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Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
I noticed that too, then again...most of the nexus ROMs out are near perfect...and don't require as much hackery as the G1 Roms did...I dunno whatsup with any ports as of yet, but I'm sure things will pick up.
AbsoluteDesignz said:
most of the nexus ROMs out are near perfect...
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This is exactly it. The fact that there aren't constant updates to ROMs is a success I think...it means nothing is horridly broken. This is the first phone I've had in a long time, that I've been so satisfied with, I'm not flashing a new ROM every other day.
We have the latest version of android out there that is accessible by the public or the ROM devs (that they can release).
We aren't trying to backport features because of the above.
The only real (I say real in a non "thanks bro" way) ROM porter we have is without internet (I assume on vacation).
As stated above, most things already work as they should.
While development is slow compared to the G1, also remember that all of our devs also do work on other devices and don't just devote all their android expertise to just one phone.
There isn't any new material to work with. Until Google releases FroYo or new beta updates we're at a stand still.
If you worked in the software world, you would be seeing this as a good thing
chowdarygm said:
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
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Here you go!
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Hope to see some awesome ROMs from you.
Enjoy!
Its a good thing because there are no major bugs in existing ROMs. They only get updated when google or some dev introduces new features...
This is my first phone which is still running stock ROM. With all my earlier devices...something always seemed broken or felt like it lacked something.
When I had Touch.. Touchflo was launched by HTC and all the ROM development was diverted to getting Touchflo on Touch. And with lack of enough RAM, there were always choices to be made on what you want and hence many ROMS
Then I got Diamond. It was good, but again had less RAM than Touch Pro. Again race was to get Touch Pro features in Diamond and again choices had to be made to cramp up things in the limited storage.
Then I got Touch Pro... and within few months, Diamond II and Touch Pro II was launched. Cooks started scrambling to get new touchflo 3d on Diamond and Touch Pro.
Then I got Diamond II, and sure enough HTC continued there trend of backstabbing it's customers and launched HD2 with new touchflo aka Sense. Cooks then started to figure out ways to get Sense UI on diamond II.
So you see, there were always things lacking... which forced cooks to figure out things that HTC should have done for us. HTC's first Touch phone was launched along with iPhone... but touch hasn't received any updates for past 2 years.... and Apple is still supporting iPhone (although no OS4 for them).
N1 on the other hand is Google's responsibility. We have the latest OS and features. There is not enough "to-do" things here.
Regardless of that, our Chefs are doing amazing job at giving us the features which AOSP is still finalizing.
With all due respect to you.. I think it is a bit unfair to say that the chefs aren't doing much.
chowdarygm said:
Hi all
Love my Nexus One
being a heavy user of many winmo and android devices feel like the ROM development on this is very dull
any reasons?
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I'm sorry, we'll get right on it, boss.
It is "slow" because the phone and the ROMs are so damn fast and good already. You can't port 1.5/6 ROMs over because we can't map the buttons without having a 1.5/6 Kernel made for the Nexus One. That is never going to happen.
As well, really? What is slow about the development? We have tons of new apps coming out all the time, the ROMs we have a super fast and super stable. New Kernels every day or two pushing battery life and CPU power even further.
There is tons of development going on. Just because you aren't seeing new ROMs every day doesn't mean a lack of development, it means the ROMs we have are super solid, and development has shifted to making the other aspects better, like apps themselves, and so forth. That is one of the best things about Android, you don't need to flash a new ROM just to get some new apps, like HexiLauncher and what not, all you need to do is install the app, and voila you have a new home/launcher option on your phone.
Or, you don't need to flash a new ROM just to get a new kernel, you can flash the kernel yourself (if you know how to follow simple instructions) that gives you the newest features, and features that mean more to our phones running super fast than a new ROM would mean... actually by ROM I am talking about system.img...
Anyways, if you really think things are just way to slow, then either learn how to do it yourself, make a huge donation to your favorite developer on the basis of them picking up the pace (and by huge, I mean 50k+, so they can quit their day job), or just accept the simple fact that there is a ton of development going on already, you (and many as of late) don't seem to understand enough to realize that kernels and apps are more important, at this point in time, than a ROM update every other day.
LOL another one of these threads curious as to what else can you ask for? All the tweaks that are available and possible for this phone has already been done.
thanks to all those who replied.
i am not blaming any chefs. they are doing a highly respected job and i respect them and their work very much. thanks to all of them
i was just telling that the no.of chefs on this device are very less but maybe the reasons are diff as everyone told
like king personally coz he does experiments like blur and others
personally i like experimenting with diff roms , so only felt little jobless as compared to other devices but happy with almost perfect device.
Now this I would agree with you. The number of ROM devs are a lot less compared to the G1, :-( the phone is fairly new though.. But the ones we have working on the N1 are all great nevertheless .
chowdarygm said:
thanks to all those who replied.
i am not blaming any chefs. they are doing a highly respected job and i respect them and their work very much. thanks to all of them
i was just telling that the no.of chefs on this device are very less but maybe the reasons are diff as everyone told
like king personally coz he does experiments like blur and others
personally i like experimenting with diff roms , so only felt little jobless as compared to other devices but happy with almost perfect device.
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ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
re: above post..
hahahaha... "XDA Syndrome"
Seriously though, Modaco has been gone for awhile. Got stuck cuz of the volcano issue... it's been weeks since he has released even an update!
We are a little spoiled with the N1 I think... on top of that with 2.2 coming out shortly I think a bunch of cooks will be kinda waiting for that to come out before they do any more major tweaking.
The main thing I personally am waiting for is a fully working SenseUI on the N1.... I kinda thought it would materialize much quicker once the DESIRE came out.
arkavat said:
ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
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LOL... i think i have the same problem im feenin for another enom rom but as he stated he was on vacation which i can respect cause im going to Miami soon. I have no complaints to the rom development but i'd love to see more themes like motoblur style X10 style i miss my motoblur theme on my magic
[edit] And before your go saying i should make one myself i tried and it was to difficult for me for some reason.
Coming from winmo myself it was a change not having a dozen or more roms to choose from but in reality looking at it objectively most of the roms are either adding something that came in a newer device or more or less a rehash of what was already done in that they didnt do anything new but they did it in a different way. Not that the latter is a bad thing, the improved layouts people came up with greatly eased, speeded up, reduceded the number of clicks, etc. in getting where you wanted to go and I at least was happy to see them coming down the pipe. As an aside when winmo was as youthful as android is now there was a lot less rom activity than what you see now as best as I can recall back.
arkavat said:
ahh.. so you are suffering from what I call XDA syndrome. It's when you start feeling uncomfortable when you haven't flashed a new ROM in a week. I had that too... back in WinMo days... fortunately N1 has helped and I have resisted so far!
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lol, I had that like 2 weeks ago...kept flashing and flashing and flashing...finally I settled on my highly customized 5.0.5.3, still haven't jumped to 5.0.6 due to wifi issues (and me being suspended until payment next week)
I had 'XDA Syndrome' with my Magic.. I found myself flashing something new (ROM or theme) every week. Now with my Nexus, I have no desire to do so. Like others have already said, I think it's a testament to the stability of the ROMS out there coupled with the fact that 2.1 is already kick ass. We already have the best software on our N1's people. Believe me, once 3.0 or even Froyo comes out we will see an increase in ROM development.
Also, there may not be many devs for the N1 as of now, but many of the absolute best ones have a Nexus so I'm not worried about future development.
Beeing using the Nexus s I9020T with ICS for a while now, tought i share what i think of them working together. this is not a technical review with scores and such so please don't expect such information here. in fact i'm not going to mention any of the developers, kernel or ROM names here.
Background
Had Nexus one, when the Nexus S arrived i sold it and bought the NS.
I really liked the N1 and it was not easy to let it go, i liked how it felt in my hand and it was a good device... anyway... i tried many roms (almost any ROM and Kernel that were available at that time) with the N1, and then with the NS. these two devices had almost any ROM flashed to them day and night.
Almost there
at the beginning there was no official ICS rom for the NS nor even a full SDK source
but some PORTS where around so i had to try them out.
liked the way it looks but that's it. no stability, many bugs. not for daily use... not even for a night use. going from one build to another didn't make any difference. for example: none of the PORTS managed to activate the Bluetooth device. there was a missing driver (binary) and none of the developers managed to overcome the problem.
ICS SDK
At first a full SDK was released. Builds were a bit better but not enough.
still couldn't use it every day and always had to go back to 2.3.7
at this point i thought: "well i guess i'l have to wait for google to release an official OTA update and then i'll see some real action right ?"
well that was not just a thought but more like logic with a bit of knowing how google usually works. i thought that when google will release an official version for the NS it will probably run smoother because it will have hardware acceleration and google will put a new kernel, and they will make sure it runs well
ICS OTA
"What a great day" i stupidly thought to myself. "finally a new version for my device" i was so stupidly proud (like i made this phone or something) anyway...
i just went from smiling to almost crying ... "Thats it ?" i yelled at it (my NS) "Is that all you got ? What is going on here ? is this for real ? it can't be ... the update.zip file must be fake ! (didn't really think it was a fake...) it can't be it ? this is it ? this is ICS ? slow,unresponsive,slow,and slow ? that's all there is ? and in addition to that it was very very slow...
"ICS Roms"
Used all custom ICS roms available and any tweaked kernel that i found. yet,
still too slow for me...
my current Rom and kernel are the fastest i could find and don't get me wrong it is stable,no bugs and i use it daily. but after using gingerbread for so long, i guess i got use to the speed too much, after using it for a week, i'm starting to get use to it i can't say that it is great for me now... but i'm not giving up !
Calling All Devs
Hopefully we will start seeing some tweaked kernel and optimized custom roms soon. for now my NS will rest ... just for now...
http://youtu.be/EF3Al_HxYdc?hd=1
I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
I think that leak does not come with the source code. Thus there will not be any practical improvement right now.
Or, most likely ever. I doubt things will go much farther, and I'm usually the optimistic one
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nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
Pixelguy said:
nope, i think the ics leak was just a one off leak from what motorola actually got round to doing before they abandoned the project, which personally is really bad the roms are just crappy (no offence to developers but the lack of resources means they will always be crappy), everyone says the roms are good but every ics rom iv used is awful, overheating, bugs, battery life sucks, cameras lag, and doesnt compare to a stable cm7 which works completely fine and does everything ics can do anyway.. hmm... i guess everyone just keeps giving themselves false hope, although the possibility of a stable ics is much more than the chance of jellybean & as for the cm10/jellybean thing dont get your hopes up the signs of HWA are non existent and i really dont think they ever will be unless somebody makes a kernel from scratch which for a mobile device would take endless hours of work and testing each boot would probably get your through about 50 atrix phones from hard bricks etc... and i dont think our developers have the time or money to do so... even with donations.
its just not worth it, the atrix is a dying breed if you dont like cm7 then buy a new phone, its that simple, confuses me why everyone acts like cm7 is some sort of bugged crappy software that doesnt work? yet its still a very stable software.
i think everyone should stop concentrating on ICS and jellybean until we actually hear news that will be helpful to creating a stable build and in the mean time focus on improving cm7 with mods and other things, right now cm7 is basically abandoned and the thing its been abandoned for has been on hold for around 3 months.
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Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
Having the kernel source would solve many issues, but after Motorola abandoned the device it's very unlikely they'll commit any more resources into releasing the half working source code. Of course we'd like to see the source released as it existed under development, but from what I understand, the the source that gets released isn't always exactly the same as what they work with when they compile it and things like extremely helpful comments in the code get removed because of things like NDA's. And although many of the libs and drivers can be extracted from the ROM, the code to use them has been lost.
As it stands, the Atrix Rebirth Project is probably the best chance for seeing a fully functional kernel source for ICS and beyond. But as has been pointed out already, interest in the device has been dying, and even if the project does manage to make it happen, it's not going to happen overnight.
Jotokun said:
Its not that simple. Once you've had a taste of Android 4.X, its nearly impossible to go back. I'm stuck on Epinter's CM10 because of that, every time I try switching back to a CM7 based rom I find it randomly jittery and with a lot of small annoyances. Both of which I never noticed before trying Joker's CM9.
Even when I switched from CM7 to CM9, I remember CM7 was more or less perfect in its current state. Work stopped on it because there's not much else that can be done with it. Its hit its peak, and for those not spoiled by the more polished versions of Android it is indeed the ideal rom for our device. That does not mean work should stop on ICS/JB, though. The big issue we have is the kernel, of which there are several projects in the works to port kernels from other devices. Its something that'll take (a lot of) time, but long term it'll be much better for our devices than making barely noticeable changes to Gingerbread roms.
With that said, you are right in that the ICS leak is more or less useless without source code. Crappy battery and display issues on some variants of Atrix completely ruin it.
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hmm i used pinters cm10 for a week and went back to MROM cm7 and customised it to my liking with ICS themes and text changers, looks just like ICS runs just as smooth as a buggy JB rom, thats the problem the performance of CM10 roms without HWA is about the same as a good CM7 rom... just with a few features like google now which nobody really uses anyway, although i understand where your coming from when it comes too the UI and animations on JB roms they are very nice but id rather sacrafice them and have a phone that will work 100%
I'm very naive to the inner workings of android
I also returned to mrom from epinters cm 10 and icsrom because of lack of camcorder or terrible battery life.
Now with mrom I have a very smooth launcher and all apps working. I do miss jellybeans nice interface, but what are the more fundamental improvements that gingerbread lacks? Besides feeling outdated and old of course :/
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Zero usefulness. Novelty item at best.
It's interesting to read opinion of no-developers is it something useful or not. Only developers could say something about it. Also most of you are so pessimistic, complaining that developing is dying.
xda-developers is for site and forum for developers. If you think that developing is dying, come on, do something about. Join Atrix Rebirth Project, start to learn how to develop kernel and rom. There is a lot of guides here and on Internet. Instead of spending time on forum and waiting that someone else do it for you and for free. If you don't have time to learn, contribute on another way: support developers, donate money or device, try to find solution, use your contacts to get leaked sources...
The easiest way is to buy a new device and start complain after a while
I have been very pleased with the stock GB rom. I have a Nexus 7 and an old HTC Aria, both running the latest version of JB and, other than a more up-to-date appearance, there's really nothing I can't do on the Atrix that I can do on the JB devices.
Its amazing what the developers have been able to do with the HTC Aria. It has very little memory, but they have created virtually unlimited program memory by using an extended partition on the SD card. The Aria also runs JB almost flawlessly.
If JB could run on the Atrix 4G the way it runs on my Aria, I would use it. But from what I've read, it has a long way to go. I am not even sure I would even be able to root my Atrix, which has the latest GB update from Motorola.
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Slymayer said:
I've got a question I tried to answer myself, but I couldn't resist to post it on the forum.
Is the ICS leak a great step forward for all Atrix users ?
For those who wanted HWA, fingerprint scanner, working camera, of course it is... But is it a step forward for the release of a STABLE CM10 with a STABLE kernel ? This question is more open to a debate than a simple answer.
This leak didn't provide any option for those who have the wrong tegrapart (Mine is OK), or a lapdock, or those who use Chrome and want a generally reliable ROM (Stability, I/O perfs, battery life). They have to make a compromise but we still didn't reach THE ROM(s) that makes everybody happy.
The missing thing to get the ROM(s) that will make us all happy is the kernel source... Why didn't we get it with the ICS leak ? Well let's exclude this question from this thread and maybe talk about it after this debate is (almost) closed.
Personally I'm happy to have this new ROM, it's fast, smooth etc. but my lapdock is still borked so I'm really frustrated not to have this awesome tablet display that works with EVERYTHING but not MOTOROLA's own peripheral... Damn it !
So, what's your case ? Of course you may have found satisfaction with the ICS leak, but are you as frustrated as I am to be this close to the ultimate goal ?
The debate is open, I hope I broke the ice for some people who are in my case and feel like forgotten.
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Yeah right ! talking about this leak ... is a >small< step foward !
Just imagine Michael Montuori out of here, Or the Bill ?! epinter !? Faux, or jocker that has made a wonderfull job and the other in the early days of the atrix .... all source code builder out of this atrix family at once !
Well ... Motorola doesnt have a great support for the moment ! as their Blur OS is ****ty slow ! :S
I own a Car dock, A HD Multimedia Dock and a great lapdock !
I approve that this is still frustrating (and i know the devs out there are NOT getting Paid enough for a better work than MOTOROLA itself,) that motorola own product doesnt have support yet ! but still have on a direct DHMI cable straight to the tv !! WTF ?!?!!
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
Our devs are GREAT but unfortunately, we still need that damn MOTO support for their drivers source for the new OS :S
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sathelate said:
Well, its not going to change anything here, i mean this thread ... but .. well .. you know ! YEAH its awkward and " fais chier bordel" hahaha
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I would even say "Bordel à couilles de constructeur de mes deux !". I'm writing this using my lapock... On my tiny screen, with my main screen at 45° so I can still read what I'm writing. I dreamt about WT3.0 with working LAPDOCK, it would have been so gorgeous, but it's currently not happening. "Nique cette merde !", I'm buying a Windows Phone next year when the ecosystem gets more apps and stuff. The news are getting warmer for this OS ! The amazing keyboard made in WP7/8 will replace my lapdock I use as a keyboard.
Development IS actually dying, look at the Atrix 4G development section where there used to be several ROMs under active development there are now just a few. Nearly everything that can be done has been done with the exception of what the Atrix rebirth project is doing. But there is no guarantee of success. If you have the money or a device to donate to the rebirth project, great, by all means go for it. Maybe one of the other tegra based moto devices might help a bit too. Unfortanately I think it's pretty hard to hold any level of optimism for the device after such a long string of let downs.
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I see the ICS leak as interesting but not overly useful.
Now, if they'd also leaked the source code, I don't doubt that the devs could have created a fully-features and stable ICS/JB within a couple of months. However, with no source for such a buggy leak, we're reliant on a few people trying to create a kernel almost from scratch. I wish them well, but I'm not holding my breath...
When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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Like you? And you think that you're smart. That's exactly what vendors wish, get a new device. Bravo
Edit: With your latest posts in Atrix forum you're the same as maggedo or member with Atrix in name. Ups, you have Motorola
How long N4 will be the best device for you? What I see not so long
I think it's interesting how people work:
First everyone was crying about the fact, that Motorola left us out in the cold and now that we have a actually really good leak, people cry that it's not good enough... That's just sad. The leak is useful and it's a big step into the right direction. A lot of people put in hours of work for you (and for FREE!!!), to make this leak better. All you need is PATIENCE. Be grateful that some devs stick to this EOL-device and provide great work for us.
-Just my 2 cents-
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When you feel like the development is hopeless , waste all of your time and try fixing things yourself get a new phone.
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And... What about people who can't get a new device ? I bought mine like 6 months ago, it was for my birthday and I can't waste money on a newer phone like this.
But there must be some kind of "break-even" ahead.
How many hours of work and energy may be put from the most "valuable brains" into the leak (without having sourcecode), until they must decide: "enough is enough, it just will never turn out as "stable"?
From what I've understood there exists some good chances that maybe some day valuable parts of the XOOM kernel get migrated to the Atrix (see respective thread under development area).
May the last remaining devs of a dying device - whose work I greatly respect and appreciate! - join forces and turn more efforts into porting the xoom?
Hello Guys,
welcome to the world of Team-Exodus.
What is Team-Exodus ?
We are a small group of entusiasts that like to learn more about Android and the Android-ROM developement.
We aren't exactly beginners But there is still room to learn more (you never end learning).
What is Exodus-Rom ?
Maybe, we better should start, what Exodus-Rom isn't: It isn't a (semi)professional mainstream ROM like CyanogenMod,AOKP or similar Roms. We don't focus on buzzword features, nor are we into "bling bling" options. We don't need a "change clock color" option, just because we can do it. These are "low hanging fruits", something nearly everybody can do, who has a computer to compile Android.
So what is Exodus-Rom, what is our focus on ?
We mainly focus on learning how things can be done. We are more into "quality over quantity". We prefer to have 4 or 5 real good and stable working features and not 20-30 features that work... somehow... sometimes...
We want performance, a fast, smooth fluid UI, a real good user experience, not a overbloated kang rom.
For instant that's the main reason why we currently don't have a Marshmallow Rom online, but I will give you a little more information regarding Exodus-6.0 (marshmallow) later.
But before that, who are we, who is "Team-Exodus" ?
The core team of "Team-Exodus" consists of the following guys:
@PrimeDirective - Dave, a very talented developer from the US, founder and Team Leader of Team-Exodus, specialist in App developement (for instant our Exodus Updater or the Drop Wallpaper App) and also our specialist for in deep functionalities of the Android Rom (like a complete rewritten Navbar customization). He currently uses bacon (Oneplus One) and Flounder (Nexus 9) for developenemt
@Raja.M - Raja, a real nice guy from India, he is our java specialist, he started Android developement something link 6 month ago but his knowledge is fast growing. He developes on the bacon (Oneplus One)
@TheCrazyLex - Alex, a kernel specialist from germany, he joined Team-Exodus like 3 month ago, mainly responsible to optimize and unify our kernels where possible. He also uses the Bacon (Oneplus One) as developement device.
@usmcamgrimm - Adrian, our graphics and theme specialist. Beside his amazing wallpapers, he is also responsible for all our LGE G3 devices. He mainly developes on the VS985.
@Martin_Ro - myself, Martin, also from germany, mostly responsible for the server with the build system, gerrit and download page. I'm also developing here and there if I find some time as I'm a married guy with to young boys. I'm developing on shamu (Nexus 6).
But beside this core team, there are a lot more ppl that help us making the Exodus Rom as amazing as possible, I will add some more of them step by step
So, now, back to Marshmallow and why it takes so much more time to bring an Exodus-6.0 to you guys:
For this to understand, you need to know more about where we come from.
On late 2014 we (Dave and Me) parted from VanirAOSP (that wasn't really AOSP but also used CM as base at that time btw) because we feeled like it started to get more and more into that mainstream "feature count is everything".
With 5.1 we started to directly use CyanogenMod (cm-12.1) as base, but was somewhat annoyed by upcomming issues because they used their open source branch as testfield for unfinished stuff, so for 6.0 we decided to go as near as possible back to strict AOSP.
But a matter of fact is: With strict AOSP you aren't able to support every device, and not as many devices as we want to support. So we have had to make some decisions and try some stuff. In the end we started developing Exodus-6.0 with a Mixture of strict AOSP and CAF as base, with the really amazing wide support of CyanogenMod regarding devices.
But with this, we got back to one of our main concerns: CyanogenMod is doing a fantastic job regarding device support (nobody can beat them in that department) but they are cluttering their stuff more and more. In the past few month, they started to create their own SDK, their own framework. And their SDK started to grow like a octupus, sticking his arms into every aspect of android. But we don't want to use their sdk, so we needed to remove it from everywhere.
And that was, what took so long. We wanted the device-tree and their hardware layer, but not their feature, and for sure not their SDK. And removing that stuff from everywhere inside the device-trees and Hardware layer.
Also we needed to use some of their code stuff in various places to make the connection between our AOSP/CAF based ROM and their hardware/device stuff.
So that took us nearly a month to finish up, but now we have first working experimental builds for bacon, shamu and VS985 so we can go into the real developing stuff.
There is still a lot to do (bring back all the features we want to, make the rom that fluid that you might be used to from EXODUS-5.1 etc.) But the real hard part is done now and we are way neared to a first public beta. Depending on the time Dave can find for Exodus (he is really really busy currently because of a new job), we expect to have a public beta by the end of the month...
So stay tuned and be patient
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Hello! I enjoyed the 1/2 of the core team's and the new teams work since JB VanirAOSP to Exodus .
Just wondering, it would be cool to say what you do to seperate you guys from the rest. I know you guys build with jdk8 instead of jdk7 for the lollipop builds and use Linaro with some optimization flags.
I'd like to know if you do more than that and also I am wondering how JDK8 especially helps with optimization.
If you need a tester for bacon. I'm here very big fan of 5.1.
Nice to hear the updates... waiting patiently...
Sounds like the beta will become a christmas present.
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big fan/user of Exodus 5.1 on falcon. out of all the LP ROMs i've tried this has to be one of the most stable and lean ROMs out there. love the amount of essential customization catered here and skipping of cliche features that no one bothers to use (atleast me).
big thanks to @sachoosaini for introducing me to the ROM.
Well here it goes on
@PrimeDirective always a great human and great developer who supported Falcon despite the fact that i can never able to contribute the device to you. I find a best buddy out there who will always be my friend... Now @koshikas thanks Dave for supporting this phone, i never did anything for exodus.. But i am committed for future. If Dave continues the journey for exodus i will be with him in all way... Well what he told me around 6-7 months back is now coming to the real world. Now they support falcon or not. But I am honored by Dave for being there with all the silly questions people ask in community, falcon has great life indeed now its upto the team they develope for it not. I will donating device as soon as I am getting my salary which i am for sure going to get soon..... Wish Luck to exodus....6.0 is on the horizon
If you need a tester...
Hey, if you guys need an experienced tester for bacon, look no further. :good:
AndroidPr0 said:
Hey, if you guys need an experienced tester for bacon, look no further. :good:
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I'm with this guy
Where do I go to look at the rims ?....dir a HTC m8 Sprint
With S-on
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Where do I go to look at the rims ?....dir a HTC m8 Sprint
With S-on
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Hm, ok, might be, because english is not my mother language, but for me this sound like "too much drugs and not enough sleep"....
Oh, and by the way:
we just prepared the open source manifest so you can start contribute
I will write a short Facts thread for Exodus-6.0 so you know how to build, and what we changed regarding device-support...
Excelente
Looking real forward to Exodus MM!
sir I am with you here.
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Hey, if you guys need an experienced tester for bacon, look no further. :good:
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I m new here and wish to get some knowledge from senior member.
Thanks for this great rom
Exodus seems cool... hyped for MM release!
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Hi guys
Only to keep you informed: We started publishing official release builds for Exodus-6.0.
Look into your devide Android Developement sections for more information or on our g+ community: https://plus.google.com/communities/106801227383087889476
Hi
I have recently decided to branch out from the m7 to the m9 in the hopes of keeping up with the latest phones. Here's a little background.
I'm -MightyMouse- (formally phonegeekjr) and I've been developing for about 1.5 years. I started with the HTC One XL and did pretty well there, and learned a lot from that device. After that I had an HTC One M7wls. I didn't do as well there for a number of reasons, one of which being I got sloppy. I didn't properly test my ROMs before releasing them and sometimes I would release them with known bugs in them just to get new releases out there. Most of all, I became bored. I was doing the same things I had learned with the One XL and wasn't learning like I was previously (I should probably note that I took no classes in java or any other programming language, I kind of flew by the seat of my pants all the way). The story could go on for a wile, so in the interest of time, I will skip ahead a little. I began working on a ROM for the m9 shortly after I got a developer edition model. I think I am close to releasing for testers, so I'm putting this out in the hopes that I could get a few. I say that I'm looking for testers/developers in my title for a specific reason. I AM WORKING ALONE. I wan't to be able to bring great roms, but I have limited time to work on them. I have come to face the fact that I'm a kid that has to go to school (though i would much rather due this ) and frankly, I want a life. I need some help carrying the load. I like to work with other people and get ideas from other people. and I LOVE TO BE CORRECTED. I'm still learning, and I'm pretty sure I always will be learning. In doing this I hope to make a more stable ROM that people wan't to use. Speaking of which, I should give some details on the ROM.
I named it PhoenixROM back in my One XL days, and I kept the name cause I thought it sounded cool. The M9 version is based on the latest Android Revolution base (huge thanks to mike1986 for letting me use his ROM as a base). I have added a few things like carrier support for sprint and t-mobile. I have also added xposed and xtended settings, as I prefer xtended settings to sense toolbox, though I've left it as an option. I have left the Android Revolution Mods as well. I prefer a cleaner more stock ROM with minor UI edits, and I have used ElementalX since the One XL and haven't stopped using it.
Anyways that's my ROM. If you wan't more info, Check out my website here
If you wan't to contact me about testing or developing, please pm me.
Thanks for reading this and I hope that I hear from some people soon?
MM
It will be perfect to be integrated xtended settings to Phoenix Rom,I've used it in M7 before,but XS is not compatible with M9 at present.I wish you success.
1, listen to your customers.
2, test your roms properly before release no matter how long it takes. Safe is better than bricked.
3, have a goal in mind and stick to it. So many times I've seen roms lose focus due to requests for added items. Just do a complete rom and leave options to the customers.
4, find a gimmick to use. Make your rom unique to you. An example could be gesture shortcuts.. Like swipe for brightness was back in the day to cm roms.
Otherwise i wish you luck and hope you bring some m9 goodies to the table. My m9 isn't rooted yet but maybe it will by the time you have a good rom out?..
I wish I stole my HTC M9.
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It will be perfect to be integrated xtended settings to Phoenix Rom,I've used it in M7 before,but XS is not compatible with M9 at present.I wish you success.
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that's totally wrong! xtended works for m9 like for m7/8.. there are no problems!
Yea xtended settings is working perfect at the moment. I did have a problem, where I have to use an older version of xposed. It works, and it can be updated through xtended settings, but I would love to incorporate the latest xposed into PhoenixROM.
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Yea xtended settings is working perfect at the moment. I did have a problem, where I have to use an older version of xposed. It works, and it can be updated through xtended settings, but I would love to incorporate the latest xposed into PhoenixROM.
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goodluck with the exams! I can test and will try the next release
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goodluck with the exams! I can test and will try the next release
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Thanks for keeping up with me. So far so good on finals.
I want to ask the whole community a question. What mods do you like to see in your ROM? I'm getting board of doing the same thing over and over, but I lack imagination so I need help with ideas.
Will start with ARHD 20 on Friday!!!!
@-MightyMouse- in fact I just need a few little things as I like a near stock experience. But as it is of special importance to me I need
> working Multiuser Support
Nice to have are things like
> little tweaking possibilities as e.g. clock in the middle of the menu bar, network speedmeter in menu bar left of battery percentage and
> adding more than fourth buttons to navigation bar
some of the last two bullitpoint are e.g. included in the "System UI Tuner" of the Marshmallow Update.
Thus would love a Sense ROM combining Multiuser & System UI Tuner.
Btw if it's ready to be used as a daily driver I would happily test it
Send by the swarm intelligence of my coffee machine (AKA HTC One M9).
Thanks, your the first to give me hard facts about user needs. I think I will have everything covered for you. xposed can do most of those things for you.
yes pls include xposed framework. that'll do. the rest is up to you
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Hey Guys.
I have been using Marshmallow for 3 days now and my experience has been great. I will start putting something together next week as I have a non android project else were that need my attention. I need some help though. To add xposed I need help figuring out how to run the correct script as there was another script file added along with the update-binary.
MM
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Hey Guys.
I have been using Marshmallow for 3 days now and my experience has been great. I will start putting something together next week as I have a non android project else were that need my attention. I need some help though. To add xposed I need help figuring out how to run the correct script as there was another script file added along with the update-binary.
MM
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If you add things into your ROM like app sidebar or circle bar or expanded desktop...all things where you can select individual apps, if you could add in a way to back up those settings between clean flashes you'd be the coolest guy on the block. I've never seen a ROM with that option for whatever reason. Maybe for the newbs keep the option greyed out until your apps are restored. Just an idea
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If you add things into your ROM like app sidebar or circle bar or expanded desktop...all things where you can select individual apps, if you could add in a way to back up those settings between clean flashes you'd be the coolest guy on the block. I've never seen a ROM with that option for whatever reason. Maybe for the newbs keep the option greyed out until your apps are restored. Just an idea
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Interesting idea. However there is a possibility that it can't be done, but at the same time, nothings impossible. I will defiantly look into it.
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Interesting idea. However there is a possibility that it can't be done, but at the same time, nothings impossible. I will defiantly look into it.
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That would be cool. I'm personally a serial clean flasher and I've just never seen that option before. Looking forward to trying the ROM.
Hey Guys
So I had my drive corrupt on me and I lost what I was working on. I'm working on finishing my server so my files can be backed up there. It will be a wile before I come out with anything due to this. Sorry.
Finally
I got my server functioning correctly and am now working on my ROM from my 5 tb raid 6 setup and I also got the ability to fully test marshmallow. expect a testing file soon .
Hey guys
Did you think I forgot about you? Well I'm back to work on this in a few weeks as school is finishing up. I found a partner and I'm currently training him, with the added weight of school, I have no time to work on it, but having someone else will definitely help in the future. I have had another thing come up that is a slight hiccup, I'm no longer using t-mobile. I will still support it but I need a tester to make sure Wi-Fi calling and voice over LTE work. Thank you everyone for your support and patients
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Hey everyone
To everyone expecting a ROM 6 months ago, I owe you an apology. School and family tied my hands and had no choice but to drop this project for a while. To those of you that have been patient, I really don't know how to thank you. But to all of you, I have a gift.
Check here
This is good news. Cant wait for a stable version to try