So I'm considering buying this phone but I want to know how does it compare to the N5 in terms of an unlocked bootloader, custom kernels, custom roms development community, and updates from LG.
As you may know, I read that in the past LG didn't update their phones, how can we know that it won't happen again ?
I read that the bootloader is locked, is it true ?
what about custom kernels and custom roms development compared to nexus 5 ? Is there a lot or few ? Are they buggy/stable ?
Thanks.
Yeah the bootloader is locked. But that's what Loki is for. It just bypasses the bootloader entirely.
As for ROMs and kernels, you can check the development sub forums on here yourself to see if the amount is to your satisfaction. Though personally, I don't need a ton of options, just one really good one.
And as for their buginess, it's a case by case basis. Again, that's something you'll need to look into for yourself.
Sent from CAMACHO, my Verizon G2 (VS980) running PAC ROM 4.3.
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I am brand new to these boards and usually don't ask questions. I am pretty tech savvy but cannot code or anything like that. I don't mind rooting a phone and flashing a custom ROM. I am currently using the Galaxy Nexus on Verizon and love having pretty much stock android but the phone is starting to feel slow. I want to upgrade to the Note 3 because I love the hardware specs. However, I hate what Samsung did to it with TouchWiz. I don't really have time to debug or troubleshoot a ROM. My question revolves around the Cyanogenmod build for this phone. I read that they release a nightlie for it but when you go to the webpage its not listed as an available device. Does this mean that they are still working on an "official version"? I would like to get the phone as close to AOSP as possible and have it fully functional. I understand that all the Samsung stuff will be removed which I am fine with. This is probably basic to most of you but any guidance on what my best option would be greatly appreciated.
There are official nightlies, but only for the Developer Edition phone. The Verizon Retail version has a locked bootloader and can only flash ROMs with a stock kernel.
The DE (unlocked bootloader) is only available from Samsung, and is currently out of stock/backordered. EBay or Swappa are about the only way to come by one now.
what cam30era said.
If you want a full custom ROM that only functions correctly by using a custom kernel, you will need to buy a developer edition Note 3, not a retail device. This is a consequence of the fact that the VZW retail Note 3 has security protections that (have not been circumvented at this time and) prevent the booting of custom kernels.
It is my understanding that CM11 needs kernel features that are not present in the retail, stock (MI9, MJ7, or MJE) kernels. Whether this causes bootloops, UI framework crashes, or something more minor (loss of some functionality) I don't know.
My guess is there will be little motivation for CM11 to "officially" add the VZW Note 3 as long as it's secure boot locks remain un-hacked, as there aren't many dev-ed owners.
[OFFICIAL] CyanogenMod for DEVED VZW Note 3 (HLTEVZW) [2014-01-11]
good luck
In my experience, most of the time, stock based ROMs run faster with better battery life over AOSP anyway.. but I've seen exceptions.
Hey,
I am going to buy a new phone, however I am still doubting between the G2 or the N5. They are both equally priced, altough the G2 is a little bit cheaper with an LG cashback.
At this moment the G2 has a head start due to the larger battery, better camera (4K?!) and better specs overal (IR blaster) and I am going to use a custom rom anyway ( tips anyone ?).
However I am still in doubt to what the support of the community is.
Thus what I wanted to know is, how is the developper support and the community support of the G2 in comparison to the N5?
At first glance there seems to be much more support, developpers and custom roms for the N5 than the G2, can anyone tell me if this is indeed the case.
Is there btw a custom rom similiar to that of the N5 (with perhaps quickremote support)?
Thanks
Hartendief said:
Hey,
I am going to buy a new phone, however I am still doubting between the G2 or the N5. They are both equally priced, altough the G2 is a little bit cheaper with an LG cashback.
At this moment the G2 has a head start due to the larger battery, better camera (4K?!) and better specs overal (IR blaster) and I am going to use a custom rom anyway ( tips anyone ?).
However I am still in doubt to what the support of the community is.
Thus what I wanted to know is, how is the developper support and the community support of the G2 in comparison to the N5?
At first glance there seems to be much more support, developpers and custom roms for the N5 than the G2, can anyone tell me if this is indeed the case.
Is there btw a custom rom similiar to that of the N5 (with perhaps quickremote support)?
Thanks
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The Nexus phones have pretty much the largest development base, so yes that's true. If you want access to the most roms, Nexus wins. Battery life would suffer though, that's why I chose the G2. There are some great roms for the G2 though, you have to do some searching to see if you like them. Cyanogenmod is the closest to the N5, which is just vanilla kitkat. For quickremote I think you need a stock based rom, but there are a few out there that have a dark theme like vanilla kitkat.
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The Nexus phones have pretty much the largest development base, so yes that's true. If you want access to the most roms, Nexus wins. Battery life would suffer though, that's why I chose the G2. There are some great roms for the G2 though, you have to do some searching to see if you like them. Cyanogenmod is the closest to the N5, which is just vanilla kitkat. For quickremote I think you need a stock based rom, but there are a few out there that have a dark theme like vanilla kitkat.
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Actually there is a quick remote app for AOSP ROMs
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2596104
scottdanpor said:
The Nexus phones have pretty much the largest development base, so yes that's true. If you want access to the most roms, Nexus wins. Battery life would suffer though, that's why I chose the G2. There are some great roms for the G2 though, you have to do some searching to see if you like them. Cyanogenmod is the closest to the N5, which is just vanilla kitkat. For quickremote I think you need a stock based rom, but there are a few out there that have a dark theme like vanilla kitkat.
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Thank you for your reply, I had a S3 where I had CM 11 unofficial on it (loved it).
I however read that the battery life of CM11 on the G2 is pretty bad.
One quick question again, I am from belgium and will thus be getting the international 802 version: I noticed there is a devide between the different versions, does that mean that I won't be able to use roms in the 801 forum ?
Hartendief said:
Thank you for your reply, I had a S3 where I had CM 11 unofficial on it (loved it).
I however read that the battery life of CM11 on the G2 is pretty bad.
One quick question again, I am from belgium and will thus be getting the international 802 version: I noticed there is a devide between the different versions, does that mean that I won't be able to use roms in the 801 forum ?
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There are many roms that will work with all G2 versions, but roms only designed to work on 801 will not work on 802 without being ported (by a developer). The title usually says which version(s) it will work with. Some say "All variants".
I can't comment on CM because I run a customized stock rom. Great battery life and I really like white themes rather than dark.
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There are many roms that will work with all G2 versions, but roms only designed to work on 801 will not work on 802 without being ported (by a developer). The title usually says which version(s) it will work with. Some say "All variants".
I can't comment on CM because I run a customized stock rom. Great battery life and I really like white themes rather than dark.
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Okay understandable, but that's kinda dissapointing about not being able to flash 801 on 802 or the other way around,
To my opinion, not a lot of roms will/could be ported to the other version. I believe this is of such a great influence that the N5 would be a wiser choice.
Can you help me out a bit and point me in the right direction as to where I can find these "many" custom roms ?
I have searched in G2 android development and G2 android development (802) section and the amount of custom roms I found was very limited:
Kit Kat baked is unofficial for the 802
Gummy Rom is not available for the 802
Btw:
1. root
2. TWRP
3. CM11/ Pacman/Paradroid ?
Hartendief said:
Okay understandable, but that's kinda dissapointing about not being able to flash 801 on 802 or the other way around,
To my opinion, not a lot of roms will/could be ported to the other version. I believe this is of such a great influence that the N5 would be a wiser choice.
Can you help me out a bit and point me in the right direction as to where I can find these "many" custom roms ?
I have searched in G2 android development and G2 android development (802) section and the amount of custom roms I found was very limited:
Kit Kat baked is unofficial for the 802
Gummy Rom is not available for the 802
Btw:
1. root
2. TWRP
3. CM11/ Pacman/Paradroid ?
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Root and TWRP are for sure available. Did you check the original android development section for roms? Probably still not as many as for the N5. I never heard of Gummy rom, but the others I have.
Hartendief said:
Okay understandable, but that's kinda dissapointing about not being able to flash 801 on 802 or the other way around,
To my opinion, not a lot of roms will/could be ported to the other version. I believe this is of such a great influence that the N5 would be a wiser choice.
Can you help me out a bit and point me in the right direction as to where I can find these "many" custom roms ?
I have searched in G2 android development and G2 android development (802) section and the amount of custom roms I found was very limited:
Kit Kat baked is unofficial for the 802
Gummy Rom is not available for the 802
Btw:
1. root
2. TWRP
3. CM11/ Pacman/Paradroid ?
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root- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48709232&postcount=869
twrp- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2449670
cm11- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495859 (thread has not been updated in a while those bugs may not exist anymore)
pacman- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2500030
paranoid- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2502789
team gummy rom- http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2572383 (apparently there is a gummy rom for d802 international)
as for threads this one is aosp only http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/orig-development and as long as it says d802 in it you will be able to flash also d802 specific thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-g2/development-d802
as for development and different models each devise is different from there sources to their networks so each has to be developed to differently unlike the nexus which is a one for all device also pretty much all the features which are for stock g2 have been ported over and battery life is amazing on both stock and aosp especially compared to the n5
I was all amped up to finally make the leap from just being rooted (OC3) to installing a custom rom (CM 12.1) and spent a bunch of time researching the process and trying to figure out why my attempts to install a custom recovery were all unsuccessful. Then I came here and discovered why (AT&T locks the bootloader).
Now I'm feeling very deflated. Originally I thought I'd get a Nexus phone but I don't like the new Nexus offerings. The next best alternative to me was to pretty much go AOSP with my S4 (eventually moving to CM 13 once that releases for the S4).
So my main question is this: for someone who was interested in going pretty much as stock Android as possible, what's the best option among roms that I can install on my phone, particularly roms which will continue to give my phone life moving forward in terms of updates (marshmallow and beyond)?
And my secondary question is what, if any, reasons are there for me to install a custom rom if I'm not interested in bling? In other words, what are the functional advantages (e.g. enabling tethering, non-broken xposed, eliminating samsung/at&t bloat, etc)?
Appreciate any info and guidance!
I guess I have a 3rd question - is there any hope that we will ever be able to replace the bootloader and install roms like CM? I have no idea if anyone is working on that and it's just a matter of time or if it's considered to be an impossible task.
I can't answer your first question and I'm not sure why you are asking since you aren't able to install proper custom roms anyway..
You don't need a custom rom for a number of things you mention. Removing bloat can speed up your device, save battery, and put an end to some of the annoyances you get from unwanted apps. Xposed is great for customizing your phone and getting rid of that irritating high volume notification.
Finally, no, there is no hope of unlocking the bootloader. The S4 is old so fewer and fewer people care about it. There is a thread about it in the Verizon s4 forum...
My advice : get rid of your S4. Find a phone that uses stock Android and not all this custom TouchWiz rubbish.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I337 using Tapatalk
Seeing as a lot of post talking about custom roms as far as aosp based are old and talk about locked bootloader.. see as the bootloader has been unlock or can be. are any roms here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development usable to us that have unlock loaders? im looking for a vanilla aosp rom and a permissive kernel in the Lollipop or Marshmallow (if it wont relock my loader) department. any valuable input greatly appreciated.
darkensx said:
Seeing as a lot of post talking about custom roms as far as aosp based are old and talk about locked bootloader.. see as the bootloader has been unlock or can be. are any roms here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-3/development usable to us that have unlock loaders? im looking for a vanilla aosp rom and a permissive kernel in the Lollipop or Marshmallow (if it wont relock my loader) department. any valuable input greatly appreciated.
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Yes many of those ROMs are very good. The ones that will work with the n900v normally will list it in the opening post.
I have personally used this ROM for months and have been very pleased with it!
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga...-resurrection-remix-n-v5-8-3-vanilla-t3615227
It is a nougat ROM, requires you to use a special recovery and you need to use the T-Mobile ( TMO )version of the ROM.
Hi All,
Coming from one plus family. I'm wondering why there is no activities going on in the development thread? No custom roms no kernels so far..?
padhu1989 said:
Hi All,
Coming from one plus family. I'm wondering why there is no activities going on in the development thread? No custom roms no kernels so far..?
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If you're a flashaholic this is not the phone for you my friend. The Snapdragon variant has a locked bootloader and even though the Exynos variant can be rooted, there hasn't been any significant development in the past 3 years. Most Galaxy users are fine without root.
There is no need of rooting for samsung users these days.. samsung have given most of the fautures which 1 attained through rooting earlier
rahulkheria said:
There is no need of rooting for samsung users these days.. samsung have given most of the fautures which 1 attained through rooting earlier
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I'm not worrying about rooting.. what about updates.. if Samsung decided to stop the updates , is it the end of the phone? I have my one plus one device having Android pie custom rom.. I'm worrying about updates not about the features..
padhu1989 said:
I'm not worrying about rooting.. what about updates.. if Samsung decided to stop the updates , is it the end of the phone? I have my one plus one device having Android pie custom rom.. I'm worrying about updates not about the features..
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It depends if a dev is willing to make such a ROM and continue updating it.
I'm sure we'll see custom roms for the snapdragon variant later this year.
There is one full custom rom and one magisk mods one already available, the others will roll out like a snowball.
It took more time because of finding a new rooting way on s10/+ but now it's good. On s9 they had stock based roms as well as aosp, just be a bit more patient and you will be happy
This phone is guaranteed two major Updates Q and R , probably we'll get custom ROMs and right now sgr ROMs work with some bugs , but I'm fine with no root and Samsung one ui
There are in s10 thread which are compatible with s10 plus