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Samsung details Jelly Bean upgrade roadmap - Galaxy Tab 10.1/10.1v is not on the list

Our beloved tablet Galaxy 10.1/10.1.v never going to get official JB upgrade by Samsung!
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http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-details-jelly-bean-upgrade-roadmap-and-its-not-all-good-24248943/
I know this is not Android development post, but I just want to make sure our beloved developers know the news, and they are the only ones left now that can bring fully functional JB ROMs to our tablet. I really hope they can start spending more time on JB ROM development.

Your justification/reason for posting this in the development section is definitely not sufficient.

I am disappointed by Samsung not upgrading GT 10.1 for three reasons
1. GT 10.1 was released *after* GS2, and GS2 gets JB.
2. GT 2 10.1 is so similar to GT 10.1, that if Samsung just pays a little more effort, they can upgrade GT 10.1, too.
3. GT 10.1 was a flagship device, just last year.
Probably it is because GT 10.1 did not sell well as Samsung expected, due to iPad or all that Apple legal stuff. Well, but I can still enjoy GT 10.1 as it is (4.0). And I hope Samsung would release a bigger and faster one (like 12 inch or something). Then I would sell GT 10.1 cheaply and move on to that device.

Well it is ok, i hate touchwiz as a lot of people and we have good developers that will bring CM10 full functionally, but it is mean that probably we will have problems with drivers for futures updates.

start a facebook and twitter protest along with a youtube video
I bet they will pay attention. At the least force them to release the code so others can develop it.
The points made above are very valid.
I though part of the Google agreement was devices had to be upgradeable for up to 18 months for something like that.
You think a company like Samsung would have learned from Microsoft to make their devices and software work for all of their hardware just like installing MS Windows across different brands.

droiduzr2 said:
I though part of the Google agreement was devices had to be upgradeable for up to 18 months for something like that.
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That is what Google stated at I/O 2011. So this makes me wonder... 18 months from when the GTab 10.1 I/O released (March 2011) or when it released in the US (June 2011), international (July 2011;not sure cause I didn't pay attention to that release). We are within that window when they said that JB will release in Q4 for the listed devices. We are DEFINITELY in that window from when JB was announced.

That will teach us, samsung is fast abandoning devices as well as releasing them. Note to self, next time stick to everything nexus.
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I moved to Google Nexus. Will never purchase any Samsung products in future.

Braaank said:
Well it is ok, i hate touchwiz as a lot of people and we have good developers that will bring CM10 full functionally, but it is mean that probably we will have problems with drivers for futures updates.
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I agree about touchwiz, but you have to think like this: they need to release JB, so that our developer can get all the required drivers for camera and other stuff. This makes development much faster. If you check current Alpha/Experimental CM10 JB ROMs, front cam not working.
I felt really bad when I read the news, because I still really like my Galaxy Tab 10.1 even if it is 1 year old.

jazzespresso said:
I agree about touchwiz, but you have to think like this: they need to release JB, so that our developer can get all the required drivers for camera and other stuff. This makes development much faster. If you check current Alpha/Experimental CM10 JB ROMs, front cam not working.
I felt really bad when I read the news, because I still really like my Galaxy Tab 10.1 even if it is 1 year old.
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Im on a cm10 and my front cam is working. It'll be there in versions with the 3.1 kernel, the ones out there right now are with the older kernel (afaik).

stubborn_d0nkey said:
Im on a cm10 and my front cam is working. It'll be there in versions with the 3.1 kernel, the ones out there right now are with the older kernel (afaik).
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Yes but i think 3.1 kernel its only for P7500 i have the P7510 wifi version, someplace i look for an experimental kernel 3.1 but microphone doesnt work.

Samsung are truly morons with this crap. The Tab was my last chance with them and they just blew it.. This was their 3rd strike. My 2 year old Nexus S 4G with 512mb of RAM gets an official JB upgrade from Google (and runs great) yet the tab with a dual core and 1gb of RAM Samsung decide to skip over. Google is all about getting the most out of a product and Samsung (who ironically makes the Nexus S) is all about getting the most out of your wallet.

I had a hunch this was going to happen, but I'm still annoyed. Not so much because I can't just root, etc..... but the fact that they've given the finger to those that bought it while they support older products still. Samsung was even present when Google announced the "Android Update Alliance". Um........... atleast give us working drivers, etc.

Braaank said:
Yes but i think 3.1 kernel its only for P7500 i have the P7510 wifi version, someplace i look for an experimental kernel 3.1 but microphone doesnt work.
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The 3.1 kernel Samsung released is for both P7500 and P7510. If you're running official ICS now, you're using 3.1 kernel.

Figured as much.
But, my Tab with ICS and Nova launcher absolutely rocks, so to be honest, I'm not really that disappointed.
Still a geat device.

I am runnng cm10 on my tab and it works great. I dont neec Samsung offical laggy rom. I have cm10, its faster and better!
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There is nothing that I see here from an OFFICIAL Samsung site..... Lets not panic

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There is nothing that I see here from an OFFICIAL Samsung site..... Lets not panic
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it is official news from Samsung. I just need to find the official press release link and post here. They did not say no JB for Galaxy Tab 10.1, but they did NOT included it on their JB road-map for this year and next year, so this should tell you something, unless Samsung decides to include it at last minute.

The only comments seen publically are from sites other than samsun. Sammobile is not an official site and their source was not samsung either. Suggest you all calm down. Besides, it would be like expecting win7to run on a win 95 computer expecting updates for ever more

dapope said:
The only comments seen publically are from sites other than samsun. Sammobile is not an official site and their source was not samsung either. Suggest you all calm down. Besides, it would be like expecting win7to run on a win 95 computer expecting updates for ever more
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But AOSP based jb has already been ported to 10.1 which makes it a vaible candidate since the hardware is good thus ur comparison is like comparing apple to oranges since win would never even bootup in win95 PC let alone run!
PS: I am dissapointed with Samsung bcuz most ppl with 10.1 r early adopters yet Samsung including myself yet Samsung decided to show the finger to us!
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bar_rodoy said:
I am runnng cm10 on my tab and it works great. I dont neec Samsung offical laggy rom. I have cm10, its faster and better!
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With official release the devs get access to newer kernel which makes future android compability easier
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Quite disappointed

As you may ask know, Android 4.4 is out and yet no official 4.2 yet for our note 10.1talk more of 4.4. Samsung gradually becoming as arrogant as Apple.. Lol
I'm starting to regret buying this device.. What do all think?

dannyella said:
As you may ask know, Android 4.4 is out and yet no official 4.2 yet for our note 10.1talk more of 4.4. Samsung gradually becoming as arrogant as Apple.. Lol
I'm starting to regret buying this device.. What do all think?
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Honestly I buy a device as what it is unless specifically told it will receive x in x months baring a software hitch that needs addressed. Every update is simply a bonus. If I want more I generally turn to the dev community for that something extra. Samsung I think said note 10.1 would get 4.2 I think and I like that but when they get around to it is up to them really. If updates are super important the nexus devices get them all quick. I don't really view it as arrogance so much as we have allocated this many men and this much funds for these updates and when they are ready you'll get them as it's an extra feature to an already finished product.

dannyella said:
As you may ask know, Android 4.4 is out and yet no official 4.2 yet for our note 10.1talk more of 4.4. Samsung gradually becoming as arrogant as Apple.. Lol
I'm starting to regret buying this device.. What do all think?
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1. Android 4.4 was announced, it is not "out"
2. Do your homework next time, samsung has a habit of late updates, its a continuing trend with them. Want fast updates? Grab a nexus device.
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dannyella said:
As you may ask know, Android 4.4 is out and yet no official 4.2 yet for our note 10.1talk more of 4.4. Samsung gradually becoming as arrogant as Apple.. Lol
I'm starting to regret buying this device.. What do all think?
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As another said, announced but not out. I'm use a rom and I can't complain. I have no functionality missing and can complete all my tasks. An update really wouldn't improve that. If it was a security flaw or a device crippling problem I'd have a need for a patch more urgently. Really not a reason to regret buying a device.

Not interested if an updates comes i will use it .
Pointless jumping on the continual why have we not got xxx update yet .
jje

Not this again.. Google's own statistic shows that the majority of users do not care one bit about which version of the software they are using. Another big part of the users with newer versions simply got a prompt and clicked on it.
I was all worked up when my dad's Note 1 got the JB treatment. You know my dad's reaction when he saw JB (jumping from Gingerbread mind you)? "What's the difference?".
The people who want the latest version of Android are mostly fans of technology. And most of them usually just go with newer devices or don't rely on stock software.
So I'm not at all surprised that Samsung is lazy with its updates. There's no real pressure for them and since they are primarily a mass manufacturer then what do they care if 1 000 000 people (probably a lot less) around the world are feeling left out when they probably sell that many devices (total volume) every few days.
The good part is - Android is still open, so you can always jump to a ROM and get the new software if you so wish. I myself am now spoiled by some of Samsung's apps and features so as long as it's Jelly Bean, I'm happy and it does what I've bought the device to do. IF we get 4.4 - great. It should have been 5.0, but again - who cares besides geeks like us.

4.3 should come out after october when they update the S3 and S4, Samsung noted that the note 10.1 would get the next major android update at the time it was thought it would be 5.0 but now we see it is 4.4. I'm worried now that we will never get 5.0 on the 10.1, but that will be many months down the line.

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I'm more concerned about fixing bugs. Fix the bugs first and if another version comes along, great -- but still fix the bugs.

Wich makes me ask: what is the best (= most effective) way of reporting bugs so they might get fixed?
I'm not really waiting for 4.3 or 4.4 new features but there's at least one bug (USB host connection) I'd desperately want to have fixed.

It's just business 101.
Samsung is not going to release 4.2.2/4.3 for the Note 10.1 or even the Note 2 for that matter with the impending release of the Note 3 and Note 10.1 2013 Model.
It would hurt potential sales and upgrades. They will come but I doubt anytime soon.,

elzeus said:
4.3 should come out after october when they update the S3 and S4, Samsung noted that the note 10.1 would get the next major android update at the time it was thought it would be 5.0 but now we see it is 4.4. I'm worried now that we will never get 5.0 on the 10.1, but that will be many months down the line.
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4.0.x ics, 4.1.x-4.3.x jellybean, 4.4.x kitkat... who knows when 5.0 will come out and what it will be. I'm sure we will get 4.3 and 4.4, 4.4 being the next major update.
sent from my jelly bean infused note 10.1

dannyella said:
As you may ask know, Android 4.4 is out and yet no official 4.2 yet for our note 10.1talk more of 4.4. Samsung gradually becoming as arrogant as Apple.. Lol
I'm starting to regret buying this device.. What do all think?
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Actually, 4.4 is not out yet. All they've done is announced the name. 4.3 is still the current version.
That being said, given that the new Note 10.1 will ship with 4.3 (I believe), it is a little annoying (ok - a lot annoying) that there's no news about an upgrade for existing Note 10.1s...

I think they will release sooner than later because they will want to sell more watches.
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Updates are rolling out for so Samsung devices
dannyella said:
As you may ask know, Android 4.4 is out and yet no official 4.2 yet for our note 10.1talk more of 4.4. Samsung gradually becoming as arrogant as Apple.. Lol
I'm starting to regret buying this device.. What do all think?
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I have the Tab 2 7.0 bought last August with ICS on it. Already it has been updated twice 4.1.2 and this August 4.2.2. Samsung is now updating Note 2. So the update is coming and Note 10 has a lot more features to tweak. You sound in a hurry for no reason. Why not just enjoy your tablet as is until it does. Apps make the tablet so if you want newness add some apps.
I usually change roms but on my non-rooted tablet launchers, themes and apps. Amazon gives a free paid app every day and plenty of sources to get apps besides Playstore and Samsung just virus scan them first or use an old Android device as test dummy.

where the hell is the kk update?

I hate that waiting......samsung is really lazy regarding updates!
I mean how hard is it to get the update done? Damn u sam.....!

Ahmedmoataz said:
I hate that waiting......samsung is really lazy regarding updates!
I mean how hard is it to get the update done? Damn u sam.....!
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it is taking a while. I played with the 10.1 tab pro or whatever with the same specs and it runs much smoother.

It's odd. Here's the press release Samsung U.S. issued dated February 18. Not a single device on the list except for the N3 and SGS4 which were already in the process of receiving KitKat has received it.

Since Samsung literally floods the market with devices, I'm sure they're having a tough time keeping them straight to update. I'm sure we'll get it sometime soon. I hope.

The new Samsung tab 4 line-up are all loaded with KitKat...
but not for us
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a press release confirming 4.4 KitKat will soon be available for the following devices across all U.S. networks.
These are the Galaxy Note 3 and the Galaxy Note 2, the Galaxy S4, S4 Mini, S4 Active and S4 Zoom, plus the Galaxy S3 and S3 Mini.
The Galaxy Mega and Galaxy Light are also listed.
Moving on to tablets, the Galaxy Note 8.0, Galaxy Tab 3, Galaxy Note 10.1, and finally, the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition
will all be updated to version 4.4.
Samsung says all carrier variants will get the update.
The rollout begins on February 18 and will continue for several months. <===== "Several months" OMG !!!

I actually sent them an email a few days ago. Got a reply although it wasn't very helpful. Here's what they said:
Thank you for contacting Samsung Customer Support.
In regards to your email, unfortunately we do not yet have an official date for when this update will be released for your device.
I am sorry for the inconvenience caused by this.
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So done with Samsung.. Ugh..
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Still waiting for a higher version of android than 4.1.2 on the Samsung galaxy note 10.1 - N8000... It's only been 1 1/2 years since I got it but we're still stuck there on 4.1.2....

My tablet still works fine so I have no problem waiting. The latest leaked firmware does help tremendously though... it'll come eventually so relax yourselves
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Itchiee said:
My tablet still works fine so I have no problem waiting. The latest leaked firmware does help tremendously though... it'll come eventually so relax yourselves
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Link to firmware?

I'm assuming in that they will hold off as long as possible to release the update. They want to sell the new tab and note pro lines which makes sense. I'm shocked to see the new low end tab 4 lineup has it. Seems very fishy.
I think it's the same business tactic Verizon is using for the kitkat update in the bite 3 which annoys me. Mark my words they will release 4.4.2 to Verizon on day 15 post S5 release. Maximize their sales on the phone. So April 26 kitkat is released to those of us including myself with a note 3 on vzw. Sorry for the rant.
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Sudbury78 said:
They want to sell the new tab and note pro lines which makes sense.
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Not really. The only device(s) more expensive than the N10.1-14 are the 12" Pros. From a margin perspective I can't see the Tab Pro 10.1 making Samsung any more money than the N10.1-14.
I'm shocked to see the new low end tab 4 lineup has it. Seems very fishy.
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Google's finally started to exert themselves in leveraging "free Android" against access to Google Apps (Play content apps [movies, music, books, etc.], Google+, Google Play Services, and Chrome). They recently published requirements that, in order to get access, OEM's had to use the latest version of Android on new devices. In addition, the Samsung/Google cooperation agreement seems to have affected Samsung's s/w direction. Magazine UX went from a replacement UI when it was announced with multiple pages pre-configured including being featured as the primary home page to "Content Home" at launch. Half the widgets have been removed, the tiles that could launch any installed app are gone, and it's now one pre-configured page of news set as the last of the home pages. Samsung Hub which probably annoyed Google most as a competitor to Play Content is also gone with the Pros. Leaks of major changes to TW for the SGS5 never came to fruition either.
So something's fishy but my guess is it's more of a political realignment between titans than something to do with any singular device or series of devices. And if as part of the agreement Samsung's adjusting the content in future s/w releases and updates it could explain the delay. This is all supposition on my part but it's odd that a company with Samsung's resources hasn't pushed updates to over a dozen devices they've committed updates for in over two months.

Sudbury78 said:
I'm assuming in that they will hold off as long as possible to release the update. They want to sell the new tab and note pro lines which makes sense. I'm shocked to see the new low end tab 4 lineup has it. Seems very fishy.
I think it's the same business tactic Verizon is using for the kitkat update in the bite 3 which annoys me. Mark my words they will release 4.4.2 to Verizon on day 15 post S5 release. Maximize their sales on the phone. So April 26 kitkat is released to those of us including myself with a note 3 on vzw. Sorry for the rant.
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I think that I'm not stretching when I say that probably more than 90% of phone and tablet buyers have absolutely no ideas what version of the operating system is on their device. Holding off on KitKat for a Note 10.1 has nothing to do with sales. It has to do with priorities and resources. I know from experience that good developers are put to work on new products and so-so developers are put on maintenance projects. I'm sure that Samsung is no different.

What I really want is a CM 10.1.. much better than any stock Samsung ROM. But I also see no development in that direction. There are too many devices out there. It's becoming chaos and just very few can catch the time and resources of the developers. Samsung products get worse and worse in quality, Android messier and less truly "open" while Goggle itself more and more controlling.. the whole thing is a mess. I am tired and disappointed. My first original Galaxy Tab 7 was and is still king. Surely getting slower by all current measures but STILL working like new. Amazing build quality, almost 4 years of development and still going.. I'm running 4.4.2 on it, flawlessly.. how ironic this is..

VeEuzUKY said:
What I really want is a CM 10.1.. much better than any stock Samsung ROM. But I also see no development in that direction. There are too many devices out there. It's becoming chaos and just very few can catch the time and resources of the developers. Samsung products get worse and worse in quality, Android messier and less truly "open" while Goggle itself more and more controlling.. the whole thing is a mess. I am tired and disappointed. My first original Galaxy Tab 7 was and is still king. Surely getting slower by all current measures but STILL working like new. Amazing build quality, almost 4 years of development and still going.. I'm running 4.4.2 on it, flawlessly.. how ironic this is..
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Well you can always try and start development for yourself.
The hardware in the note 10.1 is used in a lot of other devices that are already running KK so all necessary software and drivers should be available.
In theory it wouldn't be all that difficult to port the note pro 12 rom for example. I'm thinking about maybe giving it a go but I'm not really sure where to start.

rajackar said:
Well you can always try and start development for yourself.
The hardware in the note 10.1 is used in a lot of other devices that are already running Kk so all necessary software and drivers should be available.
In theory it wouldn't be all that difficult to port the note pro 12 rom for example. I'm thinking about maybe giving it a go but I'm not really sure where to start.
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Same here.. totally agree with you. A 10.1 build should not be so difficult to get together as the hardware is so similar to other machines. That would solve all problems once and for all. But like U, I have no idea where to start.. alone I can't do it. Small team would be great. I'm even willing to pitch some money to get this started and everyone motivated. I am a few days away from selling this tab and giving up. It's useless like it is for me. And I need make the dpi higher because all too small and badly formatted as it is with some of the apps I use at the default 320dpi.. but "darling" Samsung has done something further to this tab's main apps and framework so it will positively NOT boot at higher dpi settings (lower values OK, just not higher).. I tried all possible ways, dpi changing apps and ROMs (I have a P-605). No way. This tab is totally useless not me.. and not to mention I have a disastrous yellow tint on the display and no way to adjust or calibrate that either. Samsung is on the way out of my life.. we get s... t software, no updates and impossible to even try fix it.. is glorious.. I'm done and done..

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Same here.. totally agree with you. A 10.1 build should not be so difficult to get together as the hardware is so similar to other machines. That would solve all problems once and for all. But like U, I have no idea where to start.. alone I can't do it. Small team would be great. I'm even willing to pitch some money to get this started and everyone motivated. I am a few days away from selling this tab and giving up. It's useless like it is for me. And I need make the dpi higher because all too small and badly formatted as it is with some of the apps I use at the default 320dpi.. but "darling" Samsung has done something further to this tab's main apps and framework so it will positively NOT boot at higher dpi settings (lower values OK, just not higher).. I tried all possible ways, dpi changing apps and ROMs (I have a P-605). No way. This tab is totally useless not me.. and not to mention I have a disastrous yellow tint on the display and no way to adjust or calibrate that either. Samsung is on the way out of my life.. we get s... t software, no updates and impossible to even try fix it.. is glorious.. I'm done and done..
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I'd be up for giving it a try with some people.
I have a strong background in IT and software and have some limited programming knowledge so I should be able to get all this.
This guide might be a nice place to start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908008
Maybe we can set up a seperate thread if we can get some people on board.

rajackar said:
I'd be up for giving it a try with some people.
I have a strong background in IT and software and have some limited programming knowledge so I should be able to get all this.
This guide might be a nice place to start:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1908008
Maybe we can set up a seperate thread if we can get some people on board.
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I'm totally up for it. Count me in and let's do it. But remember there are 2 fundamentally different machines.. the Exynos and the Qualcomm/LTE (like mine) are different animals in many ways..

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I'm totally up for it. Count me in and let's do it. But remember there are 2 fundamentally different machines.. the Exynos and the Qualcomm/LTE (like mine) are different animals in many ways..
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I totally agree, howerver I hope the porting process will not be that much different.
A succesful port on one model will probably make the porting process for the other a lot easier to pull off.

rajackar said:
I totally agree, howerver I hope the porting process will not be that much different.
A succesful port on one model will probably make the porting process for the other a lot easier to pull off.
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Let's start a new thread and can some talent gathered and together to get this done! And U want developan overclocking kernel for the P-605. Qualcomm CPUs can go very high.. my HP TouchPad with a venerable Dual-core 1.2GHz running KitKat is overclocked to 2.1GHz stable. I've had this machine for 3 years.. First Gingerbrea, then ICS, then finally CM 10.1. Initially overclocked to 1.7, later 1.9 and finally 2.1 wwith KitKat. Yeah, it runs hot.. but who cares? Rock solid for 3 years and going strong. I bet the 2.3GHz Snapdragon can go easily past 2.5 or 2.7.. and this Tab is large.. plenty of space to dissipate heat.. If we can get CM 10.1 running and push the CPU, this will be an amazing machine..

7 mths old and still no 4.4.3/4.4.4

So... do we start calling this tablet an "orphan" by Samsung? I didn't want to regret moving away from Google's "Nexus" line when I bought my TabPro 8.4, but... how long are we going to be stuck on 4.4.2?
It would be great if we got an upgrade to 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 along with some bugfixes. Since it looks like an HTC-built Nexus 8" tablet is coming soon, if by the time it comes out we're still stuck on "NG1 4.4.2" I might have to re-consider my options...
If anyone has any news on this subject it would be great to hear!
Also, out of curiosity, what version of Android is the Tab S currently at?

locutusx said:
So... do we start calling this tablet an "orphan" by Samsung? I didn't want to regret moving away from Google's "Nexus" line when I bought my TabPro 8.4, but... how long are we going to be stuck on 4.4.2?
It would be great if we got an upgrade to 4.4.3 or 4.4.4 along with some bugfixes. Since it looks like an HTC-built Nexus 8" tablet is coming soon, if by the time it comes out we're still stuck on "NG1 4.4.2" I might have to re-consider my options...
If anyone has any news on this subject it would be great to hear!
Also, out of curiosity, what version of Android is the Tab S currently at?
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What exactly are you missing in 4.4.3 or 4.4.4? They both are pretty minor updates. All Samsung's high-end tablets from the N10.1-14 on are on 4.4.2 so no one has something you don't. People who put a high priority on updates shouldn't buy devices with an overlay.

is any Samsung device running 4.4.3? To my understanding the Tab S and Galaxy S5 are still on 4.4.2. The cosmetic updates in 4.4.3 won't be noticed since Touchwiz covers them up anyway. I read Samsung implemented the 4.4.4 security patches in it's own separate firmware updates.

Well, the webview enhancements in 4.4.3 improve performance of any app which uses webview.
Also, pretty sure I saw quite a few mentions of various other Sammy devices getting 4.4.3 firmwares uploaded onto sammobile.com which was starting to irk me.

As long as I get android L I'm happy
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The biggest problem I have with it isn't the lack of an update, but the sluggishness of the OS. It's an octa-core processor with a 1.9gHz clock speed on four of them! Also the Wifi was better on my iPad 2 than on this brand new device!
Should've chosen something with a Quallcom processor, then I could have some decent custom ROMs...

A 4.4.4 update came out yesterday (9/10) for my T-Mobile Galaxy S4, so hopefully that mean it'll come out for the Tab Pro soon. The update does not update the UI. I'm not aware of a 4.4.4 update for other S4 and the S5. I believe T-Mobile pushed the update because it includes a new in-flight (airplane) text function/service they'll advertise next week.

Act of good faith
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What exactly are you missing in 4.4.3 or 4.4.4? They both are pretty minor updates. All Samsung's high-end tablets from the N10.1-14 on are on 4.4.2 so no one has something you don't. People who put a high priority on updates shouldn't buy devices with an overlay.
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The issue in my opinion is the show of support from the manufacturer, giving us the latest update is a sign of good faith whilst not doing so, esp after 7 months shows they don't really care about tab pro users.

There is NO Galaxy Tab with Android >4.4.2 - so why do you moan they don't care about Tab Pro users when there is no newer version on newer tablets (e.g. Tab S)?

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The issue in my opinion is the show of support from the manufacturer, giving us the latest update is a sign of good faith whilst not doing so, esp after 7 months shows they don't really care about tab pro users.
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Once Samsung have your money they really don't give a damn about supporting your product.
My Galaxy W (i8150) was abandoned by them within 6 months of release and never received an update from GB to ICS even though similar age and spec models by them did.
The S3 has been dumped at JB 4.3 because they can't fit all their bloatware into the KK ROM.
The TabPRO seems to be EOL after less than a year.....
It's par for the course with Sammy unfortunately - which is why we are lucky to have such an amazing amount of support from Dev's on XDA.

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Since it looks like an HTC-built Nexus 8" tablet is coming soon...
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I don't expect to be able to hold the 4:3 Nexus 8" tablet in one hand, like I do with my Tab Pro 8.4.
I also imagine it won't have an SD Card.
But the regular OS updates to seem tempting.

My hand gets tired very quickly when I try to hold the Tab Pro 8.4 in one hand, so I don't see the Nexus 8 being any different in that regard.
I'm only using 900MB of the 64GB SD Card in my Tab Pro -- 62GB free.
Reason is, there are barely any apps I can move to SD card, and even then there are side-effects like the icon won't stay on my home screen so I end up just moving them back to main memory. Also I have Google All-Access Music so I don't need to keep lots of music on my tablet. And for videos/movies, I use Netflix and PLEX so no need to keep videos locally on the tablet. So obviously, i'd be ok with a Nexus tablet without SD card slot. ( But I would still try to go for a 32GB+ )
Also, i have some minor build quality issues with my Tab Pro 8.4 -- in particular there seems to be some very minor "squeaky/creaky" noises when I touch certain areas of the touch screen or around the bezel. Not a serious issue, mind you, but in contrast both my Nexus S and Nexus 4 have zero build quality issues.

Hey, I saw on twitter today that the "T-Mobile" version of the Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014) is getting a 4.4.4 update soon!
Good news, right? Becuase it means the GTP version of that firmware update may be coming up soon afterwards. At least for the GTP 10.1" version.
Not sure about the GTP 8.4, it's pretty different from the Note 10.1 ...

I use link2sd app in the playstore great app, been using for a few years now. Native app2sd is not that great
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Just use a custom ROM and you will have a newer version. I have already lost faith in Samsung for their software.

I have a new slogan for Samsung, "It is, what it is". You could follow that with "take it or leave it" I bought my gt p 8.4 with no expectation of any updates. If I get one I will be thrilled.
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Full/Debloated - Rooted - DeOdex - T320XAR1ANG1 - (08/03/14)
I have been rockin with:
Full/Debloated - Rooted - DeOdex - T320XAR1ANG1 - (08/03/14) on my T320.
This thing runs almost as good as my Note 3 running Alliance.
I tried the Daydream ROM and it was VERY lite on system storage but it had issues with some of my gaming.
It's nice to re live the good old Game Boy Advance and N64 days on this huge high res screen...
The lack of a OTG USB controller puts my Moga Pro Power to great use.
I use my Note 3 to email the boss to let him know that I cant get to work until the ice melts.
GAME ON ANYWHERE

Is the latest always the greatest?
Not always!
Do you remember SD card disaster with 4.4.x?

Samsung has a great upgrade program. Every time a new version of Android is released, they release a new tablet running it.
But seriously, I'm not too concerned about 4.4.2 to 4.4.4. I would rather they develop a Lollipop release. Fine with me if they take a couple of months to get it right. I'll be needing it on the Tab Pro 8.4 and Note 10.1 (2014).

I give up. Time to get rid of the Note Pro

I really liked the size of this tablet and thought that Samsung would at least keep the software updated for a little longer than they did.
No new version, seems like they made the new version for Windows OS only.
I gave up and got a Tab S3, maybe one day Samsung will make another larger Android tablet.
Until then, my pristine Note Pro is heading for swappa.

You are going to get rid of your 'pristine Note Pro' just because the OS isn't updated? I don't get it. I can use mine for a lot of productivity apps even though it isn't being updated to the latest OS version.

You might consider installing a rom from here like Lineage and getting full Nougat, changed the entire experience, and on a par with my wife's iPad Pro now. Where there's a will, there's a way.
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You do realize Google's contracts with manufacturers only last 2 years? The only devices that are updated after two years are Pixels and Apple. The NotePro is 3 years old. The contract for the updates ended 12 months ago.
I have never understood this obsession people have with updates. What, does the device stop working when it doesn't get a new update?
I'm a massive fan of 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it.'
My NotePro is on P905XXUANC3/P905DBTANC3. March 2014, 4.4.2.
My Note 3 is still on the very stable N9005XXUENB7/N9005DBTENB2. February 2014, 4.4.2.
I have absolutely no desire to update my device at the risk of reduced battery life, bugs and issues. And before anyone goes "That doesn't happen", the Bluetooth issues with 5.0 most definitely did happen. It works perfectly, why the hell would I compromise that?
I hear this nonsense a lot. "I want to end my contract because you haven't updated yet!" "I'm never buying a Samsung again because the phone wasn't updated 4 years after it came out!" Last week someone was whining about how it was fraud that his S3 didn't get Nougat.(!) The only thing missing is stomping feet and holding breath.

People can do what they want with their own devices. I love updates, but won't whine when I don't get them. My Note Pro is running Lineage and is running like a new device. I have no issues. I also had no issues on the stock ROM and would not consider my productivity in jeopardy because I don't have the latest updates. I do agree that some are a little more emotional about such things than seems reasonable. I don't see how a devices usefulness is reduced because of the lack of updates.

I agree. Although I would like to see some security updates to protect me from the bad guys.

ShadowLea said:
You do realize Google's contracts with manufacturers only last 2 years? The only devices that are updated after two years are Pixels and Apple. The NotePro is 3 years old. The contract for the updates ended 12 months ago.
I have never understood this obsession people have with updates. What, does the device stop working when it doesn't get a new update?
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Obsession? Stop posting such nonsense. Samsung stopped issuing updates for what used to be their highend device after a year and a half. And that is really disappointing. Especially when the device was still being sold long after that.

One thing i will add is that most devices are designed to run optimally when they are released on the os of the initial release. Even further updates by the manufacturer invariably compromise the performance of the device.
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admisi said:
One thing i will add is that most devices are designed to run optimally when they are released on the os of the initial release. Even further updates by the manufacturer invariably compromise the performance of the device.
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Not according to my experience with Tab 2 7.0, Tab 3 8.0 and S4. I have updated them all to the latest LineageOS and they all perform better than when they were new. The reason they don't update their devices is obvious, it costs money, and they want people to buy new devices.

To me, as a junkie for custom Android versions, I find the lack of a Samsung update untroubling. Currently I'm running a version of marshmallow hacked from the Samsung tab s2 by @bonuzzz to run on this. Works a charm and runs apps such as soundcamp that make this baby seem new.
And... I note there's an android 7 just being released for the above tablet... so maybe bonuzzz or someone else will port it over for us as well.
It's a good time to own one of these babies from my point of view.

ShadowLea said:
I'm a massive fan of 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it.'
My NotePro is on P905XXUANC3/P905DBTANC3. March 2014, 4.4.2.
My Note 3 is still on the very stable N9005XXUENB7/N9005DBTENB2. February 2014, 4.4.2.
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The "don't fix it if it ain't broken" idea here is totally irrelevant. People don't want to update because it is broken but because they want the new functionalities!! NotePro is not just a random low level tablet, it's an excellent one and it should have at least been updated to Android 6.

First of all my notepro runs on stock 5.02 from samsung.. And it is still working like a charm.. The problem I have now is that I am starting to run out of storage space and 5.02 has the stupid implementation of the extended storage also being the internal storage, not the SD. So a lot of apps don't install the huge data on SD but also internal.. And Samsung comes with too much bloatware that is also only getting bigger after each update..
So after a lot of years I see myself forced now to do one out of 2 things:
1. Get root and delete a lot of samsung bs apps
2. install a totally different rom
what would you advise?

Any one of those (1. or 2.) can and will brick something that you used to use. Most likely the S-pen functions. But there are other horror stories out their about doing what you want to do and the user finding a problem later.

admisi said:
You might consider installing a rom from here like Lineage and getting full Nougat, changed the entire experience
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Do they fully support the S-Pen?

andytiedye said:
Do they fully support the S-Pen?
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Yes and no. Lineage supports S Pen, but you don't get the Touchwiz stuff such as S Note etc, but easily substituted with Squid from the Play Store, which in my opinion is better.

Some of us don't have the option of custom ROMs. I am stuck with either unrooted Lollipop or rooted KitKat. Funny how some criticize others for wanting to have current software on their expensive devices...

(2017) S-Pen Backwards Compatability
billinaz said:
I gave up and got a Tab S3, maybe one day Samsung will make another larger Android tablet.
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Does the (2017) S-Pen from the Tab S3 happen to work on the Note 12.2?
Thanks!

I'm convinced that now is the best time to own one of these tablets. In fact, I bought an SM-P907a last night. This is based on my ownership of a Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1(2014) for the last couple years. This has been running stock Rom, because it's an SM-P605v. So far, no one's been able to figure out how to root it or upgrade it past Android 5.1.1. Even so, Google is continuing to upgrade Google Play Services, making these Samsung devices the best product on the market bar none. They're no longer the fastest on the market, but are better featured than anything out there, including the Surface Pro, IPad Pro, and yes, even the Samsung Tab S3 (It has no connectivity capabilities, and I personally like the fact that the Galaxy Pro, and Note 10.1 have the S Pen mounted internally). The reasons I've decided to buy the Galaxy Pro amount to screen real estate for sketching, and display of my sheet music while I'm playing and singing. My advice, keep your tablet. You're not going to find anything to replace it that will really meet your expectations for some time yet. I'm planning on using the Galaxy Pro for at least a couple of years, advance giving the Note 10.1 to my wife.

If you are willing to root your Note Pro P900, there are two different roms recently posted under development that port the Samsung S2's version of Marshmallow -- complete w/ Samsung apps and touchwiz -- to this tablet.
"Yet Another Marshmallow Rom" (this is the one I am using at the moment)
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-pro-12/development/p900-marshmallow-rom-t3604194
And this one (camera doesn't work with it):
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-pro-12/development/p900-touchwiz-marshmallow-t3567916
I post these here because they not only allow upgrading to Marshmallow while keeping the Samsung Touchwiz vibe, they also allow installing some apps the Pro 12.2 couldn't run otherwise. Soundcamp, and at least two art programs.
So don't give up on the Pro 12.2 yet.
Blessings.

Kingsman1 said:
I bought an SM-P907a last night.
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shonkin said:
If you are willing to root your Note Pro P900, there are two different roms recently posted under development that port the Samsung S2's version of Marshmallow -- complete w/ Samsung apps and touchwiz -- to this tablet.
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He has a 907a. No ROMs.