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[Q] Is it worth rooting the Galaxy Note 3?

Ok so I live in Canada, and I plan on buying an unlocked Galaxy Note 3 from Rogers in December. I currently have a Galaxy S3 and it is rooted no triangle on boot or anything like that, so I am happy with my GS3 for now. Is it worth rooting the Note 3 when I get it? Will a giant orange triangle appear everytime I reboot the device? I plan on waiting about a month before I root it, if I do root it. I am not to worried about my warranty as I have never had to use a warranty on a phone before.

You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.

Rosli59564 said:
You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.
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AdFree is a must for me on any phone I own, I was more worried about having a giant orange triangle on the Samsung splash screen like other devices. Or knox doing something to the phone after I rooted it.

rooting has been worthwhile for me
Titanium Backup is awesome in getting rid of the bloatware
Greenify is great in making sure apps do not stay awake
Xposed Framework is awesome in installing modules that add much functionality
-Instagram Photo Download
-Wanam Xposed
-Xposed Additions (Longpress Back to Open Recent Apps, etc)

Cheating in games with game killer can't be done without root.
And since I spent $5 of real money, and you can't transfer the credits over to my new phone, I'm going to cheat.
So if you feel like I do, and feel cheated, cheat yourself the money with game killer and get root.
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Rosli59564 said:
You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.
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This. I rooted and xposed my note to change the colour scheme but even if you like Everyrhing about touchwiz, it is worth it to be able to use any app in multiwindow.

Rooting
Iam just scared about the flash counter

Not rooted as I can get the look and feel using nova or apex. Rooted my SGN2 but missed some of the special samsung stuff.
May change when there is a stable 4.4 if samsung take their time. Just my 2c
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I thought there is a root method without tripping the Knox counter >> "de la Vega" and kingo. right?
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Dont use kingo its a spy app
YES IT IS WORTH
Remove bloat
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Killberty said:
Dont use kingo its a spy app...
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Don't believe everything you read. It's amazing how speculation and rumors turn into "fact" in this forum...especially if it's negative.
I recommend that people do their own, in depth research and them make an educated decision.

if u r not worried about warranty
if u r not worried about warranty it is always better to root cos you get so much more options to play around with which you wouldnt have otherwise

Depends what you want to do, Do you need root? - Do you need to remove apps? - Like choosing something, it's all personal preference... If you need root then root your phone, If you can live without it and don't need it. Then don't.

I still haven't rooted mine.

rooted mine from day 1 too. Mostly for my sixaxis app, controller support for my games
OT: plus i think it is worth it; with root you can get another, better and more optimized, rom.

I still believe if you have to ask you don't need it....

ultramag69 said:
I still believe if you have to ask you don't need it....
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Agreed. I have always rooted my devices but take my time to read with each new device since they're all a bit different. I'm curious if I root with the knox free setting if I can revert fully to stock or only fake non custom status. What's the best method to use for Canadian variant of note 3?

adampollack said:
Agreed. I have always rooted my devices but take my time to read with each new device since they're all a bit different. I'm curious if I root with the knox free setting if I can revert fully to stock or only fake non custom status. What's the best method to use for Canadian variant of note 3?
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Have reverted back to fully official once stock rom was flashed. Only modified status when rooted as you can't run the fake "official" status as wanam needs root priveleges...

ultramag69 said:
Have reverted back to fully official once stock rom was flashed. Only modified status when rooted as you can't run the fake "official" status as wanam needs root priveleges...
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:good:
Just to confirm, I can use Root de la Vega and enjoy all the benefits of rooting without tripping KNOX, but can still reflash (via odin?) the stock rom and be back to factory/warranty settings with STOCK STATUS? That's all I'm interested in at this point, no custom roms or recoveries.
Thanks again for your help! I am just extra cautious :fingers-crossed:

adampollack said:
:good:
Just to confirm, I can use Root de la Vega and enjoy all the benefits of rooting without tripping KNOX, but can still reflash (via odin?) the stock rom and be back to factory/warranty settings with STOCK STATUS? That's all I'm interested in at this point, no custom roms or recoveries.
Thanks again for your help! I am just extra cautious :fingers-crossed:
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yes you just have to unroot using the supersu itself, then flash your stock rom with odin, factory reset. everything will be stock new. even status will revert from custom to official.

[Q] Just bought an S4 and did the 4.3 OTA and have Knox, should I return the phone?

Hi everyone, I have about 7 days left on my "14 day return policy" from the Sprint store. I love XDA and it's been a HUGE help to me in the last few years. I like the phone, it's pretty snappy, and the camera is great. But I can't use a phone without root (who can??) and eventually Samsung will stop pushing updates to this phone so I'm going to need to flash custom ROMs (cyanogenmod did wonders on my last phone, the Galaxy S1). I also know that I can't mount SMB or CFS shares without flashing a kernel that supports it and I'm not sure if the S4's official firmware supports the ability to do so (which I believe requires root anyway, so I guess I answered my own question.
I have a couple of questions about the S4 that I'm hoping someone who has experience can tell me about this.
1) Can I root using VRoot and NOT trip the Knox warranty bit?
2) After rooting, can I install a recovery (I've read that Philz CWM recovery works but can't find definitive answers on this).
3) Should I even care about the Knox software?
I don't need to use the phone in an enterprise environment, but I also don't want the phone's bootloader locked to Samsung firmwares if it means I won't be able to install custom FW's or kernels.
Should I return the phone? I'll pay the $35 restocking fee just to save myself from having to deal with Samsung's (and this my opinion) bonehead move of abandoning its developer userbase.
Any and all responses would be appreciated. Thanks for reading and helping!

epi4gtn said:
Hi everyone, I have about 7 days left on my "14 day return policy" from the Sprint store. I love XDA and it's been a HUGE help to me in the last few years. I like the phone, it's pretty snappy, and the camera is great. But I can't use a phone without root (who can??) and eventually Samsung will stop pushing updates to this phone so I'm going to need to flash custom ROMs (cyanogenmod did wonders on my last phone, the Galaxy S1). I also know that I can't mount SMB or CFS shares without flashing a kernel that supports it and I'm not sure if the S4's official firmware supports the ability to do so (which I believe requires root anyway, so I guess I answered my own question.
I have a couple of questions about the S4 that I'm hoping someone who has experience can tell me about this.
1) Can I root using VRoot and NOT trip the Knox warranty bit?
2) After rooting, can I install a recovery (I've read that Philz CWM recovery works but can't find definitive answers on this).
3) Should I even care about the Knox software?
I don't need to use the phone in an enterprise environment, but I also don't want the phone's bootloader locked to Samsung firmwares if it means I won't be able to install custom FW's or kernels.
Should I return the phone? I'll pay the $35 restocking fee just to save myself from having to deal with Samsung's (and this my opinion) bonehead move of abandoning its developer userbase.
Any and all responses would be appreciated. Thanks for reading and helping!
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I am not worried about the Knox bit. Mine is tripped and it's not preventing anything, AFAIK. I can still install Sammy firmwares, ROM's that are at the correct version/level, mods, apps, etc. It seems it's really only a flag for enterprise users. I agree it kind of sucks, and I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't seem to be causing any real harm at this point warranty or service wise. Some say it may prevent Samsung from honoring the warranty, but I'm not sure that's true, based on reading the forums.
As far as Samsung stopping pushing firmwares to this phone, that should be a long way off since this is their flagship smartphone at this point. It's a great phone and I've been very happy with mine, which I got the weekend they were released. Rooted, stock rom, hotspot mod. So much better phone than my old HTC Androids!

jejb said:
I am not worried about the Knox bit. Mine is tripped and it's not preventing anything, AFAIK. I can still install Sammy firmwares, ROM's that are at the correct version/level, mods, apps, etc. It seems it's really only a flag for enterprise users. I agree it kind of sucks, and I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't seem to be causing any real harm at this point warranty or service wise. Some say it may prevent Samsung from honoring the warranty, but I'm not sure that's true, based on reading the forums.
As far as Samsung stopping pushing firmwares to this phone, that should be a long way off since this is their flagship smartphone at this point. It's a great phone and I've been very happy with mine, which I got the weekend they were released. Rooted, stock rom, hotspot mod. So much better phone than my old HTC Androids!
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This is just a thought... but... check your phone, when I got mine not too long back it still came with 4.2 on it. If yours still has 4.2 you wouldn't have to worry about knox as long as you didn't take the OTA. You could root it and rom it all you wanted.

Yes you should return the phone. That way you **** all the people who return their phones for legitimate warranty/insurance reasons with higher costs.
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frostedunit said:
Yes you should return the phone. That way you **** all the people who return their phones for legitimate warranty/insurance reasons with higher costs.
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I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
jejb said:
I am not worried about the Knox bit. Mine is tripped and it's not preventing anything, AFAIK. I can still install Sammy firmwares, ROM's that are at the correct version/level, mods, apps, etc. It seems it's really only a flag for enterprise users. I agree it kind of sucks, and I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't seem to be causing any real harm at this point warranty or service wise. Some say it may prevent Samsung from honoring the warranty, but I'm not sure that's true, based on reading the forums.
As far as Samsung stopping pushing firmwares to this phone, that should be a long way off since this is their flagship smartphone at this point. It's a great phone and I've been very happy with mine, which I got the weekend they were released. Rooted, stock rom, hotspot mod. So much better phone than my old HTC Androids!
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This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys!

epi4gtn said:
I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys![/QUOTE
I used an app from thePlayStore called Triangle Away to reset the counter. You have to be rooted, but it works perfectly. Just an FYI.
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epi4gtn said:
I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys!
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Dont use vroot. Until some dev can pin point what the chinese root method actually does. And if your on 4.2.2 your ok but once ota to 4.3 then you have knox bootloader meaning you cant downgrade firmwares. It wont stop you from changing kernels and roms. Knox flag just voids your warranty with samsung but if you have insurance with sprint they can care less about it tripped. I updated to 4.3 and tripped the knox amd I havent seen no problems really. Btw please make research this has been talked about lately too much.
SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
epi4gtn said:
I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys![/QUOTE
I used an app from thePlayStore called Triangle Away to reset the counter. You have to be rooted, but it works perfectly. Just an FYI.
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That only works if your on 4.2. It wont reset the knox bootloader counter.
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epi4gtn said:
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys!
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Yes, my Knox bit it tripped/set. It is 0x1 on the download screen. Can't view it in recovery. I just used CF Auto Root after going to 4.3. Should be easy to search and find that thread. I'm on the stock rom with tweaks.
Using TWRP recovery, but I've tried several, including Philz and OUDHS. It seems Philz is the flavor of the month, so you might want to go with that just to be safe.
I did not root before taking the OTA. I don't think I'd try it that way. I was rooted, but went back to stock to take the update. If you get back to stock, reset the custom bits on your download screen (triangle away and RTN's seem to do that, but might have to do more than one), recover your apps/data and then take the OTA, it should be the most sure fire method. Then root, custom recovery, nandroid backup and play from there.

jejb said:
Yes, my Knox bit it tripped/set. It is 0x1 on the download screen. Can't view it in recovery. I just used CF Auto Root after going to 4.3. Should be easy to search and find that thread. I'm on the stock rom with tweaks.
Using TWRP recovery, but I've tried several, including Philz and OUDHS. It seems Philz is the flavor of the month, so you might want to go with that just to be safe.
I did not root before taking the OTA. I don't think I'd try it that way. I was rooted, but went back to stock to take the update. If you get back to stock, reset the custom bits on your download screen (triangle away and RTN's seem to do that, but might have to do more than one), recover your apps/data and then take the OTA, it should be the most sure fire method. Then root, custom recovery, nandroid backup and play from there.
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Thank you, I plan to just use CF-Auto-Root to root the phone. I'm starting to care less about the Knox bit getting tripped.
I came across this post by rawintellect that seems to have everything I'd need out of the phone, rooted/deodexed MK2 with all the bloat removed, BUT it says in the description that the Knox Bootloader is removed *EDIT: After thinking about the statement some more, I think he means the Knox bootloader is NOT included in the rom, but this raises another question, can I install it on a phone WITH the knox bootloader?), so I'm afraid of attempting to flash it because as I understand it, it's impossible to replace the knox bootloader.
Here's the post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48516106
This individual seems to have gotten everything working: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48516106&postcount=88
Do you know if anyone is able to flash Philz through Odin successfully on the MJA/knox bootloader?

I took mine back after I took the OTA. I was honest about why I was returning it, that the firmware introduces restrictions and annoying features (I cited the multiple WiFi security warnings in particular) I was not willing to accept, and the independent store I was dealing with gave me an exchange to a new phone with 4.2. I first asked if they could downgrade the phone to 4.2, including the bootloader, they researched that option, finding it impossible.
If they had not given me the exchange, I would have picked a different color and done it that way.

Try this Guide
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To root or not to root the s5?

Hey guys I'm pondering whether or not to root my s5 and I have yet to find THE reason. I'd appreciate it if you took a second to write down if you rooted or not. The pros and cons pertaining the the s5. So far there's only a handfull of roms available, a far cry from the previous, galaxy s forums.
IMO Xposed framework would be the only valid reason but then again is it worth tripping the knox counter and voiding our warranty?
What do you think?

I'm curious to know this also, unless some way is ever discovered to root without tripping Knox, or somehow reset Knox.
The one thing I'd love to do is enable more apps in multi-window. Does anyone know an easy way to do that without root?
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Hi,
I had my device rooted a couple days ago and I could'n be happier. I flashed a custom light ROM and IO have an amazing battery life now. I could last up to 24 hours with 7 hours screen on.
On more thing, you could experience more Android OS when you have your device rooted.
So what is the reason for not rooting your device?

Void warranty, that's really all.
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I'm still unsure if knox is tripped on rooting or if it's when a kernel/rom is flashed. I'd be happy to run a rooted stock rom for adblock and a few other apps that need root.
Very hesitant to lose the warranty on this even though I've beta tested and flashed hundreds of times in the past with other phones and never really worried about warranty as they were pretty much all used handsets.
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Prof Peach said:
I'm still unsure if knox is tripped on rooting or if it's when a kernel/rom is flashed. I'd be happy to run a rooted stock rom for adblock and a few other apps that need root.
Very hesitant to lose the warranty on this even though I've beta tested and flashed hundreds of times in the past with other phones and never really worried about warranty as they were pretty much all used handsets.
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You know that's a good question because I remember being asked a question when I rooted my first s5 about knox. Maybe someone else could answer that one.
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mrnovanova said:
You know that's a good question because I remember being asked a question when I rooted my first s5 about knox. Maybe someone else could answer that one.
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The best way to root, is to remove knox completely if possible, its a stupid POS spyware app, that eats battery and has no purpose for the end user on the Galaxy S5. There is an app called Triangle away or something of the similar sort that can "trick" the phone into appearing that it has not been tampered with if you need to do a warranty.
I am not sure about your specific model, but if the bootloader is unlocked, why dont you flash AllianceROM, or one of the others which by default has knox removed, and root.

solrazr said:
The best way to root, is to remove knox completely if possible, its a stupid POS spyware app, that eats battery and has no purpose for the end user on the Galaxy S5. There is an app called Triangle away or something of the similar sort that can "trick" the phone into appearing that it has not been tampered with if you need to do a warranty.
I am not sure about your specific model, but if the bootloader is unlocked, why dont you flash AllianceROM, or one of the others which by default has knox removed, and root.
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Yeah, good point. Triangle away doesn't reset the knox counter not yet anyway. The thing is I have nothing against knox I appreciate the extra level of security I like the private mode and I like the fact that I can stop the phone from being rooted or reset should it fall into the wrong hands. That's a plus in my book. Furthermore none of the ROMs out that this moment make me wanna root I find that samsung has come a long way since my s2 customization wise. The phone is awesome out of the box IMHO.
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mrnovanova said:
Hey guys I'm pondering whether or not to root my s5 and I have yet to find THE reason. I'd appreciate it if you took a second to write down if you rooted or not. The pros and cons pertaining the the s5. So far there's only a handfull of roms available, a far cry from the previous, galaxy s forums.
IMO Xposed framework would be the only valid reason but then again is it worth tripping the knox counter and voiding our warranty?
What do you think?
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Hi! Some other opinions can be found in his thread (also my answer): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2724257
Cheers!
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zeldavn said:
Hi,
I had my device rooted a couple days ago and I could'n be happier. I flashed a custom light ROM and IO have an amazing battery life now. I could last up to 24 hours with 7 hours screen on.
On more thing, you could experience more Android OS when you have your device rooted.
So what is the reason for not rooting your device?
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Rooting the device might prevent some native apps from functioning such as allshare, screen cast etc...

Root is so good! believe me.:laugh:

hfs1314 said:
Root is so good! believe me.:laugh:
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Lol. I know. I'm actually convinced now. Screw the warranty LOL...:silly:

As long as you know what you're doing and you're voiding the phone's 1 year waranty with it. Think before you do it because it could never be undone (KNOX 0x1).
I'm leaving my S5 unrooted.

Root! No root, no fun!
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I think as of right now there is no good reason to root the S5....none of the current ROMs are worth breaking the warranty for and we aren't lagging behind the android OS versions that we want urgently catch up to. My advice would be to wait until more advanced rooting methods come around that bypass the knox tripping or until CM, AOKP, AOSP etc ROMS start rolling out or if we get a couple of Android OS versions behind, whichever comes first

mrnovanova said:
Hey guys I'm pondering whether or not to root my s5 and I have yet to find THE reason. I'd appreciate it if you took a second to write down if you rooted or not. The pros and cons pertaining the the s5. So far there's only a handfull of roms available, a far cry from the previous, galaxy s forums.
IMO Xposed framework would be the only valid reason but then again is it worth tripping the knox counter and voiding our warranty?
What do you think?
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today i ended up rooting because i was going criminally insane not having root, but i ran into a problem where the play store got deleted so i had to go a bit further and flash a new rom. ive had root on every android i have had besides the htc my touch. the features you get with root are so wonderful apps like adaway (most useful app in the history of apps), xposed installer, root browser, and many more that i cant think of yet are so useful that i couldnt live without them any longer. plus you can flash different roms if you love the s5 but hate touchwiz there is a rom for that. you have cm11 aokp crdroid paranoid and aosp to give you a stock experience. true at the moment you can not reset knox and if that is an issue for you then dont root. or.... dunk your phone in water without the cover on lol just kidding i do not recommend doing that. the choice is yours though i know others and i love having root and cant live without it. but there are just as many people who love root but dont want to trip knox. for me i ended up rooting because i found out my carrier does not check if the device is modified or not when you trade in so i just said screw it.take all counts into consideration is root something you need or do you not need some of the features you get with root. simple question is are you a hardcore user or basic user?

IMO, if not rooted, ROMed etc, why come to XDA Developers website, you know what I mean?
I do it first day on all devices, have'nt bricked one yet :silly: not!
I love to tweak the hell out of the device, rid it of bloat, block adds, not to mention the advantages of more regular updates and fixes.
Also if using custom ROM you're getting a ROM that has had many man/team hours spent on it rather than a ROM developed for a commercial mass production, theres a comment above that states "no ROM is worthy of flashing on S5 yet" well I'd like to ask you, how the hell do you know if you have'nt flashed anything yet?

I root my S5 first day and I didn't face any problem with Knox Can someone explain to me why Knox is problem ?
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Mohannad-K said:
I root my S5 first day and I didn't face any problem with Knox Can someone explain to me why Knox is problem ?
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Triggering knox will void your warranty without possibility to undo it.
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There are also certain features that may not function after tripping Knox. Additionally most companies won't let you BYOD after Knox trips. Unless they "forget" to check
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[Q] GT-I9505, rooting and custom roms

I know this is probably been asked 100 times already, but while I've found a lot of comprehensive guides about rooting the Nexus 7 I can't find the same thing for the S4. I'm going to buy one soon, and since I'm in italy it should be the GT-I9505 version.
I want to root the telephone, install a custom rom (I don't know which one, I'll have to check later) and be able to revert to the stock settings/rom so that I can avoid to void the warranty. Every guide I checked used a different software, or was specifically about the AT&T or Verizon model, or just didn't include how to do all the things aforementioned, so please, someone link me the best guides on rooting the S4 and being able to revert the telephone to stock settings (I imagine installing custom roms has specific guides for every rom, so no need for that).
Really, really thanks to anyone who answers.

Hi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2419762

AnaMajhol said:
Hi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2419762
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Thanks but I read the FAQ already, that's partially why I felt stupid opening this thread, not even the noob-friendly FAQ answered everything.
So, I use chainfire auto-root to root the device, and then with Odin I can eventually unroot it in case I need the warranty?

Soory for the double post, but I need new answers about this topic.
I'll use CF auto root to root the device, but this trips the knox flag and nullifies warranty. How do I avoid that? I heard of a Triangle awayy app which resets the Triangle Counter or something like that and I don't think it's the same thing. How do I root while keeping my warranty?
Also, how is the app which reverts the device custom rom to the stock rom called? I always hear different names, it's a bootloader, or recovery mode or now another thing all together, I just need to eventually revert the custom rom to the original rom in order to avoid breaking the warranty if possible.
Last question, feel free to disregard this one because I can search it somewhere else: if I use a custom rom, how do I keep up to date with the official Android builds/functions? Ie, 4.5 comes out and I have Cyanogen, do I have to wait for a new Cyanogen update which brings the Android 4.5 features or am I missing the point entirely?
Again, thanks.

cloudropis said:
Soory for the double post, but I need new answers about this topic.
I'll use CF auto root to root the device, but this trips the knox flag and nullifies warranty. How do I avoid that? I heard of a Triangle awayy app which resets the Triangle Counter or something like that and I don't think it's the same thing. How do I root while keeping my warranty?
Also, how is the app which reverts the device custom rom to the stock rom called? I always hear different names, it's a bootloader, or recovery mode or now another thing all together, I just need to eventually revert the custom rom to the original rom in order to avoid breaking the warranty if possible.
Last question, feel free to disregard this one because I can search it somewhere else: if I use a custom rom, how do I keep up to date with the official Android builds/functions? Ie, 4.5 comes out and I have Cyanogen, do I have to wait for a new Cyanogen update which brings the Android 4.5 features or am I missing the point entirely?
Again, thanks.
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You don't avoid tripping the knox flag. And you can't reset it. If your phone has Knox and you want to root it, you have to trip the knox flag. Period.
Here is everything you could possibly ever want to know about Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470635
And yes, you have to keep updating the custom roms to get the latest features. Odds are VERY strong that the custom roms will have the updates before the carrier based ROMs OTA's come out.

Skipjacks said:
You don't avoid tripping the knox flag. And you can't reset it. If your phone has Knox and you want to root it, you have to trip the knox flag. Period.
Here is everything you could possibly ever want to know about Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470635
And yes, you have to keep updating the custom roms to get the latest features. Odds are VERY strong that the custom roms will have the updates before the carrier based ROMs OTA's come out.
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Got it. So a lot of people still root their phones even if it voids their warranty huh? I guess that the benefits must be greater then the cons (for one, being able to use my Dualshock 3 without cables is way enough, maybe the eventual repair centre won't notice, or maybe I'll just keep a freaking eye on my phone).
Again, I couldn't find an answer in the Rooting thread's first post, so to be safe rather than sorry I'll ask here: The device update is ready, it upgrades Android to 4.4.2 (currently 4.3, but if I got it right the KB shouldn't give me problems because I am not changing rom), does CF autoroot work anyway? Knox flag or not? I dropped the idea of using a custom rom, so I just need to know if I can still root it with CF.

cloudropis said:
Got it. So a lot of people still root their phones even if it voids their warranty huh? I guess that the benefits must be greater then the cons (for one, being able to use my Dualshock 3 without cables is way enough, maybe the eventual repair centre won't notice, or maybe I'll just keep a freaking eye on my phone).
Again, I couldn't find an answer in the Rooting thread's first post, so to be safe rather than sorry I'll ask here: The device update is ready, it upgrades Android to 4.4.2 (currently 4.3, but if I got it right the KB shouldn't give me problems because I am not changing rom), does CF autoroot work anyway? Knox flag or not? I dropped the idea of using a custom rom, so I just need to know if I can still root it with CF.
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It strongly depends on which part of the world you live.
In the EU the store you bought it from still has to fix it. Samsung in the Netherlands has stated that rooted phones etc will still have warranty.

Lennyz1988 said:
It strongly depends on which part of the world you live.
In the EU the store you bought it from still has to fix it. Samsung in the Netherlands has stated that rooted phones etc will still have warranty.
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I live in italy and I highly doubt warranty is intact after rooting, so heh.
In case someone missed it, this is the last question before I'm satisfied and can let this thread be closed: if I do the official update which brings the device's Android version to 4.4.2, can I still root it? I'm not saying the upgraded Android is a problem, I'm just asking if that specific update perhaps brought some security changes or something which don't allow rooting or make it harder.

Sorry but I'm bumping again I really need this.

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You can root it.

[Q] SGH-I337 AT&T Bootloader Unlock

After reading up a bunch it appears that even though I've successfully rooted my AT&T Galaxy S4 running NI1, I will not be able to unlock the bootloader and need to use safestrap and simply be limited to TW based ROMs. LAME!
Honestly, I don't care about voiding the warranty by tripping the knox sensor. What I would like to find out is if anyone has successfully flashed a previous build that has an unlocked bootloader so that I can put a custom recovery on and flash AOSP roms. Again, I know it will void the warranty. Don't care. If anyone could point me to a thread or explaining the process that would be cool. I've been searching for hours and have come across people asking the question but they just get met with "you'll void your warranty" bs.
If it can be done without bricking the phone I'll do it.

It can't be done. Qfuses are blown. It won't brick your device trying, Odin will just fail. But it's not worth the time trying because it won't work.
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jd1639 said:
It can't be done. Qfuses are blown. It won't brick your device trying, Odin will just fail. But it's not worth the time trying because it won't work.
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Sorry, can you clarify? You said "it won't brick your device trying", but it sounds like from the other parts of your post that you are saying it WILL brick the device.
What I hear you saying is that because of a "Qfuse" if I flash a pre-MGG stock release of the AT&T S4 firmware using ODIN on a rooted NI1 firmware then the device will brick. Is that accurate? I assume you know this because someone tried or is it theoretical? I don't ask because I'm skeptical but simply because sometimes people repeat things based on what someone else said rather than actual tested results.

Part of the reason I'm asking is because all the posts that I'm looking at people are saying flashing a pre-MGG rom will result in the knox register being changed to 0x1. I don't really care about that. What I want to know if warranty void or no, will it work. The QFuse posts don't seem real clear either.

objecttothis said:
Part of the reason I'm asking is because all the posts that I'm looking at people are saying flashing a pre-MGG rom will result in the knox register being changed to 0x1. I don't really care about that. What I want to know if warranty void or no, will it work. The QFuse posts don't seem real clear either.
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A brick is when you're device becomes completely inoperable and unrecoverable. That will not occur if you try to flash the mdl firmware. But, the mdl firmware will not flash onto your device. Doesn't matter if you don't care about voiding warranty or not. It simply won't work, ever.
And by the way, there are no AT&T i337 bootloaders that were unlocked. There were just two that could be exploited with Loki to flash custom recoveries and kernels.
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Once Kit Kat is on phone you can Not go back to Jelly Bean, mdl firmware !!!!