Have updated my stock I9505 to JDQ39/MH8 and was wandering if I were to root and install something like CM10 or GE 4.3 rom, I will be unable to rollback to stock TW 4.2.2?
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Of course mister you can. Why not?
But keep in mind that you can rollback only on MH8 stock firmware and not on previous cause new bootloader.
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That's great. Thanks. Just wanted to make sure I could go back to stock touchwiz should any of the rooms not be for me.
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your warranty will be void
and for now you cant roll back to warranty, knox warranty void counter will show 1 and there is no way to reset it so far
This has become a bit of a pain hasn't it. Think I may sit this out untill a workaround is sorted.
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Apparently the new counter can't be reset, so once you do something to change the system (root etc) your warranty will be voided. For ever.
bungadudu said:
Apparently the new counter can't be reset, so once you do something to change the system (root etc) your warranty will be voided. For ever.
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I`am sure Chainfire will find a way eventualy :fingers-crossed:
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I`am sure Chainfire will find a way eventualy :fingers-crossed:
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you can downgrade to old me 1 etc now - reset counter and up to MI1 (latest - sept 12 ) build
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and for now you cant roll back to warranty, knox warranty void counter will show 1 and there is no way to reset it so far
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How can I check Knox counter?
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If you've updated to the new firmwares, just boot into download mode. You'll see it there.
Thing is, Chainfire said that it is based on an e-fuse, so it can't be reseted.
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Hello friends I have a i9500 Indian version and I want to root but worried about the counter has anyone been able to root and later was the service able to detect the counter please help
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hypergamer1231 said:
Hello friends I have a i9500 Indian version and I want to root but worried about the counter has anyone been able to root and later was the service able to detect the counter please help
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Yes, no way to reset the counter atm on the I9500 and it is visible for service personal.
gee2012 said:
Yes, no way to reset the counter atm on the I9500 and it is visible for service personal.
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Thanks a ton for the reply so did the svc center void the warranty and does this mean we will have to wait till chainfire or someone can find a way to make triangle away work on the I9500.....I kinda feel sad for the exynos variant isnt there any way to root the device without losing the warranty..
hypergamer1231 said:
Thanks a ton for the reply so did the svc center void the warranty and does this mean we will have to wait till chainfire or someone can find a way to make triangle away work on the I9500.....I kinda feel sad for the exynos variant isnt there any way to root the device without losing the warranty..
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Not that i know of, it is triggered when custom software is beeing installed with Odin.
gee2012 said:
Not that i know if, it is triggered when custom software is beeing installed by Odin.
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So what am trying to check here is if i install a custom recovery which obviously will be via odin and for some reason if i have to give the phone to the svc center and i flash back to the stock rom will i be able to cover it under warranty....
hypergamer1231 said:
So what am trying to check here is if i install a custom recovery which obviously will be via odin and for some reason if i have to give the phone to the svc center and i flash back to the stock rom will i be able to cover it under warranty....
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Your counter will still be raised and the status will still show modified, if they see that they may void warranty as it is not in original condition.
I am rooted. My counter is at 0. Link to stock rom with root is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Flashing this via odin doesnt trip the counter.
hellboy13 said:
I am rooted. My counter is at 0. Link to stock rom with root is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Flashing this via odin doesnt trip the counter.
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Yup, thats the only exception Unless you want/need custom recovery.
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
ozzalbatrozz said:
Hello,
Is it possible to flash a stock firmware with Odin (with stock kernel, unrooted) if the knox flag is 0x1 and still receive OTA-updates? Or is it the knox flag that determines if the phone should receive OTA-updates? The question is because if I want to sell the phone in the future the buyer might want stock with OTA-updates...
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yes in short you can
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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cpgeek said:
For clearification and my own understanding: if the Knox flag is tripped you can still flash and use stock firmware (with the side effect that it disables Knox functionality and removes Samsung warranty coverage) but it can still receive pushed ota updates and those updates will work properly (assuming with the exception of Knox functionality). Is this the entirety of the effects of tripping the Knox efuse?
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yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
jaythenut said:
yes just voids Samsung warranty thats about it:silly:
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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Then may I ask why everyone is making a huge deal about it? Most (all?) manufactures state that you void your warranty when you flash non stock firmware. I'd bet if I submitted my original galaxy note to Samsung for warranty repair that they'd see the bootloader flag set as custom rom and not touch it... So what is it really that you lose by blowing Knox that you didn't lose when you flash custom firmware on any other device that is making people super angry?
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The argument is, We own the device therefore swapping out software shouldn't affect any hardware issues. Samsung don't have the best quality control and things are faulty sometimes.. why should you be penalized if your volume button breaks or screen breaks due to fault, and they won't fix it because you rooted to add a nice clean theme to your device?
Then there is the underlying security issue surrounding KNOX.. is it a spy tool? is it not? who knows?
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Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
shinchillahh said:
Hi guys,
first of all im sorry about my english... It's not very well :angel:
You say that its possible to do OTA-Updates although the KNOX flag is 0x1... But a few days ago i had a message like "This device is not original/Is touched - no updates available"...
Was it a temporary problem or what is it?
Greetings
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it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
vndnguyen said:
it means your system partition has been modified.
did you root the phone?
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Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
shinchillahh said:
Aaaah okay, yes i did a root! SO when i flash a STOCK ROM without a root it should be fine? And when Android 4.4 is released i am just able to update it OTA???
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you can anyway update OTA while keeping root.
Read this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2519103
Thank u sooo much!
i have already flashed my handset with the russian 4.4.2 mine n900 after i flashed it using odine i rooted it
now if i want to restore warranty how could i do that
knowing that i checked the ieme it's tlike the one in the warranty document and also have taken a copy of it using samsung tool
and i heard some thing about resetting counter but don't know what it does
if someone can tell me what do
thanks in advance
Not possible at the moment. Samsung now=Nazi.
sinful-slave said:
i have already flashed my handset with the russian 4.4.2 mine n900 after i flashed it using odine i rooted it
now if i want to restore warranty how could i do that
knowing that i checked the ieme it's tlike the one in the warranty document and also have taken a copy of it using samsung tool
and i heard some thing about resetting counter but don't know what it does
if someone can tell me what do
thanks in advance
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If you root without tripping knox then it's still good. Enter download mode to check knox. Knox 0x0 means ok
If it says 0x1 then you're boned....
odin mode current binary custom
system status custom
knox warranty void :1
rp swev: A4
Sit and wait for the solution. Or go to service center and ask them to flash it back to stock.
ceftriaxone said:
Sit and wait for the solution. Or go to service center and ask them to flash it back to stock.
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when i went into download mode it gave me 2 option volume up for downloading
and down but there was no other info
i pressed volume up it gave that info
what does that mean
sinful-slave said:
when i went into download mode it gave me 2 option volume up for downloading
and down but there was no other info
i pressed volume up it gave that info
what does that mean
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If you want to get updates you need to wipe your device after flashing stock rom.... Make sure everything is backed up, go to download mode, press up volume to get to download mode and flash the rom with ODIN....
Lookup how to flash with ODIN...
i rooted using this site
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/root-galax...oid-4-4-2-kitkat-install-cwm-recovery-1435188
ultramag69 said:
If you want to get updates you need to wipe your device after flashing stock rom.... Make sure everything is backed up, go to download mode, press up volume to get to download mode and flash the rom with ODIN....
Lookup how to flash with ODIN...
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am not worrying about update am talking about warranty
the data i mentioned is ok
as for stock rom of my country is available on sammobile and i can easily flash it back if that will help i will do it
all that only needed?
Where do u live?
Your knox counter is 0x1.
This mean that you can say goodbye to your warranty, or not. Depending on country where you live.
ceftriaxone said:
Where do u live?
Your knox counter is 0x1.
This mean that you can say goodbye to your warranty, or not. Depending on country where you live.
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i live in egypt
Most likely the warranty is gone, Knox warranty void 0x1 means you have installed unapproved software on your device. Samsung will use this to deny warranty claims...
There is no way, currently , of resetting this. The bounty, last time I checked, was over $3000 US...
ultramag69 said:
Most likely the warranty is gone, Knox warranty void 0x1 means you have installed unapproved software on your device. Samsung will use this to deny warranty claims...
There is no way, currently , of resetting this. The bounty, last time I checked, was over $3000 US...
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i can't understand
you mean there is no way to reset binary for now ???!!!even if i reset cleared cash flashed original stock rom again !
if true i have a question flashing the official 4.4.2 firmware is the cause of the knox or the root ??
when i tried to use triangle it said 2 times
and what u mean with bounty 3000 ?
sinful-slave said:
i can't understand
you mean there is no way to reset binary for now ???!!!even if i reset cleared cash flashed original stock rom again !
if true i have a question flashing the official 4.4.2 firmware is the cause of the knox or the root ??
when i tried to use triangle it said 2 times
and what u mean with bounty 3000 ?
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Knox 0x1 was triggered when you root it. Currently there is no way to reset to 0x0 so here in xda whoever manage to reset it will be rewarded 3000usd
Rosli59564 said:
Knox 0x1 was triggered when you root it. Currently there is no way to reset to 0x0 so here in xda whoever manage to reset it will be rewarded 3000usd
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samsung knows that most ppl do root and flash roms it want to use it as a way to escape responsibility
like the octa core s4 and note 3 and in fact only 4 works
cheaters ! it seems like it done with samsung.
sinful-slave said:
samsung knows that most ppl do root and flash roms it want to use it as a way to escape responsibility
like the octa core s4 and note 3 and in fact only 4 works
cheaters ! it seems like it done with samsung.
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Something like that. Why do you need to return it anyway?
I'm from Egypt and I called the service center to confirm. (Does the warranty voided if I rooted my note 3. The answer was yes)
Sorry for the bad news, also I wang to know, you mentioned that the stock rom for Egypt is available in sammobile and u can fladh it. But its not true as the available version for Egypt is yhe Jelly Be 4.3 and yoy can't downgrade from Kitkat 4.4.2 to Jelly Bean 4.3.
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Mirage20uk said:
I'm from Egypt and I called the service center to confirm. (Does the warranty voided if I rooted my note 3. The answer was yes)
Sorry for the bad news, also I wang to know, you mentioned that the stock rom for Egypt is available in sammobile and u can fladh it. But its not true as the available version for Egypt is yhe Jelly Be 4.3 and yoy can't downgrade from Kitkat 4.4.2 to Jelly Bean 4.3.
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u mean i can't for now flash the 4.3 via odin,and i have to wait till 4.4.2 ?
oki what would happen if i flashed the 4.3 over the 4.4.2 and what is your warranty agent ? mine's union group and i think they don't care about that am just bothered coz i wanted to trade with a 4g version and even if u had serious problem in your mobile here in egypt they might not fix it they will easily say bad use etc like they did in s3 death of motherboard and anyway it depends on the agent
My warranty agent is MTI.
For the other inquiry, yes you can't flash the 4.3 via odin as once you upgraded to Kitkat 4.4.2 you can't go back words as the boatloader has been upgraded as well.
The warranty is useful as you might have a hardware failure and if u did some noise they will fix it for you.
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Apologies for the noob question but I just can't seem to find the answers.
Firstly, I am completely new to this and the magnitude of tutorials and threads all over is just confusing to me. What I want to know is I know rooting/flashing voids the warranty but what happens if say I need to send it back in for repair? How can I wipe every trace off and flash back to a stock ROM? I'm use to jailbreaking on iPhones and a simple restore obviously worked fine but this is obviously different.
Secondly, I read about the flash counter. Is there a way to reset this, un-root and completely stock the phone?
Thirdly, what about official leaked roms? AKA the official 4.4.2 from Samsung. Would this trigger the flash counter etc?
Thanks.
Its the knox warranty void counter you need to worry about.You need to read various topics about bootloaders/knox/triangle away, and kitkat problems.Dont do anything until you spend a week reading....lol
And you can thank me later.
Everything is undo-able except for the KNOX flag. It usually tripped by the installation of custom recovery.
cheers ~
Ah ok thanks for the information guys. I'll have a proper read up first.
I thought that you could revert the Knox flag via triangle away or is that not possible?
It is not possible. Triangle away resets the flash counter
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capzulu said:
It is not possible. Triangle away resets the flash counter
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Ah sorry for my misinterpretation as I thought the Knox counter WAS the flash counter. Is there ever going to be a way to revert it?
Theres a $3k+ bounty waiting for the person that does....
theunderling said:
Theres a $3k+ bounty waiting for the person that does....
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Hopefully someone will do it then. I'm tempted to flash and go to the GPE ROM but I think I'll wait till my Warranty runs out.
Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
Arjoni said:
Hello guys, i have recently bought a Samsung Galaxy S4 I9500. I switched from ios to android and i am loving it so far. I have a couple of questions: I want to root my device. Does this affect the binary counter? Also if i have a problem with my device and i have warranty, will i be able to format my device (un-root)? Also will this affect binary counter? I don't want to loose my 2 years warranty. Thanks!
PS: While i was on IOS i received a lot of support on reddit but when i asked for android stuff, i never got any response. Is this the right forum for a beginner like me?
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1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
AIkizov said:
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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Yes absolutely a problem. I forgot to mention it. If any unofficial stuff is flashed then this knox pox is triggered.
Mandark52 said:
1)Yes rooting will affect your binary counter.
2) Yes you can unroot your device to gain back warranty.
BUT the binary counter is HIDDEN!
So you can just reset the STATUS(which is official for stock n custom for unofficial)
There is an app called Triangle away which resets this counter but it only available for i9505 n not for i9500.
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AIkizov said:
you have one more problem that is Knox In some service centers do not pay attention to it, but in others lose two year warranty on the phone
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So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
Arjoni said:
So does this mean i shouldn't root? I don't want to loose my warranty...
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I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
andyjg247 said:
Where do you live? In the UK, for example, (and I believe the EU as a whole) then it doesn't matter if you trip Knox.
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Mandark52 said:
First have a look on the stickies of Knox discussion. You wont get official software updates if you trip knox(as recovery is custom aftr rooting) n there are knox friendly rooting methods. But I dont really care about knox and after rooting it is upto you that you aint flashing anything wrong or not following the instructions. All the best.
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AIkizov said:
I personally am currently with stock firmware
Twice my phone was in service for Knox experiments that I did
Had twice to change the motherboard, but it was replaced under warranty because I have a version that my phone and just motherboard died and there is nothing to see in the Samsung service centre
Knox is a major obstacle
The choice is yours
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i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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your warranty will void
AIkizov said:
your warranty will void
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so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
Arjoni said:
so samsung doesn't allow you to format your device? well i think i am going back to ios... -_-
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have the ability to format, but the stock rom allows do not have permission to freely manipulate software - Void your warranty
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
Mandark52 said:
As I said previously that you should know what are you flashing and what will happen after it. If you flash anything by not following the correct procedure then you ll pay for it. I rooted my s4 3 months ago and immediately took a backup of my OS through a custom recovery. This backup helps me if something gets wrong. And I really dont care about about Knox because what you lose is only OTA updates and nothing else. So after rooting even you can backup your OS n stay on stock as long you want. Choice is yours. All the best.
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Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
AIkizov said:
Triggered Knox not prevent for receive OTA updates
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As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
Mandark52 said:
As stock recovery of the phone changes there will be no OTA updates for that device it ll say THE DEVICE SETTINGS HAS BEEN CHANGED or something similar to it. And stock recovery is replaced by philz touch or cwm while rooting. And side by side this knox pox is also triggered.
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now just talking about root that does not alter RecoverŅ
Arjoni said:
i want to make it clear that i don't intend to flash a custom ROM. I just want to root my stock firmware (4.4.2) and then to unroot (format with the stock ROM). Will this flag Knox and the counter? will that avoid my warranty? sorry for all of these questions but i just moved on android. thank you
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If your warranty will be void depends strongly on in which country you live. There is no yes or no answer.
Flash anything but an official Samsung package through Odin and it will trigger the Knox flag and change the device status to Custom. OTA updates will stop.
Re flashing an official Samsung package afterwards will change the device back to Official and OTA updates will resume. But the Knox flag will still show as triggered. Theres no way to reset it.
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