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problem with checking for updates after rooting

hello,
i rooted my galaxy S4 i9505 today using the steps here descripted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2255190
now when i check for updates it keeps saying:
your device has been modified sofware updates are not available.
does this mean i cannot check for updates like this anymore?
should i unroot my phone to get this function back?

nielsvg said:
hello,
i rooted my galaxy S4 i9505 today using the steps here descripted: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2255190
now when i check for updates it keeps saying:
your device has been modified sofware updates are not available.
does this mean i cannot check for updates like this anymore?
should i unroot my phone to get this function back?
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When a device is rooted, firmware is modified (customised) so the update is not available as Samsung considers it as another firmware.
If you want to get OTA updates back, you must unroot first. Flashing again the stock firmware without rooting it will allow you to have OTA again.
You can also use TriangleAway in order to reset your flash counter for warranty purposes.

kaalalto said:
When a device is rooted, firmware is modified (customised) so the update is not available as Samsung considers it as another firmware.
If you want to get OTA updates back, you must unroot first. Flashing again the stock firmware without rooting it will allow you to have OTA again.
You can also use TriangleAway in order to reset your flash counter for warranty purposes.
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do i still get kies updates or does it always has to go with odin?

nielsvg said:
do i still get kies updates or does it always has to go with odin?
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No, after returning to official status, you can use whatever you want to update (KIES, OTA and Odin).
May I suggest you to use the pre-rooted roms made for i9505. They are identical to stock roms, are already rooted and keep the official status.

kaalalto said:
No, after returning to official status, you can use whatever you want to update (KIES, OTA and Odin).
May I suggest you to use the pre-rooted roms made for i9505. They are identical to stock roms, are already rooted and keep the official status.
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i installed triangleaway and now it's official.
but do i have to keep this app on my phone or can i delete it?
and if i do install other roms do i have to keep doing this with triangleaway if it arent roms were this is implemented automaticly?

nielsvg said:
i installed triangleaway and now it's official.
but do i have to keep this app on my phone or can i delete it?
and if i do install other roms do i have to keep doing this with triangleaway if it arent roms were this is implemented automaticly?
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Triangle away is just for reset flash counter. If you're now on official status and the Samsung's OTA is available, there is no need to keep it.
Anyway, in order to work, TriangleAway (TA) needs root. So if you're unrooted, you cannot use it.
For the other roms like cyanogenmod, there is no need of TA. Their updater will update the rom regardless of flash counter or status, as it cannot be official anayway !

kaalalto said:
Triangle away is just for reset flash counter. If you're now on official status and the OTA is available, there is no need to keep it.
Anyway, in order to work, TriangleAway (TA) need root. So if you're unrooted, you cannot use it.
For the other roms like cyanogenmod, there is no need of TA. Their updater will update the rom regardless of flash counter or status, as it cannot be official anayway !
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one last thing
triangle away didnt do it. i had to download OFFICIAL STATUS MOD(.tar.md5 and do it through odin.
now it really worked but triangle away isnt working anymore and SU says when opening: there is no SU binary installed and SuperSU couldnt install it. this is a problem.
is this really a problem?

nielsvg said:
one last thing
triangle away didnt do it. i had to download OFFICIAL STATUS MOD(.tar.md5 and do it through odin.
now it really worked but triangle away isnt working anymore and SU says when opening: there is no SU binary installed and SuperSU couldnt install it. this is a problem.
is this really a problem?
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It works again
This is the final question. If my phonevis brokenvand have to send it for repair do i have waranty?
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nielsvg said:
It works again
This is the final question. If my phonevis brokenvand have to send it for repair do i have waranty?
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I didn't understand you...but if you're speakin about sending the phone to Samsung, I think flashing it before to stock ROM and to unroot it would be a nice thing !

kaalalto said:
I didn't understand you...but if you're speakin about sending the phone to Samsung, I think flashing it before to stock ROM and to unroot it would be a nice thing !
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today my phone gave the notification of a new update. it can download it but when trying to install it it gives an error that it cant install it ota and i have to use kies?
i better didnt root because it is a phone of my employer

As you received your OTA file, everything is back to normal. However, sometimes OTA may not work correctly. You should then update with KIES or use Odin to flash the correct version.

Could someone please clarify a rooting/firmware rollback question

Have updated my stock I9505 to JDQ39/MH8 and was wandering if I were to root and install something like CM10 or GE 4.3 rom, I will be unable to rollback to stock TW 4.2.2?
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Of course mister you can. Why not?
But keep in mind that you can rollback only on MH8 stock firmware and not on previous cause new bootloader.
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That's great. Thanks. Just wanted to make sure I could go back to stock touchwiz should any of the rooms not be for me.
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your warranty will be void
and for now you cant roll back to warranty, knox warranty void counter will show 1 and there is no way to reset it so far

This has become a bit of a pain hasn't it. Think I may sit this out untill a workaround is sorted.
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Apparently the new counter can't be reset, so once you do something to change the system (root etc) your warranty will be voided. For ever.

bungadudu said:
Apparently the new counter can't be reset, so once you do something to change the system (root etc) your warranty will be voided. For ever.
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I`am sure Chainfire will find a way eventualy :fingers-crossed:

gee2012 said:
I`am sure Chainfire will find a way eventualy :fingers-crossed:
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you can downgrade to old me 1 etc now - reset counter and up to MI1 (latest - sept 12 ) build

Kriomag said:
and for now you cant roll back to warranty, knox warranty void counter will show 1 and there is no way to reset it so far
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How can I check Knox counter?
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If you've updated to the new firmwares, just boot into download mode. You'll see it there.
Thing is, Chainfire said that it is based on an e-fuse, so it can't be reseted.

[Q] Triangle away doesn't reset flash counter. Please help

I have galaxy s4 and wanted to reset flash counter with triangle away . After doing all the steps and I rebooted the phone the triangle away flash counter still show 9 . How come ? Why does it still show 9 and not 1 ?
Any help will be appreciated .

It will most likely be because you're not using stock recovery or kernel
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symondo12 said:
It will most likely be because you're not using stock recovery or kernel
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So it means if I go back to stock rom and kernel ,it will reset flash counter to zero and not if i am trying to reset on a already custom rom ?

ricky0001 said:
So it means if I go back to stock rom and kernel ,it will reset flash counter to zero and not if i am trying to reset on a already custom rom ?
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It won't work you must have stock kernel, stock recovery

You need to flash pre-rooted stock fw with odin, then use triangle away to reset counter. After that you can flash non rooted stock fw with odin to get your phone back to stock, if that is what you want.

vesu said:
You need to flash pre-rooted stock fw with odin, then use triangle away to reset counter. After that you can flash non rooted stock fw with odin to get your phone back to stock, if that is what you want.
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Sorry for noob question . But what is pre rooted stock ? Isnt it same as samsung stock firmware which I can flash to overwrite custom rom ?

ricky0001 said:
Sorry for noob question . But what is pre rooted stock ? Isnt it same as samsung stock firmware which I can flash to overwrite custom rom ?
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Yes, its stock samsung firmware but it is already rooted, so you can use triangle away.

vesu said:
Yes, its stock samsung firmware but it is already rooted, so you can use triangle away.
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So i need to be rooted to have triangle away working ? I have already downloaded stock firmware but where do I get pre rooted stock firmware ?

ricky0001 said:
So i need to be rooted to have triangle away working ? I have already downloaded stock firmware but where do I get pre rooted stock firmware ?
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Make sure that you absolutely know what you are doing, I dont want you to brick your deivce or trip knox flag.
If you are still with fw that has OLD bootloader without knox flag, then you can use this one: http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23050663588004454
But if you already have bootloader with knox, then I am not one to help you. After reseting my counter and flashing stock fw, I ota updated my phone to newer fw that has knox bootloader and I've been with stock since then.
Oh and btw, you have i9505 right?

vesu said:
Make sure that you absolutely know what you are doing, I dont want you to brick your deivce or trip knox flag.
If you are still with fw that has OLD bootloader without knox flag, then you can use this one: http://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=23050663588004454
But if you already have bootloader with knox, then I am not one to help you. After reseting my counter and flashing stock fw, I ota updated my phone to newer fw that has knox bootloader and I've been with stock since then.
Oh and btw, you have i9505 right?
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Yes I have I9505 model. I am on new bootloader as I updated my phone with MH8 firmware and got 0x1 knox warranty void. Doesnt really care about losing warranty because I have always handled my phone carefully.
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Which baseband do you have ?
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I have reset it now to 0.
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[Q] Reverting back to stock

Hello everyone,
I have Galaxy S4 GT-I9505 and using CyanogenMod's installer version a few months now.
CyanogenMod's installer has A LOT of problems and I had enough of it and want to go back to stock.
Before I moved to CM I had 4.3 and also Knox bootloader so it went to 0x1 after CM's installation.
I want to ask can I go to stock 4.3 even that my Knox is 0x1?
Do I need to use TriangleAway? If so, how?
I understood that TriangleAway requires Samsung's official kernel but I have the kernel of CM now.
Anyway, what do I need to do?
Thanks in advance

Meyhemg said:
Hello everyone,
I have Galaxy S4 GT-I9505 and using CyanogenMod's installer version a few months now.
CyanogenMod's installer has A LOT of problems and I had enough of it and want to go back to stock.
Before I moved to CM I had 4.3 and also Knox bootloader so it went to 0x1 after CM's installation.
I want to ask can I go to stock 4.3 even that my Knox is 0x1?
Do I need to use TriangleAway? If so, how?
I understood that TriangleAway requires Samsung's official kernel but I have the kernel of CM now.
Anyway, what do I need to do?
Thanks in advance
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Find your stock rom specifically the one that is your region. If your phone is for example like mine, i9500 XSE which is the first three letters of Indonesia then get that specific stock file.
It's probably around 1.4 gigs. It downloads very slow. After that open Odin flash the stock rom, and your good to go. I've bricked numerous times and all I've done was revert back like this. No problems.
I don't know if you can put the stock rom in your custom recovery and flash it there, I haven't tried it yet just run Odin in administrator mode, insert the stock rom, go into download mode on your phone by pressing - vol and power, then click start.
Wait.
Stock.
Done,
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Drasztic said:
Find your stock rom specifically the one that is your region. If your phone is for example like mine, i9500 XSE which is the first three letters of Indonesia then get that specific stock file.
It's probably around 1.4 gigs. It downloads very slow. After that open Odin flash the stock rom, and your good to go. I've bricked numerous times and all I've done was revert back like this. No problems.
I don't know if you can put the stock rom in your custom recovery and flash it there, I haven't tried it yet just run Odin in administrator mode, insert the stock rom, go into download mode on your phone by pressing - vol and power, then click start.
Wait.
Stock.
Done,
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Thanks, but don't I need to use TriangleAway to reset binary counter so that I'll be able to receive future updates from Samsung?

Meyhemg said:
Thanks, but don't I need to use TriangleAway to reset binary counter so that I'll be able to receive future updates from Samsung?
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I may be wrong on this one but, if you use the auto CF root method I don't think there's a way to use the triangle method.
Therefore you're stuck on Knox. I could be wrong but I'm leaning on 70% being right..
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Meyhemg said:
Thanks, but don't I need to use TriangleAway to reset binary counter so that I'll be able to receive future updates from Samsung?
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I guess the binary counter is hidden somewhere. And for updates you can get OTA kies updates if you are havin stock recovery. One last thing Triangle away doesnt supports I9500.
All the best.

Mandark52 said:
I guess the binary counter is hidden somewhere. And for updates you can get OTA kies updates if you are havin stock recovery. One last thing Triangle away doesnt supports I9500.
All the best.
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Thanks.
I installed stock BTU and now my device status shows "Official" and also in download mode, without using TriangleAway.
Also, Kies works with my device again and recognizes it.

Meyhemg said:
Thanks.
I installed stock BTU and now my device status shows "Official" and also in download mode, without using TriangleAway.
Also, Kies works with my device again and recognizes it.
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Yes it says official but your knox counter might be already 0x01. If so, you won't be able to update your device via Kies anymore. You can always download the updates anyway.
cheers ~

deandoi said:
Yes it says official but your knox counter might be already 0x01. If so, you won't be able to update your device via Kies anymore. You can always download the updates anyway.
cheers ~
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But when I connect my phone to Kies it does recognize my phone and says I have the latest firmware and it doesn't shoe any sign that I won't be able to update through it.
I think you're mistaken with the binary counter. If the binary counter wasn't 0 and showed custom in download mode and settings only then I couldn't update via Kies.

deandoi said:
Yes it says official but your knox counter might be already 0x01. If so, you won't be able to update your device via Kies anymore. You can always download the updates anyway.
cheers ~
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If you have a custom recovery then you wont be able to update via Kies or OTA.
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Meyhemg said:
But when I connect my phone to Kies it does recognize my phone and says I have the latest firmware and it doesn't shoe any sign that I won't be able to update through it.
I think you're mistaken with the binary counter. If the binary counter wasn't 0 and showed custom in download mode and settings only then I couldn't update via Kies.
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Oh yeah. My mistake.
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deandoi said:
Oh yeah. My mistake.
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PHEW. I thought it's the end of updates for my device.
What I did understand is that I won't be able to use Knox app on the phone. right?

Meyhemg said:
PHEW. I thought it's the end of updates for my device.
What I did understand is that I won't be able to use Knox app on the phone. right?
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Yep. You won't be able to use them. I disable them anyway.
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[Q] S4 Flashing/Rooting Questions

Apologies for the noob question but I just can't seem to find the answers.
Firstly, I am completely new to this and the magnitude of tutorials and threads all over is just confusing to me. What I want to know is I know rooting/flashing voids the warranty but what happens if say I need to send it back in for repair? How can I wipe every trace off and flash back to a stock ROM? I'm use to jailbreaking on iPhones and a simple restore obviously worked fine but this is obviously different.
Secondly, I read about the flash counter. Is there a way to reset this, un-root and completely stock the phone?
Thirdly, what about official leaked roms? AKA the official 4.4.2 from Samsung. Would this trigger the flash counter etc?
Thanks.

Its the knox warranty void counter you need to worry about.You need to read various topics about bootloaders/knox/triangle away, and kitkat problems.Dont do anything until you spend a week reading....lol
And you can thank me later.

Everything is undo-able except for the KNOX flag. It usually tripped by the installation of custom recovery.
cheers ~

Ah ok thanks for the information guys. I'll have a proper read up first.
I thought that you could revert the Knox flag via triangle away or is that not possible?

It is not possible. Triangle away resets the flash counter
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capzulu said:
It is not possible. Triangle away resets the flash counter
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Ah sorry for my misinterpretation as I thought the Knox counter WAS the flash counter. Is there ever going to be a way to revert it?

Theres a $3k+ bounty waiting for the person that does....

theunderling said:
Theres a $3k+ bounty waiting for the person that does....
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Hopefully someone will do it then. I'm tempted to flash and go to the GPE ROM but I think I'll wait till my Warranty runs out.