I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
k33 said:
I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I think it will be impossible to switch to Windows Mobile 7, mainly due to the fact that that OS does not exist and there are also no devices running Windows Mobile 8 (because that doesn't exist either) . There's Windows Phone 7 which is, as the name suggests, closer to Windows Phone 8 than it is to Windows Mobile 6.5.
Anyway, the chances of anyone running Windows Phone 7 on a Windows Phone 8 device are basically the same as running Android, Sailfish OS or Firefox OS on a Windows Phone 8 device: Close to 0.
This is due to the secure boot of Windows Phone 8. Unless we find away around this, there's basically no chance.
Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
k33 said:
Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Well, there is no Windows Phone 6.5 either
It's Windows Mobile 6.5
Windows Phone 7
Windows Phone 8
But this should be in Q&A forum anyway...
k33 said:
Thank you. Yes, i referred to Windows Phone 6.5 / 7 (that might be based on windows mobile, that itself is based on windows CE, as far as i know :fingers-crossed: ).
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc.
I think i wait a bit if some IT geniuses like WOLF and others find a way and otherwise sell my Ative S.
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Windows Phone 8 is backwards compatible to most of Windows Phone 7 apps. It is, however not backwards compatible to Windows Mobile 6.5 Apps. Neither is Windows Phone 7, btw (except for a few selected apps that have been hacked and made executable on a fully unlocked WP7 device). The namechange was accompanied by a paradigm shift in the whole OS.
Maybe the thread should be renamed to "Changing back to Windows Mobile 6.5"
Never post before breakfast.. :cyclops:
Didn´t use a Windows Mobile phone some time. Usability was far superior to Android or WP7/8.
Also the GUI and app speed was very impressive compared to the new OSses, even with a three digit mhz CPU.
Might be very "handy" to use that on current hardware.
It won't be easy to find idiot that will port new SoCs BSPs to CE5/CE7.
From searching on WP8 before there was backward compatibility to 6.5/7 mentioned. But there are no means to use such great programs like SPB Diary, Mortplayer, Resco Explorer, Opera, Mobipocket Reader, Active Sync, wm5torage, etc
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Not sure why you always mention it like "6.5/7" - they are very different OSes from user point of view, and have some in common internally.
Well, there is no Windows Phone 6.5 either
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There is.
Didn´t use a Windows Mobile phone some time. Usability was far superior to Android or WP7/8.
Also the GUI and app speed was very impressive compared to the new OSses, even with a three digit mhz CPU.
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lol, we're definitely from different realities.
ultrashot said:
It won't be easy to find idiot that will port new SoCs BSPs to CE5/CE7.
Not sure why you always mention it like "6.5/7" - they are very different OSes from user point of view, and have some in common internally.
lol, we're definitely from different realities.
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I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
I am not looking for any "idiot" and if there is no possibility to get hardware support besides unlocking "secure boot" of WP8, i can accept that.
If you find Android or WP8 being your reality it doesn´t mean everybody must see this the same way. I want something productively usable i can configure to my personal needs and no "eyecandy gui" with most settings and configurations hidden to take control out of the hands of the end user.
ultrashot said:
There is.
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Oh, didn't know that
Was Windows Phone 6.5 a pre-version of WP7 ? Or what was it?
k33 said:
I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
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No, it is more a derivative of pure CE rather than WM.
k33 said:
I am not looking for any "idiot" and if there is no possibility to get hardware support besides unlocking "secure boot" of WP8, i can accept that..
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There was unpublished project WML by Cotulla for WP7 and it was virtualizing hardware. Anything like that is supposedly possible, but still too much work.
k33 said:
If you find Android or WP8 being your reality it doesn´t mean everybody must see this the same way. I want something productively usable i can configure to my personal needs and no "eyecandy gui" with most settings and configurations hidden to take control out of the hands of the end user.
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I didn't mean anything bad
I was a very active user of WM when it was actual, but nowadays there is really no sense porting wm to WP just because it is out of date, it won't be updated, there will be no new apps etc. Making drivers is always time consuming, and in that case it is not rewarding as only a small subset of people wants it and MUCH smaller subset really needs it. It is easier to buy HD2.
When I said about "realities" I mean that WM has never been fluid and definitely not far superior to new OSes.
lordmaxey said:
Oh, didn't know that
Was Windows Phone 6.5 a pre-version of WP7 ? Or what was it?
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WP65 is an official name for WM65
k33 said:
I also thought that WP7 was just a GUI extention (for the girls) to get those I-phone style tiles and buttons on WM6.5.
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I like this statement....:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I didn´t know that WP7 was re-designed for chicks.:laugh::laugh::laugh:
You made my day. Thanks.
Edit:
I think we should open a comedy section here at xda...
Don't forget that gdr3 unlocked the potential for multi core processors in the future! Windows phone really isn't made to be a super user phone. Its made to get things done simply and cleanly.
Sent from my Nokia 521 using XDA Windows Phone 8 App
Wm 6.x wasn't more fluid than today's gear, largely down to shoddy driver support, I mean why put a GPU in and not license the drivers....madness, anyhow, it was the last of the great pocket PCs, in comparison "smart phones" were and still are to a large degree dumb.
However, if we leave the almost unlimited potential of WM 6.x aside, WP 7/8 is by far the best Phone OS around. It did have its drawbacks... epic levels of neglect, general stupidity of OEM, MS and carriers and serious style problem (until too late in the day).
Android seems to aim for the middle ground which is why I like it on a tablet, but for my phone, nope, WP holds it own an then some,
I can't ever see a situation where MS would renew its pocket PC ideas, the general masses of users couldn't give two hoots about pocket pc abilities, they want simple to use devices that just work.
So I can't ever see any development in to getting WM revived, and to be honest, as a phone OS...I don't think I'd want it any more anyway
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k33 said:
I don´t want to be lured into all that adware, cloud syncing and tracking crap. There are so many disadvantages of Windows Mobile 8 to some more experienced users in comparison to Windows Mobile 6.5/7.
I find the lack of possibilities doing your own settings, browsing the system and using the great apps of WM6.5 and WM7 a very great disadvantage of WM8.
Therefore i´d like to ask the IT pros here if you think it would be possible in the future to get good and fast WM6.5 / WM7 on a WM8 device.
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I think the ones that have bad memories are those who tried to get Windows Phone 7 GUI on a Windows Mobile 6.5 device. I remember 6.5 being very low resource intensive (and really "snappy" with the right file/system cache settings applied) and still think there are no comparably useful apps for WP8 (i gave some examples in a post above, even "on the fly" video encoding to windows media, when recording, was possible at those times).
It is also a personal decision to like the information/position gathering and adware of current "free" apps and be forced loading all personal information to some manufacturer/clouds (where the lying outlaw warmongers are lurking, that supposedly love to call current smartphone users in their presentations "zombies", for their decision to pay for and carry such unethical, dedicated human rights abusing devices).
k33 said:
I think the ones that have bad memories are those who tried to get Windows Phone 7 GUI on a Windows Mobile 6.5 device. I remember 6.5 being very low resource intensive (and really "snappy" with the right file/system cache settings applied) and still think there are no comparably useful apps for WP8 (i gave some examples in a post above, even "on the fly" video encoding to windows media, when recording, was possible at those times).
It is also a personal decision to like the information/position gathering and adware of current "free" apps and be forced loading all personal information to some manufacturer/clouds (where the lying outlaw warmongers are lurking, that supposedly love to call current smartphone users in their presentations "zombies", for their decision to pay for and carry such unethical, dedicated human rights abusing devices).
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CE up to v5.2 had a really baad architecture. Virtual Memory subsystem was a nightmare (http://blogs.msdn.com/b/hegenderfer/archive/2007/08/31/slaying-the-virtual-memory-monster.aspx), and not only that. Mostly system was based on Win98-age code which was awful in comparison with new code. Context switching was slow as well. WM6.5 layered windows support made most of devices slow while bringing too little advantages. Should I continue?
Getting rid of Win9x legacy is a great step forward.
I swear, these questions can be answered even by Akinator.
This question has been asked a billion times.
Here is the answer to your question
Video installation instructions.
Have fun with WM on your WP8 device
I think the technical issues from bootloader to driver support on this have already been answered by the knowledgable ppl on this thread.
Thanks to those who constructively answered.
The customization issues, and the absolute "no gos", for using it as serious private and business organizer, software and forced infrastructure wise, remain.
I won´t give history lessons about fascism here but i think the quick contacts of university or sports, you add very easily, do not belong into the hands of governments that disrespect even the own ppl, love war and find unethic humilitating behaviour as very normal and accepted in our times.
The data of the microsoft cloud goes indirectly to hedgefunds like Carlyle Group, Booz Allen, Blackstone etc, that are not only involved in big business operations, mergers and aquisitions, but are directly involved in war and humanitary crimes on tax payer´s money.
I still think that there are intelligent ppl here who understand the point: That an OS, that relies on cloud syncing is nothing you can ever use for serious business applications (besides missing serious apps for that)
WP8 is very good for girls, kids and cheap people like those unconstructive and unhelpful pLUSpISTOL, AlvinPhilemon above, who would miss the X-Box function, cheap games and "big buttons" very much. :highfive:
k33 said:
I think WP8 is very good for girls, kids and cheap people like those unconstructive and unhelpful pLUSpISTOL, AlvinPhilemon above, who would miss the X-Box function and big button eyecandy very much.
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Eye candy? Where? WP8 and WP7 uses typography, simple shapes, and colors, there are almost no extra graphics added. If you're looking for eye candy, you might find more in Android or iOS.
k33 said:
I won´t give history lessons about fascism here but i think the quick contacts of university or sports, you add very easily, do not belong into the hands of governments that disrespect even the own ppl, love war and find unethic humilitating behaviour as very normal and accepted in our times.
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Great! Fascism and government speak in the WP8 Development and Hacking forum. Are you sure this thread belongs here and not in the Off-topic section?
k33 said:
The customization issues, and the absolute "no gos", for using it as serious private and business organizer, software and forced infrastructure wise, remain.
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If you don't like a product, then don't buy it. If you want more customization, go to Android, if you don't like forced infrastructure maybe you should invent your own phone. And lastly, if you believe in conspiracy theories and live in fear of privacy infringement, then find a cave, where you have no internet or phone signal.
Just internet search: NSA zombies smartphone
And yes, i am very disgusted of an OS that lets me no choice on very important issues and treats me like stupid.
It is not about living in a cave but what kind of phone you would choose for high value decisionmakers like managers for example.
Android, IPhone, WP8 are designed for zombies, there is a direct connection frome phone OS to serious developments in "the free world".
For using the facebook app between assembling burgers at MC Donalds at your day job, it is ok. Then you wouldn´t be the guy with a broader view and education anyways that likes to understand how things work.
Related
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
UPDATE:
Sources are confirming the adoption of the linux platform or symbian platform. Its most probably not going to take massive shape this year, but by next year we will see a significant change.
^^ Sources
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
ItalianTytan said:
register article is referring to smartphone platform only! maybe pda platform will remain with MS...
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"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
I think HTC is afraid of MS doing again what they have done with the media players business: they used other hardware vendors to create market perception and later they went for their own product (Zune) with a different DRM and left the "PlaysForSure" clan with cold feet.
Now that Apple has its own branded phone Microsoft will have to have a MS branded phone soon and that could mean bye bye to HTC and the other vendors, so better jump ship before it's too late.
This announcement could also be only a warning to MS; at the moment HTC is practically the only company in the world that could throw a blow at Microsoft: without HTC the MS market share in smartphones would fall to a level of insignificance and they would have to rebuild their mobile phone market share from scratch.
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
AkshayGenius said:
Btw, is there any other OS than wm6 that we can port into right now like linux or something, I really love trying stuff like this out. Is there any way to put s60 v3 or even linux onto my trinity?
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There's a Linux kernel out there somewhere - iPaQ 3900 was the last device I saw it working on eons ago...
AkshayGenius,
check Hermes forum, haret supports Trinity and semi-bootable kernel exists.
Doesn't boot completely on Hermes or Trinity so far.
hope some good UI os will come out soon!
i really dont wanna buy iphone..... unless HTC can come out better UI os...
anonimo said:
"smartphone" is generally used also for devices with touchscreen...
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Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
El_Mariachi said:
Not really, in terms of Windows Mobile devices and WM5, you had the Pocket PC and Smartphone edition, the latter of which is on devices without touch screen e.g. HTC Meteor, Canary, Tanager etc.
I don't know if you mean "generally" as in all devices that are smartphonish on the market - you've got a lot that's not touch screen there too e.g. N95.
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With "generally" I mean what you read in market researches. When you read about the Symbian market share that includes both S60 (no touchscreen) and UIQ (touchscreen) phones. Same goes for Windows Mobile.
The term "smartphone" was not invented by microsoft (did they ever invent anything? ) and it means "phone where you can install and use third party software beyond java applets" as opposed to "feature phone" where you can only use what is preinstalled in the phone (and only add Java applets).
So can anybody make an OS which I for ex can put on my p3600 for ex.
AkshayGenius said:
Yes, its true, HTC is officially abandoning the windows platform!
What next?
SOURCE:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/05/18/htc_new_strategy/
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=64741
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HTC has the best position in the market because of the Windows line. When they abandone the Windows platform, they give their market share to HP for example.
HTC also knows that Microsoft integrates everything from Office, Exchange, VOIP, Sharepoint to Live, etc.
Saying one thing and do some expirements with Linux, puts the pressure on Microsoft for nice deals (cheaper OS) for more HTC profit.
I haven't looked for other sources, but, a reading of the article hardly supports the assertion that HTC is "officially abandoning" WM. I mean, the ONLY quote just says they're "looking at" other OS's.
Talk about exaggeration.
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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Indeed so! BSD is now a reality on the iPhone - the mind boggles at how the market could look in 12 months. Mind you, I still prefer my Trinity to the iPhone but am particularly peeved that HTC haven't seen fit to officlally release WM6 for it.
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
qubit76 said:
i hope they turn to Linux, any exp coder will know that M$ is a piece of **** when it comes to resources, so look forward to faster, more stable phones. On the down side is the lack of app's supporting linux, but that said, the moment it becomes a reality, I'm there....
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If HTC would evolve a bit and embrace the 3rd party app model present on the iPhone, enhance it a bit and add support for fetching data from hardware components like gps modules, not like java, but something like Adobe® AIR™ for mobile devices with offline capabilities, that would be great foe everybody, most of the apps we use are for improving/replacing the poorly designed windows mobile apps&interface, other can be fully replaced by web apps, codewallet for example, imagine it with offline and online modes, sync between both, and you have your passwords accessible on any device or desktop, multimedia editing is also possible using flash and server-side code, like picnik.com, so, it would be necessary to create new apps, but this new model would be far better than the current one, it would also eliminate the need for manual app updating, it would... heh, make cracking impossible, so, good for the devs for that and also for the easier&cheaper development(VS not needed, html+css+flash+javascript+rails[heh ]), it would also give HTC the freedom to create a sleek GUI(compiz and stuff?) since its easier to replace the linux gui than wmobile, no licensing fees from ms i think.
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Ha Ha Haaaa... I like that
Lets all bombard the ubuntu guyz with emails demanding a mobile version of ubuntu for ppc and all then finally we'll get what we want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEA!
ericlin0122 said:
LOL
WHY dont they contract with Ubuntu? make something like ubuntu mobile ??
LOL
than Iphone is ****ed.
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Funny you should say that. Have a look at this: http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/07/iphoney. In the article it mentions just this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded.
So Ubuntu mobile coming in October. As soon as a good GPS navigation software release for Ubuntu comes out - I'm trying it.
Viva windows mobile 6.5 with all its goodies and flaws!!
Who wants an upgrade to an OS with these specs.....???
* No system-wide file manager
* No videocalling
* Limited third-party apps availability
* No Bluetooth file transfers
* No USB mass storage mode
* No memory card support
* No multitasking
* No copy/paste
* Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing
* No music player equalisers
* No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
* No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
* No DivX/XviD video support
* No internet tethering support
http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7-review-521.php
WTF??!!
Come on people we r way past the stone age!!
talking about iphone os limitations!!
no thanx, i'll stick to 6.5 and ofcourse to my tremendous HD2!!
Thanks for bringing me back to Earth, I just saw a WP7 video and actually got hyped...
No sarcasm, thanks man.
EDIT: I just noticed the problem, the average consumer doesn't care about most of those things (eg. third-party apps, multi-tasking), they just want a phone that seems "fast" and looks flashy.
Key features:
•Premium mobile OS (high minimum hardware requirements)
•Clean, uncluttered interface with distinctive design language
•Easy and thumbable user interface
•Smooth operation with cool animations and transition effects
•A fresh start with no legacy support needed
•Backed up and developed by one of the largest software companies in the world
•Excellent MS Office mobile implementation
•Top-notch social integration
•Excellent cloud services integration (SkyDrive, Windows Live, Xbox Live)
•Wireless syncing of multimedia content
Seriously how many times would you have used those features that are missing..??
also what about all the crappy things about 6.5 -- like lack of apps, crappy touch performance, sheer ugliness....
I'm sorry your arguments may hold valid against Android... but not windows phone Crapic, ie 6.5.X
When / if wp7 devices can dual boot 6.5.... I will cream my pants.....
Until then I'm not 100% on wp7
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nipuna said:
also what about all the crappy things about 6.5 -- like lack of apps, crappy touch performance, sheer ugliness
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Hi Noob, welcome and thanks for sharing a few of the finer points of all your accumulated wisdom
There are plenty of useful free applications for WM 6.5, the touch performance on the HD2 is great and most users don't see windows under the bonnet of Sense.
Meanwhile, look at the hardware specs of the latest WP7 devices
LUCKILY Microsoft are already promising updates to its unfinished FUGLY OS.
..... sometime Q1 2011 !!
It's almost like Microsoft wasn't watching Apple lurch drunkenly into the market !
Apple has the lemming market to buy into their lamer phones Microsoft doesn't.
Someone at Microsoft has pulled the trigger before taking the gun out of their collective holster, neatly shooting themselves in the foot.
not my cup of tea at all im afraid. looks like i'll defo be jumping over to android in a years time. untill then im more that happy with my totally customizable hd2.......
donwhann said:
not my cup of tea at all im afraid. looks like i'll defo be jumping over to android in a years time. untill then im more that happy with my totally customisable hd2.......
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ive been running android for about 2 weeks and its getting old very quickly.......
might just sell my upgrade and buy a spare hd2...... then spend the rest on pies lol......
conantroutman said:
ive been running android for about 2 weeks and its getting old very quickly
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Android is a very young OS and, like all babies, Android will grow quicker than you realise and will take a lot of looking after.
WP7 is only now having a difficult birth after an overly long and pointlessly complicated gestation.
compact_bijou said:
Android is a very young OS and, like all babies, Android will grow quicker than you realise and will take a lot of looking after.
WP7 is only now having a difficult birth after an overly long and pointlessly complicated gestation.
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I like that analogy....
works for me because I hate kids lol......
personally I think id rather be around for the birth of a newborn than adopt a toddler...... if you see what I mean
you are right about android though I guess.....
conantroutman said:
I like that analogy....
works for me because I hate kids lol......
personally I think id rather be around for the birth of a newborn than adopt a toddler...... if you see what I mean
you are right about android though I guess.....
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Android at 2.2 is, effectively, still in beta.
To elaborate on the baby analogy, WP7 is like taking a baby home from the hospital today, taking it back in January
to have the arms fitted, in March to have the legs fitted and then (probably) going back every first Tuesday in the
month to have it patched ffs ! - just like most other Windows software
When device hardware is 1.5 Ghz - dual core - and 32/64GB internal / 64/128 GB external is standard, then I'll call upgrade.
Everything else on the new devices is pretty much already here on the HD2.
WP7 sucks big time!!!
Another thing you all didn't mention, no synchronization with Outlook with your contacts and your agenda! Yes, it has Office Mobile, but no synchronization with Outlook on your desktop PC! WTF?! This is a MAJOR drawback, especially for the business market.
No people, this is like going back to the stone age. Sorry Microsoft, you spoiled a good thing, instead of evolving you into something better, you made a Neanderthal OS system compared to your Homo Sapien WM 6.5.
I hope for HTC that they let Microsoft foot the bill for putting so much restrictions on their hardware in order to use their OS. Like, what is a phone without expandable memory??!
I will be keeping my HD2 for the time-being and I know you guys here on XDA will keep the ROM's coming for it. And besides, I NEED my navigation! Can't do without it, and as long as no third-party apps are available for WP7, I won't be switching!
I agree with the part that Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot with this OS, it's doomed from the beginning. iPhone and Android have evolved much further and nobody is looking for a restricted copy of any of these, that's what was nice with WM, totally customizable and flexible the way WE wanted it.
One bit of advice to Microsoft: Stick to PC's and leave the Phone OS market behind.
nipuna said:
Key features:
(...)
Seriously how many times would you have used those features that are missing..??
also what about all the crappy things about 6.5 -- like lack of apps, crappy touch performance, sheer ugliness....
I'm sorry your arguments may hold valid against Android... but not windows phone Crapic, ie 6.5.X
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ok, the "main disadvantages" list has 14 entries.
10 of those (1,4,5,6,7,8,10,12,13,14) would directly affect my daily life, would i exchange my hd2 for a hd7. i think most people would agree if i said that for me, wp7 SUCKS A**. (first time ever to use bold letters)
compact_bijou said:
When device hardware is 1.5 Ghz - dual core - and 32/64GB internal / 64/128 GB external is standard, then I'll call upgrade.
Everything else on the new devices is pretty much already here on the HD2.
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They gotta fix these
* No Bluetooth file transfers<- again basic 6.X feature
* No USB mass storage mode<- yeah this is a bummer
* No memory card support <-proabably due to the unified memory space presented to the user
* No multitasking <- I think they are going to reverse this decision
* No copy/paste <-this should have been in there from the start as there is no excuse that MS can come up with as to why this most basic of windows features is missing
MS may be leaving this up to individual carriers to add
* No internet tethering support
hopefully someone will add this
* No music player equalisers
not sure I care for this slowing down my phone, but again they can fix this with an update once they streamline it (silverlight) and Adobe is gonna have to do the flash thing and we all know how slow those guys are
* No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser
MS will fix this especially now that Bing is getting popular
* No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far
We are going to have to wait until someone supplies a codec and then this problem will be resolved
* No DivX/XviD video support
Come on .. this is the same as with any OS. First version can do basically nothing. All these features without doubt will be there in two years. Except maybe not. I think WP7 will not live that long. I see totally no reason why would anyone want it, especially at this state. They don't even plan to offer anything different then iPhone or Android.
I even HOPE that WP7 will die in world in which Palm's WebOS has real troubles.
For me, I'm going for Desire HD or something like that. 4" screen Android without keyboard.
Does the fact that there's no legacy support mean that I need to buy the £1,000 worth of applications I've acquired over the years again? I think that might account for some of the positive reviews.
I can't afford to move to Phone 7.
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Does the fact that there's no legacy support mean that I need to buy the £1,000 worth of applications I've acquired over the years again? I think that might account for some of the positive reviews.
I can't afford to move to Phone 7.
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That would depend on developers. Some do provide applications for more platforms and you only need to pay once. But the, some other developers don't do that. And then again with some applications you will have to go to different developer to get the same functionality. So yeah, most of your money will be wasted, if not all.
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That would depend on developers. Some do provide applications for more platforms and you only need to pay once. But the, some other developers don't do that. And then again with some applications you will have to go to different developer to get the same functionality. So yeah, most of your money will be wasted, if not all.
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I thought as much. It's quite a bitter pill to swallow for someone who's been loyal over the years.
It's becoming a problem in other areas too. Microsoft isn't supporting some of its newer functionality in XP. I can't afford to move everything to 7 just yet (I jumped Vista.) The file format of several of my desktop applications has changed recently meaning an upgrade is needed to remain compatibility with colleagues. I don't know how Phone 7 works with Outlook yet but I can see £ signs already. Software has always had a finite life but it seems to me that this life is getting shorter. Actually, WM has lasted in its current form for far longer than most; that's been a problem for it for a while now.
What I've seen of Phone 7 so far suggests that it's an OS in the vein of iOS4. It works very well but doesn't encourage experimentation. I like WM because I've always been able to hack the OS into working how I want it too. Perhaps the average user doesn't add much in the way of 3rd-party applications; that's left to corporate users and they have the money. Big changes like this aren't very enthusiast-friendly.
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ok, the "main disadvantages" list has 14 entries.
10 of those (1,4,5,6,7,8,10,12,13,14) would directly affect my daily life, would i exchange my hd2 for a hd7. i think most people would agree if i said that for me, wp7 SUCKS A**. (first time ever to use bold letters)
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I totally agree with you, these functions I have become dependent upon and I will be sticking with 6.5 until I can no longer get a phone that supports it.
At that time, I will start carrying a couple of cans with string between them, have a very large wallet with all my pics, and a brief case with all of my documents, and a portable tv with all of my funny videos on it.
That WP7 looks no better than the Iphone with some fancy dynamic social network updates.
No Thanks!
Jeff
I have spoken...
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Does the fact that there's no legacy support mean that I need to buy the £1,000 worth of applications I've acquired over the years again?
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Not sure. Probably.
You will be able to do something with your Xbox from your phone and update what you've done to your Zune on FacePalm or something ?
A lot of people have been asking me this very difficult question: What is the future of Windows Mobile? Do you think it will die in a few years(about 2)? And other questions that are about the death of Windows Mobile. On this post I will say about my thoughts of the future of Windows Mobile.
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So I've made this article to say every thing I think about a very polemic topic: The death of Windows Mobile... For sure it won't die in 2 years, it will take a lot more...
The article is on my blog, feel free to share it every where you want, but remember to give the credits
http://developmentcloud.blogspot.com/2011/02/future-of-windows-mobile.html
Leave a comment about the topic and my article. Happy reading
PS: I've made this article at midnight, so it may contain some errors and crazy stuff
Windows Mobile without Sense for sure is pretty crappy
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Sorry to write this, but your statement is truly ridiculous, skip to very end of my post before you read rest, to understand why i said that.
As a matter of fact, death of wm started when HTC destroyed whole idea of PDA with its feeble, slow, but VERY popular devices(well..PDA's were made for work, HTC changed PDAs into just phones - popularity(money) rose, niche changed and this tendancy progresses now in absurdal way resulting with WP).
They just started to load their bloatware(manila,sense), in EXCHANGE for specs(and dpad/buttons), specifically. I know LOTS of people, that left WM platform just because of that, and even HD2 wasn't able to change that(FAR too late, too ridiculous, too buttonless, to expensive, etc, etc).
XDAdev forums took some part in whole process, imho(you NEED manila, you NEED sense - what a bull****).
HTC seem to be VERY happy after gigantic success of manila's, sense's resulting in destroying of many of old wm software developers(yes, by marketplace,my friend).
Finally, androidz and ridiculous iphone took rest.
95% of cooks i know and i respect would NEVER add manila, nor sense to their roms, as a matter of fact, actually most of them left wm platform already(well, rest bought...hd2, rich happy people mhmm.).
I will stay with my device(PDA with phone module, not HTC), as there is NO software i am using made for android, nor wp(sorry to say, old wm software is totally different league from actual promoted software, all about that).
So all i can say, have fun with your sense, twitter and facebook, but remember, there was something more few years ago, when future looked bright and good.
sorry for engrish, topic not suscribed(i have no nerves for that, you know, i am able to make skin for hs++ with functionality of whole sense, but it takes 143 kb, not 65MB, this is what made me posting my thoughts, i doubt you can understand me).
As I've said, that's my opinion and I respect your point of view
I liked your article very much. i tried lot of OS on my HD2 and the worst one was WP7. it is a ugly clone of iPhone OS. Windows mobile gives you full control of the device and you can customize it as much as you can...
I hope Microsoft will continue development on WM.
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I liked your article very much. i tried lot of OS on my HD2 and the worst one was WP7. it is a ugly clone of iPhone OS. Windows mobile gives you full control of the device and you can customize it as much as you can...
I hope Microsoft will continue development on WM.
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Nice article, and it was interesting to hear from someone who has tried out the majority of OS's out there. I got my first WinMo device back in 2005, though it still had WM2003 running on it. Since then, I have been hooked on WinMo. Like you, I also have an iPod Touch and the OS is smooth, but the customisation abilities are next to none (even if its jailbroken). Anyway, in general, I agree with most of what you say.
However, where I differ in opinion, is that I think WinMo is going to disappear sooner than you predict. WinMo hasn't had an update since 6.5 (was 6.5.x ever on a commercially available device?). And even HTC haven't offered an update on Sense since the HD2 came out. Thank goodness for XDA-Devs and Cookies Home Tab! I am sure that through this community, WinMo will live on for as long as there are working devices out there (I'm in no rush to swap my HD2 for anything else). But even now, you can see that Android and WP7 are becoming more and more popular within this community. And outside, in public, if you pull out a smartphone (regardless of model, or OS) someone will ask "Oh is that an iPhone?"
The beauty of the HD2 (I'm on my second HD2 as the first one was stolen) is that it will run many different OS's. So far, I have run several versions of Android, WP7 and Ubuntu. But I always come back to WinMo as it still offers the best for customisation and features. The iPhone for me is only a toy/fashion device that is over hyped and seriously over-advertised (which is why it sells so well- that and Apples nice design).I liked WP7, which I ran for nearly a week. Currently in it's first version it is a bit lacking but it is FAST! And when I do eventually get to the point of having to give up my HD2, I am hoping that Nokia will have a seriously good WP7 device on offer.
I am sure that XDA-Devs will continue to breath life into WinMo and drive it on to places Microsoft never thought to take it. But sad to say, I think WinMo has been abandoned by MS, forever. When did you last see a new device come out with WinMo on board? Even HTC seems to have totally hopped ship to Android and WP7. And it's getting harder to find new apps for WinMo (where as, iOS and Android have zillions of apps to offer - most of them are junk, but there are some gems among them).
Sorry to ramble on, but that was/is my opinion. Bleak, but with very fond memories of what is still in my mind, the best OS.
Copied from a post I made in here but worth an inclusion here.
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When you visit the Expansys website here in the UK and filter available phones using Windows Mobile, it only lists six models, the same applies to Phone 7.
If you select available phones by Android, you get nearly fifty, although some of these are duplicated as different bundles, +SD card, cradle etc. The writing is clearly on the wall.
Interestingly, one of the Windows Mobile phones is an Airo Wireless. At over £500, it is a rather expensive item, but it is a waterproof, rubber armoured device that would probably survive being fired out of a cannon.
Post #38 by Tpimp420 in the thread link above, mentions Microsoft have rebranded WinMo as Microsoft Embedded Handheld, in the much larger Windows Embedded arena, and are targeting these types of devices for use in enterprise business applications/solutions.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembe.../overview.mspx
Microsoft has wised up to the fact that there are countless thousands of these things already in use, in warehouses and factories as barcode readers and pick-list terminals, in airlines (as Point-of-Sale (POS) terminals), data capture devices as meter readers, or in the field as customer survey recording devices, etc... etc..... The list goes on and on. These devices may occupy a niche market, but it's still quite a big one, which needs and will continue to need supporting. In the field these devices get a lot of use/abuse, and when they need replacing, with what do you replace them? An I-Phone or Android device? They wouldn't last a week!
WinMo as we know it, might not evolve much further, but Windows CE, and Embedded versions of XP and Windows 7 live on, for new generations of tablet devices. Microsoft has announced that it wants a lot more Windows stuff to run on ARM devices.
Meanwhile, there are still millions of WinMo devices out there, and sites like this, that try to keep them running.
I am very much sorry for my last review, Actually I typed only about Windows Mobile 6.5 on it as I did research on only HTC HD2 with winmo 6.5 but my stupid friends researched on winmo 7 and Android and they typed all bull****. My exams were going on so I didn't logged in, and today, I found 90% people saying my previous review was rubbish and 10% saying good.
Please Find original Review Below:-
Tested Phones:-
Windows Mobile 6.5- HTC HD2
Windows Mobile 7- HTC HD7
Android- HTC Desire HD
All mobile phones are used are of HTC
Many People come up with this question that which OS is better? Android or WinMO? 7 or 6.5? So Now i've answers for all your questions.
Please see the reviews of the following OS(s) below:-
Android:-
A very Good and Exciting OS. It is the most Popular OS today. Many big companies like HTC, Samsung, Sony Ericson, LG etc. are coming with this OS today. Some small companies like IDEOS, Micromax etc. are also coming with Android OS.
Android was made popular by Google and supports the most number of apps at current time. Google Voice makes it better to search things and to enable voice command features. Android, Today is famous for both- Its business Usage, and its social usage.
Today HTC has made HTC SENSE UI to enable Android users with HTC Sense. But the Sense UI user interface is still not good enough against winmo user interface. The only problem of Android is less user interfaces. But we don't have to worry because XDA Developers have made possible for us to get the HTC Sense Winmo 6.5 user interface.
When HTC Desire HD was tested, We found that it was hanging a little. This problem is also in HTC HD2 with winmo 6.5, but in HD2 its very less, and if we use a storage Card with more storage, it gets resolved.
Themegastar1 Rating- 9.5/10.
Windows Mobile 6.5
It is a very good OS, It was developed by Microsoft after making winmo 6.1 which was featured in HTC Touch Pro.
It is a good OS for all ages like Android is good for all ages. It has a high technology. But the only thing that is wrong is, all phones with Winmo 6.5 in it are costly as Microsoft is selling this technology to companies at a high price.
The main Dis-advantage of this phone is that it has less apps available. If you don't have a High Memory Storage Card(At least 2 GB memory Card Required), your phone may hang while opening the Windows files or any other file, that can be resolved by locking the phone for a few seconds, and then click on arrow and click on My Device/Storage Card. Its Windows Marketplace also doesn't have a lot of apps and we have to download Omarket from Freeware Pocket Pc to get more apps.
Themegastar1 Rating- 9.5/10
Windows Mobile 7
It is a good OS, which was made by Microsoft, but the main disadvantage in it is that it doesn't have any good User Interface and cannot be Personalized a lot like Winmo 6.5 and Android. It also doesn't have Bluetooth(HTC Mozart), because of which it lacks in technology. It also doesn't have an SD Card Slot which makes it a stupid Choice.
This version of Windows Mobile has Zune and XBOX Live in It which makes this OS a good option for gaming. It also uses Hang-Free Technology and has good speed than that of Android and Winmo 6.5.
If people are thinking to buy mobiles with this OS, they should wait for a while as Microsoft is launching their phones with all of the above features that are missing in this phone. The only thing that it will not have is a good User Interface and less customizable options.
Themegastar1 Rating- 9.5/10.
So, you chose which is better for you. I think these will help you to decide which is better OS.
I have not included Apple iOS(Iphone Os), Palm OS and other OS(s) in it because they come in less phones(Ie. iOS comes only in iPhone).
OMG !!
He's back !!!
Do you want honest feedback or do you want people to just say nice things?
Because honestly, it sounds like you had a child write those summaries.
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Do you want honest feedback or do you want people to just say nice things?
Because honestly, it sounds like you had a child write those summaries.
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I am a teen only. I am 14 Yrs old.... SO what you want to say. Previous post was written by my stupid friends, to downgrade my reputation.
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I am a teen only. I am 14 Yrs old.... SO what you want to say. Previous post was written by my stupid friends, to downgrade my reputation.
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lmaao.......
Ok, if you want honest feedback, you could take what you have written already and update it to more current matters.
Your review of the android section doesn't really 'flow' smoothly. No one is really 'coming' with the OS, they're making devices that 'Use' different versions. You should really say that and maybe even talk about the differences in the versions.
Don't bother talking about IDEOS or Micromax.
Your review of WinMo 6.5 is strangely phrased and your review of Win7 just inaccurate.
I would say scrap all 3 reviews and start fresh. And not say 'Super OS' as the title.
Not trying to be mean, but I'm sure you can write better than this.
I will not say much as other post have already given you some good advice. What I do want to say and try to educate you on is, please do not get confused. Windows Mobile and Windows Phone 7 are not the the same OS. Windows Mobile 6.5 is the last in the line of Windows Mobile releases. Windows Phone 7 is Microsofts completely new OS that they released to try to better compete with Andriod as Windows Mobile is more a busness man's oriented and tech head oriented OS. There is 100% no reverse compatibility with anything Windows Mobile be it apps or whatever from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone 7 as they are both written with different code and have different structure. So you see the only thing they have in common is the are both Microsoft products but that is it. So when you talk about them do not call Wndows Phone 7 Windows Mobile 7 as it is not.
my thoughts as the chaps above have given you fantastic advice:
- scrap all 3 reviews and start fresh. i assume that you have played around extensively with all 3 extensively (wm6.5, wp7 and android)? my suggestion is for you to google the reviews for each and compare your own experiences
- the reviews you gave for all 3 are jumping all over the place in terms of topics covered.
- each was given a 9.5 rating out of a possible 10 yet the reviews show negativity in certain features?
- the reviews don't go deep enough and are barely scratching the surface
no offense mate but if your friends did say the reviews were bs they could be reflecting what others think as well.
with that, don't go about and revise your reviews asap. take your time. read more on the experiences of other people and compare what you have seen when playing around with the devices. once you get a better picture, go for it.
simple advice....dont write a review man...we guys are smart enuff...to know wats right...and theres pocketnoww...gizmodo...engadget....phonescoop....gsmarena...etc..!!
YOU DONT STAND A CHANCE !!!
You guys are brutal... the OP is only 14
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You guys are brutal... the OP is only 14
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I don't think anyone was brutal or said anything just to spite him.
He should take the criticism and use it to write better reviews (or not write them).
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themegastar1 said:
Please see the reviews of the following OS(s) below:-
Android:-
A very Good and Exciting OS. It is the most Popular OS today. Many big companies like HTC, Samsung, Sony Ericson, LG etc. are coming with this OS today. Some small companies like IDEOS, Micromax etc. are also coming with Android OS.
Android was made popular by Google and supports the most number of apps at current time. Google Voice makes it better to search things and to enable voice command features. Android, Today is famous for both- Its business Usage, and its social usage.
Today HTC has made HTC SENSE UI to enable Android users with HTC Sense. But the Sense UI user interface is still not good enough against winmo user interface. The only problem of Android is less user interfaces. But we don't have to worry because XDA Developers have made possible for us to get the HTC Sense Winmo 6.5 user interface.
When HTC Desire HD was tested, We found that it was hanging a little. This problem is also in HTC HD2 with winmo 6.5, but in HD2 its very less, and if we use a storage Card with more storage, it gets resolved.
Themegastar1 Rating- 9.5/10.
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I dont find any "review" in this review article.Just some general info obtained from net like "very good","exciting", "popular" etc etc...
And i dont want to comment on this: "But the Sense UI user interface is still not good enough against winmo user interface. The only problem of Android is less user interfaces."
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I am a teen only. I am 14 Yrs old.... SO what you want to say. Previous post was written by my stupid friends, to downgrade my reputation.
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14 years old....interesting that in this thread (very first post):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908726
he says "I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows)"...
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Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO
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i'd take backlashsid's advice in post # 12 above....
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14 years old....interesting that in this thread (very first post):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=908726
he says "I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows)"...
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Hello Friends,
I have a question for all of the mobile developers. You might think I'm Joking. But its Serious. Is there any way to run android apps(2.1-2.3) in HTC HD2(Leo) which is running Windows Mobile? Many People Say 'NO'. But emulation of any OS is possible. We all thought that we can run PS2 games only on Sony Playstation 2 but we were proved wrong by PCSX2 by launching first PS2 Emulator. So I want to know is there any emulator by which I can run android apps on my HTC HD2? Its difficult but I think XDA Developers can make this type of emulators. It will also help thousands of people. I am an IT Professional and a software developer(Windows) but i don't know about developing apps for mobile. Otherwise would have made/wrote android apps in WM language/scripts. Some News also came that there are certain Converters which can convert Android Apps into J2ME or WM apps. I need a solution to this problem.
Regards,
Arun
Themegastar1 CEO
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i'd take backlashsid's advice in post # 12 above....
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Can A teen not be IT Professionalist, or a Software Developer. I have created a browser, toolbar and other things so far. I know C++, What do you think, Kids can't do anything?
As I said in that forum/thread, I will create android emulator. And I am creating it now. Currently I study in G.S.Convent, and my exams have ended on 9th March 2011, and my new session begins on 1st April 2011, So What. I have just got to 9th Class. You should take out this from your mind that kids can't do anything. Search for Arun Wadhwa or Themegastar1 or Arun Themegastar1 and you will get all information about me. Please don't hurt any child's feeling. If you don't like the review, don't see my other reviews or don't comment, why are you not doing anything(writing review) and complaining.
My wife just said, "Ah, bless him".
[QUOTE If you don't like the review, don't see my other reviews or don't comment, why are you not doing anything(writing review) and complaining.[/QUOTE]
mate
- i did comment in page 1 of this thread and gave my own point thoughts
- i don't do reviews because i'm more than happy with my current hd2 android set up. i'd rather read the more helpful reviews of other members to get their tips and advise. not threads which are, as others have said, bs
- i don't go around starting threads stating which is the best os and i have answers to all the questions
- didn't say kids can't do anything. you made that assumption. for a "software developer" your reviews barely contained any technical details related to the field
- you're comparing credentials now? i'm the vp of quality in a firm engaged in developing programs, interfaces, software, scripts, xmls, etc, etc and more etc. i work for the government and they pay me what they pay me because they know i have the skills that enables me to successfully do my thing.
- i could probably develop a rom or an emulator or whatever related to android or wm or wp. the reason i don't is because there are gurus in this forum who do a better job than me. there are dudes in this forum who give better reviews and i listen to them.
this is a total waste of time. outta here dude. have fun.
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Here's my review
Windows Phone 7:
It is a new OS. Microsoft come up with this OS. This OS has blue tiles in the main screen, but you can change other colors too. It is a new OS so not many apps for the OS. Microsoft made this OS after 6.5. Some people call it Windows Mobile 7 which is wrong. WP7 is short for Windows Phone 7.
The OS still needs development which will take time for Microsoft. Big companies like LG is having WP7 on there phones. Small companies do not know what WP7 is. WP7 has many apps but all are not good. Only some apps are good.
backlashsid's rating: 9.1/10
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Android:
Android is made by Google. Its also an exciting OS.Because Google is big people think Android is big. Android has many apps and is very popular among school kids because they use Google voice and messenger to chat in class while the professor is teaching. Big companies do not like Android because people are chatting while the CEO meeting is going on. Android has many apps which are good. One app is Google Search which allows you to search on Google everything you want including better Android review than mine. Android has bad user interface but HTC made a new User Interfaece called HTC Sense. Sense because people have common sense so HTC thought everyone will like Sense. But companies like Motorola have their own version of screen. Android sometimes hangs a little.
backlashsid's rating: 9.375/10
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Windows Mobile 6.5
Very good OS.
Windows Mobile 6.5 is Microsofts OS which came many years ago. This is a very popular OS because many people use it. Even the God of cellphones the HD2 uses it.Windows Mobile 6.5 has bad user interface and bad apps. Marketplace doenst have nice apps and this makes the OS really bad. However with WM6.5 you can use apps like SPB Mobile shell to change the look and make it better. You can also use Coreplayer to watch movies. Windows Mobile 6.5 phones have bad hardware and less storage and RAM. People nowadays like more RAM and memory so WM6.5 is no good.
backlashsid's rating: 9.61/10
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I have not chose Ios because IOS is not an OS. It is IOS..
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Windows Phone 7:
It is a new OS. Microsoft come up with this OS. This OS has blue tiles in the main screen, but you can change other colors too. It is a new OS so not many apps for the OS. Microsoft made this OS after 6.5. Some people call it Windows Mobile 7 which is wrong. WP7 is short for Windows Phone 7.
The OS still needs development which will take time for Microsoft. Big companies like LG is having WP7 on there phones. Small companies do not know what WP7 is. WP7 has many apps but all are not good. Only some apps are good.
backlashsid's rating: 9.1/10
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Android:
Android is made by Google. Its also an exciting OS.Because Google is big people think Android is big. Android has many apps and is very popular among school kids because they use Google voice and messenger to chat in class while the professor is teaching. Big companies do not like Android because people are chatting while the CEO meeting is going on. Android has many apps which are good. One app is Google Search which allows you to search on Google everything you want including better Android review than mine. Android has bad user interface but HTC made a new User Interfaece called HTC Sense. Sense because people have common sense so HTC thought everyone will like Sense. But companies like Motorola have their own version of screen. Android sometimes hangs a little.
backlashsid's rating: 9.375/10
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Windows Mobile 6.5
Very good OS.
Windows Mobile 6.5 is Microsofts OS which came many years ago. This is a very popular OS because many people use it. Even the God of cellphones the HD2 uses it.Windows Mobile 6.5 has bad user interface and bad apps. Marketplace doenst have nice apps and this makes the OS really bad. However with WM6.5 you can use apps like SPB Mobile shell to change the look and make it better. You can also use Coreplayer to watch movies. Windows Mobile 6.5 phones have bad hardware and less storage and RAM. People nowadays like more RAM and memory so WM6.5 is no good.
backlashsid's rating: 9.61/10
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lmfaaaaaaao........................dudeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Just a friendly discussion, so my question is why do yous till use WM if you do, with Android, WP7 and IOS out their, why stick with WM?
cause i enjoy every minute i use my HD2 with WM-CHT2.0
for my WP7 is an incognita, can anybody please provide a link for WP7 secreenshots?
Android is fine, my kids love playing angrybirds all time! but WM is for me, its adult games ...
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[SNIP]WM is for me, its adult...[/SNIP]
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Android is for kids/teenagers
Reason 1 WM integrates flawlessly with my windows PC ,office ect..
Reason 2 WM has TOMTOM Satnav and it works flawlessly with my WM device just load the software and your ready to go .
The reasons could go on and on but i gave you my most important two
Unlike my daughter just purchased a iPhone 3gs loaded on TomTom and found out to my disgust that you need the car GPS Dock to make it work as integrated GPS don't work with the app (Don't get me started on iphone sh*t)
OS!!
still using WM 6.5/6.5x.
Android is for kids and WP7 is immature..
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WP7 is immature..
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couldnt of said it better myself.lol
+1
How is android fo kids??? And I can see how wp7 isnt fully matured yet.
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WM rulez!
HD2 with NRGZ WM ROM and CHT 2.0 is the best !!!
WM7 is crap, IOS is a toy, android is garbage....
my 2 cents
solidkevin said:
How is android fo kids???
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look at it lol
So you are going by looks only and not functionality?
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i dont just judge an OS on looks, i judge it on many of things, 1 of which being functionality..
i wasnt really impressed with android, simple as
raving_nanza said:
i dont just judge an OS on looks, i judge it on many of things, 1 of which being functionality..
i wasnt really impressed with android, simple as
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Oh ok cause you said look at it, I thought you meant looks, imo android does anything and everything but it has its flaws, iphone is nice and simple but a little too restrictive. And wp7 is hands down the best UI around imo, simple, clean and elegant, missing funtionality and support though at this stage. As for WM I think its a fine OS but too slow for my tastes and it seems like it never matured into full touch UI. Symbian is real functional but so damn slow and ugly UI.
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In my experiences. I love WM then another other OS and will keep in first place of my favorite list ever.
WM functions are very similar to Windows OS. You can do what ever you want, as a developer or as a user. If you are from Windows PC, then you won't be liking android, iOS or even WP7.
Android has good graphics and speed but it feels like a beta software. Cannot trust it.
WP7 is very simple and basic but Still lacks lots of things. I didn't expected MS will do such a bad thing. Better if they stood in WM interface itself.
iOS, I have no comments about it as I haven't used much.
To say in one line, android, WP7, iOS and etc (except WM of course) developers are trying to keep users in there custody!
This never happened in WM, users of it were very free to use, as if they made there own OS.
WM has something that you cannot express but feels in heart when using. Android is my second option though.
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solidkevin said:
As for WM I think its a fine OS but too slow for my tastes and it seems like it never matured into full touch UI. Symbian is real functional but so damn slow and ugly UI.
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Because its a Win CE core which operates from 1x1 pixel tap (i.e stylus). Its same as a cursor present in PC. Later on, MS and HTC tried to make it better Touch Sensitive. Though it wasn't very successful because the core and kernel didn't match the latest hardware. If you know about VM in WM, you probably also knowing it doesn't have much space. Even though the physical memory (RAM) has enough space, multiple apps load slow and its because VM is lacking space. Thats the major fall in WM.
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B-E-A-utifull
'cause i dont have money to buy an iphone
you can setup what if you want on your Wm.but i have never used Anroid operation system.
in my opinion best reason is wm useful for you(office,gps,internet..)
I learnt the Win32 programming model so that I could use the original Embedded Tools 3.0 to create native C++ ARM Windows Mobile 2002 programs.
It was a long hard slog, involving studying the shell "Hello World" program as created by the project wizard, and then trying to figure out what the hell was going on. Embedded C++ 4.0 came along later for WM2003. The accumulated skills could then be used later in Visual Studio, for creating Win32 PC programs, and being able to port applications from one platform to the other, in either direction!
Microsoft have made a total mess of the transfer to Phone 7, with the complete change of programming model, being one of the most crass moves they have ever pulled. Phone 7 was too little, far too late which allowed the opposition to run away with the advantage. Microsoft will never get that back.
Windows CE and Windows Mobile are still good solid operating systems, tried and tested, even if they are a little long in the tooth. Win32 programming may be considered very old hat these days, but the programs run like a bat out of hell.
Android is also pretty stable, being based on a Linux core, and it's improving, but to learn Android development means starting from scratch, almost from the "Hello World" example above. Do I really want to start all over again? Maybe, mañana........ Fortunately, there is not much difference between C# and Java code, so the transition may not be that painful.
Update: Currently studying some of the stuff in the Android SDK........ At the "What the hell does this do?" stage again.
Windows Mobile lives on as Windows Embedded Handheld, but this is now primarily for line of business devices.
Have look at the current WinMo devices sold by Expansys here in the UK
Update: WinMo 6.x has been dropped as a separate category, you have to specifically search for Windows Mobile. There is the HD2/HD2 Mini and some rather expensive near indestructible rubber armoured devices.
How long before HTC drops the HD2?
I like WM because of it's flexibility, the fact that it's an open platform with lots of freeware and it's ability to function without a Google, Itunes or whatever account. You buy it, charge the battery, put in a sim card and there you go. No activation no nothing. That's simply the way it should be. Oh and by the way: Call me crazy but I actually like the UI of WM. It always offers multiple ways to do something. And lots of possibilities to customize your device of course.
i recently traded in my touch pro2 for the sensation...i didn't give up on wm, but microsoft did...i loved that platform...so versatile yet so misunderstood...
this android platform ain't too shabby tho...it's not wm but not too shabby indeed...
my signature pic says it all.....