty =)

Caniv said:
ashamed to say i didnt really get it.. lol.
you said OTA is "Over the Air", right?
so if i rooted at 4.2.1 (just rooted, no rom or anything), and 4.3 came out do i
1. Have to delete everything AGAIN and re-root on 4.3 to get the update
2. have to find the 4.3 file online and install it somehow
3. do nothing, the phone automatically gets updated
ty =)
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Getting root on your device does not delete anything. What deletes everything is unlocking the bootloader (which, at the present time, is required to obtain root). You only have to unlock the bootloader once. Once it is unlocked, getting root is trivial.
Every time you receive an over-the-air update, it will remove your root access, BUT, as I mentioned earlier, getting it back is trivial when your bootloader is unlocked.

efrant said:
Getting root on your device does not delete anything. What deletes everything is unlocking the bootloader (which, at the present time, is required to obtain root). You only have to unlock the bootloader once. Once it is unlocked, getting root is trivial.
Every time you receive an over-the-air update, it will remove your root access, BUT, as I mentioned earlier, getting it back is trivial when your bootloader is unlocked.
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i should pay you for toleraring my silly questions... many thanks
since i think i saw u said u do not recommend tool kits to root..
can u direct me to a step by step instruction thread to root, in a way you support? i totally trust your opinion

Caniv said:
i should pay you for toleraring my silly questions... many thanks
since i think i saw u said u do not recommend tool kits to root..
can u direct me to a step by step instruction thread to root, in a way you support? i totally trust your opinion
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Have you read the stickies in the General and Q&A sections? There is a couple of stickies by me in the General section (the "Basics" and "Root" links in my signature), and there is also a sticky by Jubakuba in the Q&A section.

efrant said:
Have you read the stickies in the General and Q&A sections? There is a couple of stickies by me in the General section (the "Basics" and "Root" links in my signature), and there is also a sticky by Jubakuba in the Q&A section.
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I did not!
I will do so as soon as I'm done with work.
Will prolly open a thread titled "rooted 4.2, how do i update to 4.2.1" unless its in the stickies..

Caniv said:
I did not!
I will do so as soon as I'm done with work.
Will prolly open a thread titled "rooted 4.2, how do i update to 4.2.1" unless its in the stickies..
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The easiest way is to wait for the OTA notification to appear on your device. Then just accept it, and then root again.
I've written up something for the Galaxy Nexus (sticky in the GNex General section), but nothing yet for the N4. The basic premise (and most of the commands) are the same. You can browse through it for some background info.

Can't update to MF3

Anyone having issues with getting the ota MF3 update? I've tried updating my software on my phone but it says my software is up to date. I have set my clock forward several times but I still can't get it to update. Also, Samsung Kies (which is such a piece of crap) says my software is up to date even though I have mdl. Anyone had any issues with this and have a fix?

i'm assuming you either not rooted or are rooted and dont care about losing root?
if you're rooted and want to run MF3, iB4STiD has a loki'd MF3-based debloated rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280556

xBeerdroiDx said:
i'm assuming you either not rooted or are rooted and dont care about losing root?
if you're rooted and want to run MF3, iB4STiD has a loki'd MF3-based debloated rom here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2280556
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That is correct. I've had some issues with my wireless and this update is supposed to fix some wireless issues.

if you're rooted: i would research and try one of these MF3-based roms. any changes you may be looking for should also be contained in that rom. it will be rooted, hence allowing you to keep root as well as the option to revert to any other rom you may want to try later.
if you're not rooted and dont care about root: you'll have to wait until you receive the update. when that happens, kiss the possibility of root goodbye. you may not care about that if the wireless issue you have is resolved. however, if that issue is not resolved in the MF3 update, you cannot root and try another rom nor revert to a previous firmware version.

Are you wanting to root or flash custom roms?

Yep same here stock att s4. Of 4 phones two updated to mf3 and two didnt keep saying up to date. Not sure why...did att stop Rolling out the update?
Im happy with stock...not intention of rooting (though I have rooted my epic 4g in thw past). Using holo launcher to hide touchwiz. (I dont think it has to do w that)
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TheAxman said:
Are you wanting to root or flash custom roms?
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I have no intention of flashing custom roms but I would like to root in the near future. Fixing my wireless issues trumps rooting though so I have to wait for a new root to come out that's fine.

If you are on MDL, and you have no intentions of rooting right off the bat, and you want the MF3 update, make sure your status is set to official and manually move the date up 1 day, to force the update.

TheAxman said:
If you are on MDL, and you have no intentions of rooting right off the bat, and you want the MF3 update, make sure your status is set to official and manually move the date up 1 day, to force the update.
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If you read his post he already did that. Att rolls it out in batches. I dont have it yet either
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ian1 said:
If you read his post he already did that. Att rolls it out in batches. I dont have it yet either
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I know he did, do it again, it will hit, I did it that way on earlier updates.

TheAxman said:
I know he did, do it again, it will hit, I did it that way on earlier updates.
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Oh ok well I have rolled it forward probably like 10 times haha. Maybe ill try rolling it a few months forward
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This message is confusing but I'm assuming they just haven't pushed it me yet.
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ian1 said:
This message is confusing but I'm assuming they just haven't pushed it me yet.
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hehe its random, just every now and then, check, push date up ever so often. That message is they haven't pushed it yet, your right, you can bet they want you on it.

Be careful about advancing date yo far ahead....one u advance u have to keep advancing further and further (havent found a way to reset that date counter with stock)
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hehe its random, just every now and then, check, push date up ever so often. That message is they haven't pushed it yet, your right, you can bet they want you on it.
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I've tried pushing it forward several times but I still can't get it to update...

I don't understand why anyone on xda would want to get the update. You all should have just kept your Apple products.
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jd1639 said:
I don't understand why anyone on xda would want to get the update. You all should have just kept your Apple products.
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If you don't have anything constructive to say then please don't say anything. Like I said, I've had wireless issues that I'd like to get fixed. Yes, I could get the rooted version of the update but I've never flashed a new Rom and I have no desire to just so I can get the update.

theloneranger08 said:
If you don't have anything constructive to say then please don't say anything. Like I said, I've had wireless issues that I'd like to get fixed. Yes, I could get the rooted version of the update but I've never flashed a new Rom and I have no desire to just so I can get the update.
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Then why are you here? Go to your carrier's forum.
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jd1639 said:
Then why are you here? Go to your carrier's forum.
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This forum is for the AT&T Galaxy S4 and I posted my issue in the AT&T Samsung Galaxy S4 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting. I'm pretty sure my issue constitutes Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting. I posted here because (for the most part) people on Xda know what they are talking about and I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue and has a fix for it. You don't think I've looked around the AT&T forums? Once again, if you don't have anything constructive to say then don't say anything. I'm just trying to find a solution to a problem. Just because I choose not to root my device or flash a different ROM to it doesn't mean I don't have a right to post here. I may do so in the future, but right now I don't feel a need to.

theloneranger08 said:
Anyone having issues with getting the ota MF3 update? I've tried updating my software on my phone but it says my software is up to date. I have set my clock forward several times but I still can't get it to update. Also, Samsung Kies (which is such a piece of crap) says my software is up to date even though I have mdl. Anyone had any issues with this and have a fix?
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My Son just got his update this morning on the I337 stock AT&T... FYI
Put your time to correct, trust me they will get you!

Updates after Rooting AT&T G2 ?

If I root the phone using below, do i receive updates from AT&T ? Does it break the software ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45692679#post45692679

Yes you will NOT be able to receive the updates from AT&T. You can restore to stock if you want to take the update, or you could wait a few hours till the devs here strip it, root it, make it better in every way, and then upgrade to it. Either way, carrier updates shouldn't keep you from rooting if you want to.
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bps119 said:
Yes you will NOT be able to receive the updates from AT&T. You can restore to stock if you want to take the update, or you could wait a few hours till the devs here strip it, root it, make it better in every way, and then upgrade to it. Either way, carrier updates shouldn't keep you from rooting if you want to.
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Is there a step by step guide to restore to stock for AT&T ?

A bit of searching will really help you answer all these questions without creating a new thread for them but... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2432476
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