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jaggy browser experience?

So I was really looking forward to getting a galaxy tab, primarily for web browsing. Then I saw this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZvCXMARtl0
What is the deal with the stuttering jaggy web browsing experience? Can someone that has a tab let me know if a third party browser can make browsing a little less, bleh?

The Galaxy Tab has Flash running in on the webpage.
Look at 0:08 on the video, you can see on the iPad that there are two bars marked "FLASH" disabled. It's suppose to have the banner for "HTC" on it.

Yeah, flash is SERIOUSLY CPU heavy. In fact that's how apple justifies not using it on any of its mobile devices. On closer inspection, there's more than just two 'FLASH' bars on the iPad, I count at least 4.
If you want it to good THAT fast then turn flash off.
On the other hand, do you look at websites by pinging back and forth on them so fast you can't read the text ? Personally, I scroll slowly down, and only move quickly infrequently when I want to 'go to top' or 'go to bottom'. If you actually read websites, the video doesn't really show off a whole lot. Its not comparing like with like, and its not comparing a real life situation, so it doesn't matter.

I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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clubtech said:
I have the tab. Some sites with flash will run just fine.
Others will simply cause the browser to be unusable. I have no explanation to this.
I compare a site that is unusable on the tab with my Droid x and on the droidx the site runs just fine with flash enabled.
Maybe. This is a software issue which is unrelated to flash and can be fixed in a future firmware update.
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Quote possibly. Samsung have been slow to release Froyo for the galaxy, so maybe the flash thing isn't just the Tab, its the architecture. Maybe they can't get the hummingbird GFX to accelerate properly.

I have a Tab since 1 week and yes...the browsing experience is really awful. it's a pain...it's slow in loading pages and VERY jaggy in scrolling.
If I think that it should be one of the best features on the Tab I'm very sad and I really hope that it will be fixed (ad least improved) soon in future releases!
By now I just can't leave my ipad for internet browsing.

It looks like both the SGS and the Tab are suffering from the same issue with the browser.
Samsung will have no choice but to fix this.

Dolphin and Opera
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).

Thank you all for your honest opinions.

patomas said:
Yes browsing with stock browser is really slow and jaggy. I've installed Opera mini and Dolphin. I use Opera for casual browsing (ie xda) and it's really smooth. When I need flash, or for "difficult sites" or if I have to download with rapidhare etc I use Dolphin (which is almost smooth).
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Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.

clubtech said:
Dolphin uses the same core lib as the stock browser so it should run the same as stock in terms of speed.
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Didnt know. In practice it's really smoother though!

The webkit browser has a really annoying renderer in general. I dont understand why it needs to lower picture quality whenever you move the image around.
Just look at the way opera mini does it - much faster and better looking! Sadly its buggy and lacking in features, which is why im still using webkit.
Dolphin HD is slightly better (if only because it semi-blocks flash content by default), but it has some annoying ui elements like the giant tab bar, which can be removed but at the cost of being able to click on objects along the top edge of the display.
Ive also tried the ARM7 version of the mozilla fennec nighly builds. It just force closed on me, not even a little looksee

For me Dolphin HD is much smoother beside the fact it doesn't show flash banners where stock one does.
Both of them have been a disappointment WRT flash support.
It isn't that great for sites i visit.

If I open a new tap, I need to zoom in and out to get a picture
is this normal?

No, mine loads fine immediatley.

ftgg99 said:
No, mine loads fine immediatley.
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strange maybe this evening I'll do a HR
by the way I open the tabs not in front but in background. If I open it in front it will load

Why is the browser so laggy?

Before I picked up my Tab, I assumed that all the complaints about the browser were just complaints that apply to the stock android browser in general. However, I've noticed that the browser on my Tab is a lot choppier than the browser on my Captivate. Even if I visit an extremely light-weight page that my Captivate handles with ease, the Tab browser is noticeably choppy (take google's mobile search results, for instance -- there's barely anything to render!). I've also set plugins to load on demand.
So are there any theories as to why this is? I have a hard time believing that the upped resolution is the sole cause.

Opera Mobile is smooooooth.

I haven't noticed the lag since I replaced the tab's native browser with Dolphin HD.

The issues with the lag in the browser is all over this forum.
It is also present in the SGS 2.2 firmwares so it is definitely a bug that Samsung will need to fix as the lag is simply unacceptable.
Dolphin HD helps a little but since both stock and Dolphin use the same webkit core (that has this lag), it is not solving all the lag issues.
Opera mobile is super smooth because it is using Opera's own rendering engine.

Guys make sure in settings you click 'on demand' when it asks for enabling flash.... makes a big difference.

I knew it was a Flash issue, mainly because on my Nexus One before I had Flash on it, it was running as smooth as a baby's ass up until I install Flash.

rockky said:
Guys make sure in settings you click 'on demand' when it asks for enabling flash.... makes a big difference.
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Yes thank you for tips.. its helpful..

Will browsing ever be good enough?

I'm going to start by saying I absolutely love my transformer... and am definetly going to stay and hope the platform will grow. But I don't think anyone will argue that browsing on it is not the same as a computer or even netbook. My grandma has a 400 dollar netbook and Still it outperformed the transformer. Im running Prime 1.4, overclocked to 1.6 and still it is not enough. Sites don't load correctly, things don't click, and just other stuff just doesn't work as it does on a real PC.
So my question is Do you guys think well ever get a full fledged browsing experience? I no this isn't a computer but it should be able to browse like one I think. And do you guys think these issues are more honeycomb related then hardware?
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Sometimes things don't click because a lot of websites aren't exactly optimized for touches. Same reason we have problems with things that require mouse-hover functions.
Currently it's "good enough" for me, personally.

I've got a question regarding browser performance. Using the stock browser, when I scroll down a web page, there is a very noticeable lag in the newly exposed section filling in. For example, when I scroll down an XDA forum, the bottom of my screen is a blank brown/tan for a moment before anything loads. I tested the same sites on my dual core phone and there were no delays or visible blank spots when scrolling -it looks continous and smooth whereas the Transformer appears to be slowly loading each new section. I'm on my second unit and don't recall it being nearly as bad on the first. My keyboard lag is also ridiculous.
Is this experience common or do I again have a defective Transformer

That's common, try switching to xda classic at the bottom if you can't tolerate it. There its the xda app too.

i thinks its eather asus custome UI, even though its pretty vanilla, its still laggier than stock. that and HC is a bit laggier than phone ver. of Android. Just gotta wait for updates i guess.

Did I hear that hardware accerlation in the browser could b in I've cream sandwich? That will help surely.
Have to say I agree. My partner is getting pissed off with it as we sold our netbook for Thursday tf.
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i feel you with the things dont click, this is a problem with touch screens across all devices, other wise for a tablet the browsing is great. you shouldnt expect it to be up to par with a full operating system such as windows....yet

try opera browser instead

Opera does not support flash, but Flash in general is bad on Honeycomb, so you could argue that no browsers support it...
Opera has stated that it is because of Google not releasing the sources to Honeycomb, but that should change with Icecream Sandwitch (unless Google changes its mind again). It will take a while, early next year at the soonest.
If you can live without flash, Opera is indeed the best browser of the bunch.

I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.

darkonex said:
I bet any tablet has that screen draw issue in browsers, my iPad does the same thing but instead of blank it's a checkerboard pattern, never really bugged me too much. I'm like Dolphin HD so far, I did really like Opera but it has a problem that makes me not use it. I like to use the trackpad with 2 finger swipe to move the page around which works fine in other browsers, butin Opera it's like a gesture that does some wierd thing so I quit using it.
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I use opera mobile to open forums. smooth scrolling and no laggy page drawing. only use flash supported browser to stream videos.

i was annoyed by the slow browsing experience also using dolphin hd but i found that if you turn off JavaScript it significantly speeds up page loading.

Patience is a virtue...
Web browsing on android has came a very far way in just a few years. Microsoft had decades to optimize windows for browsing the web, android (especially honeycomb) just came into the game.
Web browsing works remarkably well when take into account that android (Once again, especially honeycomb) is still very much a premature OS still trying to iron out and optimize.
Don't get caught up in all the hype revolving around the hardware in android phones and benchmarks, etc. The hardware has never been the problem, once the software gets optimized and focused on web browsing will be just as good or even surpass OSx, ios and windows.

Links that don't react to clicking is probably not a touch screen problem but a bug in browser. In Dolphine when i use long tap and select "open in new window" it still doesn't open them many times. And new Dolphine proibably uses stack browser for viewing pages because it has the same problems as the stock browser.

Has anyone tried SkyFire? I t works quite well on my HD2 and has Flash support

You just have to try opera mobile! It is indeed the best brouwser for the transformer.

Yeah opera moblie seems to be the like the fastest browser among the stock and dolphina, but I don't heard alot of people complaining about the small font size. Am I crazy but the font is way to small on opera. So no one has issues with it? Increasing the font size from 9 to 12 does help but its not perfect.

Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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wouwout said:
Opera mobile not playing flash is a deal breaker. Fix it and most will move to opera.
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It does play flash. You have to enable desktop agent: http://articlecms.in/3691-how-to-run-opera-mobile-in-full-desktop-mode.html
"In the browser address bar type opera:config
Scroll down to User preferences and click on it
Scroll to custom user agent
Type this into the text box Opera/9.80 (Linux; en) Presto/2.7.81 Version/11.00
Click save
Restart the app"

I just find the browser to be slow. Sadly my notion ink adam broswer was much faster which was also running flash and was set fordesktop user agent

Smooth brower experience

I'm wondering if its possible to have a smooth browser experience on the tab 10.1, so far I've tried;
latest ICS preview
renice
disable opengl rendering (about:debug)
normal rendering (about:debug)
light touch - no idea what this does (about:debug)
force gpu rendering (developer options)
overclock cpu (1.4ghz)
force plugins to on-demand
touchscreen tune tweaks
clear app data/cache
other browsers (dolphin, firefox, opera)
On mainly text sites like forums.whirlpool.net.au scrolling is smooth but sites with moderate/standard use of images like theverge.com (full-site) scrolling is only average. I've noticed a pause in scrolling occurs when a new image comes into view and thats scrolling at a speed that you would if you were reading/skimming content on the site.
I'm comparing to the iPad 1, as its all I've got to compare to, where the above 2 sites scroll super smooth. Even the mainly text site is loads smoother on the iPad 1.
Is this as goods as the browsing experience gets on android?

I just flashed Romans ics rom and everything is smooth as butta... even on the stock browser.

zacbarton said:
I'm wondering if its possible to have a smooth browser experience on the tab 10.1, so far I've tried;
latest ICS preview
renice
disable opengl rendering (about:debug)
normal rendering (about:debug)
light touch - no idea what this does (about:debug)
force gpu rendering (developer options)
overclock cpu (1.4ghz)
force plugins to on-demand
touchscreen tune tweaks
clear app data/cache
other browsers (dolphin, firefox, opera)
On mainly text sites like forums.whirlpool.net.au scrolling is smooth but sites with moderate/standard use of images like theverge.com (full-site) scrolling is only average. I've noticed a pause in scrolling occurs when a new image comes into view and thats scrolling at a speed that you would if you were reading/skimming content on the site.
I'm comparing to the iPad 1, as its all I've got to compare to, where the above 2 sites scroll super smooth. Even the mainly text site is loads smoother on the iPad 1.
Is this as goods as the browsing experience gets on android?
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Pretty much
Everything on Android is laggier then it would be on iOS, the actual release of ICS from Samsung may help with this, who knows though, overall though the ICS ports are pretty damn good when it comes to browser scrolling, its the best Ive seen on any Android device I have, IMO tegra 2 is a piece of turd, which is part of the problem

What I notice on some sites is if the images are large or large images sized down via HTML to thumbnails then I'm more likely to see jittering going on when scrolling on the site. Save both the home screen for Verge and Engadget and you'll notice a difference in the amount of image files larger than 50k each on Verge.
I don't think it's fair for folks to say that things are great for them when it comes to subjective things like responsiveness and smoothness. I'm on 3.2 and the Verge site stutters when scrolling and an image pops in. For the most part performance is acceptable for me but that's a subjective thing, I can perceive the stutter but it's not bad enough for me to complain about and I'd never even consider buying an iPad to remedy that.
For me memory management is worse than scrolling performance. Jumping in and out of memory intensive applications causes issues eventually as Android tries to dump background process to free up RAM. Hoping ICS helps as people say because that lag switching between or starting apps is more annoying to me.

Opera Mini processes the webpage on Opera servers so it speeds up page load times and I find browsing to be pretty smooth.

Can you elaborate on your definitions of smooth and lag? I compared browsing sites on the Tab and my mbp and unless my macbook pro browser experience is not as great as iOS Im not getting the same substandard performance. Im not seeing deformed images or text. Flash works well.
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muzzy996 said:
What I notice on some sites is if the images are large or large images sized down via HTML to thumbnails then I'm more likely to see jittering going on when scrolling on the site. Save both the home screen for Verge and Engadget and you'll notice a difference in the amount of image files larger than 50k each on Verge.
I don't think it's fair for folks to say that things are great for them when it comes to subjective things like responsiveness and smoothness. I'm on 3.2 and the Verge site stutters when scrolling and an image pops in. For the most part performance is acceptable for me but that's a subjective thing, I can perceive the stutter but it's not bad enough for me to complain about and I'd never even consider buying an iPad to remedy that.
For me memory management is worse than scrolling performance. Jumping in and out of memory intensive applications causes issues eventually as Android tries to dump background process to free up RAM. Hoping ICS helps as people say because that lag switching between or starting apps is more annoying to me.
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I agree on memory mgmt. I have to use the task mgr a lot in order to assure decent performance with hd video playback or even netflix.Even then im rebooting at least every other day. Really not seeing poor browser performance. Im running stock rooted currently. Considering a rom but so far I cant see not running into problems like no camera or other bugs which just adds up to swapping one problem for another.
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GorillaPimp said:
I agree on memory mgmt. I have to use the task mgr a lot in order to assure decent performance with hd video playback or even netflix.Even then im rebooting at least every other day. Really not seeing poor browser performance. Im running stock rooted currently. Considering a rom but so far I cant see not running into problems like no camera or other bugs which just adds up to swapping one problem for another.
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Try Overcome. It's close to stock, and I haven't run into any issues in the couple of days I've run it.

Simba501 said:
Try Overcome. It's close to stock, and I haven't run into any issues in the couple of days I've run it.
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Thanks for the input. Ive seen people talking about it. Is it one of those "slim" roms where I have to hunt down the system apps?
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GorillaPimp said:
Thanks for the input. Ive seen people talking about it. Is it one of those "slim" roms where I have to hunt down the system apps?
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I think everything is there. I ended up removing a lot of stuff I don't use, so I assume he left most of it intact.

Ipad haven no flash in the browser so for sure it would be faster
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zacbarton said:
I'm wondering if its possible to have a smooth browser experience on the tab 10.1, so far I've tried;
latest ICS preview
renice
disable opengl rendering (about:debug)
normal rendering (about:debug)
light touch - no idea what this does (about:debug)
force gpu rendering (developer options)
overclock cpu (1.4ghz)
force plugins to on-demand
touchscreen tune tweaks
clear app data/cache
other browsers (dolphin, firefox, opera)
On mainly text sites like forums.whirlpool.net.au scrolling is smooth but sites with moderate/standard use of images like theverge.com (full-site) scrolling is only average. I've noticed a pause in scrolling occurs when a new image comes into view and thats scrolling at a speed that you would if you were reading/skimming content on the site.
I'm comparing to the iPad 1, as its all I've got to compare to, where the above 2 sites scroll super smooth. Even the mainly text site is loads smoother on the iPad 1.
Is this as goods as the browsing experience gets on android?
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I use the following combination
Task 13.1 Slim
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1340064
Pershoot kernel 2.6.36.4
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1138167
b00sted's Galaxy tab ICS Theme
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349862
No browser issues to speak of.......

hoss_n2 said:
Ipad haven no flash in the browser so for sure it would be faster
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You can set plugins to "on demand" to speed up page loads and only use it when you want to. I don't know why anyone would not have it "on demand". I get this laggyness the OP describes as well on mine without flash even installed. Nothing compared to my first gen ipad so I dont think it's fair to say that's the only reason.

latest ics kang with ics browser + is pretty smooth for me
the verge.com doesn't seem slow at all

Simba501 said:
I think everything is there. I ended up removing a lot of stuff I don't use, so I assume he left most of it intact.
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I'm going to give it a go tomorrow. I'm tired of the crummy memory mgmt.

Try this ram manager instead of a task killer. Its very similar to the scripts like v6 supercharger that some devs bake into their rom. Is enhances androids own ram management.
Imo it helps from android killing my browser while I'm using it. Makes the tab generally more responsive and better on battery life by helping android do a better job of stopping rogue apps from eating up ramm in the background.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimizationFree

shawnwojcik said:
Try this ram manager instead of a task killer. Its very similar to the scripts like v6 supercharger that some devs bake into their rom. Is enhances androids own ram management.
Imo it helps from android killing my browser while I'm using it. Makes the tab generally more responsive and better on battery life by helping android do a better job of stopping rogue apps from eating up ramm in the background.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.smartprojects.RAMOptimizationFree
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Installed it but it hangs when trying to run it. It just sits there with a blank screen and no menu options although I read theres only balanced with the free version. Rebooted and no change.
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If you want smooth browsing experience(or a smooth OS in general) get an iPad. All Android tablets I've tried were laggy and had repeated browser crashes(I think there's an issue with JavaScript) and no custom rom will solve these issues.

GorillaPimp said:
Installed it but it hangs when trying to run it. It just sits there with a blank screen and no menu options although I read theres only balanced with the free version. Rebooted and no change.
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Usually when i have an issue like that I have to uninstall and reinstall the app. You are correct about having only the balanced option with the free version. For me it does the trick though. Its just enough to have a better experience on all my Android devices.

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Usually when i have an issue like that I have to uninstall and reinstall the app. You are correct about having only the balanced option with the free version. For me it does the trick though. Its just enough to have a better experience on all my Android devices.
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Tried reinstalling and rebooting with waiting after reboot to reinstall and still it won't work on my Tab. I'm not even running a custom ROM. Weird. No data to clear either. There are a few other similar apps out there. I will see if one of them will work.

Performance Problems? Significant stuttering in Chrome, etc.

Overall, the performance on my Nexus is quite good, but I routinely run into stuttering on webpages in the Chrome Browser. A good example of this is theverge.com. If I wait for that website to load and scroll up and down at moderate or fast speeds, I run into some very significant stuttering.
Other webpages exhibit this problem to varying degrees, but I can almost always find some hint of it. Elsewhere on the phone, I can also see some stuttery elements, such as on the Play Store while browsing apps, or scrolling through a single app description.
Best as I can tell, these stutters seem to trigger as I am scrolling towards an image in both cases.
Anybody else experiencing this? Not sure if this is just how it is.

1. Wrong section to post....
2. Do you scroll before the page loads completely... Which case is expected...
3. I just opened theverge.com on nexus5 as 6p is still shipping... No issues... Can't really believe that 6p would stutter
4. Congrats for the new phone

No lag when scrolling on the verge for me.
I see it on Engadget but that is because their mobile site sucks and loads a couple articles at a time as you scroll. Not the phones fault there.

I haven't noticed any stutter or lag on any sites. Just when phone was installing apps on first boot.

No stuttering for me unless data is still loading in a low signal area. I often have multiple chrome tabs open and if they are fully loaded then I can scroll seamlessly.

Yeah I've experienced stutter here and there while using Chrome too. Check your cached processes to see how much free ram you have. I think mines generally smoother when I have more free ram there.

Definitely stutter and lag
Tatmaster said:
Overall, the performance on my Nexus is quite good, but I routinely run into stuttering on webpages in the Chrome Browser. A good example of this is theverge.com. If I wait for that website to load and scroll up and down at moderate or fast speeds, I run into some very significant stuttering.
Other webpages exhibit this problem to varying degrees, but I can almost always find some hint of it. Elsewhere on the phone, I can also see some stuttery elements, such as on the Play Store while browsing apps, or scrolling through a single app description.
Best as I can tell, these stutters seem to trigger as I am scrolling towards an image in both cases.
Anybody else experiencing this? Not sure if this is just how it is.
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You are not alone. I have noticed the same thing. Many instances of stutter and lag. This is definitely not a lag free device as many said it was. Chrome is fairly smooth but stutter is there sometimes. Facebook and play store are two of the worse culprits. I have tried clearing the cache, haven't factory reset because I have hardly any apps installed (no games). No phone is perfect but perormance is fairly good.

Jcomstock said:
You are not alone. I have noticed the same thing. Many instances of stutter and lag. This is definitely not a lag free device as many said it was. Chrome is fairly smooth but stutter is there sometimes. Facebook and play store are two of the worse culprits. I have tried clearing the cache, haven't factory reset because I have hardly any apps installed (no games). No phone is perfect but perormance is fairly good.
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Scrolling has almost been perfect for me . It's another story for my nexus 6 ,tho. Playstore always lags no matter what device you are browsing with. But it's barely noticeable on 6P.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/chrome-laggy-t3253466/page3 Might be this helps you

I have experienced this issue, but it seems to only happen when power-saver has kicked in (10% battery life for me).