1200x800 - Really that bad? I don't think so. - Nexus 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hello guys.
Since the second Nexus came out the first one has been degraded too much, IMHO.
On the other hand now you can find it a very attractive price :angel:
So my question is..
Is it really THAT slow compared to the new one?
Is 1200x800 really THAT bad resolution?
I don't think so.
What do you guys think?

It's all marketing.
If you pay attention, you'll notice that 23" up to 27" LCD displays use 1080p resolution, the same as 5" phones, and 22" displays are even less. New 15" laptops use 1366*768, which is less then 5" phones. Honestly speaking, I'd rather see a 4K screen for 250€ then a phone with such resolution. And your eyes can't really distinguish between 720p or 4K on the phone, unless you look at the screen from 1cm or with a magnifier (which they actually do in tests).
Okay you can tell the difference I suppose, but even 1280*800 is great resolution for 7", anything more, and you need a more powerful chip to run the graphics, with more power comes more power consumption and unless you fit in a bigger battery, you lose battery life. I'd rather see they stop focusing on bringing ridiculous resolutions on small screens and focus on battery life. I'd sacrifice some resolution and performance for 1 week battery life (1 month standby)

I think you're right.
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Seriously, I can't believe what marketing did to this device.
First of all, my Nexus 7 2012 is as fast as ever. Trust me, when it comes to loading apps, surfing the internet, whatever, you can barely tell the difference between N7 2012 or say Galaxy S4 (it's the only latest gen device I have in my vicinity, but it doesn't differ from N7 2013). The screen is OK. I don't know why people think that as soon as a new device with a screen which has over 300ppi comes out, that the generation before suddenly gets a Minecraft screen. I like it, there is really no problems with it, if you really pay attention you can see the pixels but barely, the screen is crisp. I'm not sure if you remember, but when Nexus 7 2012 came out, Google praised its screen for being "very crisp and high res, perfect for reading" in their ads, now they are doing the same with 2013, making an impression that 2012 is s**t. Same goes with speed.
I really feel no need to upgrade to 2013, this thing is just as capable. The only thing is Google's idiotic treatment towards us - making every non-Nexus 5 user wait a few more weeks for the update.

For the first time since its release I got to play with the second edition N7 and I must admit to being disappointed by my first impressions. I would like to think that the differences which could be important to me might be there, if I actually owned one, but I couldn't be bothered to keep using it. Overall it has both pleased me that my own 16GB first edition N7 is as good for my use as the second and then also I'm kinda disappointed as there are so few reasons for me to "upgrade".
I couldn't tell the difference in the screen resolution, but then again maybe if I have to look too closely it probably means that there isn't much.
My wife has just bought a Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet, being sold new relatively cheap, and the quad core CPU with 2GB RAM and a very beautiful screen is indeed a pleasure to use. As noted the screen is crisp, vivid and very bright, and I would have sooner have bought one of those over that of the newer N7, if I felt the need to change.
just to mention that my father in law recently bought a Nexus 10 and to be frank I prefer the bright, crisp and vivid Samsung Note that my wife has over his. Understanding that the Note "only" runs at 1280x800 says something about the quality of the screen on the Samsung.

I think that the only real thing you can feel in terms if difference is the RAM amount.
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The screen isn't bad at all..

Why are people complaining?
Nothing is bad with the screen! I can see everything just fine!
Grab it and put it beside an ipad
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This is an HD screen so good in appearance, but if you compare screens with say the tf700 or even my 1080p phone screen you begin to understand just how much difference there really is. 400 ppi or higher makes everything sharp and clear. Letters pop out, and images are clear and vibrant. Even the simple act of forum reading is enhanced at 1080p 400+ ppi. There is no real comparison, true high def is simply better. While this screen is adequate it doesnt sing, 400 ppi is a Symphony.
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Why are people complaining?
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Because Internet.
gock said:
Grab it and put it beside an ipad
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True. But it really isn't bad per se. The only area where it's really noticable is text but to make text more readable rather than make it bigger I turn up the brightness. In the days of 440+PPI displays 147PPI isn't anything to write home about. But like OP said, that doesn't make it "bad." It's certainly livable.
BarryH_GEG said:
True. But it really isn't bad per se. The only area where it's really noticable is text but to make text more readable rather than make it bigger I turn up the brightness. In the days of 440+PPI displays 147PPI isn't anything to write home about. But like OP said, that doesn't make it "bad." It's certainly livable.
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Wacom displays cost lots more than standard displays. Higher Res equal much more cash.
What tablet had 400+ ppi when this was launched?
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What tablet had 400+ ppi when this was launched?
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Tf700
I have no problems with it too but that may be coz I don't have a comparison to make. I read somewhere the resolution is limited due to wacom. But I doubt that's the main reason, since even the recent galaxy tab 3 kept the low resolution. I can't help but fear the next note 10.1 will be the same. But how about using the Sony xperia ultra screen technology on this? Works with any pen input
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. But how about using the Sony xperia ultra screen technology on this? Works with any pen input
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Because it costs money to buy off Sony... Why pay a competitor when you have good tech yourself....
We have become a bit spoilded with screen resolution anf ppi, every year the ppi gets denser and denser , personally at 340+ ppi I can't see the pixels with my naked eyes why one would need a ppi of 400 + is more for the company to get people to buy the latest product from them
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Agreed. And the worse is consumers suffer due to the compromise on battery life.
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Agreed. And the worse is consumers suffer due to the compromise on battery life.
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Exactly, when I first read about the screen I realized that if I'm going to be taking notes on this thing all day and then some (which as a college engineering student I DO), that if the screen was something like Super AMOLED or Retina Display, the tablet's battery wouldn't last me through the day.
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We have become a bit spoilded with screen resolution anf ppi, every year the ppi gets denser and denser , personally at 340+ ppi I can't see the pixels with my naked eyes why one would need a ppi of 400 + is more for the company to get people to buy the latest product from them
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1 getting the most for my money is important. Thats not being spoiled that is using your brain
2 this tablet is no where near 340 ppi. in fact it is 149 ppi. samsung is way behind in screen tech
3 everyone is not the same so some will be on the high end of normal and see 440 ppi
4 battery life will not suffer if you use the latest processor's from this year, in fact it will increase
5 watching movies and or videos in 1080p 400+ ppi is a superior experience
6 at our current ppi text is sometimes crappy and always dull. At 400 it is not so hard on my old eyes to read.
As ive said before I like this tablet a lot, and for the most part i even like touch wiz. if however samsung doesnt get with the times this year with the plethora of 1080 screens and 3gb ram, 2+Ghz machines coming out Q4 this year and Q1 next year I will gladly give my money away to another. Samsung has in the past been on the cutting edge and I think they most likely will be this year as well, so I expect we will see a 1080p unit that I will adore. This was the best overall machine when i bought it imho because when you factor the power of the cpu, battery life and smooth running rom plus stylus the only detractor was the screen. That said its a new year and I expect more from the next generation or I will simply reserve my money for a unit that tops my current note 10.1. That could be asus or sony, or anyone. Im not a fanboy, i put my money where i get the best value on the highest end of tech.
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1 getting the most for my money is important. Thats not being spoiled that is using your brain
2 this tablet is no where near 340 ppi. in fact it is 149 ppi. samsung is way behind in screen tech
3 everyone is not the same so some will be on the high end of normal and see 440 ppi
4 battery life will not suffer if you use the latest processor's from this year, in fact it will increase
5 watching movies and or videos in 1080p 400+ ppi is a superior experience
6 at our current ppi text is sometimes crappy and always dull. At 400 it is not so hard on my old eyes to read.
As ive said before I like this tablet a lot, and for the most part i even like touch wiz. if however samsung doesnt get with the times this year with the plethora of 1080 screens and 3gb ram, 2+Ghz machines coming out Q4 this year and Q1 next year I will gladly give my money away to another. Samsung has in the past been on the cutting edge and I think they most likely will be this year as well, so I expect we will see a 1080p unit that I will adore. This was the best overall machine when i bought it imho because when you factor the power of the cpu, battery life and smooth running rom plus stylus the only detractor was the screen. That said its a new year and I expect more from the next generation or I will simply reserve my money for a unit that tops my current note 10.1. That could be asus or sony, or anyone. Im not a fanboy, i put my money where i get the best value on the highest end of tech.
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Your right getting the most bang for our your buck is important, that being said the note was on par with most of the Android tablets out there. I don't know much about how much more power it would use but i have heard that the nexus 10 that share a lot of the same hardware as the note has problems with stutter with some of the games that the note has no problem with. Text is a bit hard to read at times but there are ways to adjust it from within the browser or reader app you are using. Would I like a higher ppi, yes am I gonna complain about nope love the note and the s pen makes up for up for all of any shortcomings
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I totally agree with the OP. Screen isn't bad at all just that the text is a little hard at times, but nothing zooming in won't fix. I actually sold me Nexus 10 and got this device :laugh:. I have no regrets what so ever. I find myself using this tablet more than I did with the Nexus 10 because of its functionality. All the Nexus 10 got was a nice screen and that's it plus it had something called "Surface flinger" and memory leaks which makes the tablet extremely slow. The Note 10.1 works flawlessly.

New Nexus 7 (N7B) underwhelms

Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
Do you know what, whilst I'm very excited about the New N7 and will be doing whatever I can to trade my 1st gen in for a 2nd gen, you raise some very good points.
1 - I totally agree that Google have yet again taken away from us what we all asked for (HDMI) and fit it with yet another random port (Slimport) that needs a special cable as you stated.
2 - I think improving the screen is a good thing, but again a 7 inch 720p is probably sufficient, atleast they don't try and look cool and call it a "Retina" and hope that everyone thinks its special because it has a weird name.
3 - The price point however is something that I personally won't fault Google on, when the first N7 came out it was almost unbelievable and yet to this day my N7 runs like a dream.
Some very good points you've raised!
It hasn't even come out yet. We don't know if these things being leaked are 100%
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It will perform well....whatever you say y'all!
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Is there a 7" android tablet out with better specs?
Not that I am aware of, so why you complaining? Its $230, you are basically getting a super sized N4 for $120 less. Sounds like a steal to me, sure the current specs will be out done by someone else sooner, but who really cares chances are you are just going to selling the 2nd gen at some point and buy the 3rd gen.
Point is this is def an upgrade over the 1st gen tablet.
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Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
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Just wondering.. Do you even have a nexus 7?
Google changed everything with the nexus 7 and the new model only improves things. It is a great device and there is nothing that compares in its price range. The 7 is a world above the kindle. I have owned both. The kindle I gave away and the 7 I loved. I only sold it because I knew a new model is coming.
I really don't understand the negativity here. Still on the SD slot thing? I think people who need to store 80 gigs on a phone or tablet are living in the past. Nobody can use 80 gigs during a day. Much of the space is just filled with junk.. It really isn't needed. Shall there is a 32 gig model. Surely that had to be enough.
You are entitled to your choice but personally I could give a crap about an sd card on a device that is faster than hell and cheaper too. It is a quality device and durable too. All around great device..
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One more thing.. Small tablets are not " held in portrait" .. Can be held and viewed either way for different things. Obviously you know this but just saying.. The 7 is very hands friendly and the bezel is not a problem. This is why I asked if you had one because if you did you would know how comfortable it is to use and hold onto.
Also... The majority of people buying a 7 inch tablet don't care about miracast or even an HDMI port. It would be nice but I don't think it would be worth another $100 or what ever they would have to charge for it..
As for the display.. I doubt the new nexus will be slower. There was much resources to spare on the last model. And the higher res is just the trend these days. I don't mind it at all and if they did not do it I'm sure it would have been on your list of negatives.
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e.mote said:
Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
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I for one CAN see the grains in text on the old Nexus and just barely in text even on the Retina iPads. So I DO need a device with the ppi the new Nexus 7 is promising and I also wanted it no bigger or heavier than the old Nexus 7 . That was the only feature I was really hoping for, so I will be very happy with the new Nexus 7.
I don't understand where people get the idea to use 7 inch Android devices in portrait mode? Unless you are reading an ebook or using a phone app, portrait mode usually gives you tiny text, and just turning it to landscape tremendously improves user experience. And if you do use it in portrait, you can hold it like a phone, it is narrow enough so it can be held in one hand (unlike an iPad mini, unless you have gigantic hands). You need bezels when you hold it in landscape, and guess what? Those bezels are there so you can do that comfortably too. I already have a 10 inch and an 8 inch Android tablet. I gave away my old Nexus 7, but I am buying the new Nexus BECAUSE of its size, bezels and resolution. There are many choices out there. If the Nexus doesn't offer what you want, there are other devices for you to choose from. If you want a grainy screen and big bezels with a larger screen look at the Samsung tablets. My Note 8 fits that description but is still perfect for work since its primary purpose is taking notes. I still want the Nexus 7 at home anyway, because for me, outside of work, it is a much better fit.
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Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
N7B will be slower than N4, since it has to push 1080p vs N4's 720p (more precisely, 2.25x pixels).
Given all the hype and hope of Miracast last November, and the bitter disappointment when both N7 & N10 couldn't have it, I was expecting that it would be a major feature on this second wave of Nexus tabs. But alas, it apparently isn't to be. Instead, we get the "Slimport" which is yet another proprietary port that require a custom cable. Why not micro-HDMI?
Of all the features that can be upgraded/added, "Moar Pixels" is probably the last on my list. Was there ever any complaint of the N7 screen being too grainy? Can you actually see a diff between 720p and 1080p on a 7"? But we get moar pixos anyway, along with a price bump and probably worse battery life and performance. One would've thought Google learned this lesson with the N10.
The OG N7's main appeal was that it was low-priced, but with reasonable quality and decent specs. It was the Kindle Killer. But now as OEMs come out with cheaper & better tabs (eg Sero 7 Pro), N7B is tacking upwind with a more expensive tablet, with no meaningful new functionality, and the same fault that afflicts all Nexus toys: no SD slot.
No doubt this post won't win any popularity contest, given the usual launch frenzy for new Google toys. But someone has to point out that the emperor is wearing his birthday suit.
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Pushing a higher res doesn't necessarily mean it's slower. The Adreno 320 is a beast, and the N7B pulls a higher framerate than the current N4 on benchmarks, from what I can tell. Also, the Snapdragon S4 Pro can run up to 3 instructions per clock cycle, whereas older Snapdragons can run 2. This means 2 things. One - it can perform better than processors at the same clock rate, as it is 50% more efficient, and two - it will actually save battery, as more commands can be run on a lower clock rate, so you don't need to push the processor. UNDERCLOCKED to 1.2ghz...on paper, slower than the current N7, it will perform like a Snapdragon at 1.8ghz...alot of power for the given speed. Hell, if I get one, the first thing I'm doing is using the CyanogenMod performance controls to underclock it. It's helluva more powerful than I need.
Wouldn't it be more wise to compare the Nexus 7 2nd Gen to the original Nexus 7 along with similar form factor in terms of performance than a phone?
The Adreno 320 is capable of running 1920x1200 fine.
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The s4 pro with 2gh of ram is BARELY phased at all by a 720p display at 1.5ghz (even as low as 1ghz) so if the nexus 7 ii runs a s4 pro at 1.7ghz and has 2-3gb ram, it will be fine
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Small tabs are usually held in portrait, so the narrow vertical bezel will make it harder to hold, unless 4.3 does what iOS did and void the touch zones along the edges.
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the touch zones are necessary on the ipad mini because it's too wide to comfortably palm. on a device that is more narrow you should be palming it and the fingers would be touching the sides not the front of the device. it isn't any difference than holding a phone which is smaller. so the idea is the more at rest your hand is and more light the device the less fatigue while holding it over time
If you use a DUMB launcher that doesn't support multitouch (only registers last input) then you could get away with small bevels. But Android doesn't have Dumb launchers. Our launchers utilize multi-finger gestures, pinch/zoom, sliding, edge support, etc.
So Android needs bezels unless you dumb down the launchers and other apps.
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If you use a DUMB launcher that doesn't support multitouch (only registers last input) then you could get away with small bevels. But Android doesn't have Dumb launchers. Our launchers utilize multi-finger gestures, pinch/zoom, sliding, edge support, etc.
So Android needs bezels unless you dumb down the launchers and other apps.
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I don't understand this reasoning. You shouldn't be clawing the device in portrait where fingers are touching the screen. It causes fatigue. It does in fact have a bezel just a smaller one which likely accounts for any finger overhang. Maybe it infringes on the way some people prefer to hold their device or have particularly large hands that cause more overhang but I think some of these people should try to learn how to palm because the hand is in more of a resting state than pinching or claw grips (it remains to be seen how the new back material supports palming as the current material is very effective at preventing slipping when holding a device loosely)
Don't know why there would be negativity about the new Nexus. In comparison, even of the Old Nexus 7, or say the Transformer Infinity (TF700) with the 1920x1200 screen as well with the Tegra 3 in it, from benchmarks, the new N7-2 crushes the old Tegra 3 CPU/GPU and the craptastic NAND to go with the tablets.
Myself owning a TF700 and trying the Nexus 7 before returning it because of the same faults. this looks like to fit the bill. High res screen, good performance and should be better on the battery life than that of the Tegra 3 devices since they sucked power and then some.
It could of shipped with the new exynos 5420 octa-core and people would still find something to ***** about.
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It could of shipped with the new exynos 5420 octa-core and people would still find something to ***** about.
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They would cause that is a really closed SOC. That's why most people on xda prefer the GE S4 over the regular octa one.
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There is nothing wrong with this SOC, there is nothing wrong with this device. The price is still extremely cheap, at $229 for the 16GB. Same specs as the N4, but cheaper and with a better display?
You don't have to upgrade your currently N7 if you don't want to.
>Is there a 7" android tablet out with better specs?
Yes. The specs that matter to most people--storage expandability, HDMI-out--are indeed offered by many non-Nexus tablets, even the cheapies. As said, I didn't see any outcry for 1080p in a 7" panel, or another proprietary video-out port.
We'll know how the S4 Pro handles 1080p soon enough. It's the exact same SoC in N4, which had to push only 720p. Those familiar with the N10 should still remember how everyone lauded the (then new) Exynos 5 chip, only to find out that it can barely power the N10's 1440p res.
With respect to this morning's "breakfast" announcement, Chromecast similarly disappoints as it's yet another proprietary protocol/widget, and Miracast is now seemingly ignored. Chromecast is limited to 2.4GHz, not the wider bandwidth of 5GHz, let alone WiGig & similar. Really?? Where's 802.11ac support? Not sure what Google is thinking of here with all these inferior proprietary tech.
As for 4.3, it's a wash since it'll be available to all Nexus toys--and in a week, all toys that use CM and 3rd-party ROMs. But as with all the things announced today, 4.3 likewise underwhelms with fairly minor incremental improvements.
>It is a great device and there is nothing that compares in its price range.
Yes, because most 7" tablets have now dropped to the $150 range, including the 16GB OG N7, the Asus MeMo Pad HD 7, and the Hisense Sero 7 Pro. All are good all-around performers, and except for the OG N7, the others have expandable storage. Sero has HDMI-out and MeMo has Miracast. In comparison, the N7B is $80 higher, or more than 50% more expensive than the competition.
Walmart sells the Sero line, which equates to strong distribution that the N7 will never reach. The Asus MeMo should have similar availability.
This isn't to say that the N7B is a bad tablet. Obviously, it improves on the specs of the OG N7, but the improvements aren't meaningful to the average user, and the +50% price comparison to the competition (that has better functionality and wider distribution) bodes poorly for the N7B. Likewise, the days of N7 being the savior of Android tablets are long over. Android tabs are here, and the competition is capable.
Walmart sells the nexus too.
And just about every major electolronics store will be selling the Nexus 7 2 as well. So saying the Sero will have broader market is clearly wrong.
Only XDA and android nerds know about the sero 7 line up. Some mom and dad walking in to Walmart looking to buy their kid a cheap tablet isn't going to know the difference between them all. Chances are they will buy the cheapest one (which is not the Sero 7Pro).
I agree that the better specs are subjective, but when you are talking about raw performance the 2nd gen N7 is better than anything else in its category.
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>Is there a 7" android tablet out with better specs?
Yes. The specs that matter to most people--storage expandability, HDMI-out--are indeed offered by many non-Nexus tablets, even the cheapies. As said, I didn't see any outcry for 1080p in a 7" panel, or another proprietary video-out port.
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You realize that SlimPort uses the standard microUSB port and a cable to connect to DisplayPort, HDMI, or VGA.... Right? So it's exactly like anything else, just a new cable.

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Hello everyone.
Just skimmed through separate forums for Asus Nexus 7 2013 and LG Optimus G Pro on XDA. I had my eyes set on the Nexus 7 2 tablet considering its big, full HD display, awesome gaming performance and high end battery. However, upon reading about a number of software issues that new Google updates have incurred AND some talk about defective units here on XDA forums (apparently, many have been having serious hardware issues out of the box) I have been made to think twice about purchasing this. I also began thinking that messaging (only using thumb like on a smartphone) in landscape would be a bit of a hassle for such a big screen and the portability might well be an issue.
LG Optimus G Pro, on the other hand, seems to sport the exact same screen quality but a smaller size instead. Do you believe this phone is an excellent alternate to the tablet and that the 5.5 inch screen isn't a BIG difference compared to new Nexus 7's display (considering the screen estate isn't exactly 7 inch with that really thick bezel)? Is the battery better and is the gaming performance and other performance related areas equally excellent in your honest opinion? Finally, do you feel that the build quality is such that makes the phone slip in the hand and that home button feels cheap (as some reviewers say so)? If there are any known issues that I should be aware of, kindly do let me know.
Just so that it's out there, I am looking for a device that is anywhere between 5 and 7 inches, has a FullHD display, sturdy build quality, excellent, lag-free performance, 2GB RAM and really long lasting battery. My primary use with the phone would be to check email, FB, Twitter, read e-books and occasional gaming. I did consider SONY Xperia Z but it seems to have washed out colours and the screen and battery timing is easily trumped by that of LG Optimus G Pro.
So then, enlighten me folks.
WranglerHuss said:
Hello everyone.
Just skimmed through separate forums for Asus Nexus 7 2013 and LG Optimus G Pro on XDA. I had my eyes set on the Nexus 7 2 tablet considering its big, full HD display, awesome gaming performance and high end battery. However, upon reading about a number of software issues that new Google updates have incurred AND some talk about defective units here on XDA forums (apparently, many have been having serious hardware issues out of the box) I have been made to think twice about purchasing this. I also began thinking that messaging (only using thumb like on a smartphone) in landscape would be a bit of a hassle for such a big screen and the portability might well be an issue.
LG Optimus G Pro, on the other hand, seems to sport the exact same screen quality but a smaller size instead. Do you believe this phone is an excellent alternate to the tablet and that the 5.5 inch screen isn't a BIG difference compared to new Nexus 7's display (considering the screen estate isn't exactly 7 inch with that really thick bezel)? Is the battery better and is the gaming performance and other performance related areas equally excellent in your honest opinion? Finally, do you feel that the build quality is such that makes the phone slip in the hand and that home button feels cheap (as some reviewers say so)? If there are any known issues that I should be aware of, kindly do let me know.
Just so that it's out there, I am looking for a device that is anywhere between 5 and 7 inches, has a FullHD display, sturdy build quality, excellent, lag-free performance, 2GB RAM and really long lasting battery. My primary use with the phone would be to check email, FB, Twitter, read e-books and occasional gaming. I did consider SONY Xperia Z but it seems to have washed out colours and the screen and battery timing is easily trumped by that of LG Optimus G Pro.
So then, enlighten me folks.
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If you are not going to use Calling features more, you can go for the Nexus 7!
Else get a Nexus 5...
For videos, reading, or gaming, the difference between a 7" and a 5.5" diagonal is a lot more than you'd think. It's comparable to the difference between a 3x5 notecard and a mass market paperback.
For me, the N7 2013 is the perfect size. It's thin enough and light enough to easily hold in one hand and it easily fits in my inside jacket pocket
As to reliability, speed, etc, I've never seen the optimus pro, but my N7 is the best android device I've used.
Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk 4
The N7 will do what you need and more; I use mine for reading and the screen is great. I doubt a smaller screen would work for reading any length of time and the battery life in the smaller devices will suffer from the long screen on time.
The 7" screen is a perfect size as it fits in a pocket easy enough. Its built well; I keep mine in my back pocket frequently, same as with the original N7, and after sitting on it many times (not recommended) it hasn't given me a problem. It's a Nexus so its easy to root and unlock, you can load custom OS and receives OS upgrades quickly. with other devices you have to wait for the OS to be released, then hope the manufacturer is going to upgrade the device, then wait months to get it.
The only other one I'd consider is the Samsung Note with the S-Pen as that looks like it would be useful for taking notes on a job site.
I haven't seen the LG. I have the N5 made by LG and based on that I'd consider their other Android products.
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For videos, reading, or gaming, the difference between a 7" and a 5.5" diagonal is a lot more than you'd think. It's comparable to the difference between a 3x5 notecard and a mass market paperback.
For me, the N7 2013 is the perfect size. It's thin enough and light enough to easily hold in one hand and it easily fits in my inside jacket pocket
As to reliability, speed, etc, I've never seen the optimus pro, but my N7 is the best android device I've used.
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This. You have to remember, it's the people having problems who are most likely to post those problems, people like me who have never had issues just use it and enjoy it. As for the difference in size, I have an s3 and while it's a great phone and easy to use 1 handed I will go to the 7 inch screen any time I have a chance. Much more user friendly, and if you like playing games there's no comparison at all between the 2 sizes, the bigger screen is just great.
I have the Galaxy Note 2 and the 2013 N7. The Nexus dwarfs the 5.5 inch note! I now only text with the Note, everything else is done with the Nexus. Build, display is just awesome! :good:
5.5" and 7" may sound like they are in a similar league, but they really aren't. The Nexus 7 is large enough to handle everything I want it to (minus excel spreadsheets ), but small enough to travel everywhere with me. I still have my 4.7" Galaxy Nexus, but it looks like a dwarf. A Note 3 I compared it to was better, but that would be still too small for my usage now after having used the Nexus 7 so much.
As for the issues: what the other guys said. The people with problems are the loudest and there are no perfect devices. Make sure to buy from a seller that is known for handling returns well. That goes for everything above 100€ for me.
If you want something between a 5 and 7 inch device then,
For s pen functionality - Samsung Galaxy Note 3 (5.7 inch)
For music and premiumness - HTC One Maxx (5.9 inch)
For the largest phablet in market - Sony Xperia Z Ultra (6.4)
If you want the most portable tablet for a reasonably good price get the N7 2013 of course :good:
I love sharing my opinions/experiences in these types of threads, but everyone else pretty much hit the nail right on the head.
N7.2 is recommended by myself, and pretty much everyone else in this thread. But to add my two cents, get a warranty if you have the money. I got a 2yr warranty on my 16gb from Radio Shack, and it covers EVERYTHING, just as long as the device can still be physically recognized as a N7.2. I ended up returning it after a few days for the 32gb version, because 16gb just isn't enough. And if you intend to playba lot of games, download videos/movies, or put music on it, get the 32gb. Trust me.
And the best thing about the warranty is that the device holds its FULL value for the 2yrs. So I can easily exchange it for a new device and still get the price that I paid deducted from the new device.
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[Central] Moto G reviews 2013-12-12

[Central] Moto G reviews​This thread is a collection of reviews, tests and more about MotoG :
Here is a summary :
Written review (first sight) about our device by @lavafire
Full length review by gsmarena
Unboxing, Head to head with n5, Speed review, and video sample by @AndyCr15
Review and How to change back cover by @AndyCr15
Review by Android Central
Unboxing and Build Quality, Short Review, Display Quality and Video Playback, Speaker Test, LED Test, Benchmarks, Gaming Performance, Water-repellent Coating Tes, Sample 720p Video, Sample Slow Motion 720p Video, Autofocus Test by @jonmorris@shem2409
Review by @jonmorris
Review by @mobiletechReview
Scratch and drop test
Hard core testing
Feel free to share any link that should be here
Thanks. I have others if they're useful?
Unboxing
Head to Head
Speed Review
Video Sample
Fantastic phone!!!!
good morning! I just ordering in amazon.es (http://www.amazon.es/Motorola-Moto-...uad-Core/dp/B00GOYN5TE/ref=pd_bxgy_e_img_b)'m from Spain, but I still need to wait a while to make it available for sale this terminal.
is this acceptable terminal requirements for today?
reggards from spain! and see you guys
PD: I've subscribe to this channel http://www.youtube.com/user/androidandyuk
Android central
Moto G review
http://www.androidcentral.com/moto-g-review
The Moto G easily the best cheap Android phone you can buy right now. (And probably the only Android phone at this price point that delivers a user experience of this quality.) Every criticism of the Moto G has to be framed against its ludicrously low price. It’s frankly amazing that a manufacturer is able to put together a device like the Moto G for £135 and make money selling it.
Nuthin' but a 'Moto G' thang
Great phone, but it doesn't have sdcard slot
Had Moto G for about 24 hours now, I am so impressed with this phone. I really want to let everyone know about it I have compared this phone a lot with Samsung S4, not because I hate it, instead it was my last phone and I have used it for months, so have a good idea of what I am on about
Screen
Some may consider the resolution on this phone being too low, compared to the high end flagship phones this is about 100 ppi less. But does this mean the screen is bad? No. In fact, I am loving it more than the AMOLED on Samsung s4. First of all, I am just going to say that above 300ppi I can't tell the difference. To me, 400+ ppi = higher battery drain + requires more CPU + requires more GPU. Just why? Maybe there are some untold benifit of higher ppi screens, but to me I just don't see any advantage what so ever. Apart from the fact you could say to your mate "my phone's ppi is higher than yours...". So this to me is a big thumb up!
Speed
Before we talk about anything else, I want to mention speed of this phone. My S4 was running stock android 4.3 means I should see a massive different when I switch to this phone. But the reality is not the case, it really doesn't appear to be that much of a difference. There may be 1/5 of a speed difference when opening apps, but that is like 0.2 seconds? Even for inpatient person like me, it is more than acceptable. At the end of the day, it make you think what Samsung is doing with their snapdragon 600, when moto g can keep up using a snapdragon 400... This is on stock android, don't even mention touch wiz... But seriously find a review video or go to a shop and see it for yourselves.
Software/ROM
Well not much to say here, it is running basically stock Android 4.3 with a few minor tweaks e.g. camera.
Storage
8gb or 16gb, it is always the question. Previously i'd say get 16gb, more future proof, however I choose 8gb this time. Not because of the 50gb gdrive storage (pointless if you have no internet connection), instead you could get OTG so if you really want to watch films on trips you can do that. Otherwise, 5.5gb is enough for general app installs. For photos, turn on auto google+ photo back up (or dropbox backup whichever fits u better) then delete the photos on your phone once they are uploaded.
Camera
Haven't really tested it, but at least ok from what I can see and don't expect it to match DSLR
Hardware/Ergonomics
+ Curved back, easy to hold. I especially like the dented "M" logo, it gives more grip, helps when I need to touch the top of the screen.
- Phone is a bit heavy, for people like reading lying down for a long time might be a bit of a pain.
+ Back cover is removable, awesome! In fact, there a lot of covers coming out soon.
- Although, back cover is hard to remove and a bit slippery, not so awesome.
+ Volume key & power key on the same side.
- Clean design, coming from HTC and Samsung, I really enjoy this kind of simple design. I don't like the HTC/Samsung logo on the most obvious place on your phone kinda ruins the look of the phone.
+ No physical keyboard (some may consider this to be a minus instead of a plus), I am just glad don't need to worry about menu wearing out over time
- Speaker on the back side of the phone
+ Due to curved back, no speaker sound is actually trapped when you place it on the back
+ Both headphone port and micro-usb port are located middle of top and bottom side of the phone respectively, again just simple and nice to look at
- No 4G connectivity. Not a problem for me, as I don't even get 3G where I live, a lot of people living in cities might find this some what a deal breaker.
- No removable battery
- No expandable storage
Battery Life
All i am going to say is 4.5 hours screen on time, 60% left. :good: I am not convinced the stats is accurate, so testing it right now to see if it is really that good.
Update: second time, 4hours22min screen on time, 8 and half hours on battery, 43% remaining.
FM Radio
I was never a radio fan, always thought it was kinda out-of-date technology. Then I moved to an area where there are hardly any 3g/2g coverage at all on the way to work, karma i guess... You might say just download music from google music/sportify, but I don't change my songs frequent enough and it just gets old. Conclusion: always better to have a phone that has FM radio than a phone that doesn't.
Notification light
It is plain silly to me why some OEM would even consider not include a notification light on their phone. *cough* iphone. *cough* windows phone. It make things so much easier, when all you need to do is glance at it rather than turn on the screen, then turn it off again just to check if your missing anything important. There is no more needs saying, it is just playing annoying without one, so another plus.
Value for money
For most of the people, money is a key factor when buying a new phone. Even if the price is not a burden, you might still get the same feeling as me, thinking it cost quite a lot and make the promise to use it for 2 years or more. Well, with this phone you won't get that. In fact, I brought mine thinking I will use it as a back up phone since no other phone has its spec in its price range. But after I started using it, I couldn't put it down. Now I am not even considering getting nexus 5 which was going to be my main phone.
What I look forward to
Hell this is XDA, obviously I want lots and lots of ROMs XD. But I also can't wait for 4.4 to come out and ART to be stable. I imagine it would make this phone even faster. Saw some comparisons between Dalvik and ART, have to say ART wins hands down especially considering it is still in development stage.
Final thoughts
So happy with this phone, and mostly happy about Motorola stepping up and giving us this product. This is important in the sense, they are fighting a price battle for us, the consumers. We should show some support to let the other OEMs know it is not about how much they spend money on advertising, it is giving us a great product with a reasonable price instead of throw in some latest chips and mark it £599 rubbish which is basically what is happening right now.
Tips
I would recommend everyone get this phone, and get the 8gb version. Since it cost so little, no one could moan at you when you get a new phone next year
lavafire said:
Had Moto G for about 24 hours now, I am so impressed with this phone I really want to let everyone know about it I have compared this phone a lot with Samsung S4, not cos I hate it, but simply because it was my last phone and I have used it for months. So have a good idea of what I am on about
Screen
Some may consider the resolution on this phone is too low, compared to the high end flagship phones it is about 100 ppi less. But does this mean the screen is bad? No. In fact, I am loving it more than the AMOLED on Samsung s4. First of all, I am just going to say that above 300ppi I can't tell the difference. To me, 400+ ppi = higher battery drain + requires more CPU + requires more GPU. Just why? Maybe there are some untold benifit of higher ppi screens, but to me I just don't see any advantage what so every apart from the fact you could say to your mate "my phone's ppi is higher than your...". So this to me is a big thumb up!
Speed
Before we talk about anything else, I want to mention speed of this phone. My last phone being Samsung S4 running stock android 4.3 means I should see a massive different when I switch to this phone. But the reality is different, it really doesn't make that much of a difference. There may be 1/5 of a speed difference when opening apps, but that is like 0.2 seconds? Even for inpatient person like me, it is more than acceptable. At the end of the day, it make you think what Samsung is doing with their snapdragon 600, when moto g can keep up using a snapdragon 400... This is on stock android, don't even mention touch wiz... But seriously find a review video or go to a shop and see it for yourselves.
Software/ROM
Well not much to say here, it is running basically stock Android 4.3 with a few minor tweaks e.g. camera.
Storage
8gb or 16gb, it is always the question. Previously i'd say get 16gb, more future proof, however I choose 8gb this time. not because of the 50gb gdrive storage (pointless if you have no internet connection), instead you have OTG so if you really want to watch films on trips you can do that. Otherwise, 5.5gb is enough for general app installs. For photos, turn on auto google+ photo back up (or dropbox backup whichever fits u better) then delete the photos on your phone once they are uploaded.
Camera
Haven't really tested it, but at least ok from what I can see and don't expect it to match DSLR
Hardware/Ergonomics
+ Curved back, easy to hold. I especially like the dented "M" logo, it gives more grip, helps when I need to touch the top of the screen.
- Phone is a bit heavy, for people like reading lying down might be a bit of a pain.
+ Back cover is removable, awesome! In fact, there a lot of covers coming out soon.
- Although, it is hard to remove and a bit slippery, not so awesome.
+ Volume key & power key on the same side.
- Clean design, coming from HTC and Samsung, I really enjoy this kind of simple design. I don't like the HTC/Samsung logo on the most obvious place on your phone kinda ruins the look of the phone.
+ No physical keyboard (some may consider this to be a minus instead of a plug), don't need to worry about menu wearing out over time
- Speaker on the bottom of the phone
+ Due to curved back, no speaker sound is actually trapped when you place it on the back
+ Both headphone port and micro-usb port are in the middle of top and bottom side of the phone respectively, again just simple but nice to look at
- No 4G connectivity. Not a problem for me, as I don't even get 3G where I live, a lot of people living in cities might find this some what a deal breaker.
- No removable battery
- No expandable storage
Battery Life
All i am going to say is 4.5 hours screen on time, 60% left. :good: I am not convinced by the stats, so testing it right now to see if it is really that good.
FM Radio
I was never a radio fan, always thought it was kinda out-of-date technology. Then I moved to an area where there are hardly any 3g/2g coverage at all on the way to work, karma i guess... You might say just download music from google music/sportify, but I don't change my songs frequent enough and it just gets old. Conclusion: always better to have a phone that has FM radio than a phone that doesn't.
Notification light
It is plain silly to me why some OEM would even consider not include a notification light on their phone. *cough* iphone. *cough* windows phone. Makes thing so much easier, when all you need to do is glance at it rather than turn on the screen, then turn it off again just to check if your missing anything important. There is no more needs saying, it is just playing annoying without one, so another plus.
Value for money
For most of the people, money is a key factor when buying a new phone. Even if the price is not a burden, you might still get the same feeling as me, thinking it cost quite a lot and make the promise to use it for 2 years or more. Well, with this phone you won't get that. In fact, I brought mine thinking I will use it as a back up phone since no other phone has its spec in its price range. But after I started using it, I couldn't put it down. Now I am not even considering getting nexus 5 which was going to be my main phone.
What I look forward to
Hell this is XDA, obviously I want lots and lots of ROMs XD. But I also can't wait for 4.4 to come out and ART to be stable. I imagine it would make this phone even faster. Saw some comparisons between Dalvik and ART, have to say ART wins hands down especially considering it is still in development stage.
Final thoughts
So happy with this phone, and mostly happy about Motorola stepping up and giving us this product. This is important in the sense, they are fighting a price battle for us, the consumers. We should show some support to let the other OEMs know it is not about how much they spend money on advertising, it is giving us a great product with a reasonable price instead of throw in some latest chips and mark it £599 rubbish which is basically what is happening right now. Basically
Tips
I would recommend everyone get this phone, and get the 8gb version. Since it cost so little, no one could moan at you when you get a new phone next year
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Impressive review! thanks mate.. I would get this for Christmas soon.. till it reach our region soon.. anyway, If you could make a full video out of this review, I would love to watch it.. thanks
Stop full quoting! Argh...
@lavafire Thanks, this describes the Moto perfectly, good for people who are considering yet.
Not a full review (I'll be posting that next week) but here's my blog entry about it: http://jmcomms.wordpress.com/2013/1...of-success-to-date-lies-in-the-budget-moto-g/
Battery life looks too good to be true and I hope everyone gets as gooder results as you
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shure2 said:
Battery life looks too good to be true and I hope everyone gets as gooder results as you
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As mentioned in my video review, I got some of the best battery life I've ever seen from my Moto G.
SHEM's Moto G Videos
Here are my Motorola MOTO G Videos:
Unboxing and Build Quality:
Short Review:
Display Quality and Video Playback:
Speaker Test:
LED Test
Benchmarks:
Gaming Performance:
Water-repellent Coating Test:
Sample 720p Video:
Sample Slow Motion 720p Video
Autofocus Test
Sample Slow Motion 720p Video 2
jonmorris said:
Not a full review (I'll be posting that next week) but here's my blog entry about it: http://jmcomms.wordpress.com/2013/1...of-success-to-date-lies-in-the-budget-moto-g/
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Please comapre Nexus 4 and MotoG interms of
Camera, performanceand other relevent fields.To
me some of the specifications seem similar.
i guess only the experienced users can actually advice
which one to buy.
Regards
Shikhar
AndyCr15 said:
As mentioned in my video review, I got some of the best battery life I've ever seen from my Moto G.
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In trying to figure out how this works because 2000mAh isn't even that big for a 4.5" screen.
For instance my Galaxy Note has a 5.2" screen which is roughly 10% bigger but has a 2500mAh battery which is 20% bigger. At best I've been able to get 5h SOT which is everything low or off, usually I get 3-4 which I consider decent because the nexus 5 gets around 3-5h SOT and has a similar size screen and battery.
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In trying to figure out how this works because 2000mAh isn't even that big for a 4.5" screen.
For instance my Galaxy Note has a 5.2" screen which is roughly 10% bigger but has a 2500mAh battery which is 20% bigger. At best I've been able to get 5h SOT which is everything low or off, usually I get 3-4 which I consider decent because the nexus 5 gets around 3-5h SOT and has a similar size screen and battery.
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The Note had a 5.3" screen.. That makes screen 38% bigger.
Also, the software makes a difference. And maybe the Snapdragon 400 is more efficient than the Exynos used by Samsung
I was going to say, your maths is a bit off there at 10%. You need to look at the area, not the diagonal length.
If you think back to when 4.5" screens where the norm on top end devices, most batteries were less than 1600mAh. The Desire HD for example had about 1300mAh I think.
http://thediplomat.com/2013/11/the-motorola-moto-g-an-impressive-addition/
....software optimization can go a long way, Motorola has compared the Moto G’s performance with the Samsung Galaxy S4, when performing minor tasks. Despite Moto G’s mid-range SoC, lower amount of RAM and less powerful graphics chip, the handset apparently manages to make a call 1.1 seconds faster than the Galaxy S4, it answers a call 1.2 seconds faster, returns home 0.5 seconds faster and boots up 5.3s quicker too....
:silly:
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In trying to figure out how this works because 2000mAh isn't even that big for a 4.5" screen.
For instance my Galaxy Note has a 5.2" screen which is roughly 10% bigger but has a 2500mAh battery which is 20% bigger. At best I've been able to get 5h SOT which is everything low or off, usually I get 3-4 which I consider decent because the nexus 5 gets around 3-5h SOT and has a similar size screen and battery.
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Let's look at the numbers,
The Galaxy Note has a 1280x800 @5.3 inch screen -> 4.49" × 2.81" = 12.62in²
The Moto G has a 1280x720 @4.5 inch screen -> 3.92" × 2.21" = 8.65in²
-> The Galaxy Note has a screen 45.9% larger than the Moto G
-> The Galaxy Note also features a battery 25% larger than the Moto G
Remember, that the 4.5 and 5.3 numbers are the diagonal size and do not linearly represent relative screen sizes
The Moto G has a better (battery:screen size) ratio than the Galaxy Note.
How have you found the vibration motor on it? - to anyone who has one in hand yet.
The one in my Skate seems to make more noise than movement :laugh:

First Nexus 6 on video?

Dodgy vine unboxing video aside, I think this is the first hands-on of the Nexus 6, and it's also compared to the Note 4!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fn8OnzDO5Y
Video Summary:
Note 4 display has better colours.
Note 4 has slightly sharper images (likely the 3mp extra coming into account)
Nexus 6 has better low light images and flash
Nexus 6 has the better software (surprising no one at all)
Shame its so short and doesnt really go into any of the other features. I really wanted to know how the Stereo speakers were on the Nexus 6.
notice how finalized model doesn't have that metal dimple but just like the 1st gen Moto X, wonder what changed their minds, it felt pretty good on 2nd MotoX.
DiNoise said:
notice how finalized model doesn't have that metal dimple but just like the 1st gen Moto X, wonder what changed their minds, it felt pretty good on 2nd MotoX.
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I noticed that. Now I'm a bit confused. I want the white Nexus 6, but not if the dimple in the back is going to be black. Is the one in the video just not the final version or something?
KerryWood34 said:
I noticed that. Now I'm a bit confused. I want the white Nexus 6, but not if the dimple in the back is going to be black. Is the one in the video just not the final version or something?
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The phone in the video is not the final version.
I also noticed that the video states the nexus 6 to have an LCD display while it has an AMOLED display. It's most likely a preproduction unit or something.
Holy crap thats bigger than I expected
Note 4 screen was just wow... but nexus screen is clearly bigger...
What's really disappointing is that the Note 4 has more vibrant and saturated colors and a much brighter screen. Hopefully the final release will have a brighter screen.
KerryWood34 said:
I noticed that. Now I'm a bit confused. I want the white Nexus 6, but not if the dimple in the back is going to be black. Is the one in the video just not the final version or something?
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It clearly shows on the Nexus page that it will not have preproduction dimple
msal said:
What's really disappointing is that the Note 4 has more vibrant and saturated colors and a much brighter screen. Hopefully the final release will have a brighter screen.
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Samsung over-saturates their screens so the N6 will not have that. I prefer the Sammy screen but w/e
mk92595 said:
Samsung over-saturates their screens so the N6 will not have that. I prefer the Sammy screen but w/e
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Yeah I also prefer Samsung's displays. I understand the saturation levels, but why is the Note 4 so much more bright?
msal said:
Yeah I also prefer Samsung's displays. I understand the saturation levels, but why is the Note 4 so much more bright?
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Could be something as simple as different ambient light sensor settings. Samsung may have it designed to crank the brightness up higher than it really would need to be? Who knows.
Also have to take into account the angles at which he was holding the phones. When he's holding them both up in front of him while the video is playing, they seem to be angled slightly towards each other... and the Nexus 6 seems to be getting a lot more glare. When you see him browsing the settings menu, the brightness difference is much less prominent.
mk92595 said:
Samsung over-saturates their screens so the N6 will not have that. I prefer the Sammy screen but w/e
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The Note 4 has a basic color setting (in addition to typical AMOLED saturations), which works so well,
it is the most accurate smartphone display ever made.
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Yeah I also prefer Samsung's displays. I understand the saturation levels, but why is the Note 4 so much more bright?
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I highly anticipate Samsung didn't give the N6 access to their latest and greatest AMOLED technology like they did their own flagship - enough said until official reviews post.
elementaldragon said:
Could be something as simple as different ambient light sensor settings. Samsung may have it designed to crank the brightness up higher than it really would need to be? Who knows.
Also have to take into account the angles at which he was holding the phones. When he's holding them both up in front of him while the video is playing, they seem to be angled slightly towards each other... and the Nexus 6 seems to be getting a lot more glare. When you see him browsing the settings menu, the brightness difference is much less prominent.
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Both devices are at 100% manual brightness when on the home screen and settings pages (unsure on video, but likely the same). Do remember that on auto brightness, the Note 4 can actually go up another 140~ nits as part of an outdoor boost mode. The Note also has adaptive display color modes (likely enabled by default here) to saturate colors to increase contrast in sunlight, in addition to their less reflective glass panel. Samsung got it right from how it looks so far. Perplexed as to why they'd do an outside video though with a crappy camera.
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Nitemare3219 said:
I highly anticipate Samsung didn't give the N6 access to their latest and greatest AMOLED technology like they did their own flagship - enough said until official reviews post.
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Well this is going to suck then lol. That means the Nexus 5 display will be similar to that of the S4.
Probably more likely it's the Note 3 technology.
Moto X = S4 technology - same brightness, released 12 months later
Nexus 6 = Note 3 technology, released 12 months later
Nitemare3219 said:
I highly anticipate Samsung didn't give the N6 access to their latest and greatest AMOLED technology like they did their own flagship - enough said until official reviews post.
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SO you think that only Samsung Produce AMOLED panels ?
AU Optronics also make AMOLED displays, also I can't imagine Moto asking Samsung for the display in the first place as Im sure Samsung would stitch them up something rotten.
Regardless of who makes the panel its mor eof the fact that google have a 6" because this is all it is about who can make the best Phablet.
As long as the Battery can handle the screen i can't see why it wont sell in droves to the Phablet market over the note if the price is right, if its too close to the Samsung people will just buy the Samsung and not compromise.
The note 4 retails here between £550 and £600, so the Nexus 6 is going to have to respond to that !
so unless the lowest model of the N6 is around £450 i can't really see areason not to go with Sammys offerings and just ditch Touchwhizz when you get root and flash Stock.
Dont forget with a nexus we can change the screen color with custom kernels.If you want more contrast, add it! At least this is how i remember it on my galaxy nexus.
SenK9 said:
Probably more likely it's the Note 3 technology.
Moto X = S4 technology - same brightness, released 12 months later
Nexus 6 = Note 3 technology, released 12 months later
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If that's the case, it shouldn't be bad by any means... just not as good efficiency or accuracy wise as the new displays.
hutzdani said:
SO you think that only Samsung Produce AMOLED panels ?
AU Optronics also make AMOLED displays, also I can't imagine Moto asking Samsung for the display in the first place as Im sure Samsung would stitch them up something rotten.
Regardless of who makes the panel its mor eof the fact that google have a 6" because this is all it is about who can make the best Phablet.
As long as the Battery can handle the screen i can't see why it wont sell in droves to the Phablet market over the note if the price is right, if its too close to the Samsung people will just buy the Samsung and not compromise.
The note 4 retails here between £550 and £600, so the Nexus 6 is going to have to respond to that !
so unless the lowest model of the N6 is around £450 i can't really see areason not to go with Sammys offerings and just ditch Touchwhizz when you get root and flash Stock.
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Perhaps not only Samsung, but I'm sure they're the best. They have plenty of money and invented the technology...
The N6 may be 6", but for the average user they are losing that additional screen space to buttons. And the S-Pen is something that puts the Note a whole league ahead of the N6. Size isn't everything, especially when you hit the phablet sector. All these phones are big, so what else do they have to offer?
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Nexus user for years and just recently got the G3 to try it out (big mistake). I want the N6 to be amazing and win me over, but I feel like I'm going to be somewhat let down compared to other flagships yet again which is a big deal considering the price isn't any different now.
anthonyg45157 said:
Dont forget with a nexus we can change the screen color with custom kernels.If you want more contrast, add it! At least this is how i remember it on my galaxy nexus.
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True, but how well the display was built is still a factor. And you can't increase brightness or fix viewing angles
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Nitemare3219 said:
SNIP.....
Don't get me wrong, I've been a Nexus user for years and just recently got the G3 to try it out (big mistake). I want the N6 to be amazing and win me over, but I feel like I'm going to be somewhat let down compared to other flagships yet again which is a big deal considering the price isn't any different now.
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In your Case if your G3 is your Daily Driver i don't think the Nexus 6 will be disappointing as you have no L preview to flash and get used to Lollipop, the G3 is a solid device bar the OS skin which is so cluttered.
The best thing about the Nexus 6 will be the Build quality, the N5 is so soft and has finally succomed to light dinks out of the plastic and cracking between the plastic around the side volume / power and sim.
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In your Case if your G3 is your Daily Driver i don't think the Nexus 6 will be disappointing as you have no L preview to flash and get used to Lollipop, the G3 is a solid device bar the OS skin which is so cluttered.
The best thing about the Nexus 6 will be the Build quality, the N5 is so soft and has finally succomed to light dinks out of the plastic and cracking between the plastic around the side volume / power and sim.
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I thought the back of the Nexus 6 was soft plastic again? Either way the phone is gorgeous. I'm not sure how much I like the front of it though.. reminds me a lot of the Nexus 4.
My G3 has a great camera, and amazing display. It could be brighter, and a little warmer for color accuracy, but it is IPS and I love it. The problem with the G3 isn't within cluttered OS (I find it to be pretty close to stock Android), but with lag, build quality, probable lack of dev, and bugs.
The 801 cannot handle this device, plain and simple - at least in terms of Nexus speed. It also overheats when things get crazy. The phone looks great, don't get me wrong. But the casing has reportedly cracked at ports because it is still plastic (must be crap plastic at that). I do love the front design of the phone (back is whatever because it's always been in a case), especially in white. The T-Mobile boot loader has been open since day 1, and development is still dead. ATT just got theirs unlocked, but I feel like the device just isn't going to take off at this point. Reception has been a pain where I'm currently located, WiFi drops and hesitates to reconnect all too frequently, WiFi calling messes up, WiFi hotspots are broken without apps, and int'l roaming didn't work out of the box to name a few issues. LG software support is crap, so I have no hope for this device.
But then you might say - it's Android, who cares about bad software? Well, with a lack of dev, that is still a problem. Secondly, I used to be a flashaholic. I've had Android since the G1 debuted in 2008. But I've grown out of constantly flashing, updating, tinkering... I'll do a few things here or there, but I kept my Nexus 5 stock (rooted w/ recovery though) the entire time I've had it (still do). I did a few modifications, but that's it. I change phones every year or so because I haven't had one that just blew me away and made me feel like I could keep it for awhile, without needing to try a million different ROMs either. The Note 4 or Nexus 6 could be that device I actually keep more than a year IF they deliver the whole package. Displays and cameras are finally getting where they need to be, and if the hardware and software can make the phone blazing fast, I have everything I need.
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Don't get me wrong, I loved the SPen in note 2 and 3.
But Touchwiz is just painful. Custom ROMs void the warranty too.
Plus the Exynos variant is quite a bit more powerful than the more common Snapdragon version, and also has a better camera and wolfson DAC. However, Exynos has poor ROM support outside of tweaked Touchwiz. And as I say, warranty = void.
A custom launcher can't get rid of all that bloat unfortunately. The note 4 pretty much maxes all available RAM out of the box due to the bloat.
Screen might not be as good, but the build quality looks to be better, front facing speakers, and above all else a phone that you can do whatever you want to. No restrictions.
Literally the only bad thing in my eyes is the lack of micro SD support, but everyone knew that before it was announced anyway. 64GB is more than enough for me.

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