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Received my Galaxy S4 early today and i must say I'm extremely frustrated. I'm so used to the incredibly efficient CM10 on my old S3 that i'm finding this phone nearly impossible to tolerate. I'd like to play with it but every time i pick it up all the cluttering and bloatware drives me insane.
Is there anyway to at least remove the ATT and Samsung stuff before we have roots and roms?
Thrashavich said:
Received my Galaxy S4 early today and i must say I'm extremely frustrated. I'm so used to the incredibly efficient CM10 on my old S3 that i'm finding this phone nearly impossible to tolerate. I'd like to play with it but every time i pick it up all the cluttering and bloatware drives me insane.
Is there anyway to at least remove the ATT and Samsung stuff before we have roots and roms?
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can't you just disable them in the settings>apps menu area? I don't have an S4 but i remember with the S3 u can do that
For now, i think you should root it to get rid of the bloatware, and try a custom launcher such as the nova launcher
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For now, i think you should root it to get rid of the bloatware, and try a custom launcher such as the nova launcher
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I don't think there is a working root yet. I could be wrong.
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I don't think there is a working root yet. I could be wrong.
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Im sure there is one, look in the development subthread. but no bootloader unlocking yet.
Thrashavich said:
Received my Galaxy S4 early today and i must say I'm extremely frustrated. I'm so used to the incredibly efficient CM10 on my old S3 that i'm finding this phone nearly impossible to tolerate. I'd like to play with it but every time i pick it up all the cluttering and bloatware drives me insane.
Is there anyway to at least remove the ATT and Samsung stuff before we have roots and roms?
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Gotta agree, the amount of bloatware on this phone is absolutely astounding.
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And this is why I hate AT&T. Went with the US unlocked version of the HTC One. No AT&T crap = win. Too bad Samsung isn't offering unlocked / developer versions here in the States like HTC is.
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And this is why I hate AT&T. Went with the US unlocked version of the HTC One. No AT&T crap = win. Too bad Samsung isn't offering unlocked / developer versions here in the States like HTC is.
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With your One you could also just flash a custom ROM. Hopefully that will be an option for GS4 users soon too.
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With your One you could also just flash a custom ROM. Hopefully that will be an option for GS4 users soon too.
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Didn't even have to because I got the unlocked version though :laugh:. People with the AT&T version are unlocking and flashing to the firmware that came on mine. And they payed more for theirs if they didn't have an upgrade available :silly:. Haha
and is anyone experiencing any lag? I seem to get more than normal. I've had it two weeks and now considering to get an HTC One....
Yep..plenty of lag here. I don't think Samsung took the time to optimise the software on this phone. Hopefully further updates resolve this issue because there is no reason why a phone with as great as a processor as we have should lag this much. Not that it is extremely slow, its not unbearable but the One is noticeably faster. I have owned both. The S4 excells in all other areas beside speed and build quality.
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Yep..plenty of lag here. I don't think Samsung took the time to optimise the software on this phone. Hopefully further updates resolve this issue because there is no reason why a phone with as great as a processor as we have should lag this much. Not that it is extremely slow, its not unbearable but the One is noticeably faster. I have owned both. The S4 excells in all other areas beside speed and build quality.
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Yeah, I agree. I hope there is an update soon. Rooting it does make a difference in speed though. But I don't really want to keep it rooted unless I have to.
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Yep..plenty of lag here. I don't think Samsung took the time to optimise the software on this phone. Hopefully further updates resolve this issue because there is no reason why a phone with as great as a processor as we have should lag this much. Not that it is extremely slow, its not unbearable but the One is noticeably faster. I have owned both. The S4 excells in all other areas beside speed and build quality.
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That's very very weird. I have used both plenty. And the S4 is plenty faster then the One. I went onto AOSP right away tho on my S4 so that might be it. All the people complaining about lag were on the original shipped out software on the phone. From what I have read though, the latest update to TW fixed all the lag. And it's not that they didn't optimize the software, it was only the first week of the phone being out give them a break.
And anyways, on Stock my phone runs u believably fast with literally not a sliver of lag :/ I've owned every Galaxy and my best friend has owned quite a few of the latest HTC devices, IMHO only thing The One arguably has on the S4 is build quality, and that's completely in the eye of the beholder. I think the One is a big clunk of metal and I actually love the build of the S4, didn't like the S3 but they squared it out with the S4.
Ooops sorry about the rant. And not trying to start a competition or flame war about the devices, both are top end and great phones, every one loves what they love, and what I love has nothing to do with what you want.. As long as your happy with your device who cares.
But really just throw on the latest update or try AOSP, running Slimbean right now absolutely flawlessly.
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I have both as well and the S4 is faster in my testing to. I have no lag either. I took the One back and gor another S4 and gave to my wife.
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That's very very weird. I have used both plenty. And the S4 is plenty faster then the One. I went onto AOSP right away tho on my S4 so that might be it. All the people complaining about lag were on the original shipped out software on the phone. From what I have read though, the latest update to TW fixed all the lag. And it's not that they didn't optimize the software, it was only the first week of the phone being out give them a break.
And anyways, on Stock my phone runs u believably fast with literally not a sliver of lag :/ I've owned every Galaxy and my best friend has owned quite a few of the latest HTC devices, IMHO only thing The One arguably has on the S4 is build quality, and that's completely in the eye of the beholder. I think the One is a big clunk of metal and I actually love the build of the S4, didn't like the S3 but they squared it out with the S4.
Ooops sorry about the rant. And not trying to start a competition or flame war about the devices, both are top end and great phones, every one loves what they love, and what I love has nothing to do with what you want.. As long as your happy with your device who cares.
But really just throw on the latest update or try AOSP, running Slimbean right now absolutely flawlessly.
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Keep in mind that after I rooted it, there was no lag but I returned it to stock. Thereby the lag returned. You say that there was an update. How would I know if I received the update? It's likely that I received it already and still experiencing the lag. It's also likely the other poster may have received the update as well.
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Keep in mind that after I rooted it, there was no lag but I returned it to stock. Thereby the lag returned. You say that there was an update. How would I know if I received the update? It's likely that I received it already and still experiencing the lag. It's also likely the other poster may have received the update as well.
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Simply getting root access shouldn't change levels of lag or the lack of it. Is that all you did, root it?
Check your firmware version in about phone, the latest is MDL, its still rolling out so if your still having lag that's most likely why.
If you don't know that you received it. You didn't. A notification pops up saying a system update is available and you have to click and click accept the update. It doesn't just update itself.
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Mine was extremely laggy, I was contemplating taking it back and getting my One back that I turned in for the s4 because of it then I came on here and found about the update that is apparently semi hidden because you have to clear Google frameworks app data to get it but after the update my phone Flys almost as fast as the One...... It is noticeably faster than before the update
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Well, I recall getting an update earlier on. But not sure if this was the one.... which is why I was hoping that there was a way to find out for sure if the device has received an update.
I think it's laughable to see that someone thinks rooting would not change the amount of lag a device experiences. I've rooted since my first android phone (htc droid eris) and I can assure you that rooting with the right ROM does in fact improve some features of the phone, including speed/lagging.
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Mine was extremely laggy, I was contemplating taking it back and getting my One back that I turned in for the s4 because of it then I came on here and found about the update that is apparently semi hidden because you have to clear Google frameworks app data to get it but after the update my phone Flys almost as fast as the One...... It is noticeably faster than before the update
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Does anyone know if the update breaks root and or the boatloader?
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heyjoojoo said:
Well, I recall getting an update earlier on. But not sure if this was the one.... which is why I was hoping that there was a way to find out for sure if the device has received an update.
I think it's laughable to see that someone thinks rooting would not change the amount of lag a device experiences. I've rooted since my first android phone (htc droid eris) and I can assure you that rooting with the right ROM does in fact improve some features of the phone, including speed/lagging.
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The person was strictly talking about rooting not installing a ROM. Which is true all rooting does is open up your device for total control of the phone, from there you can do many things to help with the lag, but just rooting wouldn't affect lag. Not everyone installs a ROM after rooting.
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If you have lag than you dont have the update.....and yes the update will give you trouble with root. But there are workarounds...... I personally unrooted to get the update. Going to run this for a bit until my next move....
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Well, I recall getting an update earlier on. But not sure if this was the one.... which is why I was hoping that there was a way to find out for sure if the device has received an update.
I think it's laughable to see that someone thinks rooting would not change the amount of lag a device experiences. I've rooted since my first android phone (htc droid eris) and I can assure you that rooting with the right ROM does in fact improve some features of the phone, including speed/lagging.
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You misunderstood me. I didn't say anything about tweaks, flashing roms, kernels, or anything. I said root, referring to simply giving yourself superuser access.
That has nothing anything performance wise. It's just granting yourself root access. So when you said your performance and lag changed when you rooted, I was under the impression you only rooted. You didn't say you flashed a different rom and it was faster, just that you rooted.
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You misunderstood me. I didn't say anything about tweaks, flashing roms, kernels, or anything. I said root, referring to simply giving yourself superuser access.
That has nothing anything performance wise. It's just granting yourself root access. So when you said your performance and lag changed when you rooted, I was under the impression you only rooted. You didn't say you flashed a different rom and it was faster, just that you rooted.
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Oh my bad... I got caught up in a semantic complication. I think a lot us tend to use the term "rooting" interchangeably with installing a ROM as well. But yes, the ROM I chose did seem to remove much of the lag and made things snappier.
But I don't think anyone has answered the question...how can one tell if they have the update installed on their device?
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Oh my bad... I got caught up in a semantic complication. I think a lot us tend to use the term "rooting" interchangeably with installing a ROM as well. But yes, the ROM I chose did seem to remove much of the lag and made things snappier.
But I don't think anyone has answered the question...how can one tell if they have the update installed on their device?
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Look at your build number the newest version ends in mdl. No offense but how do you know how to root and ROM but don't know how to look at what build number you are on.
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heyjoojoo said:
Oh my bad... I got caught up in a semantic complication. I think a lot us tend to use the term "rooting" interchangeably with installing a ROM as well. But yes, the ROM I chose did seem to remove much of the lag and made things snappier.
But I don't think anyone has answered the question...how can one tell if they have the update installed on their device?
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I said check version in "About Phone"! If your on MDC, its probably why, MDL seemed to fix all the issues with any lag anyone was having!
Either way, you still have access to the AOSP roms which are running great right now, and Team Venum is going to be coming out with some great TW roms this weekendish so look out for those!
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GiantJay said:
Look at your build number the newest version ends in mdl. No offense but how do you know how to root and ROM but don't know how to look at what build number you are on.
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How would one determine that MDL is the "latest" build? There is no date associated with those letters.
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How would one determine that MDL is the "latest" build? There is no date associated with those letters.
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Your right. But that is a code for the date. M=2013 d=4th month April L= day of month 12th
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Your right. But that is a code for the date. M=2013 d=4th month April L= day of month 12th
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Huh?
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Huh?
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He's answering your question. Mdl is tje latest. Sammy used tje letter as build dates. M=2013 d=April and l=day of month.
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I'm one of the guys impatiently waiting on Samsung to stop being Apple, and patiently waiting on our devs to crack the MF3 build number.
My question is, whether to upgrade to MJ6 or stay on MF3. I don't know if MJ6 holds any hope of unlocking the bootloader any sooner than MF3 does.
Anyone have a clue?
I'm guessing mj6 will be locked tighter than mf3. At least you have safestrap on mf3. I'd wait and see what happens, mj6 isn't going to be that much better than mf3 anyway.
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I'm guessing mj6 will be locked tighter than mf3. At least you have safestrap on mf3. I'd wait and see what happens, mj6 isn't going to be that much better than mf3 anyway.
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I have zero intentions of getting Samsung Smartgear, mostly cause I don't see too much use in spending 250 bucks on an item I won't be able to use effectively anyway. So MJ6 is pretty much useless to me.
MJ6 is either going to be locked down tighter, or Samsung has actually listened to their customers and unlocked the bootloaders. I know there are a LOT of disappointed customers who bought the S4 cause it was supposed to be an open ended, high end flagship device,and ended up being locked down as bad as iPhones.
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I'm one of the guys impatiently waiting on Samsung to stop being Apple, and patiently waiting on our devs to crack the MF3 build number.
My question is, whether to upgrade to MJ6 or stay on MF3. I don't know if MJ6 holds any hope of unlocking the bootloader any sooner than MF3 does.
Anyone have a clue?
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4.3 is going to bring KNOX to our devices. Which could probably further hinder the unlock process. Note 3 has KNOX and i dont follow their forums to much so i dont know if they have had any success yet. I am on MF3 as well, and yet to root. If i was to root, I would be for the MJ6 modem. And use Safestrap with 4.3 roms. But I will probably upgrade because I dont use to many ROOT benefits to do it. I just want the 4.3 upgrade. So i will be sticking with official upgrades, but knowing att, I think 4.3 will be the last update this device will see.
I would probably move onto the S5 Google Edition, or Nexus 5
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4.3 is going to bring KNOX to our devices. Which could probably further hinder the unlock process. Note 3 has KNOX and i dont follow their forums to much so i dont know if they have had any success yet. I am on MF3 as well, and yet to root. If i was to root, I would be for the MJ6 modem. And use Safestrap with 4.3 roms. But I will probably upgrade because I dont use to many ROOT benefits to do it. I just want the 4.3 upgrade. So i will be sticking with official upgrades, but knowing att, I think 4.3 will be the last update this device will see.
I would probably move onto the S5 Google Edition, or Nexus 5
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I would lvoe to move on to the Nexus 5, as the S5 probably won't be much better. The Nexus 5 has almost identical specs to the S4,my only problem is that I've spent 80 bucks on a lifeproof case for this S4. And I enjoy the lifeproof brand. They don't make anything for Nexus devices though, sadly.
If this whole boot loader lock is a sign of things to come than I may start looking elsewhere. Having a "jailed" phone is the reason I left apple in the first place. Idk, maybe I'll pick up the nexus 5...wondering if buying one will be as bad as the 4 was.
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If this whole boot loader lock is a sign of things to come than I may start looking elsewhere. Having a "jailed" phone is the reason I left apple in the first place. Idk, maybe I'll pick up the nexus 5...wondering if buying one will be as bad as the 4 was.
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Yea. Even wihtout expandable storage, the HTC One and the Nexus 5 are looking better and better every day that IN don't have CyanogenMod on my S4
I went from 4.2 stock rooted to a debloated clean 4.3 rom... can't say it's a big change up. I works advise that you wait until KitKat is rooted
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I works advise that you wait until KitKat is rooted
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when we AT&T users get kitkat in winter of 2014
ryno9100 said:
I'm one of the guys impatiently waiting on Samsung to stop being Apple, and patiently waiting on our devs to crack the MF3 build number.
My question is, whether to upgrade to MJ6 or stay on MF3. I don't know if MJ6 holds any hope of unlocking the bootloader any sooner than MF3 does.
Anyone have a clue?
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Samsung isn't trying to be Apple. AT&T is the one who try to lock down bootloader not Samsung. Thats why I hate ATT
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ryno9100 said:
I would lvoe to move on to the Nexus 5, as the S5 probably won't be much better. The Nexus 5 has almost identical specs to the S4,my only problem is that I've spent 80 bucks on a lifeproof case for this S4. And I enjoy the lifeproof brand. They don't make anything for Nexus devices though, sadly.
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One thing to concern is that the battery capacity of the nexus 5 is only 2300mAh and no external memory card. Thats why I don't like nexus phone
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One thing to concern is that the battery capacity of the nexus 5 is only 2300mAh and no external memory card. Thats why I don't like nexus phone
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2300 mAh isn't bad. The S4 has 2600 and uses a MUUUCCCHH more battery draining operating system. My S3, running cyanogenmod would run all day on moderate use and I'd go to bed with 50% battery life left. And the S3 had the same 2300 mAh battery.
The removable storage for me is the big deal. And it's a tradeoff of between dealing with touchcrap UI and all it's bloatware and battery killing software, or trading a bit of storage for a MUCH better operating system and more open ended device. I just with they had released the enxus 5 in a 64gb model. If i could get a 64 GB HTC One for my Galaxy S4 I'd be happy.
Upgrade to 4.4, because mf3 is the worst baseband for rooting devices.
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when we AT&T users get kitkat in winter of 2014
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Winter 2014???! I certainly hope not. I plan on pushing the first daily driver KitKat rom before then
The locked bootloader hasn't been a deal breaker for me. Being able to root and use xposed framework lets me setup my phone the way I want and like it. I was wanting recovery options, but now that we have the Odin files to restore MF3 on our phone I'm not concerned with that anymore. Debloating and apps like Titanium, Tasker, Zooper, "Minimalistic Text" have all the options I need and want on my phone. I would like to develop another Rom, but it's ok as work keeps me rather busy anyways.
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The locked bootloader hasn't been a deal breaker for me. Being able to root and use xposed framework lets me setup my phone the way I want and like it. I was wanting recovery options, but now that we have the Odin files to restore MF3 on our phone I'm not concerned with that anymore. Debloating and apps like Titanium, Tasker, Zooper, "Minimalistic Text" have all the options I need and want on my phone. I would like to develop another Rom, but it's ok as work keeps me rather busy anyways.
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Where did you find the Odin MF3 files?
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Where did you find the Odin MF3 files?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502003
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Thanks!
Then would att do anything? Or it will stay as now?
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Not being able to remove the battery, or put a micro sd, that's a no sale for me,..I would have kept the HTC one of I didn't care about those things
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Not being able to remove the battery, or put a micro sd, that's a no sale for me,..I would have kept the HTC one of I didn't care about those things
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that's porbably the biggest difference between me and you.removable batteries don't bother me much. SD card space, meh. I have a laptop, I have an iPod. All I REALLY need storage for is my favorite songs, a couple videos, and apps.
What matters to me is the ability to customize. I'm thinking about the Nexus 5 right now. Just posted a thread in the Nexus 5 forums tog et opinions between it and the S4.
Hey guys,
I'm picking up my Note 3 on Tuesday. Gonna stay on the stock firmware out of the box, no OTAs will be allowed. Gonna root with Kingo. I dont wanna mess with recoveries or anything other than disabling software update to prevent kitkat from being pushed. I realize it could be an advantage however as I could then in the future use the 4.4.2 update as a type of recovery image, if I need to send it in for service or sell it. I know about sammobile and all other "offical" stock tars floating around but they arent really from Samsung. They dont even release recovery images for the dev edition! Kingo wont trip knox and I wont be modifying any system apps (I may even opt with using a permission denying app to block SDM from having network access, instead of freezing it, as it's less aggressive). I will make an ADB backup pre-root and restore it before updating as well.
If the time comes I could use Kingo or Superuser to unroot, wanam to fake the status as offical, adb restore and have the samsung experience store guys flash kitkat or use the OTA which, assuredly, would remove any and all traces of root. Sounds divine.
So will the update process, whether from the Samsung guys or OTA brick my phone if I do it? I should have everything removed by doing it this way. I don't like the idea of messing with all these different recovery tars as they arent 100% official. Just wanna make sure the Sammy update wont brick it, because it knows, somehow.
I'm in the same boat though worse off than you since I don't know how to do an adb backup. Sounds to me like Kitkat sucks and I just want to stay stock mje and block updates.
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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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Yeah I agree with everything here. Kitkat totally sucks and I'm gonna stay on 4.3 for the duration of my phones life. But my question is, are we able, after rooting, to update officially to kitkat, be it an OTA or going to a samsung store and having them flash (without bricking it). I'm asking because I think it'd be a flawless way of reverting "back" (forward actually, from 4.3) to a genuine Samsung system after root. This would solve warranty worries or selling the device as rooted problems. The update would serve as a recovery image or the ultimate unrooting tool.
Just curious if it will brick the phone if done. If I need warranty service or to sell it, I dont want to go the sammobile odin route or any of the other "official" tars, because they're not 100% genuine. If we don't modify the stock rom and can use something like wanam to fake the sytem status and Knox isnt tripped, why would it not take the update perfectly? All this caution, an ADB pre-root restore and I'm pretty sure/hoping it would work wonderfully to get to a genuine samsung status, post root, for selling or service needs. Just need some clarification if it would actually work or bork the phone with an "unauthorize software detected" screen.
If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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If kingo unroot works just unroot then accept the update no?
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It'd be nice but from what I understand the update does some kind of checking to see how/what you modified. Kingo doesnt trip knox but any root with change the system status as "modified" instead of "official", which could interfere with updates. There is a well kown "unauthorized software detected" sign that comes up sometimes after update attempts. Not sure what triggers it though. Unrooting via Kingo doesnt nessisarily remove 100% of the root. This is what we'd use the KitKat update for, unless, it bricks it somehow because it's able to detect that you once rooted. But if you were cautious, didnt mod much, didnt mess with system files, did an adb restore and faked the system status with wanam, it's plausible to think you could accept an update afterwords without issues. But also, Im not sure if wanam will be able to fake the status after you unroot...
I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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I don't want to take the update. I will disable the updater files once rooted. otherwise, i remain stock. when the time comes reenable updater files and immediately run kingo unroot. presto, all mods gone. now accept update. that wont work?
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This is what I'm trying to ascertain. I've read things that the unroot via kingo doesnt actually remove the binaries, it only unsinstalls superuser. There still might be some traces of it on there, and the update will see this and youll get this message after boot, post update: (a verizon induced soft brick for having a modified system before update)
http://www.s3forums.com/forum/attac...d-help-bad-uploadfromtaptalk1349867775446.jpg
Kingo even told me via their facebook when I asked about it, "There is a big chance that you cannot update your device via OTA. Rooting means you tampered your device. Even your KNOX stays un-triggered, you device status will turn from "official" to "custom". If you wanna back to the "official", you should use kies/Odin to flash back the stock ROM," which is not what I want, seeing as how the firmware from sammobile and others like it arent 100% genuine from Sammy. When you unroot, it will still say modified system, even if knox isnt tripped. The updates check this. You can use wanam to "fake system status" but if you unroot first, you lose wanam functionality and if you update when you're still rooted theres no way itll take.
Just trying to hash it out as it'd be the perfect way to restore to official stock, if need be. Not having the ability makes it pretty scary to do on a phone I paid $750 for. So we're between a rock and a kitkat. I really dont want that ****ty update either. But not having a sure fire way back, it sucks.
Does anybody know about using a samsung store to update from 4.3 to 4.4.2 after unrooting? I'm assuming they use Odin to flash and actually have the official firmwares. I'd feel better about going about it that way because so far I see a lot of warnings about OTA's (even after "unrooting"). Curious if that way would work without soft bricking your phone with the verizon warning.
Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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Thanks for the 411. I also paid full price for my note 3 but I never intend to sell it. It will be a great wifi tablet. I'm always disappointed with value of smartphones after a year of use.
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No problem. I don't worry so much about selling it, I can sell it on Swappa as they dont care about root. But for warranty purposes, it sucks. If something happens and we have to send it back and they find that it's been rooted or modified, they will not service it. It'd just be nice to have this card to play in order to get it back to a "trustworthy" genuine firmware. I'll insure mine though so yeah, spare wifi tablet I suppose. Just sucks the replacement will more than likely be refurbished.
Yeah, it's a great phone though. Are you gonna take any updates for it before rooting (not ****kat, obviously), or gonna root it out of the box (MJ9 software, I believe)? Just curious. I just don't trust Samsung's updates any more.
I never planned to root. I'm in mje latest update. I don't trust Kingo nor Vroot. That is why I never rooted. Kitkat sounds so horrible I feel compelled to root but I still don't trust available exploits. Like you said, a rock and a hard place... Just like a new NBA coach trying to make his bones yet score a good draft pick. LOL
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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?
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Getting a note 3 tomorrow.
Why does everybody hate the kitkat update so much?
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Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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Ruins easy access to SD card for one thing. S pen problems, some apps don't work etc.
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hahahahah!!! Stevens will be a great coach in a few years. Doc is a very very bad man. Hopefully we land Wiggins (or Parker). I'm on the fence about rooting too but from what I can tell Kingo is legit and worked for many people. the questiom is why dont they monitize it? thats scary to me.
So do you just deal with the software update popup by continually pressing home or back? if you defer it, after 4 times it installs on its own. same thing with rejecting it. I cant believe they don't give us control over our phones updstes (without rooting)! Hopefuly Verizon wont get it for a while.
There's a confirmed battery bug for kitkat ( on the nexus 5 atleast), the sd issue, a litany of instability, potentially, and the biggest deal with it: it breaks free wifi tethering and supposedly there will never be a way for developers to get arpund it. Yeah: I realllllyyy don't want that "update". If it aint broke...you know.
I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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I don't know what I'll do yet. Sd card handling is an integral part of Kitkat and vzw won't improve it. Once the first announcement of imminent update occurs I will have to decide what to do.
I'm rooting for Celtics losses and I wish Ainje traded Rondo. I think we need a new team. I don't think Rondo will be a great influence on a young team.
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HAhahahaha, I'm wiith you on all pages man. I would've stayed with my II but 4.3 is horrible on it and I'm really interested in the new Gear 2 watch which requires 4.3. Ironically 4.1.2 works like a BEAST on it but it wont support the gear 2. Samsung is fully turning into apple. If you do decide to root or find another way around the software updates, please let me know. I'll do the same for you. Kingo is one of the only ones that doesnt trip Knox but it's all but worthless if we cant get the system status back to "official" or get the kitkat update to install. Such a headache. Be careful with that software update popup, it's super consistent. Such a crazy way to have to use a flagship device. Most every time you press home, it pops back up. I found out that you can disable google services framework and that will prevent the update, but you also loose gmail, google play, you tube, maps and any other google app. Unbelievable.
There needs to be more NBA talk on XDA, lol. Danny has long since worn out his welcome. Still cant believe how he treated Pierce. I agree with the Rondo sentiment, wholeheartedly. His stock is falling as his athleticism fades as well. We need to blow up the team basically. I hope we resign AB, but I wont be shocked if he walks. We'll never get rid of Wallace's contract. Sully can be really good if he keeps healthy and developing. I used to love Green but now...I think we should deal him NOW. He clearly cant handle having the reigns and he takes way too many threes. Ironically enough Gerald Green is killing it for Phoenix right now?! Hoping for those ping pong balls too man. Hopefully we dont get screwed in the draft.
I'll keep you posted if I find anything.
Cheers--
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There is nothing in the kitkat update that's essential. I know because I have it on my Nexus 10 and I wish I didn't. Rooted with SDM and bloat frozen. Will not update until they give me a really good reason to.
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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tablet and phone are 2 different things. Also each phone and tablet are not getting the exact kit kat. little things different but not the same action
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So you're not hesitant to update to kitkat on your note? If not, can I ask what features of enhancements in it make you wish to update to it? it is confirmed that sd write access for 3rd party apps and free wifi tethering apps have disabled, for some thats a big deal. If it's anything like other updates it has the potential to cripple the phones battery life and performance. 4.3 ruined my note 2 and the replacement 2 as well, losing around 2 hours of battery life on each. I'm hesitant to trust them again. With every update it seems things get worse, not better. and I cant see any huge features that would make me wanna jump from 4.3.
Why is everyone so worried about root on lilipop as we havent gotten root on 4.4.4 yet lolipop looks terribe for one stay on kit kat and don't worry so much i dont see anything different in lilipop except astetic changes and new security
There is no android device yet(to my knowledge) that hasn't been rooted. I think they all will get rooted sooner or later. If there's no root it not android... My opinion
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The VZW Moto X 2014 has no known root method for 4.4.4
you need to read the post by chainfire then
I am worried about root on both KK and Lollipop. I came from a Hero, Evo, Evo 3D, S3, M8 and now I want the N4. I have rooted and applied custom roms on all of the phones so far to help maximize the phone. I know the N4 is a beast of a phone and shouldn't need much to maximize, but I would still like to have at least root access for my apps and maybe safestrap for flashing custom roms.
My thoughts are now is whether or not to get the N6 or the N4. N6 will be fully customizable, but I believe the N4 will be the better phone even without a unlocked bootloader. Not having an removable battery or SD card slot is a possible no go for me seeing the Lollipop with eat more room into the internal storage.
I am going to my local VZW store today to check it out with the wife.
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I am worried about root on both KK and Lollipop. I came from a Hero, Evo, Evo 3D, S3, M8 and now I want the N4. I have rooted and applied custom roms on all of the phones so far to help maximize the phone. I know the N4 is a beast of a phone and shouldn't need much to maximize, but I would still like to have at least root access for my apps and maybe safestrap for flashing custom roms.
My thoughts are now is whether or not to get the N6 or the N4. N6 will be fully customizable, but I believe the N4 will be the better phone even without a unlocked bootloader. Not having an removable battery or SD card slot is a possible no go for me seeing the Lollipop with eat more room into the internal storage.
I am going to my local VZW store today to check it out with the wife.
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have you seen my thread about developer edition note 4? best of both worlds
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have you seen my thread about developer edition note 4? best of both worlds
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yeah I saw it, I can't justify that cash right now for a D-N4. I am upgrading on the Edge plan and VZW is footing $25 a month for my phone and I will be just paying $5 a month or a total of $120 in 24 months for the N4. I have a 10gb plan and that's why they are footing the $25 a month.
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yeah I saw it, I can't justify that cash right now for a D-N4. I am upgrading on the Edge plan and VZW is footing $25 a month for my phone and I will be just paying $5 a month or a total of $120 in 24 months for the N4. I have a 10gb plan and that's why they are footing the $25 a month.
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ahhh i understand. i buy everything off contract which has its positives and negatives lol
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Why is everyone so worried about root on lilipop as we havent gotten root on 4.4.4 yet lolipop looks terribe for one stay on kit kat and don't worry so much i dont see anything different in lilipop except astetic changes and new security
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WAAHHHH!!! except astetic changes. are you serious? what about ART? You know the whole new platform android will be running on. All I can say is CMON MAN!
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The VZW Moto X 2014 has no known root method for 4.4.4
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The phone is still fresh and the development foresight started vanishing after the announcement of the Nexus 6 and Droid Turbo. I bought one out of impulse and once I seen the XDA forum as a ghost town I returned it. Not getting sucked into another deadbeat investment.
Motorola encrypts their bootloaders though, but I don't think that means it can't be rooted.
Samsung has a huge following. The Note 4 has a huge following. There will be a root at some point.
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Samsung has a huge following. The Note 4 has a huge following. There will be a root at some point.
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It's been half a year, and it's looking as unlikely as ever that there will be a root for the Verizon Note 4.
I am not so sure. There are still plenty of Devs working it out. Even though nothing has been found yet, they have taken out alot of possibilities. Plus this morning saw a post that I believe was specific for the RE N4 and a possible way for r/w access on /system directory. Waiting to hear word whether it works or not, but if it does, that is all I need. Me personally, I do not care much for custom ROM's, just need control on the device and when it tells me I am not allowed, it irks me.
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It's been half a year, and it's looking as unlikely as ever that there will be a root for the Verizon Note 4.
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Well even if someone was making progress, I wouldn't expect to hear anything from them due to the bounty. It's a lot of money, and announcing it could give someone else an advantage - they could potentially search for forum posts or questions you may have asked to try and extrapolate your methods, look at your past techniques and area of expertise, or just plain try and hack you.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a *little*disappointed that we still don't have it, but Lollipop had been great so far (battery issues aside), so it isn't nearly as important to me as it once was. Since Lollipop now let's apps write to the external SD, the only things I really want are Titanium Backup and the ability to remove status bar icons (like that Verizon '4g LTE' icon that NEVER goes away, even with mobile data turn off...)
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Well even if someone was making progress, I wouldn't expect to hear anything from them due to the bounty. It's a lot of money, and announcing it could give someone else an advantage - they could potentially search for forum posts or questions you may have asked to try and extrapolate your methods, look at your past techniques and area of expertise, or just plain try and hack you.
I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a *little*disappointed that we still don't have it, but Lollipop had been great so far (battery issues aside), so it isn't nearly as important to me as it once was. Since Lollipop now let's apps write to the external SD, the only things I really want are Titanium Backup and the ability to remove status bar icons (like that Verizon '4g LTE' icon that NEVER goes away, even with mobile data turn off...)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...s-only/rd-rooting-n910a-n910v-models-t3042045
There's the thread I came across earlier. With that said, there are no specifics being posted outside of PM but there are plenty of updates as far as opportune routes they are going in.
Sucks. My bro hates lollipop as much as I did.I was hoping to help him roll back. Told him to ditch Verizon with me, but he didn't listen. Now he's stuck in a weak data plan with a locked down phone. Oh well.
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Sucks. My bro hates lollipop as much as I did.I was hoping to help him roll back. Told him to ditch Verizon with me, but he didn't listen. Now he's stuck in a weak data plan with a locked down phone. Oh well.
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Not many people care if phone is locked"bootloader" honestly non-geeks
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Not many people care if phone is locked"bootloader" honestly non-geeks
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I see it everywhere. People buy expensive smart phones just to text, make phone calls, take pictures, use social media, play games and a little casual web browsing. Then they still have the stock launcher with all the same icons and widgets that the phone came with and they go into the app drawer to search for any app they want to use. They have no clue about customization, settings or the file system. I think they just want other people to see that they have the best stuff.
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I see it everywhere. People buy expensive smart phones just to text, make phone calls, take pictures, use social media, play games and a little casual web browsing. Then they still have the stock launcher with all the same icons and widgets that the phone came with and they go into the app drawer to search for any app they want to use. They have no clue about customization, settings or the file system. I think they just want other people to see that they have the best stuff.
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yea since its not one of the best phones out even without root..
regardless, root adds to the value to some but not everyone.. many have never rooted a device and us that do is a VERY small piece of the customer base like 1% or less small.
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yea since its not one of the best phones out even without root..
regardless, root adds to the value to some but not everyone.. many have never rooted a device and us that do is a VERY small piece of the customer base like 1% or less small.
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I wonder what percentage of users are crazy enough to pay full price for a developer edition phone just so we can hopefully get some cool new rom. Then we still have to wait for root to come to the retail phones before development can take off. Oh well, at least I'm not having the issues the OTA caused everyone.
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