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Why can't the Xoom be compatible with regular SD memory card instead of micro-SD?

I think it is ridiculous to have the Xoom only be compatible with only Micro-SD card instead of regular SD card. It is not like the tab is so small that the regular SD card would not fit. It is NOT a phone.
Regular SD card has the benefit of:
1. Much much cheaper for a bigger space.
2. Did I say it is cheaper for a bigger space...?
3. Faster speed
I am not sure if it will use more energy and decrease battery life. But even still, how much more energy can it actually drain compared to the micro-SD card.
Sometimes I have no idea what the designers/engineers are thinking when they develop technology. There is always a missing screw somewhere.
Wow...I am finish ranting...
What a relief.....

Erm, internal space?

Earthbrain said:
I think it is ridiculous to have the Xoom only be compatible with only Micro-SD card instead of regular SD card. It is not like the tab is so small that the regular SD card would not fit. It is NOT a phone.
Regular SD card has the benefit of:
1. Much much cheaper for a bigger space.
2. Did I say it is cheaper for a bigger space...?
3. Faster speed
I am not sure if it will use more energy and decrease battery life. But even still, how much more energy can it actually drain compared to the micro-SD card.
Sometimes I have no idea what the designers/engineers are thinking when they develop technology. There is always a missing screw somewhere.
Wow...I am finish ranting...
What a relief.....
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What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.

EnderTheThird said:
What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
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Maybe you can find some space behind the back cover to put one of these in? Might be worth a shot..
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/sd-to-microsd-transflash-card-converter-module-27001

While I agree that MicroSD is more compatible with other devices, I would imagine a normal SD card would give the Xoom a more competitive advantage over the iPads in terms of the amount of overall storage that they can use. There are already 64GB SD cards, while I believe the max for a MicroSD is still 32GB. (Correct me if I am wrong.)

blakejohnson86 said:
While I agree that MicroSD is more compatible with other devices, I would imagine a normal SD card would give the Xoom a more competitive advantage over the iPads in terms of the amount of overall storage that they can use. There are already 64GB SD cards, while I believe the max for a MicroSD is still 32GB. (Correct me if I am wrong.)
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You're wrong MicroSD has support for SDXC however, most devices are not SDXC compatible. Just as you will find that most SD card readers are not SDXC compatible.

Earthbrain said:
I think it is ridiculous to have the Xoom only be compatible with only Micro-SD card instead of regular SD card. It is not like the tab is so small that the regular SD card would not fit. It is NOT a phone.
Regular SD card has the benefit of:
1. Much much cheaper for a bigger space.
2. Did I say it is cheaper for a bigger space...?
3. Faster speed
I am not sure if it will use more energy and decrease battery life. But even still, how much more energy can it actually drain compared to the micro-SD card.
Sometimes I have no idea what the designers/engineers are thinking when they develop technology. There is always a missing screw somewhere.
Wow...I am finish ranting...
What a relief.....
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I only wish that what is already there would work.

EnderTheThird said:
What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
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But if the Xoom had a SD slot instead of MicroSD you could just use that same MicroSD card with the adapter in the Xoom.
If you're gonne be swapping out a card from the Xoom to a phone, you might as well be using the SD slot to store the MicroSD to SD adapter.
It would cost Moto pennies to include the adapter in that slot, but still allow people to just dump it and use a regular SD card in there if they want to
In my opinion, its all about having options. (Thats why we like android after all) An SD card slot would give us options, to use a MicroSD in there with an adapter, or to use a regular SD if we'd rather do that. The MicroSD slot doesn't give us the same option in reverse.
Its really not a big deal to me, but thats just what the case in favor of it would be.

Why can't my aunt have male genitals... then she'd be my uncle and we could play basketball together.
WHY?????

gbenj said:
But if the Xoom had a SD slot instead of MicroSD you could just use that same MicroSD card with the adapter in the Xoom.
If you're gonne be swapping out a card from the Xoom to a phone, you might as well be using the SD slot to store the MicroSD to SD adapter.
It would cost Moto pennies to include the adapter in that slot, but still allow people to just dump it and use a regular SD card in there if they want to
In my opinion, its all about having options. (Thats why we like android after all) An SD card slot would give us options, to use a MicroSD in there with an adapter, or to use a regular SD if we'd rather do that. The MicroSD slot doesn't give us the same option in reverse.
Its really not a big deal to me, but thats just what the case in favor of it would be.
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That is my thought exactly.
That is why I made this post.

EnderTheThird said:
What you forget is that by sticking with MicroSD it's more compatible with other devices. If you want to put that same card into your phone or any other mobile device, you have greater compatibility with MicroSD. If you want to put it in a regular SD card device, you can do so with an adapter, but you wouldn't have that same versatility/compatibility with a regular SD card as you would with MicroSD.
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Uh, in the situations you described, an SD card slot would be a MUCH better choice. Having an SD card slot would give you the OPTION to use an SD card, and the OPTION to use an SD to microSD converter and use a microsd card. So if you were concerned with sharing media between phone and tablet, you would just need that little SD to microsd converter.
Edit: I see now that this point has been made multiple times.

cwizardtx said:
Why can't my aunt have male genitals... then she'd be my uncle and we could play basketball together.
WHY?????
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You too?!?! I thought I was the only one who wondered that! Lmfao classic
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I wish it had an SD card primarily for viewing pictures from digital cameras.
I do not want to put a microSD card and an adapter into my DSLR, and as many have mentioned, the larger storages and faster read/write speeds are cheaper for an SD card versus the same capacity microSD counterpart.
SD card would have made so much more sense. Hell, I don't even care if Motorola included an adapter, who the **** here has more than one microSD card and zero adapters? I think I have like 2 adapters, maybe even 3.

Micro SD jus the universal mobile standard
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Sorry man I don't really see it as a problem unless you have a camera with a regular SD card slot. If this is the case buy a MicroSD with the adapter thats what I do. If I buy any new cards I get Micro and make sure it comes with the adapter. That way I am #winning. The cards are so cheap anyway. Who would have thought you could buy and 8gb card for less then 20 bucks?

zone23 said:
Sorry man I don't really see it as a problem unless you have a camera with a regular SD card slot. If this is the case buy a MicroSD with the adapter thats what I do. If I buy any new cards I get Micro and make sure it comes with the adapter. That way I am #winning.
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"and as many have mentioned, the larger storages and faster read/write speeds are cheaper for an SD card versus the same capacity microSD counterpart."
That is why I don't want to put a microSD card in it!

pekosROB said:
"and as many have mentioned, the larger storages and faster read/write speeds are cheaper for an SD card versus the same capacity microSD counterpart."
That is why I don't want to put a microSD card in it!
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I understand the cost factor. When you get into the larger capacities the prices between a 32gb card doubles for a Micro SD. Its just another way for the man to stick it too ya.

I'm glad it's microsd, the xoom is thick enough as is imo
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Honestly guys? You make think the tablet has "plenty of space", but if you've ever done product design or circuit board layout, you'll find that anything smaller makes a big difference. I used to think the change to MicroUSB from MiniUSB was lame, but I've laid out some circuit boards with both connectors, and *MAN* are Mini USB connectors huge!
I felt the same way about the change from SD, to Mini SD, to MicroSD, but honestly, regular SD is huge.
They did it because of size guys, thats all there is to it.
If you want to connect your camera, the Xoom supports USB hosting so you can just plug it right in (Does it work with cameras? I don't have my Xoom yet, but I thought they said it does or will support this), or just use a MicroSD card in your camera. 8GB cards are like $15, and do you really need that much space in your camera? I'm a photographer (well, its a hobby) with a Canon 40D and I only carry like 6 gigs of cards on me (a 4 and a backup 2).
If you never take the pictures off your camera I could see it being an issue, but I never do that for fear of losing them if I lose the camera or the memory fails.
Anyway, none of that matters. They did it because of size. It really does make that big of a difference.

Micro SD card slot means no need for 32gb model?

So I'm wondering if there is a micro SD card slot then do you really need to buy the 32gb version? It appears that the current math among tablet manufacturer's is $100 for 16gb of memory which is obviously a joke. So if i buy the 16gb version and then buy a 16gb sd card ($25) do I effectively come out with the same thing for $75 cheaper?

Depends how you use it. I think it will behave like the Samsung Galaxy S in that the built in memory will appear as a different location to the external memory. Files cannot span both locations and thus your file may not fit even though the total combined free space you have left is larger than the file you are trying to copy.

well if thats the case then in general it will work just fine. Chances arent very good that i'm going to have some massive file on there.

Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.

You could spend $90 on a Class 10 32GB card and be looking pretty good.

there you go, 32 gb for the price they are offering 16gigs. sounds good to me. not only that but you can spread that cost. Drop the $499 now, wait a couple months and get the micro sd later. thanks for the info

Magnesus said:
Internal memory is probably faster than 25$ microSD card.
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On my galaxy s, my class 4 micro sd card is as quick is the internal memory. I'm sure the tab will allow quicker speeds but it's worth noting that a class 4 card is sufficiently fast enough to play back 1080p without problems. If you want to save time transferring files between tablet and pc then fair enough but I would personally save money and get a class 4 and make a cup of tea while it copies

Just but the 16GB, as long as it has a micro SD slot you won't need anymore than that.

Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.

Blueman101 said:
Thats pretty much what it mean, the question now is whether it will actually have an SD card slot, I have read conflicting reports that it does and does not have one.
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I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.

Techno79 said:
I think the conflicting reports are due to two different versions of the Tab 10.1. The version shown during the MWC does not appear to have a MicroSD card slot. The newer version shown at CTIA does have a MicroSD card slot. Most reviews are consistent with this but a few have gotten it wrong which has probably led to the confusion.
There's a number of differences between the versions but the easy to identify differences are thickness and MP of the rear camera. The first version (MWC) is 10.9mm thick and has an 8MP rear camera. The newer version (CTIA) is 8.6mm thick and has a 3MP rear camera.
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Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!

Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably

true, you probably can live without an SD card. But the reason most people will probably get a 16gb plus a 32gb SD is because its cheaper (even with the extra 32gb SD card purchase) then paying an extra $100 for a mere 16GB

I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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jvs60 said:
I actually have a 16gb class 4 sitting around collecting dust. I'll just stick it in 16gb model
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there ya go

gogol said:
Actually, what I want is 64GB internal memory model, with or without microSD card
I prefer without, if the space can be used to a little bit more battery and/or reduce the weight!.
I am now getting used to Nexus S, the one without microSD card. To my surprise, I can live with it, comfortably
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I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.

That's true. Having microSD is handy. Especially if you want to transfer a lot of files or big files.
But, my point is that no-microSD will not stop me buying a tablet
After I owned Nexus S, I don't think it is important anymore as long as the internal storage is big enough.
Again, this is my own preference
Techno79 said:
I wouldn't have thought removing a MicroSD card slot would save much space or weight. A MicroSD card is tiny as too the housing for the slot.
For me, the want of a MicroSD card slot is not for expanding storage space cheaply but more for being able to transfer files to/from MicroSD easily. There's many situations when I would want to do this with a MicroSD card from my other devices or it is a MicroSD card from someone else I am with. In those situations, it's sometimes easier than faffing around with cables, bluetooth or Wifi. So the slot just gives another option.
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Blueman101 said:
Yeah i figure thats about what happened. Hopefully we will see some detailed(confirmed) specs soon so we can know what is really driving this thing. Also, perhaps finally review the optional UI question.
Dear Samsung,
Y U NO INFORM EXCITED PUBLIC OF FINAL SPECS!
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The one released in Aust. last week is a 16GB no SD slot model. I haven't seen a confirmation of the one that has the SD slot but have heard rumours that it will be thinner and up to 32GB.
I thought the internal memory was available to both system & data doesn't this mean that the internal memory would be an ext flavour rather than a FAT?

I see your point and I have to agree that it does seem a bit cheaper just to get the 16gb model and buy a 16gb sd card unless u plan on being a data/movie packrat on ur Tab in which case you will want to get the 32gb model as well as a 32gb sd card.

I want the highest storage available period!
I don't care if it cost more. I would rather get a 32 GB and have another 32 GB of SD card storage.
I wish that there is a 64 GB version with SD card slot so that I can have 32 GB SD card to make the total of 96 GB.
I can never have enough space because I have so many HD movies that I want to store in my tablet.

Sprint microSD card slot...

Lmao...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorol...rint/1161032.p?id=1219481186670&skuId=1161032
"32GB storage capacity - Offers room to house pictures, videos, music and more. A microSD slot allows simple expansion (card not included)."
Also on the spec sheet...
"Media Card Slot microSD"

elkay said:
Lmao...
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/motorol...rint/1161032.p?id=1219481186670&skuId=1161032
"32GB storage capacity - Offers room to house pictures, videos, music and more. A microSD slot allows simple expansion (card not included)."
Also on the spec sheet...
"Media Card Slot microSD"
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Don't get too excited. This is obviously a typo.
EDIT: Nevermind, didn't see the LMAO part. lol

Best Buy prove themselves to be Id10T errors once again.

It's been up like that all day. I'm surprised it was entered wrong in both spots. They're just opening themselves up to problems for people that don't actually know better.

SD card nor SD card slot not included
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ggreenwood334 said:
SD card nor SD card slot not included
sent from my sad m8. soon nexus 6
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Huh??

sfidelisrp said:
Huh??
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LOL! Now that would be hilarious..
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How do i enable Adaptive storage?

Is it possible to do this on the moto g4 plus?

j0nas_ said:
Is it possible to do this on the moto g4 plus?
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Go into settings>Storage & USB, choose your SD card, hit the 3 dots at the top and choose format as internal. Of course I guess you know you can't move system apps and other apps that the developer chooses to prevent from moving.

Tel864 said:
Go into settings>Storage & USB, choose your SD card, hit the 3 dots at the top and choose format as internal. Of course I guess you know you can't move system apps and other apps that the developer chooses to prevent from moving.
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Thanks, now i have 45 gb instead of 12 in internal storage!

something you have to know before formatting an sdcard as internal storage, is that you need a fast card if you want to move heavy apps (like games and that kind of stuff)
i say this because in my old phone (Moto g3), i bought a class 10 uhs1 16gb sdcard, and the apps run slow. Then i bought a class10 uhs3 32gb sdcard and everything changes. Apps on the sd didn't get stuck on starting or loading, and in general, they run a faster than the previous card
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Lapnis said:
something you have to know before formatting an sdcard as internal storage, is that you need a fast card if you want to move heavy apps (like games and that kind of stuff)
i say this because in my old phone (Moto g3), i bought a class 10 uhs1 16gb sdcard, and the apps run slow. Then i bought a class10 uhs3 32gb sdcard and everything changes. Apps on the sd didn't get stuck on starting or loading, and in general, they run a faster than the previous card
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My card is 32gb class 6 made by samsung, I didn't think it would be fast tbh but it's on par with internal storage (more or less). The only slow thing was formatting it.

j0nas_ said:
My card is 32gb class 8 made by samsung, I didn't think it would be fast tbh but it's on par with internal storage (more or less). The only slow thing was formatting it.
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if it's enough for you and you don't feel that apps see running slow, so it's ok....
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Adoptable storage problems

I was just wondering how many of you have had problems/success with the adoptable storage. I have had two Moto x pures and both have messed up memory cards. I have lost 3 cards total that I could not access even when I tried from my PC. If you have had success I would love to know what card you are using. I've used a SanDisk ultra 64gb. A Samsung Evo 32gb and a lexar 32gb. The blue and gray ones. I'm not sure what the model was. All three of those are dead now pretty much because I can't access them.

What have you done to kill them? Are you rooted and flashing Roms or is this with the stock rom and no root? If the later do they just fail randomly or is there a specific trigger?

Running completely stock. No root. No Roms. I've never flashed anything on these particular phones. I never saw anything in common when the memory cards stopped working. It would just say the memory card was removed and then I would not be able to access it or anything stored on. When I would insert it into the computer it would say I needed to format the card.

Adopted storage puts a lot of stress on SD cards, unofficially even Motorola recommends against it (look in the Lenovo Support forums, several Motorola representatives recommend not to use adopted storage if you can get away with it). The problem is consumer microSD cards are not intended for constant read/write use that adopted storage puts the card though, thus they fail much earlier than "typical" usage situations. Again, this varies by card and it's quality, some will go a very long time, others not so much.
https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X...ard-Portable-or-Internal-storage/td-p/3536596

Did you then format the card and test it? Either the card failed due to read write degrading it or it really lost connection and that damaged the file structure.

It may just be the file system not recognised by Windows. Use a low level SD card formatting tool and check after doing a full format.
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An SDcard formatted for adoptable storage is encrypted and won't be readable on your computer.
Also, there are a bunch of counterfeit cards for sale these days. They work, sort-of. They're 4-gig cards modified to report a higher capacity. Once you put too much data on them, the filesystem can get corrupted.
Even if the cards are good, I've had nothing but issues with adoptable storage. I've only used it on a Moto E with 4 gigs of storage. My Moto X uses portable storage, and I've had no issues.

Adoptable storage for the most part had been a failure in my opinion. Some OEMs disable the function, such as Samsung. If you read around, you see many bad stories about the storage as well. Granted some people like it, but it is just not worth it all things considered. Personally, I think the original concept of saving select apps to the sd card worked better. If the app performance was poor, you could move it to internal. Would love to see that option come back.
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I used apptosd for years and it worked well.

So I guess next time I should just get a phone with more internal memory. I figured since I already had memory cards and adoptable storage was an option I could just save some cash and get the 16gb phone. I'm still hoping someone shares a positive story and what memory card they are using with success.

Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them

affiatic said:
Me and my wife both had our 1st cards ruined in the Moto x pure. I don't remember the brand but since off eBay they could have easily been knockoffs. Wasn't using them as addoptive storage. I am now. PC would not recognize them. There are programs that I have had success with for free on PC to retrieve your photos from the cards even though the PC doesn't read them
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In my personal preference, I back up my photos to a PC monthly. But just to be sure I lose very little should my card go south, I use Google photos to backup while charging and on wifi. The unlimited option for photos means a slight reduction in size, but I also have peace of mind that I will still have them.

I was using adoptable storage for about a year in my old moto e lte without issues (sandisk 16gb), it was working great although I wasn't moving any apps to card. One time when I messed something up (definitely it was my fault) I couldn't acces my card but all I had to do was to put card into sd card reader and format it using partition wizard (you have to delete partitions that windows can't acces on it's own).

I have noticed my phone seems a bit slower launching some apps since I started adopted storage. Maybe an extra second to launch so it doesn't bother me. I am using am emtec u1 class 10 gold card. I don't know anything about the brand and am almost embarrassed to admit that I bought it at the hardware store lol

I have been using a SanDisk Ultra 32gb for 6 months without issue on stock non- rooted ROM. I don't take many pictures so no big deal for me if it gets corrupted. Amazon has the SanDisk 64gb Ultra for $16.00. Sadly I have the 16gb Pure.

I have the 16gb version with a Sandisk UHC-1 64gb as adoptable storage for about 2 months. Haven't had any issues so far and I moved the majority of my apps to the sd. Also haven't noticed any significant delay or performance impact either. I'm a casual user, no games or heavy demanding apps installed.