As a left-hander, the S-Pen SUCKS.
I've set the phone to left-handed, but that isn't the issue.
The phone expects the user to hold the pen at an angle away from the user, and that's where the screen registers.
However, many left handers hold their pens at an angle TOWARDS themselves, and the S-Pen is off by nearly HALF A CM!!
Unsinkable II said:
As a left-hander, the S-Pen SUCKS.
I've set the phone to left-handed, but that isn't the issue.
The phone expects the user to hod the pen at an angle away from the user, and that's where the screen registers.
However, many left handers hold their pens at an angle TOWARDS themselves, and the S-Pen is off by nearly HALF A CM!!
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It's so irritating
are you sure you got it in left hand mode? i have mine set to my left hand and tried writing with my right. was off like you said (to the right). tried again with my left hand and it seemed fine.
crazy talk said:
are you sure you got it in left hand mode? i have mine set to my left hand and tried writing with my right. was off like you said (to the right). tried again with my left hand and it seemed fine.
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I have it set to left handed.
When changing the settings to right-handed and using my right hand (I'm a little ambidextrous) it works fine. Nice and accurate. Mostly because with my right hand I hold the pen at a conventional angle.
However, many lefties don't hold their pens conventionally (habits picked up by the necessity of avoiding ring bindings, minimising smudging, etc). Look at how President Obama holds his pen:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/images/200901/20090126ho_lefthandedobama_330.jpg
See how the nib of the pen is angled TOWARDS him? The Note thinks it's angled away and puts down a line in totally the wrong place.
Even with my slightly less unconventional left-handed pen hold, it's WAY out (no matter whether the unit is set to left or right hand use, though left is slightly less awful).
How hard can it be for Samsung to provide a calibration app?
Right now, the Note is a phone unsuitable for a President!
Do you find any difference when you change the screen orientation then back again?
Beards said:
Do you find any difference when you change the screen orientation then back again?
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None at all, unfortunately.
I find that no matter what I do with the pen it always seems to write half a cm above where I have contact on the screen
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SPen uses autocalibration feature, which unfortunately goes off after some time. Which is a bug by itself but not the point..
Everyone complaining about pen being way off try this:
set it to whatever your hand preference. Please phone on flat surface like a table and reboot phone. Do not shake or touch it too much. Open SNote and try to draw around grid lines, you will see that pen works perfectly with tip being exactly as expected.
However more you use pen more it will deviate off until reboot is needed. It happens especially fast if you are using it walking, upside down etc.
vvs said:
SPen uses autocalibration feature, which unfortunately goes off after some time. Which is a bug by itself but not the point..
Everyone complaining about pen being way off try this:
set it to whatever your hand preference. Please phone on flat surface like a table and reboot phone. Do not shake or touch it too much. Open SNote and try to draw around grid lines, you will see that pen works perfectly with tip being exactly as expected.
However more you use pen more it will deviate off until reboot is needed. It happens especially fast if you are using it walking, upside down etc.
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Interesting (though it didn't help in my case)
But it the calibration goes off after time, then there is even more reason to add a calibration facility.
I reckon that only happens when you're using landscape orientation and then you turn off autorotation without first returning to portrait orientation. Try turning autorotation on, setting it to portrait and then turn it off. That should fix it.
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Thanks, but it really is nothing to do with orientation in my case.
It's ALL about the angle at which you hold the S-pen.
It expects the nib to be angled away from you, whereas I hold a pen with the nib angled towards me.
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Ok everybody, grab your phone and TURN IT UPSIDE DOWN. notice how easy it is to use the joystick/thumb navigation button. in fact, this works nicely for any bar-style phone or device. the screen remains visible next to your palm and thumb. this is such an obvious idea once you think of it. I once wanted to patent this. but somebody already had a similar idea. please, if you use this idea, try to give me credit. call it the Bessler upside down phone or something. anyway, can someone make a program that will flip my screen upside down? wm5 only has two landscapes and a portrait. Thanks
wow...
here there's a program that flips the screen upside down when you click on it multiple times. only problem is the buttons don't switch direction.
http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley-Cupertino/2039/
And here's one that rotates 180 degrees in one go:
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=15332
There's three readily identifyable problems with holding the device up side down, though.
1. I'm not sure how ergonomic it really is. I've attached pictures of me holding the device up side down, and upright. You'll notice that in the first up side down picture, my thumb is relaxed, but as a result obscures the screen. To make it not obscure the screen, I actually have to bend my thumb which, other than eventually inducing pain, leaves you with less control as you're navigating with the top of the side of your thumb. Maybe I'm holding it entirely wrong though
2. The buttons issue. 'nuff said. This probably a programmatical error, though - must me some manner of telling the operating system that you rotated the screen, and that the buttons should follow suit.
3. ClearType. ClearType assumes the ordering of your LCD is RGB. If you rotate the screen, the ordering is BGR - but ClearType still assumes RGB. The result is that your screen becomes very difficult to read when using ClearType. The solution here is to disable ClearType, but who would want to do that? %) Images of what this looks like are attached as well. Note that I actually had to cheat the images, because if you rotate the 'up side down' wrong order screenshot back to normal, the ordering becomes RGB again and it looks fine. You can try it for yourself to make sure my screenshot isn't bogus, though
Anyone feel the same with their GT10.1? I feel like sometimes I really need to press on an icon to make it launch or swipe really hard to get it to move.
Is there a way to increase the sensitivity? Anyone else notice this too?
It's not a huge problem just a minor annoyance. It just doesn't seem snappy.
I've noticed that about mine too. Nothing major but an annoyance nonetheless.
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When I tried the Asus Transformer that's what I found, needed more pressure than I expected for it to register. My 10.1 seems fine, responds to very light touches nicely.
Is there a calibration setting somewhere?
I find myself hitting everything twice. First time it doesn't register, next time I push harder. My XOOM screen is more sensitive. Guess I'm too used to that. This effects swiping in the browser too. Its hard to push gently to move a page up and down. I have to push harder and then every once in a while the page ends up scrolling at high speed all the way to the top or bottom.
It seems to me that I just need to get used to using the larger capacitive touch screen. When first using a smaller touch screen everyone begins to realize what part of their finger is actually touching the screen. I don't know if the screen is any more or less sensitive but I've been getting better at using this larger screen and noticing which part of my finger actually making contact and where.
Ill tell you 1 thing for sure, this thumb keyboard is amazing! I think I might actually like it better than swype! You can really type quick and the auto correct works very Well!
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Here is some evidence that the sensitivity problems with the screen may be hardware/software related.
After a hard reset the screen appears to be very sensitive.
After an hour screen sensitivity seems to drop.
BUT there is something else going on - at the same time, after a hard reset my Targus capacitive stylus works normally on the Tabs screen.
At the time when the screen sensitivity seems to drop, the Targus stylus stops working. It can no longer be used to swipe the screen or scroll the browser. Finger swipe and scroll still works however.
Now why would the Targus stylus suddenly stop working, unless there is a real change in the capacitive sensitivity of the TAB 10.1 screen such that it falls below the threshold necessary to operate/detect the stylus?
The touchscreen on the Tab 10.1 definitely isn't as accurate or sensitive as the Xoom. I had both side by side for a few days before I returned my Xoom and you can definitely tell the difference.
However, I'll take the Galaxy's screen over the Xoom just from a contrast/color reproduction standpoint, so I guess there are pluses and minuses to everything.
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Apparently Tegra 2 is not able to cope with all of the open tasks,live widgets,and have enough power left to make the immediate switch to a larger screem's touch commands.
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Apparently Tegra 2 is not able to cope with all of the open tasks,live widgets,and have enough power left to make the immediate switch to a larger screem's touch commands.
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I have a XOOM as well, and it handles multitasking just fine. There is no hesitation or lack of screen sensitivity at all. I pulled it out this morning and was amazed at how much smoother the user experience is. You tap once - the screen responds - on my GTAB 10.1 I have to conciously think about every click and half the time I still have to do it twice.
S pen is not accurate i mean it dosent start from the point of touch is everovody facing this problem or is it device specific
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i experience this. It's annoying when trying to be serious with drawing. Accuracy just isn't there. Forget going over places you've already drawn on.
I updated to 2.3.6 and now is perfect
Just did some quick test, and found why some may notice this inaccuracy and others dont. Cliffs: accuracy is factored by the angle you hold the pen, combined with the angle the phone things you're going to be writing or drawing on it.
Often times when writing, things look okay. Place the phone flat on a table, and attack a drawing at various angles and things go wacky.
I believe the setting where it asks you if you're right and left-handed, is just a setting for a pre-programmed x,y offset. If you're in portrait mode, and you hold the pen at an angle they think is proper (somewhere between 0 and 40 degrees on X and 0 to -45 for Y for right-handers) then things come out fairly right. This setting really messes things up when you want to draw from different angles without adjusting the offset. You can only change this offset (which it does automatically) when orienting the phone between landscape and portrait. But what happens if you want to draw at a different angle but not change the way the phone is oriented? Things go wacky.
If the phone is flat on a desk, no matter how you rotate the phone on its Z axis, the offset stays unchanged obviously unbeknownst to the phone. It is still under the assumption that your next stroke will be from the orientation it was last in before you placed it flat. This is when things appear inaccurate. You rotate the phone to landscape, but the phone (and pen offset) is still in portrait mode. Your next stroke is way off.
So to get accurate strokes, hold the pen the way they think you should be holding it, and also make sure you're doing so on a screen that is properly oriented.
Due to the way the tech of this digitizer works, it seems we're stuck with this "feature". If we can apply this offset in real-time and not just at 0 and +/-90 degrees, but to apply it in real time throughout the whole range using the gyro then we can make it slightly better when the phone is in-hand and writing at different rotation angles. This solution won't work obviously, when the phone is flat like on a table though.
Until then, solution is to mindfully draw/write at the "correct" angle RELATIVE to the screen orientation.
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Cliffs: accuracy is factored by the angle you hold the pen, combined with the angle the phone things you're going to be writing or drawing on it.
Often times when writing, things look okay. Place the phone flat on a table, and attack a drawing at various angles and things go wacky.
But what happens if you want to draw at a different angle but not change the way the phone is oriented? Things go wacky.
Until then, solution is to mindfully draw/write at the "correct" angle RELATIVE to the screen orientation.
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These are very good observations - good work.
So in short,
1) Make sure 'handedness' is set correctly in settings (left/right handed)
2) 'write' at a ~30-45 degree angle or so.
3) You can't rotate the phone when it's on a desk. You can, however, pick up the phone, rotate it to an arbitrary angle, and then set the phone down at that angle. (easier for you to just try).
- Frank
But obviously there is bit of lag too when you touch the pen on the screen. It is difficult to draw pricesly on the note this certainly put me off.
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i have been doing quite alot of drawing on my note and i find that they could have improvement the spen much more than they have done.. i few things i find missing or just lacking
- no matter the app the pen if set for L/R handed only appears to support portrait drawing, by this i mean, i have the pen set to left handed and when i draw a line and turn the device around when in portrait the lines i draw are off set to the left of the tip of the style point by a few mm.. but as i switch my phone around to the left/upside down/right the lines are off set wrong so that u draw and the drawing is not lined with the point of the styles.. why dint they offer a half way position to solve this?
Can you draw on the left side of the screen when holding the phone on portrait mode?? Few devices as I know can't draw on the side they picked on S Pen configuration for the hand they use. On my note on left side I can't draw near the edge of the screen about 2-3mm and on right side 0-2 mm depends from the position top or bottom. Have confirm that for 4-5 devices and Samsung dissent know aka didn't know till I mailed them they are searching if it is hard or software problem
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It seems not to be working good indeed, but one thing that sorts the problem is to tilt the phone so the accelerometer detects the orientation of the screen and then draw the line, this way the tip caches the right place no matter if you draw in landscape or portrait, still its an extra step and I'm sure there must be a better solution driverwise.
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heres a pic im working on but i could have really done with being able to use the g sensor to chance the phones angle, cant wait for them to into this
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It seems not to be working good indeed, but one thing that sorts the problem is to tilt the phone so the accelerometer detects the orientation of the screen and then draw the line, this way the tip caches the right place no matter if you draw in landscape or portrait, still its an extra step and I'm sure there must be a better solution driverwise.
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Tilt the phone what do you mean? Code reset??? Done lots of them same BS each time!!!
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Hey Everyone,
I do this every now and then, wondering if everyone else does.
Let's say I'm using the phone one handed, web browsing or something and I need to reach a button on the opposite bottom corner.
Rather than stretch across the screen, I just rotate the phone 90 degrees for a second. The screen rotates, and the button is now directly under my thumb. I click it, rotate back and move on.
Yes, the Note still sucks sometimes as a one handed phone, but this does help out every now and then.
- Frank
oh thanks nice idea
another way is to curl your finger around the back of the phone...I did try this, and looks really funny if you're watching from afar
I guess I just have big hands. The way I hold the phone, I can touch everything to the right of the blue line.
Ha.. same here. I've got big hands too. One overseas colleague once asked me if that is a S2 I'm holding.
If I'm holding the phone, you can only see 1/4 of it from the back. And only 1 cm separates my thumb to the closest finger when I hold it.
This is particularly useful if you're reading in landscape.
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another trick for zooming during browsing with the stock samsung browser is to simulate 2 fingers. usually you can zoom in and out by putting them on the screen and overturn the phone.
so instead of using to fingers, just put your thumb on the left side of the screen, so that a small part of your palm touches the screen on the right, which simulates an input^^
i hope u understood what i mean
I never hold my phone 1 handed. I'm too afraid of dropping it. But I'll try your advice if I ever need to