Hi !
I made a mistake... I flashed my brand new Note 3 with the latest unbranded firmware from sammobile (N9005XXUDMJ7) with Odin. Flashing was successful and everything works fine. But I made it before I even read something about rooting that phone... Now I know that MJ7 is very hard to root without breaking Knox Is there a possibility to reverse it back to MJ3 ? Or maybe there is a way to root with flag 0x0 ?
If there is no way to do this I must wait until somone much smarter than me find the way...
FPPfan said:
Hi !
I made a mistake... I flashed my brand new Note 3 with the latest unbranded firmware from sammobile (N9005XXUDMJ7) with Odin. Flashing was successful and everything works fine. But I made it before I even read something about rooting that phone... Now I know that MJ7 is very hard to root without breaking Knox Is there a possibility to reverse it back to MJ3 ? Or maybe there is a way to root with flag 0x0 ?
If there is no way to do this I must wait until somone much smarter than me find the way...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2461929
have a look here but read all i think its knox free
Thx for fast reply ! But in post from your link is written that this method will break Knox and will void waranty... (flag to 0x1)... I'am looking/waiting for clear way to root my phone and set CSC code to my country (XEO)... (I live in Poland but bought phone from UK because it was 30% cheaper...)
i have a galaxy s4 i9500 with android 4.2.2 and i read that if i update to 4.3 i will get a security feature called KNOX which tracks your custon kernel flashes and cannot be reset. and also you can't flash back to 4.2.2. is that true?
if it is so:
1.what will happen if you'll try to flash 4.2.2 with odin?
2.what other disadvantages KNOX have?
3.shoiuld i really care about KNOX if my phone's warranty is already void?
4.can KNOX harm my device by any way?
please answer the question by order!
i am thankful for any help i can get in this forum and appriciate everyone who answers my questions beacause i wanna know if i should update or not.
P.S.:if i have 4.2.2 can i install cyanogenmod 11 (unofficial) or i need to update to 4.3 to do that?
Knox doesn't track custom kernel flashes specifically, it detects if you flash anything non-samsung (whether it's cf-autoroot, custom recovery or whatnot). It just says knox 0x0 or 0x1, if it's 0x1 your warranty is void. There is another counter detecting number of flashes, but that can be reset with TriangleAway. Knox cannot be reset. EDiT: TriangleAway only works on i9505, sorry.
1. If you don't have a knox-enabled bootloader you can flash an older rom version. Boot into recovery mode, if you see a knox counter there you cannot flash older firmwares than the one you already have (on i9505 there was one knox-enabled fw before 4.3). If you don't see anything knox related you can flash what you want, but once you flash a knox enabled rom you cannot downgrade to older official samsung roms.
2. Besides not being able to reset the knox counter there isn't really anything special. Atleast none that I have noticed. SuperSU asks if you want do disable knox-features upon first run.
3. No, then it doesn't really matter. Unless you really want to flash an older firmware from samsung.
4. No, it's a samsung feature.
If I were you I'd flash official 4.3 builds anyway, as they're generally much faster and much more stable, atleast for me on i9505. And the improvements outweigh the downsides of knox. 4.3 feature list: http://www.sammobile.com/2013/10/18...al-android-4-3-update-for-galaxy-s4-gt-i9500/
If some one can help me with my troubles it will be greatly appreciated, I recently purchased a SG Note 3 Brand new sealed and brought it to a store to unlock and the person tried and said this phone was new and was not able to be software unlocked unless by code which was more expensive so i declined.While waiting in the mean time i started reading xda forums for info on rooting my note 3,Where i discovered Canadian SM-900W8's weren't locked to a specific carrier.I proceeded to get my phone rooted and then discovered my phones knox was tripped and shows i have an custom software on it,other then bringing it to the store i haven't done anything else to my phone.
So my questions:
1.Should i do an EFS back up then Restore to official then re-root? while reading forums read somewhere sometimes restoring to official can also damage the EFS partition?
2.Should i proceed rooting my phone in the state its in or do i restore with official Firmware then proceed to root?
3.Is update 4.4.2 able to be rooted if yes,should i restore my phone straight to 4.4.2 then root?
4.if i update to 4.4.2 do i loose the ability to switch between Canadian carriers.
5.Is Knox 0X1 able to be reset for Qaulcomm yet?
6.Am i missing anything else before i begin ?
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (Model:SM-900W8 / Rogers)
Android Version:4.3
Baseband version:N900W8VLUBMJ4
Build number :JSS15J.N900W8VLUBMJ4
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Current Binary:Custom
System Status :Custom
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Knox Kernel Lock:0X0
Knox Warranty Void:0X1
D_01 said:
If some one can help me with my troubles it will be greatly appreciated, I recently purchased a SG Note 3 Brand new sealed and brought it to a store to unlock and the person tried and said this phone was new and was not able to be software unlocked unless by code which was more expensive so i declined.While waiting in the mean time i started reading xda forums for info on rooting my note 3,Where i discovered Canadian SM-900W8's weren't locked to a specific carrier.I proceeded to get my phone rooted and then discovered my phones knox was tripped and shows i have an custom software on it,other then bringing it to the store i haven't done anything else to my phone.
So my questions:
1.Should i do an EFS back up then Restore to official then re-root? while reading forums read somewhere sometimes restoring to official can also damage the EFS partition?
2.Should i proceed rooting my phone in the state its in or do i restore with official Firmware then proceed to root?
3.Is update 4.4.2 able to be rooted if yes,should i restore my phone straight to 4.4.2 then root?
4.if i update to 4.4.2 do i loose the ability to switch between Canadian carriers.
5.Is Knox 0X1 able to be reset for Qaulcomm yet?
6.Am i missing anything else before i begin ?
Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (Model:SM-900W8 / Rogers)
Android Version:4.3
Baseband version:N900W8VLUBMJ4
Build number :JSS15J.N900W8VLUBMJ4
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Current Binary:Custom
System Status :Custom
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Knox Kernel Lock:0X0
Knox Warranty Void:0X1
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1. You don't need to restore something that's not broken.
2. Since you already tripped KNOX, yes.
3. 4.4.2 can be rooted.
4. 4.4.2 doesn't prevent you from doing anything related to carriers when compared to 4.3.
5. No
6. Flash stock using Odin by updating to 4.4.2 official Sammy NB7 ROM. Then begin there.
nicholaschum said:
1. You don't need to restore something that's not broken.
2. Since you already tripped KNOX, yes.
3. 4.4.2 can be rooted.
4. 4.4.2 doesn't prevent you from doing anything related to carriers when compared to 4.3.
5. No
6. Flash stock using Odin by updating to 4.4.2 official Sammy NB7 ROM. Then begin there.
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will I be able to downgrade back to 4.3 if ever i decide 4.4.2 is not for me ?
D_01 said:
will I be able to downgrade back to 4.3 if ever i decide 4.4.2 is not for me ?
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Follow my guide in my signature. If you update to NA2 bootloader, you are able to downgrade.
Hello
I recently got my S4 i9505. I'm planning to root it
I have Android version 4.3
I used to flash costum roms on my s2 but I'm not really planning to do much flashing on my S4. not soon anyway
So as I connected the phone to Kies to make sure the drivers were downloaded so I can proceed with rooting
Firmware update popped up
I'm not sure what the best option for me now.
Should I root now and then I'd be able to flash a costume KK rom? and are there any stable ones that are better than the stock?
Can I use kies to update my rooted phone?
Maybe I should stick with JB 4.3? Which one is better 4.3 or 4.4.2?
I remember facing some issues when I update my s2 back. So I searched for the KK Update for the s4 and some people weren't so happy with their KK update
I know that doesn't represent the majority but still it could happen to me
So I confused myself
What is your advice to me?
sorry for the long post
Also I have an extra question What is KNOX? and do I need it?
egy_b0y said:
Hello
I recently got my S4 i9505. I'm planning to root it
I have Android version 4.3
I used to flash costum roms on my s2 but I'm not really planning to do much flashing on my S4. not soon anyway
So as I connected the phone to Kies to make sure the drivers were downloaded so I can proceed with rooting
Firmware update popped up
I'm not sure what the best option for me now.
Should I root now and then I'd be able to flash a costume KK rom? and are there any stable ones that are better than the stock?
Can I use kies to update my rooted phone?
Maybe I should stick with JB 4.3? Which one is better 4.3 or 4.4.2?
I remember facing some issues when I update my s2 back. So I searched for the KK Update for the s4 and some people weren't so happy with their KK update
I know that doesn't represent the majority but still it could happen to me
So I confused myself
What is your advice to me?
sorry for the long post
Also I have an extra question What is KNOX? and do I need it?
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First, the most problems in 4.4.2 are fixed, so if you flash the officical, latest firmware of your country you shouldn't have any problem.
An important thing: if you flash a custom rom, your warranty will be set 0x1, that means, you lost your garanty if you flash a custom rom, that's the so called KNOX. You can use knox like a second system on your phone, with all secure data in it, you can only access with a passwort and all datas are locked without this passwort.
Root your phone after the software update if you want to root it.
Tkkg1994 said:
First, the most problems in 4.4.2 are fixed, so if you flash the officical, latest firmware of your country you shouldn't have any problem.
An important thing: if you flash a custom rom, your warranty will be set 0x1, that means, you lost your garanty if you flash a custom rom, that's the so called KNOX. You can use knox like a second system on your phone, with all secure data in it, you can only access with a passwort and all datas are locked without this passwort.
Root your phone after the software update if you want to root it.
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the fact is that 4.4.2 GNG8 international version cannot be rooted....
christty31 said:
the fact is that 4.4.2 GNG8 international version cannot be rooted....
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That's wrong, just not with towelroot.
thank you for your input
Hello,
I want to flash cyanogenmod or any other custom rom on my Galaxy s4. (1 year old)
I'm too scared to trip my knox and void my warranty if it ever breaks.
Is there any way to install a custom rom without tripping it?
Thanks!
No way to install AOSP rom without tripping knox. However, you can install custom touchwiz rom without tripping knox.
we are in the same boat. My warranty has only three months remaining. I will only trip knox if ktoonsez kernel come for official TW lollipop.
ha966 said:
Hello,
I want to flash cyanogenmod or any other custom rom on my Galaxy s4. (1 year old)
I'm too scared to trip my knox and void my warranty if it ever breaks.
Is there any way to install a custom rom without tripping it?
Thanks!
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I tripped knox 2 months after purchase.
Chances are low that a brand new device malfunctions. Even so, there are reported cases where people who tripped knox said that they were still able to send the device to be serviced in warranty conditions.
I'm going to try it, I will let you guys know if it worked.
Flashed cyanogenmod, works like a charm.
I have 0x1 but that seems that i still have warranty.
ha966 said:
Flashed cyanogenmod, works like a charm.
I have 0x1 but that seems that i still have warranty.
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Your warranty is void.
ha966 said:
Hello,
I want to flash cyanogenmod or any other custom rom on my Galaxy s4. (1 year old)
I'm too scared to trip my knox and void my warranty if it ever breaks.
Is there any way to install a custom rom without tripping it?
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You cannot flash cyanogenmod (or other AOSP roms), but you can flash other Samsung-based custom roms without tripping knox.
The method is quite complex though. Generally you have to downgrade your kernel, root with towelroot, use Mobile Odin Pro to flash a new rom preserving root, update bootloader to have wifi.
The risk of mistakes is quite high.
But if you want to have a deeper look, jump here
As you will see the first step is rooting without tripping knox, which is already a challenge.
Once you achieve that, you will find that root gives you already enough mod opportunities, so you may not feel the need to flash custom roms.
khsh97 said:
Your warranty is void.
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Incorrect. He lives in the Netherlands. Tripping knox never voids your warranty in the Netherlands. Samsung made an official statement about it.
It depends entirely in which country you live. In the EU for example, tripping Knox can never void your consumer rights.
Lennyz1988 said:
Incorrect. He lives in the Netherlands. Tripping knox never voids your warranty in the Netherlands. Samsung made an official statement about it.
It depends entirely in which country you live. In the EU for example, tripping Knox can never void your consumer rights.
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That is awesome. But as far as I know Samsung are not the ones who will handle the warranty, but the store from where you bought it the phone.
I bought mine from DOMO (an electronics store here in my country), which means that they will handle the warranty, not Samsung.
Either way, warranty is void once you temper with the software (rooting and changing roms), it is even stated in the "Warranty will be void if" clause. Unless you change back to stock before sending it in.
GDReaper said:
That is awesome. But as far as I know Samsung are not the ones who will handle the warranty, but the store from where you bought it the phone.
I bought mine from DOMO (an electronics store here in my country), which means that they will handle the warranty, not Samsung.
Either way, warranty is void once you temper with the software (rooting and changing roms), it is even stated in the "Warranty will be void if" clause. Unless you change back to stock before sending it in.
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Samsung gives warranty to their product. They do that freely. But that's completely separate from your consumer rights.
The store where you bought it from has a legal obligation to fix the phone within a certain period of time. You can even pull the device apart, put it back together and you still have your rights. As longs as the fault is not caused by you. I'm talking about countries within the EU. The warranty void message has absolutely zero consequences.
Compare it with a pc. You can reinstall Windows, install a different Windows version, install Linux and when your motherboard breaks down, it will never void your warranty because you installed different software.
So you basically have two options. You can send it directly to Samsung or send it to the store you bought it from.
In the Netherlands Samsung made an announcement that tripping Knox, flashing your phone will NEVER void your warranty. Even if you manage to brick it, they will fix it free of charge.
Hello,
I am new to samsung and knox and really I am lost with so much information specially because I have a original version.
I have a i9505 without any upgrade, so I still have the Apr 12 kernel with I understand doesn't have knox.
Can I install any custom rom?
Can I then revert back to stock? And to stock without knox?
If I install custom roms in the forum they will upgrade my kernel and knox will be installed?
What is the best approach to continue knox free?
Thanks
Custom roms or GPE roms are your best bet if you want knox free roms.
Better upgrade to the latest software and root, then install a custom rom.
If you want stock without knox, you can install a knox-free (knox has been removed by the dev) touchwiz rom.
Thanks for replying.
If I upgrade the software first it will also upgrade the kernel to a version with knox with I will not be able to remove again. Isn't correct?
If I install a custom rom will it also upgrade my kernel to a version with knox?
filtragem said:
Thanks for replying.
If I upgrade the software first it will also upgrade the kernel to a version with knox with I will not be able to remove again. Isn't correct?
If I install a custom rom will it also upgrade my kernel to a version with knox?
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1) Yes.
2) Kernel has nothing to do with knox. Knox is in the bootloader and the rom. Custom roms do not upgrade your bootloader.
So what is the advantage of upgrading first?
Isn't best to install a custom rom as is without having knox even close to my phone?
My previous question about returning to stock was if I need to send my phone for repair (I am still on warranty) can I be stock again but remain knox free, after installing a custom rom?
Thanks and sorry for probably so basic questions
Please read this thread and gain knowledge from Chainfire (developer of CF-Auto-root, SuperSU). Many of the questions asked have answer there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45666586
AFAIK from reading the referenced thread only Knox-apps and libs are removed. That isn't truly Knox-free when bootloader is still holding the Knox features.
Even Chainfire hasn't been able to remove Knox.
Please give example what custom ROM is truly Knox free.
Lennyz1988 said:
Incorrect. He lives in the Netherlands. Tripping knox never voids your warranty in the Netherlands. Samsung made an official statement about it.
It depends entirely in which country you live. In the EU for example, tripping Knox can never void your consumer rights.
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what about Asian countries?
O-T said:
Please read this thread and gain knowledge from Chainfire (developer of CF-Auto-root, SuperSU). Many of the questions asked have answer there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45666586
AFAIK from reading the referenced thread only Knox-apps and libs are removed. That isn't truly Knox-free when bootloader is still holding the Knox features.
Even Chainfire hasn't been able to remove Knox.
Please give example what custom ROM is truly Knox free.
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Thanks, I will read it.
I don't know if any custom rom is knox free.
I am still knox free because I have an old bootloader, and didn't install any update.
It's possible to install a new rom without updating the bootloader?
If I install a CM rom will it install a bootloader with knox? If not, can I later reinstall a samsung rom with a bootloader without knox?
filtragem said:
Thanks, I will read it.
I don't know if any custom rom is knox free.
I am still knox free because I have an old bootloader, and didn't install any update.
It's possible to install a new rom without updating the bootloader?
If I install a CM rom will it install a bootloader with knox? If not, can I later reinstall a samsung rom with a bootloader without knox?
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Any version CM/AOSP rom don't include bootloader or modem/non-hlos firmware as @GDReaper reply 2). Most Deodexed TouchWiz (TW-based) usually neither. Mind there can be exceptions for TW-based roms.
CWM or TWRP recovery isn't the same as bootloader hence it don't trip Knox.
I had previously CWM 6051, changed to TWRP 2840 and CM11. Updated to complete Samsung stock 501 lollipop directly from that state using PC Odin 3.07. Recovery back to stock and unrooted in one single Odin flash with preserved state Knox 0x0. Phone is GT-I9295 hardware 95% identical to GT-I9505 (some buttons +screen/camera difference).
Downgrade to Samsung TouchWiz rom with Knox-free bootloader =< MH1 when bootloader is newer (N** =kitkat or O** =lolipop) will trip Knox. Because Knox featured bootloader can't be downgraded without trip 0x1.
Updating to any Samsung TouchWiz rom with bootloader don't trip Knox.
Find version:
ADB or Terminal command: getprop ro.bootloader
It's common to press XDA Thanks Button sometimes.