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Hello Everyone ,
First off I would like to say I’m new to this forum. I’m hoping to learn alot about my new android Galaxy S captivate phone. I have a couple questions regarding my phone, I would really appreciate if you guys can help me.
1.I bought one app from the market store, I later restore my phone. There anyway to retrieve my app without paying for it again?
2.What is rooting is it just like jailbreaking an iphone?
Thanks,
Michael
Hello there!
1. My guess is that if you login to the market with the same account, you will not have to buy the app again. If you login with a different account, yes, you will pay for it again
2. Rooting means that you have SuperUser access to your phone (just like Administrator for windows). You will be able to install extra programs like task managers, and file managers in order to access the root of your phone (the core of your linux-capable smartphone)
Note that you DO NOT have to root in order to install "pirated" material!
dragunov said:
Hello there!
1. My guess is that if you login to the market with the same account, you will not have to buy the app again. If you login with a different account, yes, you will pay for it again
2. Rooting means that you have SuperUser access to your phone (just like Administrator for windows). You will be able to install extra programs like task managers, and file managers in order to access the root of your phone (the core of your linux-capable smartphone)
Note that you DO NOT have to root in order to install "pirated" material!
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Thanks for the helpful reply! I'm in the process of rooting my phone. Thanks so much!!
dragunov said:
Hello there!
1. My guess is that if you login to the market with the same account, you will not have to buy the app again. If you login with a different account, yes, you will pay for it again
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Correct, I've done it many times now. It's linked to the account
dragunov said:
2. Rooting means that you have SuperUser access to your phone (just like Administrator for windows). You will be able to install extra programs like task managers, and file managers in order to access the root of your phone (the core of your linux-capable smartphone)
Note that you DO NOT have to root in order to install "pirated" material!
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Yes, but keep in mind, don't rely on pirated programs. Google has already provided a framework which developers can use to prevent their use illegally. It allows developers to test if the phones owner purchased the software they installed on start. Previously, pirated APK's I believe ran fine on other devices just by copying the package.
And yes, as mentioned, it is similar to jailbreaking, but unlike the iPhone, rooting has limited uses on Android (because you can install software from 3rd parties anyway).
Last question, lets say if I root my phone, and i magically screwed up. Can there be a chance where my phone is brick and no longer repairable?
I searched around on the topic of rooting but im still a little confused.
What are the actual benefits from doing it and is it worth doing? Please help me thanks.
Vincenzo69 said:
I searched around on the topic of rooting but im still a little confused.
What are the actual benefits from doing it and is it worth doing? Please help me thanks.
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You can install 3rd Party Apps and you can do backups of your apps and a whole lot of stuff. But if you're not into tinkering your phone then I suggest you stay away from that.
Free tethering, sideloading apps
How do you back up before you root it if you have never had a back up before?
Vincenzo69 said:
How do you back up before you root it if you have never had a back up before?
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Ok rooting is just giving you phone administration rights like in windows account management. u can't back up ur stuff. Just rooted it. Come to the dark side is quick and painless.
Vincenzo69 said:
I searched around on the topic of rooting but im still a little confused.
What are the actual benefits from doing it and is it worth doing? Please help me thanks.
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Some apps that require root:
AdFree - disable ads
Cache Cleaner - clean up temporary and cache files
ConnectBot - terminal client for superuser
Titanium Backup - back up and restore apps + data
QuickBoot - regular reboot or reboot into recovery
Root Explorer - file management of system files
SetCPU - overclocking/underclocking
ShootMe - do screenshots
certain flashlight apps for your LED flash
rooting gives you admin read/write permission of the system so you can basically make changes to things you normally wouldnt be able to change. These include adding free tethering, backing up apps like was mentioned before, and adding other features like hopefully a third party FM radio app since the phone has the antennae inside.
its totally worth it to do, its quick and painless, and reversible if you ever need to return the phone
ConnectBot does not require root. I had installed and used it before rooting.
MeX_DK said:
ConnectBot does not require root. I had installed and used it before rooting.
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Requires root if you want superuser access and file operations on system files
Ah, now it makes sense, Thank you guys help was appreciated
Hello,
So I'm about to take the plunge and pick up an Xperia Play in the next few days. With it I'm planning on getting a 32GB microSD (class 4) card. What I'm concerned about though is whether I can fully utilise the card.
What I mean is, is that I've read that some apps can not be directly installed onto the SD card, forcing you to first install them onto the pitifully small internal storage before moving them over to the card. Other apps can not be moved to the SD card AT ALL, creating situations where you may actually run out of internal space and not even have enough to apply phone/OS updates. This has me slightly worried. What's the point in buying a nice big SD card if I can't fully utilise it?
Now, I know things are possible if you root the phone, but I'm not interested in doing that (I know, call me weird if you want, but I have no interest in rooting the phone when I get it). What I want to know is, can I do the following things without rooting the phone?
- Move certain apps/games to the SD card (I realise some vital apps can't be moved for technical reasons)
- Force the phone to install new apps/games directly onto the SD card
Thanks in advance for your time!
firstly, this is Gingerbread, and with Gingerbread means we are given the full authority to install apps on the phone or on the SD card. The problem comes from developers themselves. Whether an app is installed in the internal memory or the SD card is solely determined by the developer because of a string/command they have to put on their application's manifest files. that string gives us the option, so if they have not included that string on their apk's (like Asphalt 6 for example with a size of 29MB!!!), we will have no choice to select where to install it--with a default location on the internal memory!
This one is a good read on what i'm trying to say:
http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2011/02/02/android-force-moving-apps-to-an-sd-card/
there is a hack however, something like pm SetInstallLocation 2 through adb, it's somewhere here.. something like THIS it changes/forces the install location to SD card..
Use link2sd. I have 370 apps installed and still have 239mb of internal storage
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Except link2sd requires root access...
So there's basically nothing I can do about this without rooting the phone or fiddling with the adb? That if the app or game doesn't provide the option or where to install, I'm stuck?
Balls.
There must be a solution...how are you guys not running out of space on this thing?
most, if not all of us have rooted our phone.
White_Pointer said:
So there's basically nothing I can do about this without rooting the phone or fiddling with the adb? That if the app or game doesn't provide the option or where to install, I'm stuck?
Balls.
There must be a solution...how are you guys not running out of space on this thing?
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The facts are, without root access you don't have enough control over your phone to do it. And if you don't want to use adb, you might as well sell your play and buy a feature phone, because thats all you have atm lol
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Create a partition of your SD card then use link2sd.. For now maybe you don't have interest on rooting your phone but after a few days you will realize how important for us to have root access..
I thought the whole point of Android (as opposed to, say, iOS) is to give the user control. If I can't do something as simple as moving apps to an sd card without rooting the phone, it seems Android has failed in that regard. Even my 2 year old Omnia 2, running the dated Windows mobile 6.1 OS, allows me to choose where to install things and allows me full access to the file manager to move data where I want without ever needing to root it.
I'll probably still get a Play, and maybe adb is an option, but it still seems an annoyance to enable the option which should be there already.
White_Pointer said:
I thought the whole point of Android (as opposed to, say, iOS) is to give the user control. If I can't do something as simple as moving apps to an sd card without rooting the phone, it seems Android has failed in that regard. Even my 2 year old Omnia 2, running the dated Windows mobile 6.1 OS, allows me to choose where to install things and allows me full access to the file manager to move data where I want without ever needing to root it.
I'll probably still get a Play, and maybe adb is an option, but it still seems an annoyance to enable the option which should be there already.
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Your missing the point, root isnt a bad thing or a hack, google always ment to supply android rooted like any linux distro. But they took root away from the end user to protect them. Malware wise a unrooted phone is a safe phone. It's then the end users problem if they root there phone and have all there passwords stolen. There is no comeback on google. The nexus phones are easy to root because google makes it easy, phones made by companies like HTC are harder to root because they want to protect there software. Although HTC and Sony have made a U-turn recently, allowing for end users to now bootloader unlock there phones and even supporting 3rd party rom developers.
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Unfortunately rooting a phone isn't quite as simple as logging in as the root user in linux. If you could "log in" to your phone as root to perform certain actions such as moving apps to an sd card, and then "log out" when you are done, back into your regular phone user mode, then it would be a different story. As it stands now, you get one thing wrong in the root process and you could lose vital functionality, or in the worst case can brick your phone.
I don't call that "protecting the end user", I personally think that whole concept is a load of bull. If they wanted to really protect the end user they'd make it easy to log in as root, but require the user to contact support for the password or something and get them to accept a T&A first so they understand the implications of it. That way the phone doesn't permanently stay in "rooted" mode, and you only need the root access temporarily so your chances of contracting any Malware are slim.
Doesn't that make a lot more sense?
narflynn619 said:
firstly, this is Gingerbread, and with Gingerbread means we are given the full authority to install apps on the phone or on the SD card. The problem comes from developers themselves. Whether an app is installed in the internal memory or the SD card is solely determined by the developer because of a string/command they have to put on their application's manifest files. that string gives us the option, so if they have not included that string on their apk's (like Asphalt 6 for example with a size of 29MB!!!), we will have no choice to select where to install it--with a default location on the internal memory!
This one is a good read on what i'm trying to say:
http://muffinresearch.co.uk/archives/2011/02/02/android-force-moving-apps-to-an-sd-card/
there is a hack however, something like pm SetInstallLocation 2 through adb, it's somewhere here.. something like THIS it changes/forces the install location to SD card..
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Here's the ADB Hack:
Install Android SDK, download the recommened files.
Open up command prompt (if you're in windows) goto adb, its located [drive installed on, normally C]:\[wherever you installed it, i.e. program files, or if you unzipped it, unzip folder]\android-sdk_r12-windows\android-sdk-windows\platform-tools (where you have it installed might differ from mine. If you don't have the android sdk library, this makes it worth it.)
when you get to the folder you have adb located, and your phone is plugged in (USB Debuging needs to be turned on (settings -> application -> development)),
type:
adb shell
(you'll have to wait a little bit)
when you see the command prompt change to "#"
then type:
pm setInstallLocation 2
reboot
you don't need root, and it's easy to do
1. Is it possible
2. Do all users get root access? I assume SU would have to be installed for each user, if root access is desired, correct?
3. Does it cause issues?
4. Does the ADB Backup & Restore backup and restore ALL users?
....Anything I'm missing?
ShadowOf said:
1. Is it possible
2. Do all users get root access? I assume SU would have to be installed for each user, if root access is desired, correct?
3. Does it cause issues?
4. Does the ADB Backup & Restore backup and restore ALL users?
....Anything I'm missing?
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In the words of Chainfire, author of SuperSU, as it pertains to SuperSU 0.98 and 0.99:
Chainfire said:
Preliminary update for Android 4.2's multi-user capabilities.
Only the main user can run the UI and gain root access.
Secondary user's apps will not be granted root, nor can
those users change SuperSU configuration.
This is all temporary. Proper multi-user support is being
worked on.
Note that if a non-user process (like ADB shell) needs to
prompt for root, that prompt will always appear on the
MAIN user's screen !
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Source
Thanks that answers 1 & 2.
3. Any issues multi users are seeing after root?
4. Will ADB Backup & Restore handle my three current users?
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ShadowOf said:
Thanks that answers 1 & 2.
3. Any issues multi users are seeing after root?
4. Will ADB Backup & Restore handle my three current users?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium HD app
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I should have mentioned that my N7 is rooted with multiple users and I have not run in to any issues. I can't comment on the backup, however.
ShadowOf said:
Thanks that answers 1 & 2.
3. Any issues multi users are seeing after root?
4. Will ADB Backup & Restore handle my three current users?
Sent from my Nexus 7 using XDA Premium HD app
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I have not had any issues with root for main "owner" user. But as stated other users currently do not have root access.
Backup? Don't know yet?
Other users currently do not have access to all apps that the owner has access to. Example. Google wallet only works with owner. Google Talk only with Owner.
So I really hope that once they figure out how to get root to all users... than all users can use all apps.
Google has made a one stop forward.... but long ways to go on multi user system. IMO
Jack$on said:
So I really hope that once they figure out how to get root to all users... than all users can use all apps.
Google has made a one stop forward.... but long ways to go on multi user system. IMO
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Completely agree on that one. Asked me to set up google wallet again for the second user (I had entered a different gmail id for the second user).
Had to install titanium backup separately for both the users. And apps installed for one user was not accessible to the other!! (from within titanium backup.)
However as the owner, I could see all the apps from under 'manage apps'. (Not visible from the normal drawer.) From manage apps, I can also see option to 'un-install for all users'.
As a owner, I wish, I could also install apps and control other user..
I have rooted my Nexus 7 in order to be able to use USB storage. It works fine-- I use "USB MassStrorage Watcher OTG" and can access my external 32GB Stick.
However, I added a second user (my Wife) and although I have use appshare to share all applications, I cannot read the USB stick when under her user name because it requires a rooted device and a second user system sees a non-rooted device.
The problem lies that Android N7 4.2.1 - does not have a facility to have a shared directory - so everything is hidden from one user to another: I had a plan that I could share books via the USB Stick and not waste the directories and memory space - but because the second user cannot access the USB stick it does not work like I planned.
Does anyone have a solution to:
1. Extend Root access to a second user
2. Create a shared directory that both (or multi) users can access?
3. Have USB access app that does not require root?
I am a first time Android user and the restrictions placed on the use of this device (Android in general) are pretty ridiculous - they make no sense!
Why do they (Google) want to cripple their own device? If the USB access is possible from hardware standpoint - why the intentionally block it and not make it part of the OS?
Why not allow shared directories ? I still copy from one user to another using computer - but it is convoluted and time/memory waste.
Hope there are good solutions out there that someone could direct me to.
Best regards
Vladimir
I tried Superuser 3.3 on my Nexus 7 but didn't work at least with cerberus. It just denies the root request
mjckt said:
I tried Superuser 3.3 on my Nexus 7 but didn't work at least with cerberus. It just denies the root request
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I just tried that and it worked fine for me. I went into the prefrences and changed the multi user setting to user controlled and it worked just fine.
RobertsDF said:
I just tried that and it worked fine for me. I went into the prefrences and changed the multi user setting to user controlled and it worked just fine.
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Thanks for the tip, I will try it myself
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apologies for reviving a thread.
But I managed to get the multiple user working with SuperSU but not superuser (on 4.3)
The problem I have is for some reason every time I install SuperSU although it works fine, It stops App Ops (Permissions) from working.
and because I really like to use them (instead of a third party permission tool) I'd like to get superuser.
Any ideas?
Hi,
My brother has been told by an associate, that he has hacked his phone and can track and hear everything he does and did it remotely.
Also said the App is undetectable.
His phone is a rooted Note 3 and his wife has a non rooted Galaxy S5.
Now, I have told him there is no way for for somebody to remotely install any app on your phone even if it is rooted, unless it is already compromised and or unless they have your Google account and password, which i am not 100% sure that would allow you to install anything either.
So my question is, if he flashes an original rom and creates a new Google account, can he feel safe that his phone can't have malicious apps installed with out his knowledge ?
I would assume a factory reset wouldn't be enough to get rid of an app installed as a system app ?
Is there any programs he could install to check for malicious apps.
I think my brother is just being overly paranoid and this guy is a ****
Help greatly appreciated.
Hopefully this is the right thread / board, if not please move to the correct thread please mods.
JaGuR said:
Hi,
My brother has been told by an associate, that he has hacked his phone and can track and hear everything he does and did it remotely.
Also said the App is undetectable.
His phone is a rooted Note 3 and his wife has a non rooted Galaxy S5.
Now, I have told him there is no way for for somebody to remotely install any app on your phone even if it is rooted, unless it is already compromised and or unless they have your Google account and password, which i am not 100% sure that would allow you to install anything either.
So my question is, if he flashes an original rom and creates a new Google account, can he feel safe that his phone can't have malicious apps installed with out his knowledge ?
I would assume a factory reset wouldn't be enough to get rid of an app installed as a system app ?
Is there any programs he could install to check for malicious apps.
I think my brother is just being overly paranoid and this guy is a ****
Help greatly appreciated.
Hopefully this is the right thread / board, if not please move to the correct thread please mods.
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I would say, scan with an antivirus like avast and see what can come up, and to your question, if he flashes the stock rom, everything which has been installed as a system app will get removed, also if your phone is rooted , avast has a function which is called firewall, in that you can control the internet connectivity of all the user/system app. I use it to block internet access to systems which in my view do not need any connectivity to run. Its very easy to do also. ask him to change his goole password and also user 2 factor authentication on google.
Sounds like someone's been watching a bit too much Person of Interest...
Do such 'apps' exist? Yes. Are they publicly available? Hell no.
I dont think theres a software like that in public. Thats a lot of money to be earned "IF" ever and theres laws to break.
Just do a factory reset from recovery or a better solution is to upgrade your firmware to the newest build from samfirmware
Factory reset won't delete system apps.
The least you can do is flash stock ROM using Odin to fulfill your brother's OCD.
Thanks guys, will put my mind at rest and hopefully his.
JaGuR said:
1- if he flashes an original rom and creates a new Google account, can he feel safe that his phone can't have malicious apps installed with out his knowledge ?
2- I would assume a factory reset wouldn't be enough to get rid of an app installed as a system app ?
3- Is there any programs he could install to check for malicious apps.
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1- Yes. And no need to create a new account, just change the password of the current account.
2- Yes, in some (rare) cases.
3- I'm not sure. You can try some antivirus apps or security apps on the Play Store. But in general, you can check yourself by finding apps that have the following permissions: READ SMS + RECORD AUDIO + FULL INTERNET ACCESS... Try to eliminate well-known safe apps, plus some experiences and some helps from the other, you can identify these malicious apps.