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I just purchased the Galaxy Tab and want to get it rooted with a custom ROM. I'm not new to this, just new to tablets. Does anyone recommend any certain ROM? And if so, what's good/better about it? I don't mind the stock look but I know it can get faster and smoother. If you also wouldn't mind sharing your setups and screenshots that would be helpful.
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tried several roms and my immediate impression is that your actual Tablet model dictates how much choice you have -- the wifi only model has more options available but doesn't enable the 3G or 4G functionality necessary for those Tablets.
HC3.1 is your key: latest stock firmware is KI2 with KI1 overlap (KI1 pda/csc, KI2 modem) check either sammobile or use Check Fus 2.0 -- most developers are just in the process of porting their roms from the older KME structure and/or just getting a Tablet and determining their time commitment to develop a rom for the Tablet as well as their existing phone.
I suspect that a month from now the landscape will be a lot clearer.
Again, custom kernels are restricted to the one from Pershoot (again, check and use the 7500 or 7510 variant as appropriate) as the source from KI1 and KI2 is still so new.
The 10.1 is newly released in several markets: seems the development of programs is still at an early and vibrant stage.
Towle said:
I just purchased the Galaxy Tab and want to get it rooted with a custom ROM. I'm not new to this, just new to tablets. Does anyone recommend any certain ROM? And if so, what's good/better about it? I don't mind the stock look but I know it can get faster and smoother. If you also wouldn't mind sharing your setups and screenshots that would be helpful.
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Yeah try In Paris ver 5. Really fast and smooth
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I prefer rooted stock with pershoots kernel. In all its touchwiz glory
try overcome series. It is good and fast.
I tried some ROM´s as well and for me the best allrounder was Paris V5 especially a good support in thread.
Foreword to the developers - I think you do a fantastic work, given the circumstances, with no source code available - but I want to be sincere and share my own experience.
After trying ALL available ROM's (first time a month ago and this week for the second time) I concluded that the rooted stock TW (KME) is the best one. I know it doesn't have all the customization and tweaks found on other ROM's (which are of personal taste), but is by far the most stable and smooth ROM you can have on your GT7510.
The current ROM's have many bugs (you can see how frequently they are updated) and they really don't add much performance, if at all.
FC's, color problems, freezing, reboots and lags are some of the problems I experienced with all custom ROM's. The stock ROM is a product that passed a far stricter QA process, so it will certainly have less bugs like these.
I am sure many users in this forum will disagree with me, but this is my real experience.
And, just to be clear - YES! I love my GT7510! It is one of the best tablets today, if not the best!
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Foreword to the developers - I think you do a fantastic work, given the circumstances, with no source code available - but I want to be sincere and share my own experience.
After trying ALL available ROM's (first time a month ago and this week for the second time) I concluded that the rooted stock TW (KME) is the best one. I know it doesn't have all the customization and tweaks found on other ROM's (which are of personal taste), but is by far the most stable and smooth ROM you can have on your GT7510.
The current ROM's have many bugs (you can see how frequently they are updated) and they really don't add much performance, if at all.
FC's, color problems, freezing, reboots and lags are some of the problems I experienced with all custom ROM's. The stock ROM is a product that passed a far stricter QA process, so it will certainly have less bugs like these.
I am sure many users in this forum will disagree with me, but this is my real experience.
And, just to be clear - YES! I love my GT7510! It is one of the best tablets today, if not the best!
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Thank you this is the feedback I was looking for, you explained the points I was curious about.
Why is there no source code? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of Android?
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There's only 4 custom ROMs, and only 2 are regularly updated. There's also an "extreme" stock ROM. I think you could try all three in about a week, and come up with your own opinion.
Welcome.
I've got paris v.4 (now v.5), and it's great.
Towle said:
Thank you this is the feedback I was looking for, you explained the points I was curious about.
Why is there no source code? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of Android?
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Google didn't release the source code for Honeycomb because they didn't want it ported to smartphones.
Now, with the release of Ice Cream Sandwich, we expect the release of the source code, because this is the convergence version between smartphones and tablets.
And this is good news, because yesterday one Italian operator confirmed that the GT 10.1 will receive this upgrade.
And then we will really see how wonderfully capable are the developers in this forum.
In paris V5 all day. +1 added to everyone that recommended it already.
I really like In Paris. I am currently on Bindroid, also fast and smooth and I love the themed status bar.
dhuewes said:
Foreword to the developers - I think you do a fantastic work, given the circumstances, with no source code available - but I want to be sincere and share my own experience.
After trying ALL available ROM's (first time a month ago and this week for the second time) I concluded that the rooted stock TW (KME) is the best one. I know it doesn't have all the customization and tweaks found on other ROM's (which are of personal taste), but is by far the most stable and smooth ROM you can have on your GT7510.
The current ROM's have many bugs (you can see how frequently they are updated) and they really don't add much performance, if at all.
FC's, color problems, freezing, reboots and lags are some of the problems I experienced with all custom ROM's. The stock ROM is a product that passed a far stricter QA process, so it will certainly have less bugs like these.
I am sure many users in this forum will disagree with me, but this is my real experience.
And, just to be clear - YES! I love my GT7510! It is one of the best tablets today, if not the best!
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this is what I'm looking for too! link to this rom?
thanks!
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this is what I'm looking for too! link to this rom?
thanks!
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Are you looking for a link to the stock ROM? Lol
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Towle said:
Thank you this is the feedback I was looking for, you explained the points I was curious about.
Why is there no source code? Doesn't this defeat the purpose of Android?
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Good feedback here but neglects the other side of the story that the other custom rom are not just about customizations or themes i have tangible benefits in responsiveness and video playback, connectivity to adhoc networks etc so as commented it does not take long to try these out for yourself
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My suggestion would be to try Overcome ROM. I switched from Paris because I prefer the stock honeycomb look and I find it smooth and fluid (not that In Paris isn't also good, just prefer Overcome's look and feel more).
Hi all, i'm going to buy this device, probably, but i'm a bit scared by its particularity.
I fear that not so many devs will pick it up and support for long time...who's here, apart from Chainfire (great guy, but he develops root methods mostly, not full roms or super optimized kernel, he shows the way to others )?
Supercurio (another great dev, but with specific attention to color/sound and not to full roms, again) could come up later (he doesn't seem the "0 day" buyer ), or at least i hope so, and i think Cyanogen will come pretty soon (but could it be with S-Pen full support or not?), but then?
Is it out in USA or not yet?
Sorry for all the questions (they may sound even dumb, i know), but continuous development is the only main "?" i'm facing before the purchase (my galaxy s1, far from being perfect, gained incredible improvements from devs' work)
Same doubts here... How about developers who have the device/are about to buy comment on this thread, that way we can know about the kind of developer support we can expect.
It took 7 months for the GSII to come to the US. I wouldn't cross my fingers.
I'm running rooted stock right now and I am already getting better battery, performance than my S2, and loving this HD screen!
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But when I bought the SGSII in June 1st week, a lot of development was already taking place. The Note is following the same launch trajectory: UK>Europe>India>South-East Asia> then rest of the world. Now that it's available in India, I don't see many developers who have adopted the device.
kunalparwani said:
But when I bought the SGSII in June 1st week, a lot of development was already taking place. The Note is following the same launch trajectory: UK>Europe>India>South-East Asia> then rest of the world. Now that it's available in India, I don't see many developers who have adopted the device.
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The op was asking if the Note was in the US, wasn't responding to you.
Why run custom ROMs when the system is already godly? Anyways just look at the At&t ****rocket, it is a piece of **** that At&t created and it is still getting devs.
If you think development is a problem, there's a simple solution... go with your gut. No one here can tell you what to do, the Note runs faster and smoother than my GSII that has cooked roms. Cooked ROMs can increase some aspects, but mess up others. Once someone zipaligns and adds some init'd scripts, I'll be happy.
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The op was asking if the Note was in the US, wasn't responding to you.
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I was asking for availability to US developers, i'm european and very keen to buy this beautiful tabphone (hoping to be able to manage it, i like big screens, but this is just bigger ).
I'm glad it runs so well (but i tried it in store and it didn't look so incredibly smooth, i hope it was due to idiots who mess up everything with their sticky hands ), but i hope to see some customization soon (not only custom samsung roms, that are indeed kinda pointless, but cyano, miui, and hopefully mods of these two roms, deeply modified kernels and so on...ICS )
I have to kind of agree, I really see no reason to put a custom rom on the note, everything just works. I wouldn't mind some themes for when things get a little stale but don't really see a need for a rom.
I have been flashing Roms since 2005. The ONLY reason I would not installed a custom rom is the fear of losing the warranty. But since even that is not a problem usually now, I see no reason why not flashing a custom rom..
E.g: Some people want's to modify their cars, other not.. We respect everyone's opinion(if within reason) and preferences.
BUT: The option to have a Custom Kernel/ROM made by our skilled developers here for performance/optimization, stability and longer battery life and customizations? I would take that every time over the stock..
Hello
I just bought a 7.7 on Verizon. Primarily for SD Card & LTE. But I have major issues with lag on my training videos. I think if I upgrade to ICS this might help. I know Verizon is not releasing anytime soon....
Any suggestions? I Have been searching for 2 days now and just really confused. I really dont want to return this thing. I also bought a Nexus 7 and have had no issues with lag but the 7.7 is so much nicer (expect the lag)
thanks
Do visit this site and find P6800 ROM http://www.filefactory.com/f/16e5683c3e667a17[
For ICS, download XXLQ2 ROM. (Latest)
Happy flashing!
marwanxx said:
Do visit this site and find P6800 ROM http://www.filefactory.com/f/16e5683c3e667a17[
For ICS, download XXLQ2 ROM. (Latest)
Happy flashing!
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Awesome. Thank you. Is there a "go back to stock" in case things dont go well?
thx
agunjal said:
Hello
I just bought a 7.7 on Verizon. Primarily for SD Card & LTE. But I have major issues with lag on my training videos. I think if I upgrade to ICS this might help. I know Verizon is not releasing anytime soon....
Any suggestions? I Have been searching for 2 days now and just really confused. I really dont want to return this thing. I also bought a Nexus 7 and have had no issues with lag but the 7.7 is so much nicer (expect the lag)
thanks
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You have a Verizon tab. It's a different model, with different hardware. The 6800/6810 firmwares will not work for you. In fact, they will probably brick your device. Do NOT Download any file for the international, GT-P6800/GT-P6810!!!
Over at the development forum, you will find CM9/CM10. Those are independent from Samsung/Verizon, based on Google's ICS/JB code. They are currently the only choice of ICS+ for the Verizon model.
Steve_max said:
You have a Verizon tab. It's a different model, with different hardware. The 6800/6810 firmwares will not work for you. In fact, they will probably brick your device. Do NOT Download any file for the international, GT-P6800/GT-P6810!!!
Over at the development forum, you will find CM9/CM10. Those are independent from Samsung/Verizon, based on Google's ICS/JB code. They are currently the only choice of ICS+ for the Verizon model.
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phew..thanks...I was just about to...I am returning this thing and will wait until they update it...thanks everyone
You can use iocerra's cm9 and cm10 builds for ics and jb, but they don't have lte so that might be a deal breaker. Or you can root, install titanium backup and freeze/remove some apps to see if you can reduce lag. Or you can wait. All good options, depending on what you want / need.
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Hi,
In case it helps, I have an up-to-date Galaxy Note 2 ROM list kept here, which includes the GT-N7100, N7105 models.
Someone was asking for a list in the AT&T section, so I thought I'd post this info in each section to tell people.
It's kind of a hobby, but it's kept up-to-date pretty much every day.
Some of you might find it useful.
That's some serious consolidation done there m8! Great job, surely helps!
Thanks.
Just a quick bump in case it can help anyone out who doesn't know about it.
Super awesome. If you could just sort it base wise like touchwiz and aosp.
this is XXXDDDAAA
Hi,
It came to my attention that I'd forgotten to add a few roms from the `Original Android Development' sections for the different carriers.
Sorry about that. Those roms have now been added.
Just a quick bump. The Galaxy Note 2 ROMs list is still regularly updated.
I hope it continues to help people out. As usual most of the ROMs are here at XDA.
Thanks.
Note 2 ROMs
cool thanks
I'm still using my Note 2 (believe it or not). The Galaxy Note 2 ROMs list is still going strong, too - although it has gotten easier with less ROM development.
(This is kind of a thread bump. I'm looking to switch to a Galaxy S8 Edge in the near future, if they are any good.)
Grant Barker said:
I'm still using my Note 2 (believe it or not). The Galaxy Note 2 ROMs list is still going strong, too - although it has gotten easier with less ROM development.
(This is kind of a thread bump. I'm looking to switch to a Galaxy S8 Edge in the near future, if they are any good.)
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Which rom you recommended for daily driver?
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amlbuton said:
Which rom you recommended for daily driver?
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Sorry for the boring reply, but I would recommend whichever one you try and like.
MIUI is nice for a change sometimes. Here in Japan, we were limited as to which ROMs we could flash, so I eventually went back to the latest ROMs from the carrier (DoCoMo).
The Galaxy Note 2 is still a nice phone. I'm looking forward to changing devices in the coming months, after having stayed with the Note 2 since it came out.
I pay quite a bit each month here for my phone, so it makes sense to benefit from a newer device if I'm still paying quite a bit each month.
The Note 2 still does everything I need it to do. But after trying other devices in the stores, I realize that they are quicker, lighter, and it's important to freshen up life with new experiences. (I'm kind of old fashioned, so I have to remind myself to change every few years.)
(It can also be tricky getting a 24 month contract when you live abroad and rely on renewing your visa annually.)
.. Go with whichever ROM you like, and read the threads and see how much enthusiasm there is for each one.
Grant Barker said:
Sorry for the boring reply, but I would recommend whichever one you try and like.
MIUI is nice for a change sometimes. Here in Japan, we were limited as to which ROMs we could flash, so I eventually went back to the latest ROMs from the carrier (DoCoMo).
The Galaxy Note 2 is still a nice phone. I'm looking forward to changing devices in the coming months, after having stayed with the Note 2 since it came out.
I pay quite a bit each month here for my phone, so it makes sense to benefit from a newer device if I'm still paying quite a bit each month.
The Note 2 still does everything I need it to do. But after trying other devices in the stores, I realize that they are quicker, lighter, and it's important to freshen up life with new experiences. (I'm kind of old fashioned, so I have to remind myself to change every few years.)
(It can also be tricky getting a 24 month contract when you live abroad and rely on renewing your visa annually.)
.. Go with whichever ROM you like, and read the threads and see how much enthusiasm there is for each one.
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Thanks for your prompt reply
I do still have my Note 2 running with stock rom 4.4.2 from Indonesia region but lately interested in change the current rom
I will check the thread for custom rom sharing and tested based on other users review
Thanks again bro [emoji106] [emoji106] [emoji106]
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Your @Grant Barker list doesn't have haxynox 6.0.1
Here's the link
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=60049
old school it's better great artwork !
deepjyoti30 said:
Your @Grant Barker list doesn't have haxynox 6.0.1
Here's the link
https://www.androidfilehost.com/?w=files&flid=60049
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Do you know the main ROM thread for that? (It doesn't have to be XDA.)
For example: This thread links to these files.
That ROM you posted the link to is dated as more recent, so it would be nice to know the thread it belongs to.
Thanks.
I dont think theres even a thread but therom works fine. I flashed it some days back @Grant Barker
Only the buttons backlight doesn't work. Other than that everything works fine.
deepjyoti30 said:
I dont think theres even a thread but therom works fine. I flashed it some days back @Grant Barker
Only the buttons backlight doesn't work. Other than that everything works fine.
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Here's the screens
OK. I've asked around, and I'll see if anyone knows or updates a related thread.
Thank you.
Thanks a lot.
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[LSD] Proudly PresentGalaxy Tab S 10.5 Stock ROM Deodexed [Rooted]
Code:
Bla bla your warranty is void and you know that :rolleyes: or is it?
*Screenshots are taken from a note 10.1 (2012 edition) but apps are from Tab-S!
For changelog go to post 2
For information go to post 3
*Stock Modified Boot.img
*Stock Kernel
*Deodexed
*Zipaligned
*Init.d support
*Busybox
*Unsecure Kernel
*More stuff i don't remember
*Knox Removed Partially [Not sure if its in kernel as well]
*SE Linux Enforcing [Kernel sources ins't out or?]
Install Instructions
Extract updater-script to desktop and edit the partition details
repack the zip and flash using CWM Recovery
Special Thanks to
@open1your1eyes0
Download
P.S If you succeeded downloading the torrent please feel free to upload it to a host, i don't have access to any good file hosting service
Changelog
v0.1
Initial relase once CWM is available please report
Feel free to use this package however you wan't to.
You can even improve it however you wan't to i don't mind. No credits are needed i'm just here for sharing
Can't wait to try this
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Thanks for this....BUT...custom recovery would be nice. Anyone working on it?
Patiently waiting for custom recovery! Look forward to trying this.
iMJets said:
Patiently waiting for custom recovery! Look forward to trying this.
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Well I don't think anyone is working on it, so we are stuck with stock. I'm sure eventually we will, but Dev action on this thing is poor.
suzook said:
Well I don't think anyone is working on it, so we are stuck with stock. I'm sure eventually we will, but Dev action on this thing is poor.
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Have you heard something? I never owned something that did not have cool stuff.
One of the problems facing the S model is that Samsung just came out with the Pro model and most of the people who wanted a tablet of this caliber already bought that. If there never had been a Pro model I feel confident we would be getting a lot more activity.
Anyway we already have root and at least the 8.4 guys have a kernel.
mitchellvii said:
One of the problems facing the S model is that Samsung just came out with the Pro model and most of the people who wanted a tablet of this caliber already bought that. If there never had been a Pro model I feel confident we would be getting a lot more activity.
Anyway we already have root and at least the 8.4 guys have a kernel.
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Only reason we have root,is beanstown did us a favor. If he had a tab, We would have custom recovery and custom ROMs already. I really don't understand why people won't donate a device.
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One of the problems facing the S model is that Samsung just came out with the Pro model and most of the people who wanted a tablet of this caliber already bought that. If there never had been a Pro model I feel confident we would be getting a lot more activity.
Anyway we already have root and at least the 8.4 guys have a kernel.
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indeed
suzook said:
Only reason we have root,is beanstown did us a favor. If he had a tab, We would have custom recovery and custom ROMs already. I really don't understand why people won't donate a device.
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Because xda is based wholly on developers doing others favors and not on being compensated in advance to do so. Anyone who enjoys bean's work is free to donate to him after the fact. Xda is a volunteer network, not a marketplace.
Just be patient. We'll get our share of kernels and roms eventually. It's not like the Tab S is a worthless brick without it. For me this performs better than any tablet I've ever owned as is.
Exactly. And it isn't as though you can't get much of what you would want from a custom ROM via Xposed, launchers, and the like.
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Exactly. And it isn't as though you can't get much of what you would want from a custom ROM via Xposed, launchers, and the like.
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Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
** Edit: I put this badly. What I meant was that roms seem to people like themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in. They are not the game changers they used to be when these devices had weak processors and a few hundred extra benchmark points really meant something.
Roms are awesome, but they aren't as vital as they once were.
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Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
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I couldn't disagree more. That's ridiculous.
mitchellvii said:
Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
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Couldn't disagree with you more. There are alot of edits done to system files that you don't know about. Alot of work goes into incorporating those mods that people like you take for granted. Please don't be ignorant.
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Exactly. Other than CM, most roms are just themed debloated stock with some Xposed thrown in.
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I have built & released custom ROMs based on Samsung official firmware.
There is a huge amount of work involved to create these ROMs and even more to support them. That's why I quit. ... (Not enough time in the day). I rarely used Xposed except for unsupported DPI changes.
Samsung "stock" ROMs are based on official Samsung firmware.
CM is "stock" ROM based on official Google source.
Based on the above, both CM and Samsung "custom" ROMs are both "stock" and "custom" (as in customised)..... If you customise anything, then it is "custom"
I am sure though that your post doesn't exactly read what you really meant.
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Let me clarify. I think I put that badly.
While roms are quite an bit more work than just debloating, theming and using xposed, many of them feel to the user like that was all that was done, especially with these incredibly fast new processors that can overpower and make even not the best code run fast and smooth. I recall years ago when the HTC Evo came out. A good rom could make a HUGE difference in performance. Now take the Note 3. Using a great rom there by Freeza. Sure it's a little better than stock but the improvement isn't nearly as dramatic as in the past.
I guess my overall point is this. The Tab S is such an excellent device that even if if no one ever creates a rom for us, we will still be able to have a fast solid machine. Roms are awesome but they are not the game changers they once were.
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Let me clarify. I think I put that badly.
While roms are quite an bit more work than just debloating, theming and using xposed, many of them feel to the user like that was all that was done, especially with these incredibly fast new processors that can overpower and make even not the best code run fast and smooth. I recall years ago when the HTC Evo came out. A good rom could make a HUGE difference in performance. Now take the Note 3. Using a great rom there by Freeza. Sure it's a little better than stock but the improvement isn't nearly as dramatic in the past.
I guess my overall point is this. The Tab S is such an excellent device that even if if no one ever creates a rom for us, we will still be able to have a fast solid machine. Roms are awesome but they are not the game changers they once were.
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I couldn't more then agree with you.
We already got the horse power of the tablet I never over clocked my s4 or note 10.1 because I don't feel the need to. Basically its the New features of other devices I'm curious to try out. that's why note 10.1 (2012) got the file manager from this tab and it's beautiful. A Rom is fast with a good options to choose for the user so he can make it his. Speed isn't anything that's basically needed of course its fun to use the max power but for the love of your tablet be careful. that's why I haven't included anything of these kind of apps.
Also just to mention one app is missing because it didn't deodex successfully. will add it as an optional package.
Again this is just a pure stock deodex rom I don't own this tablet but I decided since i used it for porting and there was no deodexed rom I'd make one. Does anyone know what partition boot image is at?
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Wasn't Xposed designed to give the average user access to customizations they would typically only get in a rom previously? Sort of like a WYSIWYG editor instead of writing out the code by hand? And launchers speed up your experience in many of the ways only roms used to. With root and a decent app anyone can debloat their rig.
So many of the things we used to need roms for we no longer do. Of course roms like CM make a bigger difference but then again you give up some cool functionality. It's like taking the surround sound out of a racecar. Yeah you go faster but you miss your tunes (or split screen as the case may be).
Anyway, for me root and a good kernel are essential. Roms? A luxury but no longer the staple they used to be. That's not to say luxuries aren't nice and I'm sure I'll indulge if a certified developer cooks one up for us, but even if they never do I'm ok. This tablet still rocks.
DISCLAIMER: Everything I've written here is simply my opinion and the viewpoint of a non developer. I am not attempting to pontificate some greater truth, it's simply how I see it. If you disagree with me that's all good. It's a big tent here and room for lots of different viewpoints. ☺