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Note 3 vs LG G2?

My main phone is currently the Nexus 4 and my work phone is the iPhone 4S with ios7, which I'm looking forward to retiring, iOS does nothing for me on mobile any more - plus the wifey wants the 4s as she doesn't like her 5, I do like it on the (aging) iPad 3rd gen for garageband and infinity blade, but that's by the by, I really want to replace it with the Nexus as my work phone and a new phone for my main phone and stop using iOS on mobile completely - the way I see it, there are 2 options, as I would LOVE to go for a windows phone, but even the best of them the Lumia 1020 is old news in terms of hardware, though the system has potential.
The two contenders for best non-vanilla Android phone of the year (it is fair to assume that nothing better will come out this year, excluding the potential Nexus 5) are the Note 3 and the LG G2 (IMO).
The LG kills it in terms of having a very useful feature-packed but still light UI based on the TW roms but it looks to be lag-free and not junked up with too much purely-gimmicky stuff. I like the simple yet innovative move of the unlock/vol/camera button to the back of the phone and the fact that you can customise the main button bar on stock as standard.
The Note 3 goes balls-out blazing with the all-new 3gig ram compared to the 2, massive phablet screen and extra storage, as well as the S-Pen and all of the TW gimmicks, extras and cool features you'd expect. It will have at-least the same snapdragon 800 processor, if not clocked higher, a better battery life and potentially better camera, and there could also be a second octa-core version, also it has a minimum of 32GB storage and an expandable slot (i forget if the LG has a slot) which makes it a perfect media device to boot.
Which will win the battle of the 2013 titans and which would you choose for yourself, and which would you recommend for others (we all know that sometimes we would choose something different as nerds than what we would recommend for others xD)?
So far, I'm leaning towards the Note 3 depending on what price I can get it on a contract with a decent LTE package on, but I'm open to being swayed by the G2.
What are your thoughts?

dodgebizkit said:
My main phone is currently the Nexus 4 and my work phone is the iPhone 4S with ios7, which I'm looking forward to retiring, iOS does nothing for me on mobile any more - plus the wifey wants the 4s as she doesn't like her 5, I do like it on the (aging) iPad 3rd gen for garageband and infinity blade, but that's by the by, I really want to replace it with the Nexus as my work phone and a new phone for my main phone and stop using iOS on mobile completely - the way I see it, there are 2 options, as I would LOVE to go for a windows phone, but even the best of them the Lumia 1020 is old news in terms of hardware, though the system has potential.
The two contenders for best non-vanilla Android phone of the year (it is fair to assume that nothing better will come out this year, excluding the potential Nexus 5) are the Note 3 and the LG G2 (IMO).
The LG kills it in terms of having a very useful feature-packed but still light UI based on the TW roms but it looks to be lag-free and not junked up with too much purely-gimmicky stuff. I like the simple yet innovative move of the unlock/vol/camera button to the back of the phone and the fact that you can customise the main button bar on stock as standard.
The Note 3 goes balls-out blazing with the all-new 3gig ram compared to the 2, massive phablet screen and extra storage, as well as the S-Pen and all of the TW gimmicks, extras and cool features you'd expect. It will have at-least the same snapdragon 800 processor, if not clocked higher, a better battery life and potentially better camera, and there could also be a second octa-core version, also it has a minimum of 32GB storage and an expandable slot (i forget if the LG has a slot) which makes it a perfect media device to boot.
Which will win the battle of the 2013 titans and which would you choose for yourself, and which would you recommend for others (we all know that sometimes we would choose something different as nerds than what we would recommend for others xD)?
So far, I'm leaning towards the Note 3 depending on what price I can get it on a contract with a decent LTE package on, but I'm open to being swayed by the G2.
What are your thoughts?
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If those 2 are your choices I'd say note 3 all day. The only significant feature g2 has over note is the Optical Image Stabilization in my opinion. Don't forget custom roms should equalize any differences in software features between the phones.
You mentioned the lumia 1020, If you actually like Windows Phone 8 and you like taking pictures then get the lumia 1020. You said the hardware is outdated but the thing is, on WP8 hardware is almost never outdated, that os is so damn friendly to the processor/screen/ram. It will probably be a while till 1020 is overthrown in terms of camera quality. (look how long the 808 held its throne). Still that operating system leaves a lot to be desired, maybe the new update will bring more functionality to it. It is beautiful though, no doubt about that...

For all the comparison I see about the hardware, how similar they are and aren't, and the talk of TW vs whatever LG is using, I think it comes down to something altogether simpler: Do you want a phone or a phablet?
I do understand comparing the other stuff though, and if LG makes a G2 Pro then it'll be pretty relevant. I don't think the hardware difference is that notable. I'm pretty disappointed with the GS4's TW though, and the G2's UI actually seems pretty useful. I will give TW on the Note 3 a fair chance before judging it though. But if it lags and feels as bloated as the GS4's does, it'll probably really irritate me. I'm personally stuck with Verizon, so I'm operating on the assumption of using it completely stock given the trend of them locking things down to hell.

DHM078 said:
For all the comparison I see about the hardware, how similar they are and aren't, and the talk of TW vs whatever LG is using, I think it comes down to something altogether simpler: Do you want a phone or a phablet?
I do understand comparing the other stuff though, and if LG makes a G2 Pro then it'll be pretty relevant. I don't think the hardware difference is that notable. I'm pretty disappointed with the GS4's TW though, and the G2's UI actually seems pretty useful. I will give TW on the Note 3 a fair chance before judging it though. But if it lags and feels as bloated as the GS4's does, it'll probably really irritate me. I'm personally stuck with Verizon, so I'm operating on the assumption of using it completely stock given the trend of them locking things down to hell.
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DHM, I don't see how that matters though seeing as how custom development always alleviates any software woes... I hear the note 3 may be challenging to develop for initially but i doubt that people will have to wait long given how incredibly popular this phone is.
I'm sorry i'm assuming that everyone is comfortable customizing their phones with roms. Given that someone would not deviate from a stock experience then i see how the launcher may affect someones purchasing decision. I guess after using custom roms for the past 5 years i just take that for granted.

I'm getting a Note 3 only because the G2 doesn't have expandable sd slot or removable battery. Plus I've never owned a Note device so I'm curious to have one. The GPro is awesome and I plan on keeping it as my personal phone. Note 3 will be for work!

systoxity said:
DHM, I don't see how that matters though seeing as how custom development always alleviates any software woes... I hear the note 3 may be challenging to develop for initially but i doubt that people will have to wait long given how incredibly popular this phone is.
I'm sorry i'm assuming that everyone is comfortable customizing their phones with roms. Given that someone would not deviate from a stock experience then i see how the launcher may affect someones purchasing decision. I guess after using custom roms for the past 5 years i just take that for granted.
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I am perfectly comfortable modifying my phones. I've been using custom software pretty much exclusively basically since I started with smartphones. That's not my point. I have a lot of faith in the developers here, they've accomplished amazing things and have defeated the manufacturers time and time again. But I'm trying not to take it for granted. With how freaking locked up Verizon phones specifically have been as of late, I am not going to buy a phone on the assumption that I'll just be able to toss out the stock stuff. I tend to be pretty optimistic about things getting cracked, but I also think that it will very likely take a while. So I will consider the stock firmware when purchasing a phone as there's a pretty damn good chance I'll be stuck on it for quite some time before it gets cracked.

A good amount of caution is always wise. Guess everyone just has to weigh what features matter to them most and then try to make an informed decision when selecting between phones.

systoxity said:
If those 2 are your choices I'd say note 3 all day. The only significant feature g2 has over note is the Optical Image Stabilization in my opinion. Don't forget custom roms should equalize any differences in software features between the phones.
You mentioned the lumia 1020, If you actually like Windows Phone 8 and you like taking pictures then get the lumia 1020. You said the hardware is outdated but the thing is, on WP8 hardware is almost never outdated, that os is so damn friendly to the processor/screen/ram. It will probably be a while till 1020 is overthrown in terms of camera quality. (look how long the 808 held its throne). Still that operating system leaves a lot to be desired, maybe the new update will bring more functionality to it. It is beautiful though, no doubt about that...
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Pretty sure the note 3 has smart stabilization as well. samsung's take on ois. correct?
and g2 doesnt have sdcard, no removable battery and no stylus throws it out for me.

oneandroidnut said:
Pretty sure the note 3 has smart stabilization as well. samsung's take on ois. correct?
and g2 doesnt have sdcard, no removable battery and no stylus throws it out for me.
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Its got digital which according to the internet is trash compared to optical (almost all phones use digital stabilization). Digital apparently is good for reducing shake during videos but does nothing to fight blur from taking pictures in low light. Low light photography involves dropping the shutter speed allowing more light in, any tremors in the shooters hands can then cause blur in the picture, effectively "smearing" the image over the sensor. Optical Stabilization involves physically moving the lens to compensate for movement while the shutter is open.
I'm going to google the subject some more and see if i can get some comparison shots... I have no idea just how much of a difference optical makes so i'm left with only what i've read and we all know how accurate the internet can be some times...
Update* Well.... according to the internet the answer is.. A lot. Take that with a grain of salt though lmao. here's some comparison shots: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/58/ISComparison.png/240px-ISComparison.png and http://www.digicamhelp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/is-on-off_large.jpg

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Its got digital which according to the internet is trash compared to optical (almost all phones use digital stabilization). Digital apparently is good for reducing shake during videos but does nothing to fight blur from taking pictures in low light. Low light photography involves dropping the shutter speed allowing more light in, any tremors in the shooters hands can then cause blur in the picture, effectively "smearing" the image over the sensor. Optical Stabilization involves physically moving the lens to compensate for movement while the shutter is open.
I'm going to google the subject some more and see if i can get some comparison shots... I have no idea just how much of a difference optical makes so i'm left with only what i've read and we all know how accurate the internet can be some times...
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there was a video of the g2 showing off the ois and it looked like a joke. let me see if i can find it. friend sent to me in a facebook message. but wasnt impressive to me. and true it may not be true optical but im not that concerned with it. And what you mean the internet is always true!?!?! haha

Rofl yeah the T.V. too. I'd be interested to see that video you saw. i'll check back here for updates. I updated my post with supposed pictures of OIS on vs off.

systoxity said:
Rofl yeah the T.V. too. I'd be interested to see that video you saw. i'll check back here for updates. I updated my post with supposed pictures of OIS on vs off.
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Think this is it.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjcqtCo-bq4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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You know the LG G2 and Note 3 are in two different product categories right? There is a big size difference between the two. You have been using sub 5" phones. Have you tried out a phablet at the store? Borrow one to try out and pocket? The LG G2 is no bigger than last year's Galaxy S3 and packs a 5.2" whereas the Note 3 is still very much a phablet and bigger than the Optimus G Pro.
They use two different screen technologies. Do you want Super AMOLED or IPS LCD? It makes a big difference for some people. Check it out at the store.
Do you want removable battery and microSD? The LG G2 has none of these, but that makes the phone unibody and more durable, no annoying seams and creaks. The Note 3 has both, but you have to deal with a flimsy back cover. I've owned nothing but Samsung phones for the past few years. I really hate the creaky back covers that eventually get loose and aren't flush anymore.
Do you want a stylus? Have you tried using it? I've owned the Note 1 and 2 and beyond playing with the stylus for a couple hours, never pulled it out again. Some surveys out there say 90% of Note owners don't even use the stylus at all. The stylus is way too small to hold for me and the button impossible to push. It's slippery and unnatural when writing on the screen. No friction. The accuracy isn't much better than a finger either, so don't expect to be able to scribble really small text or fit more than a few words per line, or do anything more than doodling. I'm not a big writing or doodling person, and you might find it useful, but I'd rather type out something on a keyboard, or quickly finger a note (the LG G2 has quick note taking apps as well) than have to pull out the stylus and clutch the thin stylus.
The reviews of the LG G2 have shown some pretty great battery life. Lg has G-RAM, which saves battery on a static screen, and also packs 3000mah in a 5.2" phone. LG's ROM doesn't seem as bloated as Touchwiz either. The Note 3, which is a whopping 0.5" bigger, only upped the battery by 100mah to 3200mah from the Note 2, and doesn't have G-RAM. a Full RGB AMOLED panel at 5.7" is gonna suck a lot of battery, especially when at max brightness. All signs point to the LG G2 having the better battery life.
Both have 13MP Exmor RS cameras made by Sony with optical image stabilization. They are about as good as the OIS in the HTC One, basically not very good. It is no where near the kind of smoothness the Lumia 920/925/1020 can achieve. It is because they aren't willing to go the extra mile and make the camera module bigger for better OIS. The pictures are roughly the same, since they are they same sensor after all. It's down to which type of post-processing you like more. The LG G2 has a nasty autofocusing issue in video that makes the image bounce around like a diaphragm. It may be fixed by release time (or not).
Do you like side buttons or buttons on the back? You'll have to try the LG G2 out in person to see if you like the back buttons. Do you like on-screen buttons or Samsung style shoved to the bottom buttons? I'm not a fan of onscreen buttons, but LG's ability to customize them, as well as the infinitely useful double tap to turn on, are turning me around. I honestly hate the home button and the shoved down to the corner capacitive buttons on Galaxy phones. How many times have I backed out of the camera or screwed something else because of accidental button presses? And going from soft taps to a hard push for the home button is still jarring. It's not a quick or reassuring process. Apple makes way better home buttons than Samsung.

This is my dilemma as well. I already have a Note 2 but was thinking about getting something smaller/different. But when you add up everything the Note 3 comes out on top.
Note 3 pro's when compared to the G2
Removable battery
SD card
More Ram
32gig off the bat (I still don't know if the Verizon G2 is 16gig or 32gig)
S-Pen
I like the look off touchwiz better than LG
USB 3
Universal accessories
More popular
Don't know about LG update track record
4.3 out the box
Love the blacks and colors on the screen but not the brightness
LG G2 pro's when compared to the Note 3.
Smaller
$100 less expensive (If at 32gig)
Different phone from the Note series
Double tap to wake out the box
Like the idea of having the buttons on the back
Brighter screen
Better camera with optical image stabilization

katamari201 said:
You know the LG G2 and Note 3 are in two different product categories right? There is a big size difference between the two. You have been using sub 5" phones. Have you tried out a phablet at the store? Borrow one to try out and pocket? The LG G2 is no bigger than last year's Galaxy S3 and packs a 5.2" whereas the Note 3 is still very much a phablet and bigger than the Optimus G Pro.
I had the Note 2 and loved it. Size is no issue for me. I 6'4" and have big hands. Can reach all parts of note 2 no problem. This shows you that i want a bigger phone. S4 is too small for my taste. Wish Note 3 was 6 inches!
They use two different screen technologies. Do you want Super AMOLED or IPS LCD? It makes a big difference for some people. Check it out at the store.
Wish the note 3 or G2 looked as good as the HTC One but i can live with either one of them not a huge deal both of their ppi and resolution are fine.
Do you want removable battery and microSD? The LG G2 has none of these, but that makes the phone unibody and more durable, no annoying seams and creaks. The Note 3 has both, but you have to deal with a flimsy back cover. I've owned nothing but Samsung phones for the past few years. I really hate the creaky back covers that eventually get loose and aren't flush anymore.
Yes i want a removable back and microSD card. Love being able to charge a spare battery with the sammy charger and slapping in phone and not having to worry about plugging in my phone. And unibody has been perfected by the HTC One. I have had the S3, Note 2 and S4 and not had creaking or gaps/loose etc. Im going to put a spigen case on it anyways.
Do you want a stylus? Have you tried using it? I've owned the Note 1 and 2 and beyond playing with the stylus for a couple hours, never pulled it out again. Some surveys out there say 90% of Note owners don't even use the stylus at all. The stylus is way too small to hold for me and the button impossible to push. It's slippery and unnatural when writing on the screen. No friction. The accuracy isn't much better than a finger either, so don't expect to be able to scribble really small text or fit more than a few words per line, or do anything more than doodling. I'm not a big writing or doodling person, and you might find it useful, but I'd rather type out something on a keyboard, or quickly finger a note (the LG G2 has quick note taking apps as well) than have to pull out the stylus and clutch the thin stylus.
Comes from the Note 2 as i have stated before i dont use on a daily basis but plenty of times do i like having out its just easier to do some things with and some things it isnt. And i could write 10x more accurately with s pen then my finger.
The reviews of the LG G2 have shown some pretty great battery life. Lg has G-RAM, which saves battery on a static screen, and also packs 3000mah in a 5.2" phone. LG's ROM doesn't seem as bloated as Touchwiz either. The Note 3, which is a whopping 0.5" bigger, only upped the battery by 100mah to 3200mah from the Note 2, and doesn't have G-RAM. a Full RGB AMOLED panel at 5.7" is gonna suck a lot of battery, especially when at max brightness. All signs point to the LG G2 having the better battery life.
If i remember correctly back to my Note 2 the battery life was very impressive and this phone has a snapdragon 800 and 3 GB of ram and 100 mah bigger and everything i have seen is that the snapdragon 800 conserves power so both phones should be beasts at battery.
Both have 13MP Exmor RS cameras made by Sony with optical image stabilization. They are about as good as the OIS in the HTC One, basically not very good. It is no where near the kind of smoothness the Lumia 920/925/1020 can achieve. It is because they aren't willing to go the extra mile and make the camera module bigger for better OIS. The pictures are roughly the same, since they are they same sensor after all. It's down to which type of post-processing you like more. The LG G2 has a nasty autofocusing issue in video that makes the image bounce around like a diaphragm. It may be fixed by release time (or not).
Camera isnt a big deal breaker the S4 camera was fine for my liking so getting the same on the note 3 isnt a huge deal breaker but would have liked to see some improvements and upwards of 20 mp.
Do you like side buttons or buttons on the back? You'll have to try the LG G2 out in person to see if you like the back buttons. Do you like on-screen buttons or Samsung style shoved to the bottom buttons? I'm not a fan of onscreen buttons, but LG's ability to customize them, as well as the infinitely useful double tap to turn on, are turning me around. I honestly hate the home button and the shoved down to the corner capacitive buttons on Galaxy phones. How many times have I backed out of the camera or screwed something else because of accidental button presses? And going from soft taps to a hard push for the home button is still jarring. It's not a quick or reassuring process. Apple makes way better home buttons than Samsung.
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I havent played with a G2 yet but i dont like the idea of back buttons. awkward hump on the back and tough to get to i think when in hand. And i agree i hate on screen buttons. Samsung buttons at the bottom are just fine with me. I cant remember a time where i accidental closed an app or process due to a button press. I love being able to wake the screen with just a press of the home button. Just as easy as the G2 double tap. Swipe to wake and swipe to sleep would be better like i have on my nexus 7. And Apple does NOTHING YES NOTHING better then android!

katamari201 said:
The reviews of the LG G2 have shown some pretty great battery life. Lg has G-RAM, which saves battery on a static screen, and also packs 3000mah in a 5.2" phone. LG's ROM doesn't seem as bloated as Touchwiz either. The Note 3, which is a whopping 0.5" bigger, only upped the battery by 100mah to 3200mah from the Note 2, and doesn't have G-RAM. a Full RGB AMOLED panel at 5.7" is gonna suck a lot of battery, especially when at max brightness. All signs point to the LG G2 having the better battery life.
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Panel Self Refresh (PSR) is what LG terms as G-RAM. It has been in Exynos 5250 for a year now.
To maximize power efficiencies at the system level, the Exynos 5250 has an embedded DisplayPort (eDP) interface that is compliant with panel self-refresh technology (PSR) applied to the timing controller (T-CON). The embedded PSR technology enables static images to be refreshed directly from the frame buffer memory incorporated in the T-CON, resolving the need for regular display refresh instructions to be made by the application processor in cases such as reading static web pages or e-books.
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Also, it has Envelope Tracking tech from Qualcomm, actually the first of it's kind.
Looking at the benchmarks, I think we are looking at higher binned AB version of 800 SOC.
It already has the latest 3GB memory module from Samsung.
I am just waiting to check if they are using the new eMMC 5.0 in GN3.
Motorola has made use of Samsung's F2FS file system in Moto X. It has been very well reviewed by Anandtech. I think Samsung will also start using their F2FS in their products, afterall they designed it.
These are some of the techinical aspects of GN3 I am interested in. I don't think in anyway it's going to have a bad batterylife. Infact Samsung already mentioned in their keynote that they expect 3-4 hours more video playback as compared to GN2. GN2 already had a monster batterylife. This will be even better.

FinancialWar said:
I would get the iPhone 5s.
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I hope that you are kidding me.:laugh:

Hi.
That are the right questions!
According to the Snapdragon artice on Wikipedia, it has not the faster AB Version of the S800 SoC.
But according to this Benchmark Comparison on GSMarea, I think there is the newer eMMC 5.0 3GB RAM in the Note 3.

Overall Note 3, but G2 for cyanogen-development-support.
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xSCHITaX said:
Hi.
That are the right questions!
According to the Snapdragon artice on Wikipedia, it has not the faster AB Version of the S800 SoC.
But according to this Benchmark Comparison on GSMarea, I think there is the newer eMMC 5.0 3GB RAM in the Note 3.
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Wikipedia is not really a good source of information specially when the product is just announced. The GN3 benchmark numbers are very close to MDP results. Samsung never mentions SOC details in their announcement.
Lets wait and see..

Chose this over the note 3. Good choice?

So I just signed up for att and they have an online special both this phone and the note 3 are free. The note 3 is a certified like new device so basically new. The main reason I chose this over the note is rom development this phone has a ton of roms in the other lg section. And the note still has a locked boot loader with no workaround so roms are very few. My question is what do u guys think is this an awesome phone that is with sticking with. I have 14 days to decide and exchange it.
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well check for all known issues and if you have them.
first always pixel check on lcd screen with different colors.
sensors, check if they work. Basic stuff I do without leaving store cause that makes returning it that much more easier.
update it, check if audio is good
do a litle search as I am not known with att variant.
other then that, read the amazing discovery thread here in general section, its shows the neat things people found

jriv said:
So I just signed up for att and they have an online special both this phone and the note 3 are free. The note 3 is a certified like new device so basically new. The main reason I chose this over the note is rom development this phone has a ton of roms in the other lg section. And the note still has a locked boot loader with no workaround so roms are very few. My question is what do u guys think is this an awesome phone that is with sticking with. I have 14 days to decide and exchange it.
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Coming from Galaxy S4 (which I agree is not the same as Note but close enough) I don't regret it at all. Good size, awesome battery life and plenty of roms to fool around with indeed.
I'd say good choice
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jriv said:
So I just signed up for att and they have an online special both this phone and the note 3 are free. The note 3 is a certified like new device so basically new. The main reason I chose this over the note is rom development this phone has a ton of roms in the other lg section. And the note still has a locked boot loader with no workaround so roms are very few. My question is what do u guys think is this an awesome phone that is with sticking with. I have 14 days to decide and exchange it.
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This. The ATT Note 3 ROM dev section is EMPTY. Dead. Nothing. Maybe a few modified stock's.
G2 has everything imaginable.. AOSP, PA, AOKP, CM, Slim, $randomrom

Yes that's what I'm thinking gonna stick with this one. I think the note 3 is a better device but no roms is a deal breaker for me
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My antutu 4 score 36308 beats Samsung 5 and note3.
If you lucky you might score a winner LG g2 like me.

note 3 is pretty unambiguously better, but the size is awkward. it's priced 1.5 times as high. if you're indifferent to size and can get either for free, don't pick the LG G2.
the big differences are the screen digitizer + stylus, replaceable battery, no on-screen buttons hogging your screen and the faster response of the touchscreen... LG G2's response time is mediocre and you notice it.
screen type is a matter of preference; Note 3 can produce a lot broader range of colors and has perfect blacks. white might not look so natural though. the pentile matrix is almost irrelevant to the perceptible detail - it provides the same level of luminance (as opposed to chrominance) info to your eyes and that's the only kind the eyeball cares much about when it comes to detail*. pentile is preferable to RGB-stripe for battery life reasons.
* see pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrominance
btw, LG G2 kinda sucks if you don't mod it. get it only if you at least plan to root it, put a camera mod on it, get rid of on-screen buttons, lower DPI setting, etc.

Rdmkr said:
note 3 is pretty unambiguously better, but the size is awkward. it's priced 1.5 times as high. if you're indifferent to size and can get either for free, don't pick the LG G2.
the big differences are the screen digitizer + stylus, replaceable battery, no on-screen buttons hogging your screen and the faster response of the touchscreen... LG G2's response time is mediocre and you notice it.
screen type is a matter of preference; Note 3 can produce a lot broader range of colors and has perfect blacks. white might not look so natural though. the pentile matrix is almost irrelevant to the perceptible detail - it provides the same level of luminance (as opposed to chrominance) info to your eyes and that's the only kind the eyeball cares much about when it comes to detail*. pentile is preferable to RGB-stripe for battery life reasons.
* see pic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrominance
btw, LG G2 kinda sucks if you don't mod it. get it only if you at least plan to root it, put a camera mod on it, get rid of on-screen buttons, lower DPI setting, etc.
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you mentioned some good contrast point and you missed one important thing that is the SD card slot too.
However, I would have to strongly disagree that the G2 sucks. Ofc that is your opinion but that kinda too much. Some ppl love the dpi of the phone, and it is also exceptional stocked. For the camera mod you don't need root anymore, and the screen is gorgeous. Performance the g2 comes in par with note 3 in a more compact size. But everyone has their preference.

I agree. While I wish the Note came in a smaller package for the stylus, I don't regret picking up the G2. The Note 3 and G2 are basically the same internals. The major difference is the screen size, stylus, and SD card. I have a Verizon G2 that has built in Wireless Charging, which was something I required. The Note 3 DOES have a wireless charging backplate, but it only makes the phone that much thicker and it already requires 2 hands.
While I kinda wanted to play with the stylus, it wasn't a buzz kill. The G2's 5.2" Edge-2-Edge screen makes for a very compact phone for the size. It is even smaller then the S5 sporting a 5" display.
The major thing is that I can use my G2 with one hand (although it is close), built in wireless charging, has all the power of the current smartphones, amazing battery life, and has tons and tons of development.
The Stock software is very intuitive and takes notes from an AOSP custom rom. Floating Calls and Messages is awesome along with their floating apps and awesome little tweaks and features hidden everywhere. I would recommend you root to at least adjust the DPI. The actual DPI is 440 (resolution x size) but is set at 480. Adjusting the DPI down to 400 feels much better. Installing the Xposed Framework allows you to retain all the neat and thoughtful features of stock but bring in custom tweaks often baked into custom roms such as Themes, Status/Nav bar mods, etc.
Since you are on XDA, that tells me the G2 is a great match for you. For someone like my mom or sister, the Note 3 might be better matched (if they can handle it), else a Galaxy S5.

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So I just signed up for att and they have an online special both this phone and the note 3 are free. The note 3 is a certified like new device so basically new. The main reason I chose this over the note is rom development this phone has a ton of roms in the other lg section. And the note still has a locked boot loader with no workaround so roms are very few. My question is what do u guys think is this an awesome phone that is with sticking with. I have 14 days to decide and exchange it.
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I used to have GNEX, NOTE1 and NOTE2. I also checked my friends' S3 and S4. Soon I discovered that the Super Amoled Screens all have one thing in common. When it comes to the display of dark scenes with low light(sometimes even in the bright light), you can actually see some irregular blockness all over the screen. That really bothers! And it's the main reason not to choose a Samsung phone anymore.

Eh that is software not hardware but anyways. When you are using the G2 in the dark it is blindingly bright even with the display turned all the way down. The AMOLED s much more usable in the dark. Love my G2 but this still annoys me.
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For those thinking of switching to note 4.. Srs

I just went to my local tmobzsz and used the note 4, i have the g3 on zone rom with skydragon kernel so bare(bear? Idfk lol) with me.. I was really expecting a lot since it was a amoled 2k screen.
I turned it on and went straight to display settings and put the most vivid color settings it had and to my surprise my g3 colors were wayyy more to my liking (skydragon has a different color setting, colors really pop and my g3 has no tint, my girlfriends does tho) but yea my color settings are basically in the middle of the gallery icon in accessibility settings and i was really shocked to see how faded they were on the note and its not like my colors are crazy saturated to where everything looks weird but theyre amazing to me. Im really glad i went with the g3, the 805 makes no difference to me, i have greenify with no lag, and i used to game a lot on my phone but realised no matter what, if a game is high end, a small screen doesnt cut it.. our screen is sharper(ppi makes a difference) and the colors on skydragon are more vivid. Amoled always looked cartoonish to me aswell but thats my 2 cents. Think before buying or trading.
No phone has our high density, colors (on skydragon) or design. Yea the note 4 looks better than any NOTE OR GALAXY but our g3 is nexus like. And our brightness is blinding.
And for all those thinking of the n6.. That design killed it, dual speakers? Ok? Skydragon has fauxsound and with that app you can find around the webzs my speaker can be heard from 2 rooms away on full blast, 6 inches with wayy less pixels andd amoled ...after today. I have desided to stay.
Just waiting for mr faux to release a aosp kernel so those colors can be on cm
SORRY FOR THE CHILDISH LAYOUT LMAO[emoji16] [emoji44]
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I was never thinking about switching bit it's always nice to hear our phone is great. Thanks man. I played with an iPhone 6 that my boss has and of course it made me love my phone way more.

Definately trading my g3 for the note 4

MikeJennni said:
Definately trading my g3 for the note 4
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Just saying man... Were fully unlocked. Note 3 n s4 n 5 are still locked after years. And were the closest thing to stock android... With some bloat removed and aosp icon pack and my theme for tweaksbox. But your loss.
And about the iphone yea that screen is ****
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I find the G3 alot like the nexus in terms of looks too, i mean cover up the colour panel at the bottom they look nearly the same - all black looks mean as

I've never had any issues with the color reproduction on our device quite frankly. Of course, if you keep two devices side to side and compare then you'll find differences but if you judge the G3 standalone - I don't really think you can complain about the colors. Despite not being an AMOLED our G3's blacks are quite deep (and I've used AMOLED previously with the Note 2).
All in all, it's nice to see people still finding the G3 great. I find both the Note 4 & the Nexus 6 to be great devices. Maybe the Nexus 6 is too huge for some people's likings, but you never know until you've held one in your hands. Still, nothing that'll make me switch from my G3 so soon. ☺

I might be the only person that cancelled a note 4 preorder and bought a G3. I loved the form factor and size of the G3. Perfect for my hand.
I also primarily use a phone as a just that, a phone. Novelty wears off real quick with me and I know I will never use a pen interface on a phone.

Im right there with all of you guys. But i never really thought pixel density mattered till today idk if its the fact that its amoled or not but the sharpness difference are crazy. The n6 really shouldve chosen the g3 screen to be honest, with all those high specs, less than 500 ppi. Might let some dow , especially for the price
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and i was really shocked to see how faded they were on the note
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The Note 4 has the best phone display to date, as tested scientifically.

G3 or Note 4
Hi all,
I do look at this a bit differently. Although the screen of of the G3 is indeed beautiful I really don't think it weighs up to the amount of resources it takes. Same probably goes for the note 4. Maybe some users really see the difference but if I load the same wallpaper on both my "old" Note 3 and my new G3, I must try really hard to see any difference at all. This leads me to believe that the screen quality has reached it's limits as to what you can actually see with the human eye. What would like to see is a phone that actually uses its processor and battery just for better performance (as in speed and ROM and RAM capacity and battery life). Isn't it crazy that so much time and money is being spend on even greater displays which my eyes can't grasp anyway?
This raises a few questions:
1* How come we have a microSD card with 128 GB of ROM but most phones come with 16 or 32 GB?
2* If the Note 4 (or G3 for that matter) would have the same display as the previous model, but with the new battery and processor? How fast would it go and how long would a battery last?
Obviously I'm not a developer and maybe the above isn't quite as simple as I put it, but I do know this: My rooted Note 3 with Slim Rom on it, runs faster and smoother then my new G3!
Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain.
Willem:
Note 3 / Slim ROM
LG G3 / Stock ROM

Pfeffernuss said:
The Note 4 has the best phone display to date, as tested scientifically.
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Yea until you see it in person and see it really isnt that great, tested familytifically
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brolic925t said:
tested familytifically
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Seriously ...... lol :laugh:

nerdo said:
Seriously ...... lol :laugh:
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Lmao. Had to. But seriously guys adjust your colors on skydragon and go test it out side by side. Sharpness g3 wins hands down, colors in my opinion are way better on g3 if you know how to set it up, coming from the n4 which had a **** screen till faux released his kernel with gamma settings, i became obsessed with screen colors.
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Willem1975 said:
Hi all,
I do look at this a bit differently. Although the screen of of the G3 is indeed beautiful I really don't think it weighs up to the amount of resources it takes. Same probably goes for the note 4. Maybe some users really see the difference but if I load the same wallpaper on both my "old" Note 3 and my new G3, I must try really hard to see any difference at all. This leads me to believe that the screen quality has reached it's limits as to what you can actually see with the human eye. What would like to see is a phone that actually uses its processor and battery just for better performance (as in speed and ROM and RAM capacity and battery life). Isn't it crazy that so much time and money is being spend on even greater displays which my eyes can't grasp anyway?
This raises a few questions:
1* How come we have a microSD card with 128 GB of ROM but most phones come with 16 or 32 GB?
2* If the Note 4 (or G3 for that matter) would have the same display as the previous model, but with the new battery and processor? How fast would it go and how long would a battery last?
Obviously I'm not a developer and maybe the above isn't quite as simple as I put it, but I do know this: My rooted Note 3 with Slim Rom on it, runs faster and smoother then my new G3!
Maybe someone with more knowledge can explain.
Willem:
Note 3 / Slim ROM
LG G3 / Stock ROM
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The thing is, its not really the hardware that makes the phones runs smoother anymore, depending on what skin is ON android.. I HAVE A REALLY OLD PHONE RUNNING cM11 (just realised caps in on sorry)the motorola defy and it runs smooth. And its gunna be able to support android l because we have a def that resized the partitions to let it be able to run, and i bet its gunna run really good. The thing is companys add so much **** to android it needs the high specs just to run the software, screens dont really make a difference from 720 to 2k, its the size of the screen that kills the battery. I honestly dont know why google release the n6 with all those specs because android l is really optimized now it doesnt need 3 gigs of ram nor does it need that cpu the battery is a nice touch since it isnt removeable. But yea I ran L on the n5 and its butter smooth, kitkat on my n7 is butter smooth and i just added greenify to it, its so fast it looks fake. I guarantee the n4 is still gunna be really smooth because even carbon rom with all those extra features are stilllll smooth.
Its gotten to the point where specs dont matter but they see how people are and take it as a selling point(take advantage)
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If during some strange dream, someone had to give me an iphone 6 or 6+ as a present.. I'm sure that peace of crap would go straight into the bin! It has no class compared to our G3 ( if any comparison at all ) .. i say STICK with the G3

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Yea until you see it in person and see it really isnt that great, tested familytifically
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Ignorance is bliss.
Good luck with the artificially sharpened display. However thought of that is a complete moron.

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brolic925t said:
The thing is, its not really the hardware that makes the phones runs smoother anymore, depending on what skin is ON android.. I HAVE A REALLY OLD PHONE RUNNING cM11 (just realised caps in on sorry)the motorola defy and it runs smooth. And its gunna be able to support android l because we have a def that resized the partitions to let it be able to run, and i bet its gunna run really good. The thing is companys add so much **** to android it needs the high specs just to run the software, screens dont really make a difference from 720 to 2k, its the size of the screen that kills the battery. I honestly dont know why google release the n6 with all those specs because android l is really optimized now it doesnt need 3 gigs of ram nor does it need that cpu the battery is a nice touch since it isnt removeable. But yea I ran L on the n5 and its butter smooth, kitkat on my n7 is butter smooth and i just added greenify to it, its so fast it looks fake. I guarantee the n4 is still gunna be really smooth because even carbon rom with all those extra features are stilllll smooth.
Its gotten to the point where specs dont matter but they see how people are and take it as a selling point(take advantage)
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But why isn't there a phone producer that cut the fancy ****, and just makes phone with massice storage, a battery that lasts for 3 day's and a reasonable to good screen? That thing would sell like hotcakes I recon.

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But why isn't there a phone producer that cut the fancy ****, and just makes phone with massice storage, a battery that lasts for 3 day's and a reasonable to good screen? That thing would sell like hotcakes I recon.
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well, the thing is if the n5 had our screen, with our batt and 32 gigs or 64, that wouldve been that phone. but i seriously doubt any company would do that because then when they want to top that, they wouldnt be able to. they know people always want better so they never make perfect, they want us to keep buyin new **** so they can make moneyy

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The Note 4 has the best phone display to date, as tested scientifically.
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No. It is tested marketingifically IYKWIMean. So please STFU
Pfeffernuss said:
Ignorance is bliss.
Good luck with the artificially sharpened display. However thought of that is a complete moron.
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And believing in the advertiser's "reviews" is being a ad's slave, too
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Yeah? How about Pen tile "ripoff"? "Diamond pattern", they say. How about getting 30% less full RGB pixels than advertized on the box? Yeah, yeah, babe, pay to them, cheaters

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No. It is tested marketingifically IYKWIMean. So please STFU And believing in the advertiser's "reviews" is being a ad's slave, too
Yeah? How about Pen tile "ripoff"? "Diamond pattern", they say. How about getting 30% less full RGB pixels than advertized on the box? Yeah, yeah, babe, pay to them, cheaters
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Schooled. This guys good^
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Who jumps the ship to Nexus 6 ?

How big is the difference in sizes ?
Who else is going to jump the ship for pure Android experience ?

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How big is the difference in sizes ?
Who else is going to jump the ship for pure Android experience ?
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I'd wait on the camera reviews. Then I'd try to hold a Nexus 6 and make sure its comfortable...it is also a thick phone. But I doubt I'd leave the G3.

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I'd wait on the camera reviews. Then I'd try to hold a Nexus 6 and make sure its comfortable...it is also a thick phone. But I doubt I'd leave the G3.
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For the size of the phone I think it's good that it has a decent thickness. Also it's really not that thick... It's just not iphone thin (I don't like how thin the iPhone is)
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I'm very tempted to take advantage of my Jump and get the Nexus 6. The bigger size, dual front speakers, and stock Android are huge pluses in my book.
However, I fear the Nexus 6 will have a worse camera (despite having a sensor that's technically better than the one in the g3.. trust me, Motorola will find a way to screw this up) and the amoled screen is also a negative for me.
So overall I'll probably keep the g3.. hopefully we'll get Android 5.0 on it sooner than later.
Transmission sent from my LG G3.

Personally gonna wait for some sort of AOSP Rom for the G3.

I'd love to have another Nexus (had the 4 and still have the 5 as backup) but this bugger is waaaaay too big for me. I can just about handle the G3 with 1 and a half hand

MalekoUK said:
Personally gonna wait for some sort of AOSP Rom for the G3.
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fuggedaboutit unless you have t-mobile's version.
lg will never ever unlock the bootloader.

jodvova said:
fuggedaboutit unless you have t-mobile's version.
lg will never ever unlock the bootloader.
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Catch up dude, it's been unlocked... not by LG, but it's been 'Bumped'.... unlocked.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size#/phones/size/LG-G3,Google-Nexus-6/phones/8347,8626
Umm, not for me. If I want to carry something larger than the 5.5 inch screen I already have in the G3 I'll pull out the full sized tablet. If it had the excellent Multi window capabilities that Note 4 does and a stylus I might be more inclined to consider it.
As it is both taller than 6 inches and wider than 3 inches, both were my cutoffs for comfortable to hold in the hand - its simply too big for my hands.
Same prospect as the Iphone 6 Plus really - it's a huge unwieldy phone with no real use scenario that I can see.

Uvaavu said:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/size#/phones/size/LG-G3,Google-Nexus-6/phones/8347,8626
Umm, not for me. If I want to carry something larger than the 5.5 inch screen I already have in the G3 I'll pull out the full sized tablet. If it had the excellent Multi window capabilities that Note 4 does and a stylus I might be more inclined to consider it.
As it is both taller than 6 inches and wider than 3 inches, both were my cutoffs for comfortable to hold in the hand - its simply too big for my hands.
Same prospect as the Iphone 6 Plus really - it's a huge unwieldy phone with no real use scenario that I can see.
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After seeing this there's no way I want the nexus 6. I'm happy to wait for handsets with the snapdragon 810 then will be time to upgrade.

Way too big, way too expensive for a nexus. Not this year, i'm afraid.

Ferindel said:
Way too big, way too expensive for a nexus. Not this year, i'm afraid.
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Spot on, in both counts. Pure android is nice to philosophise about but a good deal of draw of the nexus line was surely price?

There is no circle case and SD card slot with the nexus 6.
But it looks very nice !

It's too big for me. The G3 is the biggest phone I want to deal with.

We need android L
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I am. I like my G3, but I can't wait to no longer own this phone and be back on stock Android.

I feel there is no real advantage for the Nexus 6 other than the Android L.
It's too big, no sd storage, probably inferior camera, probably inferior sound quality and it will be likely that its Amoled display will be inferior as well. One great thing about the G3 and its RGB stripe display is that its effective resolution is higher than the comparable Amoled pentile displays. Some people don't notice it, but I find them to not have the same sharpness.
So far I have not found any phone that I would jump ship for. I had an IPhone 6 Plus for two weeks and I did like it mostly due to the software but I ended up returning it as the call quality and the camera were considerably worse than my G3. I gather I will be passing on the Note 4 because of its bulk, sound quality and pentile display. I'm one of those guys who loves to switch phones all the time but so far nothing this year is the equal of the G3. Maybe G4 next year?

The wife has a Jump to use and I feel like I should use it even though I still like G3. LoL. I like the Note 4 and Nexus 6. I'm pretty sure I can return a phone in 30 days with the discount I have on my account. Will the Nexus 6 be out in 30 days and if so can I return the Note 4 for it?

Been thinking and reading lots... And will probably take the jump as LG will take forever to push out Android L and I love the Android L stock look. Love the G3 but want the L experience unless we see a custom Rom. As I will wait for hands on reviews and pricing for UK.
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Nexus 6?
I'm pretty sure I am going to own Nexus 6 but I'm unsure wether or not it will be my everyday phone I've gotten used to big phones and my personal favorite so far is still the note 3. After having seen the reviews of the Note 4 I don't I will buy it. A note 4 ROM for the 3 (which will become available in time) will give me everything I need. The increased specs on the Note 4 don't matter for me as I cant see the difference as an average user.
I'll just go for the nexus 6 because it's going to be my first Nexus device, and I want tot check it out. My everyday phone will swapp between note 3 and g3.
I'll be flashing myself silly with all of them

hesitate to return Pixel 2 XL and move back to Nexus 6

I preorder a pixel 2 XL during October 4th event, have been using 2 XL for 2 days now.
Really good battery life : at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time.
Blazing fast: On the latest Oreo, everything is smooth and fast. No stutter whatsoever.
Stupidly great camera: everything photo looks like shot by professional camera.
Squeeze is fun: l start to love to squeeze the phone to launch Google assistant.
I really want to say I love the 2XL, but I really can't. I'm hesitating to whether to return 2 XL and move back to Nexus 6 based on the following reasons.
Hardware issue
1. Screen is a deal breaker:. The color are extremely dull, red looks brown and white looks green. And I had noticeable Burn-In on the bottom of screen for less than 15 screen on times within 2 days.
2. Charing is slow: I experienced 2 cycle of charge that took 2h 30m from 0 to 100%, this result has been confirmed by at least four independent sources, including PhoneArena and Youtuber Jerome Ortega.
Personal opinion
1. Screen on 2 XL is smaller than Nexus 6: On paper, both phones have 6 inches screen, but 2XL is 18:9 ratio versus 16:9 on N6. So you have a narrow a screen with smaller viewing area than N6.
2. Speakers are slightly louder than 2 XL
What's your thought? Should I return the 2 XL?

The Pixel 2 XL was moderately bad at the bend test:
I like my Nexus 6, but I guess it all comes down to your personal priorities.
Edit: Google says that they are considering a software option for brighter colors.

runekock said:
The Pixel 2 XL was moderately bad at the bend test:
I like my Nexus 6, but I guess it all comes down to your personal priorities.
Edit: Google says that they are considering a software option for brighter colors.
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The video you are showing is Pixel 2 made by HTC, not Pixel 2 XL made by LG. They have a very different internal structure.

In my opinion, switch to the pixel 2 or just get a samsung if you are bored with nexus 6.
Even though somebody might say otherwise or hate mw for this, do not ever trust LG made stuff.
It is no surprise to mw that the screen is bad and ita made by LG. Their QC is bad and its that for for years.
Might be confirmation bias fallacy though on my part

Well Nexus 6 is a great device the AMOLED panel with the stereo speakers , not to mention has also wireless charging. Am currently using it as my DD.
But obviously pixel 2 xl has all the latest specs . Personally I will pass on this year's pixel 2 as it's not a compelling phone features wise. I am running Oreo six rom atm. It's fun flashing and using it but yeah at times Shamu can lag or feel slow due apps now being more demanding.

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The video you are showing is Pixel 2 made by HTC, not Pixel 2 XL made by LG. They have a very different internal structure.
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Oops, sorry about that.
As to burn-in, this comment indicates that it isn't permanent:
https://disqus.com/by/xda-c75a8b67d7bb88f3595e8738de86ae2b/?

Nexus 6 is good, but only bad is the camera with 30FPS.... No 720p at 60fps ,1080p at 60FPS, no mods ,nothing!

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Nexus 6 is good, but only bad is the camera with 30FPS.... No 720p at 60fps ,1080p at 60FPS, no mods ,nothing!
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Mine does 4K video on back camera...pretty good for an old Motorola.
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shadowcore said:
In my opinion, switch to the pixel 2 or just get a samsung if you are bored with nexus 6.
Even though somebody might say otherwise or hate mw for this, do not ever trust LG made stuff.
It is no surprise to mw that the screen is bad and ita made by LG. Their QC is bad and its that for for years.
Might be confirmation bias fallacy though on my part
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you do realize, that LG is one of the largest IPS Panel manufacturers and pretty much every ips panel on any phone is made by LG?
Also pretty much every high end ips monitor (ah-ips at the moment) also has a panel produced by LG.
So i am pretty sure many many people here are using LG Panels without knowing it is from LG and without any problems

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you do realize, that LG is one of the largest IPS Panel manufacturers and pretty much every ips panel on any phone is made by LG?
Also pretty much every high end ips monitor (ah-ips at the moment) also has a panel produced by LG.
So i am pretty sure many many people here are using LG Panels without knowing it is from LG and without any problems
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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/77m8uv/pixel_2_display_megathread_poll/donkcbx/

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https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/77m8uv/pixel_2_display_megathread_poll/donkcbx/
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You completely missed what they were talking about. He's saying that a lot of the things we use these days use LG panels, and we don't have any issues. By you saying to never trust LG, means you aren't going to be using a lot of tech.

IDK man, i read a lot comments the past few weeks that most of us wants the N6 just with newer specs back, and i think the N6 is the greatest and best looking phone on the planet. Heck if i had the budget i would found a company that builds just the N6 in different sizes (5" , 5.5" and the classic 6") with the newest specs and whatnot, just for the sake of it lel.

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I preorder a pixel 2 XL during October 4th event, have been using 2 XL for 2 days now.
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Lucky you. I preordered the minute that they brought it up on their website, and mine's still more than 2 weeks away!
Must be because I'm in Canada.
Really good battery life : at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time.
Blazing fast: On the latest Oreo, everything is smooth and fast. No stutter whatsoever.
Stupidly great camera: everything photo looks like shot by professional camera.
Squeeze is fun: l start to love to squeeze the phone to launch Google assistant.
I really want to say I love the 2XL, but I really can't. I'm hesitating to whether to return 2 XL and move back to Nexus 6 based on the following reasons.
Hardware issue
1. Screen is a deal breaker:. The color are extremely dull, red looks brown and white looks green. And I had noticeable Burn-In on the bottom of screen for less than 15 screen on times within 2 days.
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Its my understanding that the "dull" colors are a design choice made by google in order to achieve a much greater accuracy. Think back a few years about all the complaints about samdung amoled displays being "oversaturated". Well, now people have become USED TO oversaturated displays, and finding accuracy unappealing.
Its also worth mentioning that Google has added an option for a 10% saturation increase. Its not clear if this software change has been pushed out to production units yet. They've also indicated that they are monitoring complaints and will add more options if needed.
As far as the "burn in" thing goes, something about POLED displays is that they are supposed to be a lot more resistant to *permanent* burn in, than amoled. At least, that's what I read somewhere.
But frankly, I saw lots of complaints from people about the N6 display burning in, and I haven't seen anything on the screen that ever caught my attention.
2. Charing is slow: I experienced 2 cycle of charge that took 2h 30m from 0 to 100%, this result has been confirmed by at least four independent sources, including PhoneArena and Youtuber Jerome Ortega.
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What's the problem? Above you say "at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time."
Don't you sleep?
Plug it in when you go to bed. Wake up and its fully charged and will last you well beyond next time you go to sleep.
Fast charging is also bad for your battery. It creates more heat, and heat is the enemy of batteries.
I NEVER charged my Nexus 6 with more than a 500 mA 5V power supply. No bulging at all (back cover still sits perfectly flat without the flaring up around the buttons that some people have observed), and now even 3 years later, with very light use, it will still run well into the 3rd day between charges. I will reiterate though... very light use for the 3 days. Obviously with lots of screen on time or tethering, it will drop, but its rare that I've put it on the charger at the end of the day with less than 50%.
Personal opinion
1. Screen on 2 XL is smaller than Nexus 6: On paper, both phones have 6 inches screen, but 2XL is 18:9 ratio versus 16:9 on N6. So you have a narrow a screen with smaller viewing area than N6.
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On paper it is actually a smaller screen than Nexus 6.
xl2: 2.68x5.37 = 14.28 sqin.
n6: 2.94x5.23 = 15.37 sqin.
So the n6 is still bigger by 1.09 square inches.
That is on paper.
And that difference concerns me as well. Not so much the absolute difference in screen size, but the difference in width. I've always found on-screen keyboards to be challenging -- my thumbs just don't get along with it, so the N6 was a dream come true in a world without physical keyboards.
But the width of the xl2 is a whole quarter of an inch (8.8%) smaller. I hope that I can adapt to that difference, because there is not a whole lot I can do about it, there are simply not any phones coming from anywhere with a screen as BIG as N6.
And at this point, its time to update. The N6 is a great phone, but without software support, you end up stuck doing it yourself, or hoping that people on the internet can get it right. Well, I'm trying to run Android 8 on it, but the bluetooth is hopelessly broken, and I haven't the time right now to take it on myself. I just can't deal with that, I need the thing to work, so xl2 it is.
2. Speakers are slightly louder than 2 XL
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There are usually ways to convince the software to crank it up a bit higher.
What's your thought? Should I return the 2 XL?
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Personally, I don't see any options. The N6 is off support now, which makes it a liability, and NO other manufacturers make a device that is even remotely usable. I mean you can try a V30, but at the end of the day, its the same phone as the xl2, so all you're doing is losing software support with that one. Samsung? Normally, I would give a manufacturer a second chance, but Samsung is SO bad, that... no. Not ever.

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Lucky you. I preordered the minute that they brought it up on their website, and mine's still more than 2 weeks away!
Must be because I'm in Canada.
Its my understanding that the "dull" colors are a design choice made by google in order to achieve a much greater accuracy. Think back a few years about all the complaints about samdung amoled displays being "oversaturated". Well, now people have become USED TO oversaturated displays, and finding accuracy unappealing.
Its also worth mentioning that Google has added an option for a 10% saturation increase. Its not clear if this software change has been pushed out to production units yet. They've also indicated that they are monitoring complaints and will add more options if needed.
As far as the "burn in" thing goes, something about POLED displays is that they are supposed to be a lot more resistant to *permanent* burn in, than amoled. At least, that's what I read somewhere.
But frankly, I saw lots of complaints from people about the N6 display burning in, and I haven't seen anything on the screen that ever caught my attention.
What's the problem? Above you say "at least 24h battery life with about 8h Screen on time."
Don't you sleep?
Plug it in when you go to bed. Wake up and its fully charged and will last you well beyond next time you go to sleep.
Fast charging is also bad for your battery. It creates more heat, and heat is the enemy of batteries.
I NEVER charged my Nexus 6 with more than a 500 mA 5V power supply. No bulging at all (back cover still sits perfectly flat without the flaring up around the buttons that some people have observed), and now even 3 years later, with very light use, it will still run well into the 3rd day between charges. I will reiterate though... very light use for the 3 days. Obviously with lots of screen on time or tethering, it will drop, but its rare that I've put it on the charger at the end of the day with less than 50%.
On paper it is actually a smaller screen than Nexus 6.
xl2: 2.68x5.37 = 14.28 sqin.
n6: 2.94x5.23 = 15.37 sqin.
So the n6 is still bigger by 1.09 square inches.
That is on paper.
And that difference concerns me as well. Not so much the absolute difference in screen size, but the difference in width. I've always found on-screen keyboards to be challenging -- my thumbs just don't get along with it, so the N6 was a dream come true in a world without physical keyboards.
But the width of the xl2 is a whole quarter of an inch (8.8%) smaller. I hope that I can adapt to that difference, because there is not a whole lot I can do about it, there are simply not any phones coming from anywhere with a screen as BIG as N6.
And at this point, its time to update. The N6 is a great phone, but without software support, you end up stuck doing it yourself, or hoping that people on the internet can get it right. Well, I'm trying to run Android 8 on it, but the bluetooth is hopelessly broken, and I haven't the time right now to take it on myself. I just can't deal with that, I need the thing to work, so xl2 it is.
There are usually ways to convince the software to crank it up a bit higher.
Personally, I don't see any options. The N6 is off support now, which makes it a liability, and NO other manufacturers make a device that is even remotely usable. I mean you can try a V30, but at the end of the day, its the same phone as the xl2, so all you're doing is losing software support with that one. Samsung? Normally, I would give a manufacturer a second chance, but Samsung is SO bad, that... no. Not ever.
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Thank you for your detailed reply.
Due to the burn in/ image retention, google has offer me to replace my 2 xl. So I move back on the old N6. To be honest, the moment I move back, I starts to remember why I switched at the first place.
I agree that 2 XL despite the obvious screen problem, is THE best phone you can get this year.
I'll keep this thread posted once I get my hands on the 2nd 2 XL unit.

Buyers remorse is just something we'll all need to make at some point. I've had my N6 for more than two years, which is longer than any phone I've owned. Thought about replacing it at some point but the N6 has never failed me. No problems at all.
Unless you need something that faster, better camera, better battery then yes, the N6 has these flaws but the build quality still lives up to 2017. I believe the next phones that are in line would be the rumored OnePlus 5T or the Galaxy S9 which is rumored to come out earlier to combat the iPhone X. So if you can hold on until next year you can decide between the S9 while the Pixel 2 may have its quality control fixed by then.

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Buyers remorse is just something we'll all need to make at some point. I've had my N6 for more than two years, which is longer than any phone I've owned. Thought about replacing it at some point but the N6 has never failed me. No problems at all.
Unless you need something that faster, better camera, better battery then yes, the N6 has these flaws but the build quality still lives up to 2017. I believe the next phones that are in line would be the rumored OnePlus 5T or the Galaxy S9 which is rumored to come out earlier to combat the iPhone X. So if you can hold on until next year you can decide between the S9 while the Pixel 2 may have its quality control fixed by then.
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So zero quality chinese "oneplus", or a worse than zero quality (intentionally crippled) samdung? You aren't exactly proposing any compelling alternatives.

tjxddt said:
Thank you for your detailed reply.
Due to the burn in/ image retention, google has offer me to replace my 2 xl. So I move back on the old N6. To be honest, the moment I move back, I starts to remember why I switched at the first place.
I agree that 2 XL despite the obvious screen problem, is THE best phone you can get this year.
I'll keep this thread posted once I get my hands on the 2nd 2 XL unit.
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LOL the screen burn in on the N6 is way worse than the XL2, so that's a very flawed reason for keeping that whale. I agree it's a fantastic device, but it's amazing you even care about screen burn in after using the N6 for that long
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So zero quality chinese "oneplus", or a worse than zero quality (intentionally crippled) samdung? You aren't exactly proposing any compelling alternatives.
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Well I never said they were better, but every single Pixel device has its share of problems. At least Samsung showed its promise with its quality control video after the Note 7 fiasco. Haven't heard any issues with the S8 or the Note 8.

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every single Pixel device has its share of problems.
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That's a pretty bold and unsubstantiated claim. Sounds like you're just trying to convince yourself against one.
At least Samsung showed its promise with its quality control video after the Note 7 fiasco. Haven't heard any issues with the S8 or the Note 8.
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Yeah, because if its in a video, it must be true.
You probably didn't hear about any problems because they're paying people off like they did at the start of the Timb Bomb 7 problem.

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That's a pretty bold and unsubstantiated claim. Sounds like you're just trying to convince yourself against one.
Yeah, because if its in a video, it must be true.
You probably didn't hear about any problems because they're paying people off like they did at the start of the Timb Bomb 7 problem.
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Not going to argue here because were going a bit off topic here, but the point was that the OP should consider other devices if they weren't satisfied.
Now unlike some companies that make mistakes, at least they acknowledge improving their products. Seems to be the opposite for Google, we all enjoy the N6 and the Pixel 2 stuff convinced us that quality control is a step back.
EDIT: Google must of listened but they issued this statement about the issues
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/phone-by-google/FRyoLZZjXvo