Hello,
I got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Stolen cant track it as i did not have tracking on it and battery was empty (gps is off)
I am getting tomorrow ne phone (same)
What options are out there.
I often forget phone to desk or to mall or to car etc.
how to prevent that happening again?
I have heard that Samsung Gear watch will vibrate when it will loose connection with my Galaxy Note 3
Can i set it up this way that my watch will also vibrate and make noise (also phone?) when i am too far with my wach from phone.
Can i change the distance?
This prevents me forgetting phone somewhere when i move elsewhere?
I did also find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpQIhIky9o8
Or is there more options with similar devices?
As this proximo should exist also for android devices and not only for iphone
You could simply learn to be more responsible.
Forgetting your phone is your own fault. You're just going to have to condition yourself to not let the phone out of your hands. Done with it? Put it in your pocket.
Set up a Samsung account, you can use it to track your phone. As for gear options, no idea.
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Android Device Manager can track a phone, lock, and wipe it. It can also ring it if misplaced. It's best not to lose it, of course. You can enable it from Google Settings.
First of all ShadowLea i have not blamed anyone else that my phone got stolen. And phone WAS in my pocket.
If you have no knowledge is there any other similar devise that i mentioned above why to comment?
You think that i don't feel bad already that having my phone stolen and now you come here to point to me with ur finger and ***** that it is my fault?
Thank you for your "friendly" attitude.
If you have no idea is there any similar device then why to comment?
I have no use of this samsung tracking as when phone is stolen they will turn off phone and replace sim card so tracking device is not an option or...?
Question was will the Samsung Gear wach alarm me when i am let say 1 meeter away from phone (alarm on phone via voice and same with wach)I have heard that watch will actually vibrate?
or is there any other device Similar to devices i mentioned above.
Maby some small sticker type alarm so when phone (that has sticker or... attached) and will be too far from me it will raise an alarm.
Bit too harsh dude. He was merely giving you advise.
Cocliosttro said:
Hello,
I got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Stolen cant track it as i did not have tracking on it and battery was empty (gps is off)
I am getting tomorrow ne phone (same)
What options are out there.
I often forget phone to desk or to mall or to car etc.
how to prevent that happening again?
I have heard that Samsung Gear watch will vibrate when it will loose connection with my Galaxy Note 3
Can i set it up this way that my watch will also vibrate and make noise (also phone?) when i am too far with my wach from phone.
Can i change the distance?
This prevents me forgetting phone somewhere when i move elsewhere?
I did also find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpQIhIky9o8
Or is there more options with similar devices?
As this proximo should exist also for android devices and not only for iphone
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next time just set up android manager and set up a samsung account and use the device tracking
or if you are rooted you can use cerberus app and put it in the system app with this
the only way to remove the app its by doing a full factory recovery
if they reset the phone the app will still be install https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lsdroid.cerberus
So if user puts in his own sim card i will still have full control over that phone?
Usually phones (those new ones) have this factory reset button inside. If they press that one it will not help? As thieve can`t remove that app?
I wanted myself to push that security even further. As idea is same as that kensington has.
So for example i am in a pub. Phone is in my pocket and i am on dance floor or waiting on bar line to buy my drink or i go to toilet and i place phone for second to sink or toilet paper holder i do my things and when i start to move away from the phone or someone is stealing phone while i do not notice (those thieves are skilled and can pump in to you and say oh sorry or what ever and next thing you notice is that phone is gone.) and it will raise an alarm on my phone and on that secondary device (key holder on my pocket etc) and both devises start to make loud noise so i will notice when something like this happens.
I start to leave toilet while phone is still on the sink system will alarm as i am away from phone for example 1 meeter or thive is walking away with my phone and it will raise an alarm.
That was the point.
I have searched for many devices that can actually be useful.
But thank you for your effort to help me.
Cocliosttro said:
So if user puts in his own sim card i will still have full control over that phone?
Usually phones (those new ones) have this factory reset button inside. If they press that one it will not help? As thieve can`t remove that app?
I wanted myself to push that security even further. As idea is same as that kensington has.
So for example i am in a pub. Phone is in my pocket and i am on dance floor or waiting on bar line to buy my drink or i go to toilet and i place phone for second to sink or toilet paper holder i do my things and when i start to move away from the phone or someone is stealing phone while i do not notice (those thieves are skilled and can pump in to you and say oh sorry or what ever and next thing you notice is that phone is gone.) and it will raise an alarm on my phone and on that secondary device (key holder on my pocket etc) and both devises start to make loud noise so i will notice when something like this happens.
I start to leave toilet while phone is still on the sink system will alarm as i am away from phone for example 1 meeter or thive is walking away with my phone and it will raise an alarm.
That was the point.
I have searched for many devices that can actually be useful.
But thank you for your effort to help me.
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A few Smart watches have these features, Galaxy Gear was mentioned earlier, apparently so does the HOT watch.... One of it's features is if you leave your phone behind when it gets a certain distance away(probably 10 meters as it's bluetooth) it will vibrate and let you know about it.
As was also stated google have Android device manager. You can locate, ring or wipe and lock your phone. As long as it can be contacted through mobile internet or wifi this will work... Read how here - http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39...t-android-device-with-android-device-manager/
Avast anti theft has geo-fencing feature and a whole load of other goodies too.
I did find this topic:
http://www.inc.com/john-brandon/5-start-ups-the-samsung-galaxy-gear-might-kill.html
they write there at point 4:
4. StickNFind
This phone finder system is pretty cool. There's a leash mode that sounds an alarm if you leave your stuff behind. The thing is, if the Galaxy Gear is a big seller, there's no reason to use the stickers if your main concern is losing a phone. The Gear watch will alert you when you leave your phone behind. It even locks the screen of your phone when you walk away and unlocks when you appear again. There are a bunch of other companies who make similar finders, including the Tile app. If they're not paying attention to the Gear now, they should.
As i understand i need to get sticker for my wach and it will raise an alarm when i am too far from my phone.
ShadowLea said:
You could simply learn to be more responsible.
Forgetting your phone is your own fault. You're just going to have to condition yourself to not let the phone out of your hands. Done with it? Put it in your pocket.
Set up a Samsung account, you can use it to track your phone. As for gear options, no idea.
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illusion786 said:
Bit too harsh dude. He was merely giving you advise.
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Let's be fair, the RESPONSE was Harsh, patronizing and judgmental.
Of course it's partly fault of the user. But when someone feels the needs to state the obvious, it's usually not to be informative, but rather to glout.
The BOLDED quote is not advice, but judgmental opinion at best, and a emotional jab at worse. Now granted, while certain things deserve judgment, call it what is is, instead of cowering away and calling it "advice".
At least, hopefully, you (OP) turned on Reactivation Lock, so they can't bypass your screen lock (surely you had one) by flashing your ROM.
Don't forget to call the service provider to blacklist the IMEI so it can't be sold on the black market. This will prevent future thefts.
Yes, StickNGo is a good alternative. But it doesn't look like they have a use case required for your reversed direction location. Worth noting is that Android 4.3's Bluetooth LE stack is still buggy enough to cause usability issues and also if you notice StickNGo's indiegogo, lots of people are getting replacement tags due to some problems.
The other recommendations here are great so far. :good:
Check out cerbus. It's cheap and nice
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klau1 said:
Let's be fair, the RESPONSE was Harsh, patronizing and judgmental.
Of course it's partly fault of the user. But when someone feels the needs to state the obvious, it's usually not to be informative, but rather to glout.
The BOLDED quote is not advice, but judgmental opinion at best, and a emotional jab at worse. Now granted, while certain things deserve judgment, call it what is is, instead of cowering away and calling it "advice".
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I'm a sociopath, I don't do 'emotional'.
Yes, it was harsh. Yes, it was patronizing. Yes, it was judgemental. It was meant to be exactly that. The only way to get the point across to these kinds of people is to stop. being. polite.
You teach children at age 4 to be mindful of their possessions and to not loose their valuables. If you still don't know how to do it when you're over 12, you deserve every bit of judgement.
This is a 1000 dollar phone, not a 5 cent pen.
Start treating it for the value it has, as opposed to a cheap bit of plastic.
Cocliosttro said:
Hello,
I got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 Stolen cant track it as i did not have tracking on it and battery was empty (gps is off)
I am getting tomorrow ne phone (same)
What options are out there.
I often forget phone to desk or to mall or to car etc.
how to prevent that happening again?
I have heard that Samsung Gear watch will vibrate when it will loose connection with my Galaxy Note 3
Can i set it up this way that my watch will also vibrate and make noise (also phone?) when i am too far with my wach from phone.
Can i change the distance?
This prevents me forgetting phone somewhere when i move elsewhere?
I did also find this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpQIhIky9o8
Or is there more options with similar devices?
As this proximo should exist also for android devices and not only for iphone
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Future proof yourself. But there's a nice niche you can do to the old stolen phone... the imei on the phone... can be blacklisted... the serial on it... can be blacklisted... bam... whomever uses it is stuck with a tablet, nothing more.
Had a friend buy what was thought to be a good phone, seemed to have been blacklisted in another province in canada, and well he was sol. He blacklisted his proof of purchase s4 he traded for the other phone, but both him/them have equally good tablets now...
Blacklist it via your cell provider. See what they can do, as they still have the old information for your account.
- rmleloup
Good, I have little problem with people who have the decency of calling something what it is, instead of wasting time being disingenuous.
Here's the thing, few lessons are as memorable as those resulting from experience. If your goal was for him to learn his lesson, then I think our OP will have no problem remembering after paying $$$ for this lesson, even without the extraneous comments.
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rmleloup said:
Future proof yourself. But there's a nice niche you can do to the old stolen phone... the imei on the phone... can be blacklisted... the serial on it... can be blacklisted... bam... whomever uses it is stuck with a tablet, nothing more.
Had a friend buy what was thought to be a good phone, seemed to have been blacklisted in another province in canada, and well he was sol. He blacklisted his proof of purchase s4 he traded for the other phone, but both him/them have equally good tablets now...
Blacklist it via your cell provider. See what they can do, as they still have the old information for your account.
- rmleloup
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This is news to me, but it looks like you're right about the existence of a national blacklist. Until now, my understanding was that the Europian Union, was the only place with a national/international blacklist.
When did your "friend" lose his/her phone? Because it looks like the national blacklist was only VERY Recently implemented
READ: http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/09/30/cwta-and-its-partners-launch-gsm-blacklist-for-stolen-cellphones/
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Looks like Bluetooth LE is just not properly implemented in Android. Bluetooth LE reliant products across the board are either having serious technical issues with Android based systems or have out right declined to support the operating system.
Found at Tilesapp FAQ:
No Android support?
At this time Android does not support Bluetooth 4.0. A few Android phone manufacturers have released BLE SDKs, however they are lacking in quality and stability. At Tile, the quality of our products is of utmost importance, and until there exists an Android platform that meets our quality standards, we will not be releasing a Tile app for Android.
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ShadowLea said:
I'm a sociopath, I don't do 'emotional'.
Yes, it was harsh. Yes, it was patronizing. Yes, it was judgemental. It was meant to be exactly that. The only way to get the point across to these kinds of people is to stop. being. polite.
You teach children at age 4 to be mindful of their possessions and to not loose their valuables. If you still don't know how to do it when you're over 12, you deserve every bit of judgement.
This is a 1000 dollar phone, not a 5 cent pen.
Start treating it for the value it has, as opposed to a cheap bit of plastic.
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I have hoby named bodybuilding.
When i go to competition i have to lower my body carbon hydrate level to 6% less that level is MORE you will forget.
As it is food to brain.
I wont quit my hoby because i may loose my phone.
I will try to find solution and your comment did not help.
if somone is unfriendly to me i will reply same. How i will act will be reflected as how did you act.
With me it was always like this and it will be like this.
Other people who did comment here Thank you.
I will deffenetly look in to this Cerberus app.
I wonder will factory reset remove that.
klau1 said:
Let's be fair, the RESPONSE was Harsh, patronizing and judgmental.
Of course it's partly fault of the user. But when someone feels the needs to state the obvious, it's usually not to be informative, but rather to glout.
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The other recommendations here are great so far. :good:
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To be fair you have to admit it's entirely the fault of the user. Neither the phone nor the sink did anything wrong and I'm pretty sure the pocket didn't play a part in it either.
I agree with Lea that he needs to condition himself NOT TO FORGET THINGS. I he forgot the $1000 phone he can just as easily forget his wallet or his keys, and they can't be traced or wiped.
And dude the hobby thing plays little part in it. I'm on a 1.500 cal lc paleo diet and never forget anything. As you taught your body to burn fat and gain muscle, teach your brain to remember the important things.
Buy Cerberus app from play store. It's probably the best in the category. Factory reset and changing sim cards won't remove it if you implant it as a system app. Tracking works from a PC or via sms. It has a lot of features like sounding alarm, taking picture, locking phone, wiping phone, tracking, recording sound, recording video etc. ..
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I asked the police today about the legality of tracking etc your phone if stolen using wavesecure or similar in the UK.
The particular officer seemed to think it should not be a problem since it is your property and regardless of who's possession it's in you are allowed to track it.
The legality however of tracking its use is uncertain, their calls, SMS etc, but again, since the phoone is yours, it should not be a problem.
They are going to get in touch with me should further details arise.
It's good to know though that as long as one doesn't attempt to take the law into their own hands, you are ok with tracking your stolen phone and should, technically be able to use this data collected as evidence against the thief should you find yourself able to track them this way.
I don't know if this information is of use to anybody but I thought I would share what I discovered today.
Just because you own a webcamera for instance, doesn't make it okay to stick it into someones house and record their activities does it?
Tracking your phone, no problems at all with that. But i don't think you have any right to read their SMS, Calls. Its a touchy subject.
Just thought i'd add this to your post.
cymru said:
Just because you own a webcamera for instance, doesn't make it okay to stick it into someones house and record their activities does it?
Tracking your phone, no problems at all with that. But i don't think you have any right to read their SMS, Calls. Its a touchy subject.
Just thought i'd add this to your post.
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No, but if they steal your webcam and it happens to be set up to record all activity around it (normally related to yourself) had it not been illegally removed from its original location, you're not to blame nor at fault should it keep recording wherever they leave it, and then provide this as evidence to the police in order to recover said stolen item.
Fair point. to be honest i'm just arguing for the sake of it. Im very bored.
Why not.
Well, we could argue technicalities, my mrs is a lawyer so I'm sure she would argue it out with me all day long about how their are laws against it, but to be fair, I think the law would take your side regardless, and you could even have it permitted on a technicality (i.e. that the server is set up to automatically back up all your data, contacts and SMS for your own data security, should someone elses end up there through illegally obtaining and using your device, that's through no fault of yours.)
Yeah fair play, I know what you mean. Even if its your phone and gets stolen i've no doubt any defence will pick holes in why you were able to have access to their personal information. We all know how good the justice system can be in our country sometimes.
It's true, it's always possible you could end up wit hthe wrong persons data and instead end up with some silly sod who bought a cheap stolen phone off someone (equally as guilty i'd say, but that's a different argument), but that is why the services such as Wavesecure offer options to simply disable the phone and prompt the (new) user to call one of your preset "buddies" or 999 (or any other message/number you care to give them) in order to return the phone.
Normally though I would suggest this would be a last resort, because a thief would probably just dispose of the phone or destroy it if they find it locked as such.
You could always track it down yourself and make a citizens arrest ;-)
Section 24A of PACE '84 :-D
^Don't really do this
Yes
Indeed, it would be perfectly legal to make a Citizen's arrest under those circumstances, however, to stereotype the nature of such a person that is likely to steal a mobile phone, particularly from the area in which I live, it is quite possible and somewhat likely that they are either A) a violent criminal (mugging), B) A drug abuser (mugging) or C) Just outright violent (any other person).
P.S. The moral is that it's not a good idea to try go after it yourself, you might get hurt, or worse......your phone might.
I was literally typing 'Are you from liverpool?' when i read your location on the right
Best leave well alone lol. Let your phone be the only Hero in your partnership.
Indeed
I personally am from the Wirral, but I work and study in Liverpool, and as anyone from Liverpool will tell you, we from the Wirral are considered stuck up c**ts and to us, Liverpudlians are violent criminals, personally, my mrs is from Liverpool, maybe I just want to have a hard life
But anyway, should my phone get stolen, no doubt someone would try sell it to her sooner or later.
A) Just phone your local police and give them the location of the thief and phone, they would love the easy collar.
B) Thieves rights? don't make me laugh. If someone nicks my camera they don't have any rights to the photo's on it when I recover it. I would be more than happy to photograph their cuts and bruises as I use "reasonable force" to excecute my citizens arrest and send them to them.
C) If they do send sms from your phone, just note down the numbers and pass them on to the police too, chances are they are thieving smackheads too so might be able to arrest more!
mantracom said:
A) Just phone your local police and give them the location of the thief and phone, they would love the easy collar.
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yeah sure...
"my phone is somewhere in a 600m circle around main street 145, can you get it for me?"
"absolutely sir, two S.W.A.T. teams are already on their way!"
lol kendon Good one!
As for the issue itself, I wonder how this would go in a country with slightly more relaxed laws (US for example). There, I can really see issues where someone jumps in their pickup with their 'shooting club buddy', tracks their stolen phone using a laptop etc. from the passenger seat, and go setting about making use of the second amendment (click here if you don't happen to know amendments to the US constitution off by heart like me) on the thief (or unsuspecting buyer of the stolen goods).
To be honest, I'd have little sympathy for the thief in that case, regardless of how outnumbered they were. If you steal, you really do deserve what you get. What happened to the concept of an outlaw, where the law affords them no protection from others due to their disrespect of it?
^BTW, don't go doing that just cos you saw it here.
And, for the record, I'm actually from Britain, so maybe a pickup wouldn't be used...
alias_neo said:
Indeed, it would be perfectly legal to make a Citizen's arrest under those circumstances, however, to stereotype the nature of such a person that is likely to steal a mobile phone, particularly from the area in which I live, it is quite possible and somewhat likely that they are either A) a violent criminal (mugging), B) A drug abuser (mugging) or C) Just outright violent (any other person).
P.S. The moral is that it's not a good idea to try go after it yourself, you might get hurt, or worse......your phone might.
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hahahaha "or worse your phone might"
cymru said:
I was literally typing 'Are you from liverpool?' when i read your location on the right
Best leave well alone lol. Let your phone be the only Hero in your partnership.
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kendong2 said:
yeah sure...
"my phone is somewhere in a 600m circle around main street 145, can you get it for me?"
"absolutely sir, two S.W.A.T. teams are already on their way!"
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LOL! This thread just made my day
Anyway, let's just hope you never have to use Wavesecure.
I left my imported T9193 HD2 in a taxi/car service last night. ahhhhh! To the guy driving the black suburban - enjoy my phone. I know you have it.
My phone has a white apple sticker on the back. I liked screwing with the apple fanbois. The phone has been remote wiped.
Flushing, NY...
It's a shame the HD2 doesn't have the exploding battery technology of Apple's Ipod Nano . I'm sure the Dev's here could have modded it to be remotely detonated, this would ensure your data is safe .
HTC could have called the phone 'HIED2' lol. I'm sure sales in the middle east would have been extreme .
It's a shame the microsoft my phone gps tracker thing doesn't ever seem to work or atleast not for me it doesn't.
lookout mobile security has a device tracking system that I haven't been able to get to work. I have another program though that has worked in the past, but I can't remember the name of it.
I'll have to look for it.
Bad things happen, and I suppose that with the user base the HD2 has, it's statistically bound to happen somehow that some lose their phones.
Surely it's just me, yet when I have my valuable tech gadgets with me, somewhere which is not my house (sometimes, even in my own house/wordplace-which I own) I'm so oversensitive about it that I keep checking if it's still there even if I just checked 30seconds before.
So go figure if I were to be inside a taxi in a "black suburban" in NY; my hand would be clawed on the chassis all the time (that same hand you see in my avatar)
did you have rtconfig or any other antitheft software installed?
ephestione said:
Bad things happen, and I suppose that with the user base the HD2 has, it's statistically bound to happen somehow that some lose their phones.
Surely it's just me, yet when I have my valuable tech gadgets with me, somewhere which is not my house (sometimes, even in my own house/wordplace-which I own) I'm so oversensitive about it that I keep checking if it's still there even if I just checked 30seconds before.
So go figure if I were to be inside a taxi in a "black suburban" in NY; my hand would be clawed on the chassis all the time (that same hand you see in my avatar)
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I'm usually pretty good about hanging on to my stuff. We were coming back from a wedding and I also had my dslr that I was more paranoid about. I actually pulled my phone out and put it on the seat while I was standing outside the suburban. I was pulling out my wallet to tip the guy when one of my friends said he had already tipped him. I had turned when he called my name, so I just closed the door and walked away. Sad thing is, I hadn't had anything to drink.
Most of the time I have Microsoft's My Phone installed on my phone. I just hadn't gotten around to reinstalling it after a recent rom flash. Still trying to figure out what phone I'm going to get next. I have the Samsung galaxy, I was getting ready to return that though. The thing is laggy and the GPS sucks badly. Verizon and Sprint are out. I might go for the Dell Streak if they ever release it. I'm still sick about it. I kept coming back to the HD2, phone after phone.
Sorry to hear that, bro. My spidey sense is always tingling when I have my phone with me. I do NOT want to lose a $900 investment.
I have RemoteTracker (free) installed on my phone.
that's sad.. Sorry to hear.
yeah! it should have that option..
Auto destruct in 2,1,.. *whii*
or a text;
you (pause) are (pause) so (pause) dead!
Did you set up Microsoft Myphone to sync its location periodically?
It their anyway to force the phone to require a password in order to shut down the phone? This is a HUGE flaw that nobody seems to be focusing on. What's the point of having a security app on your smartphone if they can just shut it off and your done? Anybody feel the same way? It's like having a security system in your house and allowing anybody to simply shut it off without breaking a sweat. Are you okay with that? I messaged Lookout Mobile Security and Sent a Request which you can do so here once signing in https://www.lookout.com/help. Just click on Send a Request. Hopefully they can implement this vital feature in their security app. If theirs any smart people out their who can make this feature on their own I applaud you. Your phone will let you know where its at even if its off using Lookout online, but without out the phone screaming (a feature within Lookout that makes your phone emit a really loud sound) it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack. Click on the link and let them know you want this feature. It just makes security apps on ANY phone totally useless without this feature.
What is a thief going to do with a phone they can never turn on? Sure you can't use the security features with it off but they have to turn it back on eventually.
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What kind of logic is that? You swear a person will wait years for the thieve to turn it back on? REALLY?
joshnichols189 said:
What is a thief going to do with a phone they can never turn on? Sure you can't use the security features with it off but they have to turn it back on eventually.
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What kind of logic is that? You swear somebody will wait for years for the thieve to turn their phone back on? Really?
its written in its hardware to shutdown after holding the power button for 10 seconds, you protect your information with encryption, locks so the thief won't bother, that's all, not much you can do once they install clockworkmod, no offense
if the mobile provider does block the imei, you can just use it in another country.
google needs a database to centralize all licensed androids/imei with gmail account to lock it of its stolen or un-authorized and report it.
Well it could be used for other purposes too.
For me for instance. I drove home yesterday from work while suddenly I felt a small vibration from my pocket. Looked and it was from the phone turning off... I must have sat wrong. I'd love a "lock" to not have this happen again.
HOWEVER... there are apps known for freezing your screen (i.e. TouchControl atm).
If you get a freeze you're .... ****ed! so not sure if I'd like that, but it would be a nice feature if you feel safe that you won't get freezes.
Password to turn off phone? It's useless lol.
Take out battery?
ADB reboot?
Anyways, no matter what they're gonna have to turn the phone back on. If not, why would they steal the phone?
123456789fg said:
What kind of logic is that? You swear a person will wait years for the thieve to turn it back on? REALLY?
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I understand your issue but all you have to do to turn a phone off is long press power for around 10 seconds and it automatically shuts down. By that logic removable batteries and SD cards are incredibly dangerous as well. If a thief gets your phone and knows what they're doing, there's not much you can do to get your phone back. The reason most people have passwords on their phones is really just to stop friends messing around with things, since it's fairly unlikely someone will steal your phone if you look after it properly.
Nigeldg said:
I understand your issue but all you have to do to turn a phone off is long press power for around 10 seconds and it automatically shuts down. By that logic removable batteries and SD cards are incredibly dangerous as well. If a thief gets your phone and knows what they're doing, there's not much you can do to get your phone back. The reason most people have passwords on their phones is really just to stop friends messing around with things, since it's fairly unlikely someone will steal your phone if you look after it properly.
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Most thieves DON"T know how to do this. Either way this shouldn't stop the feature from being their. Just because somebody can means we shouldn't?
lol this is comical.
The only thing they would have to do is let the phone die within a day by the battery running out. Then they could charge it with the phone off, and proceed to thievery as normal.
If they were to implement this, I can just see the 1st thread after this 'feature' is enabled
"Help! My Phone froze and now I need an RMA"
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lol this is comical.
The only thing they would have to do is let the phone die within a day by the battery running out. Then they could charge it with the phone off, and proceed to thievery as normal.
If they were to implement this, I can just see the 1st thread after this 'feature' is enabled
"Help! My Phone froze and now I need an RMA"
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A day is more than enough to find your phone when stolen if it hasn't been "TURNED OFF" manually.
I'll tell you what's comical, the responses I hear lol
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Really? lol I could put it in a shoebox in my closet. Good luck getting a GPS read on it, and even if you did it's only accurate to 30 meters and I live in apt. complex.
So there goes that theory
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Really? lol I could put it in a shoebox in my closet. Good luck getting a GPS read on it, and even if you did it's only accurate to 30 meters and I live in apt. complex.
So there goes that theory
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What kind of shoe box we talking about? Most thieves aren't smart enough to know these things. The first thing they will do after taking it is turning it off. If it requires a password how will that be possible? I know this solution will not end world hunger or war, but what it will do is provide a bigger window in finding your phone and that's all we need. Is time not relevant to you?
#1 I treat my phone like my wallet (since it is w/ Google Wallet) which means I don't pull it out and set it on a table at a restaurant/bar, I don't hand it to people I don't know who say "hey bro can I use your phone real quick", I don't set it down at a party/friends house/anywhere. It's always in my pocket. You'd have to beat me down to get it, so slim chance of that (good luck..)
#2 Everything I do is password protected (i.e. lockscreen, Google Wallet, Play Store purchases) and I can disable Wallet remotely and change my PW to my Google account remotely.. all my pics/music are in the cloud so there's nothing to lose/steal from my phone
#3 *IF* someone was lucky enough to get their hands on my phone somehow, the last thing I would worry about is if they were able to flash/reset it quickly because chances are the amount of time you're talking about would be ~6-8 hours at best on average unless you were at 100% charge when they stole it
#4 It would cause more problems than it would solve as phones tend to freeze here and there, I guarantee *YOU* would be the only one suffering any consequence of the implementation not some theoretical thief.
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It their anyway to force the phone to require a password in order to shut down the phone? This is a HUGE flaw that nobody seems to be focusing on. What's the point of having a security app on your smartphone if they can just shut it off and your done? Anybody feel the same way? It's like having a security system in your house and allowing anybody to simply shut it off without breaking a sweat. Are you okay with that? I messaged Lookout Mobile Security and Sent a Request which you can do so here once signing in https://www.lookout.com/help. Just click on Send a Request. Hopefully they can implement this vital feature in their security app. If theirs any smart people out their who can make this feature on their own I applaud you. Your phone will let you know where its at even if its off using Lookout online, but without out the phone screaming (a feature within Lookout that makes your phone emit a really loud sound) it's like looking for a needle in a hay stack. Click on the link and let them know you want this feature. It just makes security apps on ANY phone totally useless without this feature.
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Great username, explains a lot.
123456789fg said:
What kind of shoe box we talking about? Most thieves aren't smart enough to know these things. The first thing they will do after taking it is turning it off. If it requires a password how will that be possible? I know this solution will not end world hunger or war, but what it will do is provide a bigger window in finding your phone and that's all we need. Is time not relevant to you?
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I live in an apartment, good luck getting info on which unit I'm living in.
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exb0 said:
I live in an apartment, good luck getting info on which unit I'm living in.
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I think I'll just repost this again once the smart people come back from spring break. Addios.
123456789fg said:
I think I'll just repost this again once the smart people come back from spring break. Addios.
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good luck :3
exb0 said:
good luck :3
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Don't need it.
123456789fg said:
A day is more than enough to find your phone when stolen if it hasn't been "TURNED OFF" manually.
I'll tell you what's comical, the responses I hear lol
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How dumb are you? If the phone dies there is no finding it. You don't have to turn it off manually for it to die.
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I think I'll just repost this again once the smart people come back from spring break. Addios.
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Again, are you thirteen? Spring break was last month.
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Don't need it.
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You really do need a lot of luck at this rate.
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My brand new Nexus 4 got stolen within a week of buying it while traveling in Bombay. I was hoping to get it back after lodging a police complaint and they assured me it will get traced using the IMEI number. But recently I have came across many newspaper articles saying that the IMEI number can be changed using software's from the internet.
If such is the case, aren't the IMEI numbers useless in the first place?
The new IMEI number doesn't make the phone unstable or make it share its IMEI number with any other phone?
Can phones with changed IMEI numbers be used with regular mobile networks?
Modern technology isnt making this impossible?
Can someone well versed in these issues answer these questions?
Thanks
I'm pretty sure changing the IMEI number would be illegal.
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Devhux said:
I'm pretty sure changing the IMEI number would be illegal.
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So is stealing the device in the first place! The thief won`t care for that. As discussions about changing Imei numbers are not allowed on XDA that doesn`t mean there isn`t some dark app/software around to change the Imei though.
Is illegal and you would have to have some sort of access to be able to change it
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there are many softwares avb thru which the IMEI can be changed. But adding extra digits to the IMEI number or having two phones with the same IMEI number not make the phone useless? can the telephone companies not read these type of phones?
In India the success rate of phones getting recovered is merely 2%. There are many shops in seedy places where thieves can get the phones wiped or get the IMEI changed. Manufacturers need to come up with better solutions to prevent theft or make the phone unusable once stolen. If they expect people to buy such expensive phones, it wouldnt hurt them to make them more secure and in turn safe guarding our costly indulgence.
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In India the success rate of phones getting recovered is merely 2%. There are many shops in seedy places where thieves can get the phones wiped or get the IMEI changed. Manufacturers need to come up with better solutions to prevent theft or make the phone unusable once stolen. If they expect people to buy such expensive phones, it wouldnt hurt them to make them more secure and in turn safe guarding our costly indulgence.
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I'm sure it's possible for them to make the phone trackable as long as the phone has charge. Eg, a small chip that is ALWAYS on to enable 24/7 GPS tracking.
Although that's nice, people would complain about privacy. They would say the manufacturers are tracking them and soon there will be some illuminati or political war going on with the manufacturer.
Is it possible? Very likely.
Will people like it? Yes and No.
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I'm sure it's possible for them to make the phone trackable as long as the phone has charge. Eg, a small chip that is ALWAYS on to enable 24/7 GPS tracking.
Although that's nice, people would complain about privacy. They would say the manufacturers are tracking them and soon there will be some illuminati or political war going on with the manufacturer.
Is it possible? Very likely.
Will people like it? Yes and No.
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Thats a good idea. and Privacy-shrivacy! People who make a big deal about privacy should pay everyone who loses their phone and then cant track it.
Also, manufacturers have done away with a tiny slot that you could used to tie a cord around. I feel tying your phone to your trousers is the only way not to lose your phone in India. We are packed like sardines here when we use the public transport and thats the only way to secure your phone.
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I'm sure it's possible for them to make the phone trackable as long as the phone has charge. Eg, a small chip that is ALWAYS on to enable 24/7 GPS tracking.
Although that's nice, people would complain about privacy. They would say the manufacturers are tracking them and soon there will be some illuminati or political war going on with the manufacturer.
Is it possible? Very likely.
Will people like it? Yes and No.
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Wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing that, atleast American carrier locked phones. But then it would be detected by engineers by examining the motherboard? Although it's not necessary with network and software capability like Carrier IQ and Prism.
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Thats a good idea. and Privacy-shrivacy! People who make a big deal about privacy should pay everyone who loses their phone and then cant track it.
Also, manufacturers have done away with a tiny slot that you could used to tie a cord around. I feel tying your phone to your trousers is the only way not to lose your phone in India. We are packed like sardines here when we use the public transport and thats the only way to secure your phone.
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Pretty annoyed by people who keep whining about privacy as well. Germany is probably the worst worldwide right now when it comes to such people. Like a while back, when they all complained about Google Streetview and set them back via lawsuits and politics several times. Now it was only passed when people were able so request their houses(!) to be pixelated. I mean srsly, it's not like it's their faces or licence plates, it's just some outer walls, every one can see when driving by themselves! Anyway, that's why there isn't much Streetview going on here right now (Google probably got tired of it). And it's just one of many annoying examples.
But back to topic: I think Google is doing some good first steps in the anti-theft and recovery direction with the Device manager. Now it just has to work for me...
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Thats a good idea. and Privacy-shrivacy! People who make a big deal about privacy should pay everyone who loses their phone and then cant track it.
Also, manufacturers have done away with a tiny slot that you could used to tie a cord around. I feel tying your phone to your trousers is the only way not to lose your phone in India. We are packed like sardines here when we use the public transport and thats the only way to secure your phone.
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Nope. I actually don't like "big brother" tracking me down.
So what if you can track it? I might be able to track it down to a condo, so how are you gonna know who took the phone?
I doubt the police would make a raid JUST FOR A PHONE.
Yes I know, I've been to India. Yep, I agree on this one. I do want a strap.
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Wouldn't be surprised if they're already doing that, atleast American carrier locked phones. But then it would be detected by engineers by examining the motherboard? Although it's not necessary with network and software capability like Carrier IQ and Prism.
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If they were, engineers would see it.
No, with software it's easily wipeable. If the nexus 4 came with a tracking app named TRACK (for an example) , I can just take the phone, wipe it and install cyanogenmod on it. There you go, the app "TRACK" will be gone. Software side would be useless. If i'm not mistaken cerberus suffers from the same problem. It's a software. I'm sure you can wipe it.
Bottom line is, unless manufacturers make a HARDWARE that lets you track it, there's no full proof way of tracking it. Even then, it's hard to convict someone of stealing your phone.
In case you're thinking that I don't understand your pain of losing a nexus 4, trust me when I say I do. I lost my nexus 4 IN SCHOOL about 2 weeks go.
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Nope. I actually don't like "big brother" tracking me down.
So what if you can track it? I might be able to track it down to a condo, so how are you gonna know who took the phone?
I doubt the police would make a raid JUST FOR A PHONE.
Yes I know, I've been to India. Yep, I agree on this one. I do want a strap.
If they were, engineers would see it.
No, with software it's easily wipeable. If the nexus 4 came with a tracking app named TRACK (for an example) , I can just take the phone, wipe it and install cyanogenmod on it. There you go, the app "TRACK" will be gone. Software side would be useless. If i'm not mistaken cerberus suffers from the same problem. It's a software. I'm sure you can wipe it.
Bottom line is, unless manufacturers make a HARDWARE that lets you track it, there's no full proof way of tracking it. Even then, it's hard to convict someone of stealing your phone.
In case you're thinking that I don't understand your pain of losing a nexus 4, trust me when I say I do. I lost my nexus 4 IN SCHOOL about 2 weeks go.
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The point is to make stealing phones difficult. If the police raid a couple of times, the thieves would think that its useless stealing phones, since they get tracked and would discourage them from this practice. Till the someone found an IMEI loophole, im guessing phone theft would be on decline too. For eg: Modern cars. Since the chip installed in the Key. Car theft has gone down considerably.
Also, were not really upset upon losing your Nexus 4? What steps did you take to get it back, if at all?
I was hoping mine would get recovered eventually. But i have lost all hope.
I wish the thief gets slow roasted in hell.
I am starting to think that I am not going to use Android L.
Look at this. So, Search, from thegreatestdataminingcompanytheworldhaseverknown is now metasticized throughout the Android OS. Every page, every app, calls out to thatsearchengineeveryoneuses. It's even listening when the phone's OFF! I'll say that again: it's listening all the time. And there's no way to disable it! Coming from Intelligence, and as I've never trusted them, I've always deinstalled most G**gle apps, but now it appears their creepy circus-colored fingers have permeated throughout.
I realise that my point of view will strike many Upright Citizens as shocking because, after all, 'we can trust them'. All I can say is, our public education system has failed us. (Hint: If you are not paying for a product...
... you are the product)
Time for me to start looking into Linux options. Failing that, I'll just stick with Carbon 4.4.4, which serves fine. Oh, I'll probably try Andriod L, but I'm pretty sure now of what I'll find.
Interesting read. I never trusted them when it comes to your data and listening. Lol
If they want to watch me look at tits and asses, so be it
And the Moto X has had always on listening since release, better just throw the phone away and get a dumb phone...
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How do they decide who to listen too? That's a lot of people to eavesdrop on. ?
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It's even listening when the phone's OFF! I'll say that again: it's listening all the time. And there's no way to disable it! Coming from Intelligence, and as I've never trusted them, I've always deinstalled most G**gle apps, but now it appears their creepy circus-colored fingers have permeated throughout
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Reading that post says to me that the phone listens when the screen is off, not when the phone itself is off.
There are also options to turn off the "search from any screen" feature.
So I guess I am not quite as paranoid as you, yet.
Maybe that's why fewer devices have removable batteries; so we can't turn them off all the way.
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murso74 said:
If they want to watch me look at tits and asses, so be it
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You have a misconception of your importance. This, you were trained into though, so you come by it honestly.
Darth said:
How do they decide who to listen to? That's a lot of people to eavesdrop on.
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Doesn't matter. With a security mindset you assume it's always you. Ask Schnier.
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Quantumstate said:
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It's even listening when the phone's OFF! I'll say that again: it's listening all the time. And there's no way to disable it! Coming from Intelligence, and as I've never trusted them, I've always deinstalled most G**gle apps, but now it appears their creepy circus-colored fingers have permeated throughout
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Reading that post says to me that the phone listens when the screen is off, not when the phone itself is off.
There are also options to turn off the "search from any screen" feature.
So I guess I am not quite as paranoid as you, yet.
Maybe that's why fewer devices have removable batteries; so we can't turn them off all the way.
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Ya, but what proof do we have at this point that it's not listening when actually -off-? I have none. (ref: OnStar) If you deal in sensitive matters, would you give them the credit? I wouldn't.
Looking into this, I find there is no viable Linux alternative, as we used to have with Opie. So either I block everything G**gle with an independent app like Android Firewall, or do with 4.4.4.
Oh no! Now everyone will know about my life because I'm super-important.
I'm not going to even try to say that Google does no wrong and doesn't use most of the data we send to it for advertising, but they don't listen to you, the phone does.
The phone listens for certain frequencies of sound in certain orders, if it doesn't see those, it keeps looking. It doesn't record every single thing said and send it to Google, it only sends what you say to it (everything past "OK Google").
It's the same way a button works. Nothing records when a button isn't pressed, but things records when it is.
As for the rest of Google, they do make their living off of a free service, what more can you expect? I'd rather pay for a no ad version of their stuff instaid, but untill that's possible, that's just the way it works if you want those beautiful services.
i really couldnt give a flying hoot nannies @#$% about that i have got absolutely nothing to hide. i read an artical a while back that the CIA tracks anybody who is "tor curious" hi CIA i really dont care if you're reading this because im on you internet monitoring list or whatever. i am not doign anything that i dont have the right to do. Damn i love the US. anyhow if your concerned about that what about this than?
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You have a misconception of your importance. This, you were trained into though, so you come by it honestly.
Doesn't matter. With a security mindset you assume it's always you. Ask Schnier.
Ya, but what proof do we have at this point that it's not listening when actually -off-? I have none. (ref: OnStar) If you deal in sensitive matters, would you give them the credit? I wouldn't.
Looking into this, I find there is no viable Linux alternative, as we used to have with Opie. So either I block everything G**gle with an independent app like Android Firewall, or do with 4.4.4.
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It's simple my friend...... A smartphone is not for you then. Get an old flip phone and no one will spy on you. ?
No tablet or computers with cameras or microphones either.
New cars have Bluetooth... Not good.
Some TV's and video game consoles have cameras. Gone.
Can't think of anything else just yet. ?
Yeah.. it's not recording and streaming everything you say. The always listening feature isn't going to decipher everything you say until it matches the hot word, that would kill your battery. It's only kicks in when it detects multiple tones in a certain order.. I don't even know why I'm typing this, think what you want dude, that's not how it works. Keep your conspiracy theories to yourself.
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I'm not going to even try to say that Google does no wrong and doesn't use most of the data we send to it for advertising, but they don't listen to you, the phone does.
The phone listens for certain frequencies of sound in certain orders, if it doesn't see those, it keeps looking. It doesn't record every single thing said and send it to Google, it only sends what you say to it (everything past "OK Google").
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The phone has a co-processor which is independent of the main system. Sure, its main function is to watch for keywords and instigate searches based on commands, but it can also be co-opted. I'm not saying any more because apparently I'm frightening a few people here who don't want to face it.
Darth said:
It's simple my friend...... A smartphone is not for you then. Get an old flip phone and no one will spy on you. ?
No tablet or computers with cameras or microphones either.
New cars have Bluetooth... Not good.
Some TV's and video game consoles have cameras. Gone.
Can't think of anything else just yet. ?
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Nice trivializing there, Darth. Of course I've hardened what I have, and since this is such a touchy subject I'm not giving any hints. You have no idea who I am or why I bring this up.
You guys just blithely hand over all your contacts, your network of friends, your calendar, the websites you visit, your searches, your location 24x7, hell your very phone calls. I feel sorry for younger people these days who have no idea that all their online activity will follow them around -forever-. The stupid things they say online, being victimized by bullies, all will follow them to every future job application, every romantic engagement, and their future neighbors will know more about them than they can imagine. And I feel sorry for those whose self-esteem is so low that they feel worthless.
You just have no idea what prostrating yourself to the authorities like this, means. You have no idea what it was like in East Germany or Soviet Russia, much less where we're headed. You've never read 1984 or Fahrenheit 451. And you will pay the price by a subtle enslavement which is too abstract for you to understand, without an education. Something will smell bad but you will never be able to figure out what it is nor do something about it.
I am not here to bicker or school you. I was just trying to do y'all a favor by giving you a perspective that you may not have seen, with everyone so anxious to be "licking your lollipops". I tried to help, but some of you are too cool for me.
Thanks for that. Maybe you should unmask yourself and make a proper point rather than misguiding, misinterpreting and mistakenly telling everyone that they are stupid. Oh yes, and telling everyone what they may or may not have read (wrong on both counts).
Where did you get your education? Were you ever told to think for yourself? Let's go back over that last one again, as modernity tends to gloss it... Were you ever told to think for yourself?
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^ completely agree
Yes, I know. I'm the bad guy, lol.
See, this is why no one any longer shares any real information with you on The Internets. You feel frightened of what you are doing when I demonstrate why... and so you senselessly take it out on -me- rather than getting your own sh*t together. Good job there.
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Oh yes, and telling everyone what they may or may not have read (wrong on both counts).
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Don't lie. No one will believe you after a while.
Remember, privacy is an inherent human right, and a requirement for maintaining the human condition with dignity and respect.
Cardinal Richelieu understood the meaning of surveillance when he famously said, "If one would give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest man, I would find something in them to have him hanged." Watch someone long enough, and you will find something to arrest -- or just blackmail -- with. Privacy is important because without it, surveillance information will be abused: to peep, to sell to marketers and to spy on political enemies -- whoever they happen to be at the time.
We do nothing wrong when we make love or go to the bathroom. (the adults here, anyway) We are not deliberately hiding anything when we seek out private places for reflection or conversation. We keep private journals, sing in the privacy of the shower, and write letters to secret lovers and then burn them. Privacy is a basic human need.
If we are observed in all matters, we are constantly under threat of correction, judgment, criticism, even plagiarism of our own uniqueness. We become children, fettered under watchful eyes, constantly fearful that --either now or in the uncertain future-- patterns we leave behind will be brought back to implicate us, by whatever authority has now become focused upon our once-private and innocent acts. We lose our individuality, because everything we do is observable and recordable.
How many of the adults present have paused during conversation in the past four-and-a-half years, suddenly aware that we might be eavesdropped on? Probably it was a phone conversation, although maybe it was an e-mail or instant-message exchange or a conversation in a public place. Maybe the topic was terrorism, or politics, or Islam. We stop suddenly, momentarily afraid that our words might be taken out of context, then we laugh at our paranoia and go on. But our demeanor has changed, and our words are subtly altered.
This is the loss of freedom we face when our privacy is taken from us. This is life in former East Germany, or life in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. And it's our future as we allow an ever-intrusive eye into our personal, private lives.
Liberty requires security without intrusion, security plus privacy. Widespread surveillance is the very definition of a police state. And that's why educated people must champion privacy even when we have nothing to hide.
The level of stupid in this thread astounds me. If someone wants your information or something of yours, they're going to get it. It doesn't matter if your phone is always listening or not.
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'Good job' there, eh, "imnuts".
Giving up is not the answer.
i love how, when everyone doesn't jump on this tools bandwagon, he turns on the forums.
Op is as a TROLL!
Thread is ridiculous!