I am happy, apart from WiFi problem, Note 3 user but I have some questions regarding spen. I havent head any experience with spen before but I guess my expectations were higher then the reality, so here we go:
1. Shell the spen be sensitivity be equally good to my fingertip? In my case, finger servse it purpose better.
2. When I use the spen at an angle ( so colled natualr writing angle) the reception is poor. is it normal?
3. Shell I apply slight pressure when using the spen, or shell "the touch" itself be enaugh?
4. The worst part is about the capacitve buttons, I need to tap with the spen, 2-3 times before the device registers it.
Please help me out, as I need to make my mind before I go complaining
Thanks!
I went to the shop and tried the note 3 before I bought it. (3 different shops).
At the shop I played around with it, mainly with the s-pen.
I can definitely say from my own experience (30 min all up) that I found using the pen quite easy, and while I I needed to get used to it for the first couple of minutes, I experienced no issues.
I also used the pen from another samsung tablet that was next to it and found no problem.
I will say that my finger is much less accurate than the s-pen.
If you have a problem, try and go to a shop and try their note 3 pen on your device to see if its different.
You could try a tablet pen as well to see if that makes a difference for you.
Good luck.
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The S-Pen is Wacom pen technology based device, which allows presure sensitive writing/drawing if the program/App makes use of this.
You will see a pointer if you come close to the screen with the wacom pen and moving across the screen, in windows tablet the mouse pointer is already there but will move with the pen movement too.
You have to touch the scrren with the pen tip an provide at least minimal preassure. The benfits are:
- if the programs do not support preasure sensitive input you may assume that it's not better then your finger.
- If the program supports preasure sensitive writing/drawing the line will get thicker or more pronounced e.g. if you draw using the spray paint. -
- Other Wacom pens work too, e.g. the S-Pen from my Samsung Slate7 win7 X700T1a tablet. It's slightly larger and better suited for work.
- The main benefit over the smaller pen that come with the Note is that on the opposite site of the pens tip is the erase button, that allows you to erase parts you don't won't.
- In addition to the keayboard you get also handwriting recognition, which is toggled by a button on the keyoard.
Unfortunately Samsung does not provide many details on the interfaces or versions, but I would assume it to be around 256 presure steps. Wacom tablets may be as high as 1024 -2048 steps.
I hope that helps you to have a better understanding of Wacom technology and what to look for. For me the Wacom based pen was a large reason why I choose a Notes.
Thank you for your answers but I am rather then understanding the technology trying to identyfi if the s-pen that came with my note 3 works as yours.
I just wanna ask if it register / works the same as yours and if you are experiencing the same when using it.
1. Is is as respoosive as your finger when touching the screen? Is just "touching" just enuagh, or sligh pressure need to by applied when navigatin between screen or while browsing?
2. And the captivate buttons, do they register your taps every time?
Thanks!
cudo said:
Thank you for your answers but I am rather then understanding the technology trying to identyfi if the s-pen that came with my note 3 works as yours.
I just wanna ask if it register / works the same as yours and if you are experiencing the same when using it.
1. Is is as respoosive as your finger when touching the screen? Is just "touching" just enuagh, or sligh pressure need to by applied when navigatin between screen or while browsing?
2. And the captivate buttons, do they register your taps every time?
Thanks!
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1. A slight touch on it. Just like how you touch or tap it using your finger.
2. Yes, since Note 8.0, S Pen works with the captive buttons. Ours one too.
Different between using S Pen and finger for the Air View is:
1. Finger - you can preview picture / SMS / header / email / speed dial etc
2. S Pen - besides what the finger could detect, S Pen also act as the mouse hovering mode and you can hover it above most of the icon and shows you a description what does the icon do
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Hi,
there is something I have been really wondering about lately, and that is wether the HD's touch screen is multi touch capable by hardware, e.g. the hardware is able to identify several touches at the same time.
Now, if you do the following test, start Notes, and press two fingers at the same time on the screen (writing a note with touch). You will notice that the line is drawn in the middle between your fingers. I then started to think that if the screen isn't mulitouch capable by hardware, the point/line would either choose one finger and stick to that, or jump between those two fingers, not draw a point perfectly in between of those two. As it looks now, it seems that the point that is sent with the mouse click event, is a calculated point based on your fingers(1). A calculation that might have been done in the touch driver.
Now there might also exist another reasonable explanation to this, and that is when you press several fingers you press down a larger area of the screen at the same time(2). The point is then calculated to the center of this area. However, this does not realy fit in with the technical design of a resistive touch screen.
I have tried to explain in figures, look at the attachements.
Now, if scenario 1 should be the case, then there might be a chance to reverse engieneer the touch driver and create a multi touch capable phone right?
If anyone have more understanding on this field, please correct me. Maybe I can get some sleep after all.
Sorry for any typos, it's early in the morning..
Get no sleep...
skov82 said:
Hi,
there is something I have been really wondering about lately, and that is wether the HD's touch screen is multi touch capable by hardware, e.g. the hardware is able to identify several touches at the same time.
Now, if you do the following test, start Notes, and press two fingers at the same time on the screen (writing a note with touch). You will notice that the line is drawn in the middle between your fingers. I then started to think that if the screen isn't mulitouch capable by hardware, the point/line would either choose one finger and stick to that, or jump between those two fingers, not draw a point perfectly in between of those two. As it looks now, it seems that the point that is sent with the mouse click event, is a calculated point based on your fingers(1). A calculation that might have been done in the touch driver.
Now there might also exist another reasonable explanation to this, and that is when you press several fingers you press down a larger area of the screen at the same time(2). The point is then calculated to the center of this area. However, this does not realy fit in with the technical design of a resistive touch screen.
I have tried to explain in figures, look at the attachements.
Now, if scenario 1 should be the case, then there might be a chance to reverse engieneer the touch driver and create a multi touch capable phone right?
If anyone have more understanding on this field, please correct me. Maybe I can get some sleep after all.
Sorry for any typos, it's early in the morning..
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I have a QVGA Titan and have noticed the same thing.
Also, say on TF3D hold down your finger on the home tab and then put another finger on the tab on the other side of the screen while still holding the home tab and it will go to the tab between them. Also if you slowly release one of the fingers it will cycle through the tabs....
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could anyone share any experiences for a good working stylus for the hd2?
this phone is stupendous but alas i have to use it for work and the software we use requires very tiny touches and signature signing.
have tried the ones on e-bay (rubber topped pencil turned upside down)
which is crap...have now tried the htc and dagi ones with the tiny red dot and they are just not cutting it.
has anyone done any homemade experiments or come across a moe "pointy" stylus
toodle pip amigos
I got some, and they were crap...
davidcampbell said:
I got some, and they were crap...
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Unfortunately you are all too correct!
With the glass screen!
Put a protector on it and they work!
I have been using the dagi long slim one and it works ok, I do have a screen protector on though so maybe this helps... makes selecting text and writing Chinese characters much easier (I use my hd2 to study/translate Chinese so being able to use a stylus to do this is pretty great)... its a bit fiddly to start with as you need to learn how to use it properly, but once you get used to it everything is ok...
Most of the styli are crap, I need something with more of a point, but that's probably not possible. Still waiting for some sort of battery powered pen that offers pin point precision, a guy can dream right...
i'll try to put a screen protector on as suggested and try...
my problem is it's no good mastering the dagi myself as i have to get customers signatures and most people simply can't use it...
it deffo needs something more pointy.
i'm sure i read somewhere on the forum about a guy who was filing something to a point till it stopped working???
i'm so frustrated as this is the only phone in 8 years that uses my works software flawlessly...except stylii
I have ordered the official htc stylus 400.
arrives in 2 weeks and i'll post comments.
read a review after ordering that it actually scratches the screen!
I guess i should have waited for the 400/2 version!
look on the bright side, will probably misplace it by the second day anyway
I've tried using my DS stylus but that doesnt work, seems like it was made for bigger objects to come in contact with the screen (ie fingers).
ILLEATYAFACE said:
I've tried using my DS stylus but that doesnt work, seems like it was made for bigger objects to come in contact with the screen (ie fingers).
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It`s not about the size of objects. HD2 has capacitive screen.
"A capacitive touchscreen panel consists of an insulator such as glass, coated with a transparent conductor such as indium tin oxide (ITO).[2][3] As the human body is also a conductor, touching the surface of the screen results in a distortion of the body's electrostatic field, measurable as a change in capacitance. Different technologies may be used to determine the location of the touch. The location can be passed to a computer running a software application which will calculate how the user's touch relates to the computer software."
Wikipedia
thanx for input guys..i least i know about capacitive screens now thanx to kregowski...although i sorta knew.
so if someone could come up with a small pointy thing that gives off some sort of electro staticy stuff...we in..
the search continues
Got the dagi (10 euro from Hong Kong). I am not amused... Touching the screen with the complete tip flat on the screen is annoying to get used to. Often only the side of the tip touches the screen.
When the tip is flat on the screen (which it should) it just does not feel OK. Not "delicate".
Which the screen responsiveness lowered and the tap-reaction time increased (which I did just to be able to get some decent fingertyping results) the dagi does not function adequate. I have to aim more accurate then with my fingers and have to press the dagi on the screen.
Putting the screensettings to default (which I did not try yet) reinstates all the drawbacks in the other functionalities.
Anyone feel the same with their GT10.1? I feel like sometimes I really need to press on an icon to make it launch or swipe really hard to get it to move.
Is there a way to increase the sensitivity? Anyone else notice this too?
It's not a huge problem just a minor annoyance. It just doesn't seem snappy.
I've noticed that about mine too. Nothing major but an annoyance nonetheless.
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When I tried the Asus Transformer that's what I found, needed more pressure than I expected for it to register. My 10.1 seems fine, responds to very light touches nicely.
Is there a calibration setting somewhere?
I find myself hitting everything twice. First time it doesn't register, next time I push harder. My XOOM screen is more sensitive. Guess I'm too used to that. This effects swiping in the browser too. Its hard to push gently to move a page up and down. I have to push harder and then every once in a while the page ends up scrolling at high speed all the way to the top or bottom.
It seems to me that I just need to get used to using the larger capacitive touch screen. When first using a smaller touch screen everyone begins to realize what part of their finger is actually touching the screen. I don't know if the screen is any more or less sensitive but I've been getting better at using this larger screen and noticing which part of my finger actually making contact and where.
Ill tell you 1 thing for sure, this thumb keyboard is amazing! I think I might actually like it better than swype! You can really type quick and the auto correct works very Well!
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Here is some evidence that the sensitivity problems with the screen may be hardware/software related.
After a hard reset the screen appears to be very sensitive.
After an hour screen sensitivity seems to drop.
BUT there is something else going on - at the same time, after a hard reset my Targus capacitive stylus works normally on the Tabs screen.
At the time when the screen sensitivity seems to drop, the Targus stylus stops working. It can no longer be used to swipe the screen or scroll the browser. Finger swipe and scroll still works however.
Now why would the Targus stylus suddenly stop working, unless there is a real change in the capacitive sensitivity of the TAB 10.1 screen such that it falls below the threshold necessary to operate/detect the stylus?
The touchscreen on the Tab 10.1 definitely isn't as accurate or sensitive as the Xoom. I had both side by side for a few days before I returned my Xoom and you can definitely tell the difference.
However, I'll take the Galaxy's screen over the Xoom just from a contrast/color reproduction standpoint, so I guess there are pluses and minuses to everything.
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Apparently Tegra 2 is not able to cope with all of the open tasks,live widgets,and have enough power left to make the immediate switch to a larger screem's touch commands.
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Apparently Tegra 2 is not able to cope with all of the open tasks,live widgets,and have enough power left to make the immediate switch to a larger screem's touch commands.
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I have a XOOM as well, and it handles multitasking just fine. There is no hesitation or lack of screen sensitivity at all. I pulled it out this morning and was amazed at how much smoother the user experience is. You tap once - the screen responds - on my GTAB 10.1 I have to conciously think about every click and half the time I still have to do it twice.
As a left-hander, the S-Pen SUCKS.
I've set the phone to left-handed, but that isn't the issue.
The phone expects the user to hold the pen at an angle away from the user, and that's where the screen registers.
However, many left handers hold their pens at an angle TOWARDS themselves, and the S-Pen is off by nearly HALF A CM!!
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As a left-hander, the S-Pen SUCKS.
I've set the phone to left-handed, but that isn't the issue.
The phone expects the user to hod the pen at an angle away from the user, and that's where the screen registers.
However, many left handers hold their pens at an angle TOWARDS themselves, and the S-Pen is off by nearly HALF A CM!!
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Tell me about it...
It's so irritating
are you sure you got it in left hand mode? i have mine set to my left hand and tried writing with my right. was off like you said (to the right). tried again with my left hand and it seemed fine.
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are you sure you got it in left hand mode? i have mine set to my left hand and tried writing with my right. was off like you said (to the right). tried again with my left hand and it seemed fine.
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I have it set to left handed.
When changing the settings to right-handed and using my right hand (I'm a little ambidextrous) it works fine. Nice and accurate. Mostly because with my right hand I hold the pen at a conventional angle.
However, many lefties don't hold their pens conventionally (habits picked up by the necessity of avoiding ring bindings, minimising smudging, etc). Look at how President Obama holds his pen:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200901/20090126ho_lefthandedobama_330.jpg
See how the nib of the pen is angled TOWARDS him? The Note thinks it's angled away and puts down a line in totally the wrong place.
Even with my slightly less unconventional left-handed pen hold, it's WAY out (no matter whether the unit is set to left or right hand use, though left is slightly less awful).
How hard can it be for Samsung to provide a calibration app?
Right now, the Note is a phone unsuitable for a President!
Do you find any difference when you change the screen orientation then back again?
Beards said:
Do you find any difference when you change the screen orientation then back again?
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None at all, unfortunately.
I find that no matter what I do with the pen it always seems to write half a cm above where I have contact on the screen
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SPen uses autocalibration feature, which unfortunately goes off after some time. Which is a bug by itself but not the point..
Everyone complaining about pen being way off try this:
set it to whatever your hand preference. Please phone on flat surface like a table and reboot phone. Do not shake or touch it too much. Open SNote and try to draw around grid lines, you will see that pen works perfectly with tip being exactly as expected.
However more you use pen more it will deviate off until reboot is needed. It happens especially fast if you are using it walking, upside down etc.
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SPen uses autocalibration feature, which unfortunately goes off after some time. Which is a bug by itself but not the point..
Everyone complaining about pen being way off try this:
set it to whatever your hand preference. Please phone on flat surface like a table and reboot phone. Do not shake or touch it too much. Open SNote and try to draw around grid lines, you will see that pen works perfectly with tip being exactly as expected.
However more you use pen more it will deviate off until reboot is needed. It happens especially fast if you are using it walking, upside down etc.
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Interesting (though it didn't help in my case)
But it the calibration goes off after time, then there is even more reason to add a calibration facility.
I reckon that only happens when you're using landscape orientation and then you turn off autorotation without first returning to portrait orientation. Try turning autorotation on, setting it to portrait and then turn it off. That should fix it.
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Thanks, but it really is nothing to do with orientation in my case.
It's ALL about the angle at which you hold the S-pen.
It expects the nib to be angled away from you, whereas I hold a pen with the nib angled towards me.
How does the Note III know you have a finger hovering over the screen, and where it is hovering over the screen? So we are being told the entire screen has a built-in proximity sensor and how does that work? I am waiting for the Galaxy Note 3 and an currently using an S3. The S3 has a proximity sensor but that I believe is only a tiny hole up at the top of the front of the phone - not the whole freaking screen!?!?!?!?
Very confused, must be magic or made by the Gods.... ??? LOL
Anyone can shed any help on this?
I think it does have some sort of prozimity built in the screen.See S pen...you can select without even touching the screen.
A digitizer is a device that creates a small electromagnetic field and then measures disturbances in that field. Thus knowing when your finger touches (disturbs) the screen (and electromagnetic field)
In the Note 2 there is a second digitizer that detects the different way the S Pen nib interacts with a magnetic field at a distance, and thus is able to show where the S Pen is hovering.
In the Note 3 they use similar technology but is now able to detect your finger at a distance instead of just the S Pen nib.
I think I got all that correct, if not... someone will correct me
And, if I am wrong
Must be magic or made by the Gods
Magic to impress your iPhone friends.
I miss this so much, it's like optical "mouse" together with main button on HTC Desire, one of the best features in decades. Seems that last time we could hover over screen was Note 3 and S5. Sad.