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Question about binary counter for insurance issue

Hello everyone,
Today I have root my i9500 today through this topic http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/4...exynos5-root-android422-xxuamde-jellybean.htm
I did this because I want to flash to another country firmware. So I root the phone and I flash it back to an official firmware. When I go to Dowload Mode to check the binary counter status, I see this :
Current binary: samsung official
System status: official
how is it possible? I thought that when we root the device once, the counter is not zero anymore, do I miss something? Is there somewhere else that showing Binary Counter? Could the Current binary be official even if the counter is not zero?
Can we reset the binary counter with Triangle Away for the i9500? People report that it works for i9505, but does someone try if it works for i9500?
Thank you in advance.

I think binary counter increases when we use twrp or cwm
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Madawcisrich said:
Hello everyone,
Today I have root my i9500 today through this topic http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/4...exynos5-root-android422-xxuamde-jellybean.htm
I did this because I want to flash to another country firmware. So I root the phone and I flash it back to an official firmware. When I go to Dowload Mode to check the binary counter status, I see this :
Current binary: samsung official
System status: official
how is it possible? I thought that when we root the device once, the counter is not zero anymore, do I miss something? Is there somewhere else that showing Binary Counter? Could the Current binary be official even if the counter is not zero?
Can we reset the binary counter with Triangle Away for the i9500? People report that it works for i9505, but does someone try if it works for i9500?
Thank you in advance.
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Triangle Away only works on the I9505 atm unfortunately.

Zahid Ali said:
I think binary counter increases when we use twrp or cwm
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Thank you for your answer. Sorry for my noobiness, but I don't know what is twrp. So clearly, does my counter increase or not? If i send my phone to samsung, will they notify that I have already root once my phone? Thank you in advance

Zahid Ali said:
I think binary counter increases when we use twrp or cwm
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It will always say 1 after each reboot if you have custom recovery, even if you could reset the counter to 0.

gee2012 said:
It will always say 1 after each reboot if you have custom recovery, even if you could reset the counter to 0.
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So you mean that my counter is zero now, since my binary status is samsung official?

Madawcisrich said:
So you mean that my counter is zero now, since my binary status is samsung official?
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No, it is most probably 1. Most servicecenters however rarely check the counter. I once turned in a rooted S2 with a custom rom on it and it got fixed under warranty. They wipe it and reflash a stock rom after repair.

binary counter is hidden in s4
you do not need to root for flashing official firmware!

samersh72 said:
binary counter is hidden in s4
you do not need to root for flashing official firmware!
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Correct, didn`t know that. First time on a Samsung device
Does the counter show up in Triangle Away on the I9505?

samersh72 said:
binary counter is hidden in s4
you do not need to root for flashing official firmware!
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ha, didn't know that. So according to you, will I have some problem if I return the phone to Samsung?

Madawcisrich said:
ha, didn't know that. So according to you, will I have some problem if I return the phone to Samsung?
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flashing unsigned stuff by samsung (cwm, rom..) via odin only, turn your status to custom and increase binary counter. i see that your status is official. but i think you dont have 0 count since when you rooted your phone you used odin.
if samsung look at your counter, so there is a problem

samersh72 said:
flashing unsigned stuff by samsung (cwm, rom..) via odin only, turn your status to custom and increase binary counter. i see that your status is official. but i think you dont have 0 count since when you rooted your phone you used odin.
if samsung look at your counter, so there is a problem
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So at the moment there is no solution for the i9500 to reset the counter to 0, right?

Madawcisrich said:
So at the moment there is no solution for the i9500 to reset the counter to 0, right?
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not by using triangle away (waiting CF for solution). but i dont know if there is other solution. search

Any galaxy s4 i9500 Indian users with root?????

Hello friends I have a i9500 Indian version and I want to root but worried about the counter has anyone been able to root and later was the service able to detect the counter please help
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hypergamer1231 said:
Hello friends I have a i9500 Indian version and I want to root but worried about the counter has anyone been able to root and later was the service able to detect the counter please help
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Yes, no way to reset the counter atm on the I9500 and it is visible for service personal.

gee2012 said:
Yes, no way to reset the counter atm on the I9500 and it is visible for service personal.
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Thanks a ton for the reply so did the svc center void the warranty and does this mean we will have to wait till chainfire or someone can find a way to make triangle away work on the I9500.....I kinda feel sad for the exynos variant isnt there any way to root the device without losing the warranty..

hypergamer1231 said:
Thanks a ton for the reply so did the svc center void the warranty and does this mean we will have to wait till chainfire or someone can find a way to make triangle away work on the I9500.....I kinda feel sad for the exynos variant isnt there any way to root the device without losing the warranty..
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Not that i know of, it is triggered when custom software is beeing installed with Odin.

gee2012 said:
Not that i know if, it is triggered when custom software is beeing installed by Odin.
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So what am trying to check here is if i install a custom recovery which obviously will be via odin and for some reason if i have to give the phone to the svc center and i flash back to the stock rom will i be able to cover it under warranty....

hypergamer1231 said:
So what am trying to check here is if i install a custom recovery which obviously will be via odin and for some reason if i have to give the phone to the svc center and i flash back to the stock rom will i be able to cover it under warranty....
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Your counter will still be raised and the status will still show modified, if they see that they may void warranty as it is not in original condition.

I am rooted. My counter is at 0. Link to stock rom with root is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Flashing this via odin doesnt trip the counter.

hellboy13 said:
I am rooted. My counter is at 0. Link to stock rom with root is below
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2317105
Flashing this via odin doesnt trip the counter.
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Yup, thats the only exception Unless you want/need custom recovery.

[Q] How to Root N900 Exynos the Safest Way Possible?

Hi all, I just got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and it's N900 Exynos version. I was wondering how to root my phone in the safest way possible. I read some thread in the forum and they say that the N900 Exynos doesn't have KNOX, but in my phone there's a KNOX app. Will the KNOX not triggered if I root my phone with CF Root? Or is there another way?
Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks before

kusumalaga said:
Hi all, I just got my Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and it's N900 Exynos version. I was wondering how to root my phone in the safest way possible. I read some thread in the forum and they say that the N900 Exynos doesn't have KNOX, but in my phone there's a KNOX app. Will the KNOX not triggered if I root my phone with CF Root? Or is there another way?
Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks before
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no dont think you got knox to make sure go into download mode if it says knox 00 then oops if no knox just root
or you have this op http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2498850

jaythenut said:
no dont think you got knox to make sure go into download mode if it says knox 00 then oops if no knox just root
or you have this op http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2498850
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When I go to Download mode/Odin Mode I got:
PRODUCT NAME: SM-N900
CURRENT BINARY: SAMSUNG OFFICIAL
SYSTEM STATUS: OFFICIAL
Does this mean I don't have KNOX and it's safe to root using CF Root?

kusumalaga said:
When I go to Download mode/Odin Mode I got:
PRODUCT NAME: SM-N900
CURRENT BINARY: SAMSUNG OFFICIAL
SYSTEM STATUS: OFFICIAL
Does this mean I don't have KNOX and it's safe to root using CF Root?
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Looks good to me only thing that might happen is system status custom
So once you root backup rom before you put cwm on

jaythenut said:
Looks good to me only thing that might happen is system status custom
So once you root backup rom before you put cwm on
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Mmm.. How do I backup my ROM without CWM or any other custom recovery? I usually back it up with Nandroid backup from CWM

kusumalaga said:
Mmm.. How do I backup my ROM without CWM or any other custom recovery? I usually back it up with Nandroid backup from CWM
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good point lol i ment flash rom

jaythenut said:
good point lol i ment flash rom
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Ah alright then I'm gonna try it. Thanks a bunch mate :good:

kusumalaga said:
Ah alright then I'm gonna try it. Thanks a bunch mate :good:
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Hi, today i got myself a note 3 Exynos version and was wondering if you managed to root it. Mine to doesn't have knox on the bootloader also although the app is preinstalled. I'd really appreciate your repsonse / reply on how you went about rooting your note 3 and/if you manged to do so safely.

knoknot said:
Hi, today i got myself a note 3 Exynos version and was wondering if you managed to root it. Mine to doesn't have knox on the bootloader also although the app is preinstalled. I'd really appreciate your repsonse / reply on how you went about rooting your note 3 and/if you manged to do so safely.
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Yes mine is rooted now . I used CF-Root and I think it's safe enough.

kusumalaga said:
Yes mine is rooted now . I used CF-Root and I think it's safe enough.
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Thank you so much man for the response. just one more quick question: is the binary showing official or custom on the bootloader?

knoknot said:
Thank you so much man for the response. just one more quick question: is the binary showing official or custom on the bootloader?
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Sorry for the late reply, haven't been on xda for a while. Binary shows official on download mode

[share] about knox , root and odin firmware [please read before posting]

Hey friends:
im a normal member and everything above is only sharing
So you may get upset because of this thread
but i'll make things clear, everytime i open Q&A forum i see repeated questions everywhere
so here ill put some repeated answers about those stuff above
1. knox: well when you buy a new galaxy s5 the knox state will be 0*0 , but when you root your phone, flash custom recovery,custom kernel or custom rom this will trip knox and the knox state will be 0*1 and your warrenty will be void.
P.S: flashing firmware via odin will not trip knox
- so if you want to root without tripping knox you can go to this website : http://www.towelroot.com install apk by pressing the sign.
you will be able to root your phone quick from the phone itself but only if your phone on firmware from 3rd june or less
or your phone will not be rooted, but you can also root it by chainfire method from here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2696537
you can also use mobile odin to flash firmwares but be carefull to be sure about your phone model.
you can install the app from playstore or from this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1347899
P.S: firmwares can be downloaded from here : http://www.sammobile.com
i hope you Moderators understand me and dont get angry or close this thread because im only sharing and thought it will help my friends and the new forum members.
and at last im a member and i have the right to post what it usefull to xda community
hope that i helped.

Is is possible to use any Odin (I have 3 or 4 on my downloads) to flash stock over unlocked O2?

swipermusic said:
Is is possible to use any Odin (I have 3 or 4 on my downloads) to flash stock over unlocked O2?
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to flash firmware you can use computer odin v3.09 and then extract the md5 file from the firmware zip and put it in AP in odin (and maybe different version of odin says PDA)

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What about "System Status", in recovery I have a "System Status: Custom", knox 0x0 though, I'm rooted and use Xposed, what does this mean? how can I reverse it to "OFFICIAL", is this important when it comes to warranty?
THANKS! :highfive: :good: :fingers-crossed:

aguarello said:
What about "System Status", in recovery I have a "System Status: Custom", knox 0x0 though, I'm rooted and use Xposed, what does this mean? how can I reverse it to "OFFICIAL", is this important when it comes to warranty?
THANKS! :highfive: :good: :fingers-crossed:
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well i think its not so important.
and look in settings>>about>>states
is it official or custom?

Galaxy_Guy said:
well i think its not so important.
and look in settings>>about>>states
is it official or custom?
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Custom

aguarello said:
Custom
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means your system has been modified and no OTA's will be available

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wajiman said:
means your system has been modified and no OTA's will be available
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I don't care about OTA's, but how does this impacts warranty? Can be reversed to "Official?
Thanks man I really appreciate your help.

aguarello said:
What about "System Status", in recovery I have a "System Status: Custom", knox 0x0 though, I'm rooted and use Xposed, what does this mean? how can I reverse it to "OFFICIAL", is this important when it comes to warranty?
THANKS! :highfive: :good: :fingers-crossed:
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Use Triangle Away by chainfire, the system status will be reverted to Official.

This Thread - Fully redundant

pda4g said:
This Thread - Fully redundant
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but its usefull for some new S5 users, its not necessary to be usefull for you.

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Luckzao said:
Use Triangle Away by chainfire, the system status will be reverted to Official.
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Will this be permanent or the status will be just "faked"?
thanks! :victory:

aguarello said:
Will this be permanent or the status will be just "faked"?
thanks! :victory:
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AFAIK it will be fake, the only way to officially convert it to original is, uninstall root reboot and then reinstall root and SuperSU to user directory, not to system. This method worked for Roms prior to 3rd June.

wajiman said:
AFAIK it will be fake, the only way to officially convert it to original is, uninstall root reboot and then reinstall root and SuperSU to user directory, not to system. This method worked for Roms prior to 3rd June.
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Ughhhh should have know that before updating and installing SuperSU to system... So no way to revert it if ROM is posterior to 3rd June? Even flashing official ROM again without root? :crying:
THANKS!

aguarello said:
Ughhhh should have know that before updating and installing SuperSU to system... So no way to revert it if ROM is posterior to 3rd June? Even flashing official ROM again without root? :crying:
THANKS!
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Yes you can downgrade, i downgraded from NG2 to NE2 myself without problems. Just flash the NE2 rom with Odin and data factory reset afterwards. Then use TR to root again.

gee2012 said:
Yes you can downgrade, i downgraded from NG2 to NE2 myself without problems. Just flash the NE2 rom with Odin and data factory reset afterwards. Then use TR to root again.
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Downgrade is possible without tripp knox,without problems?

AEkiz said:
Downgrade is possible without tripp knox,without problems?
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Yes, KNOX is still 0x0 for me after the downgrade and the bootloader is downgraded to the NE2 one.

gee2012 said:
Yes, KNOX is still 0x0 for me after the downgrade and the bootloader is downgraded to the NE2 one.
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Thanks for your reply
maybe I'll try tomorrow

gee2012 said:
Yes you can downgrade, i downgraded from NG2 to NE2 myself without problems. Just flash the NE2 rom with Odin and data factory reset afterwards. Then use TR to root again.
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THANKS! To downgrade you just have to flash the NE2 rom? No more files? Sorry I'm kind of a noob

aguarello said:
THANKS! To downgrade you just have to flash the NE2 rom? No more files? Sorry I'm kind of a noob
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Yes, i only flashed the older firmware without a extra PIT file or bootloader file. Make sure to untick Auto Reboot first in Odin, after the flash pull the battery, wait for 10-20 seconds, boot into recovery and do a data factory reset and then the phone should boot normal and both the firmware and bootloader are downgraded to NE2 and KNOX remains 0x0. At least it worked for me this way and i expect it to work for others the same way

[Q] Did Samsung Galaxy S3 Neo(GT-I9300I) has Knox Security???

Please can anyone tell me did S3 Neo also has Knox Security, I don't see Knox written anywhere in Odin mode.

Kashmir Hackers said:
Please can anyone tell me did S3 Neo also has Knox Security, I don't see Knox written anywhere in Odin mode.
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Yes S3 Neo has Knox. You can use this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bryancandi.knoxcheck app to check if you have Knox.
Info :
0x0 Warranty valid/You have knox
0x1 Warranty void/You don't have knox
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Kashmir Hackers said:
Please can anyone tell me did S3 Neo also has Knox Security, I don't see Knox written anywhere in Odin mode.
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Software tools say it has. But after flashing different roms and recoveries gazzilion times mine still says 0x0. As you can see from the screenshot even atm I am using cm12.1 with TWRP recovery and it hasnt done anything to the counter. So to be honest I think no matter what you do you can just flash back stock from odin and keep waranty.

xXPR0T0TYPEXx said:
Yes S3 Neo has Knox. You can use this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bryancandi.knoxcheck app to check if you have Knox.
Info :
0x0 Warranty valid/You have knox
0x1 Warranty void/You don't have knox
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Does it really mean we have Knox Security if the app shows 0x0 ???

mandzo said:
Software tools say it has. But after flashing different roms and recoveries gazzilion times mine still says 0x0. As you can see from the screenshot even atm I am using cm12.1 with TWRP recovery and it hasnt done anything to the counter. So to be honest I think no matter what you do you can just flash back stock from odin and keep waranty.
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Wow, then it is really a good news but can anyone else confirm it....Please

Kashmir Hackers said:
Wow, then it is really a good news but can anyone else confirm it....Please
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Heres another screenshot from Phone Info app. Now the since this app detects knox warranty void on models like s4, s5 and as far as I know s6, I highly doubt samsung went thru the trouble of putting some undetectable warranty counter and a mid range device such as our S3 neos.

mandzo said:
Heres another screenshot from Phone Info app. Now the since this app detects knox warranty void on models like s4, s5 and as far as I know s6, I highly doubt samsung went thru the trouble of putting some undetectable warranty counter and a mid range device such as our S3 neos.
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My Phone is just two months old , should I root my mobile because I'm afraid of tripping the knox counter which obviously you can't reset.

Kashmir Hackers said:
My Phone is just two months old , should I root my mobile because I'm afraid of tripping the knox counter which obviously you can't reset.
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I rooted mine the second day I got it (I got it somewhere around January). So far havent had any problems with it and the knox (if there is one) still says 0x0. That said rooting and flashing custom recovery is still something that may potentialy harm your device so its up to you to decide. Dont take my words as 100% proof everything will be ok. Maybe indeed w8 for a few more ppl to say if they had any problems with knox so far.

Kashmir Hackers said:
Does it really mean we have Knox Security if the app shows 0x0 ???
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I am not 100% sure mate.
I checked my build.prop file and I found this "ro.config.knox=v00" I don"t know if it means, our phone has knox. I also found an app called "KNOX notification manager" in settings.
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xXPR0T0TYPEXx said:
I am not 100% sure mate.
I checked my build.prop file and I found this "ro.config.knox=v00" I don"t know if it means, our phone has knox. I also found an app called "KNOX notification manager" in settings.
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Knox isnt only related to warranty btw. It allso has to do with samsung enterprise security crap. Thats why we have some knox apps on our phones.
But again w8 for more reports from ppl who have rooted before you do it just to be safe.

mandzo said:
Knox isnt only related to warranty btw. It allso has to do with samsung enterprise security crap. Thats why we have some knox apps on our phones.
But again w8 for more reports from ppl who have rooted before you do it just to be safe.
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Hey Buddy guess what? I took the risk and rooted my mobile with Cf Auto Root method and everything went smoothely and when I checked Knox status with apps nothing has changed and in Odin mode also only status has changed to Custom nothing else.
Mission Accomplished

Kashmir Hackers said:
Hey Buddy guess what? I took the risk and rooted my mobile with Cf Auto Root method and everything went smoothely and when I checked Knox status with apps nothing has changed and in Odin mode also only status has changed to Custom nothing else.
Mission Accomplished
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Glad everything went fine. Enjoy your rooted s3 neo.

mandzo said:
Glad everything went fine. Enjoy your rooted s3 neo.
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You know what after rooting my mobile the first thing I did is to remove the Knox crap from my mobile, they scared me enough but not anymore:good:

I can confirm that re-flashing a stock rom resets the binary counter to official. Happy rooting!

SpaceDye said:
I can confirm that re-flashing a stock rom resets the binary counter to official. Happy rooting!
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Happy to hear that , thanks buddy for letting others know.

SpaceDye said:
I can confirm that re-flashing a stock rom resets the binary counter to official. Happy rooting!
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Does it means I have my warranty back if I reflash official stock rom?
Im thinking about flash CM 12.1 but i still have 1 year and 6 month's warranty.

funchomix said:
Does it means I have my warranty back if I reflash official stock rom?
Im thinking about flash CM 12.1 but i still have 1 year and 6 month's warranty.
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Yep! Your warranty will not be void as long as your device is running a stock rom when you turn it in. You can check your binary counter by going to download mode.

funchomix said:
Does it means I have my warranty back if I reflash official stock rom?
Im thinking about flash CM 12.1 but i still have 1 year and 6 month's warranty.
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If you flash CM 12.1 , it will trip the binary counter but you can always reset the binary counter with the help of Triangle Away App by ChainFire. Resetting the binary counter and then flashing the Stock Rom will restore the warranty of your device.

Kashmir Hackers said:
If you flash CM 12.1 , it will trip the binary counter but you can always reset the binary counter with the help of Triangle Away App by ChainFire. Resetting the binary counter and then flashing the Stock Rom will restore the warranty of your device.
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On this phone KNOX not work and does not tick. 100%

maxxim62 said:
On this phone KNOX not work and does not tick. 100%
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I'm not talking about Knox Counter but I'm talking about Binary Counter which every Samsung phone already have and keeps track of how many times a custom firmware had been flashed. And as far as Knox Security is concerned there is still no way to reset Knox counter but fortunately S3 NEO don't have it.