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HTC are reviewing the locked bootloader policy

Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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My personal opinion is, I don't think they will go through with it. HTC has always been the number one developers phone for the longest time and they'll probably realize that before releasing a phone with a locked bootloader. I'm just saying if they did, I have NO idea what I would do. I can't stand any other manufacturers way of creating phones so I guess I'd be chillin with my Inspire till someone cracked one of the nicer/newer HTC phones. what would you do? I can't EVER see myself using a stock phone just to stay up to date on phone releases.

This is bad....
Evo 3D to have locked-down bootloader
I hope this is old news

motoman234 said:
My personal opinion is, I don't think they will go through with it. HTC has always been the number one developers phone for the longest time and they'll probably realize that before releasing a phone with a locked bootloader. I'm just saying if they did, I have NO idea what I would do. I can't stand any other manufacturers way of creating phones so I guess I'd be chillin with my Inspire till someone cracked one of the nicer/newer HTC phones. what would you do? I can't EVER see myself using a stock phone just to stay up to date on phone releases.
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honestly the galaxy s2(or variants of it) woould be my next choices, samsung is starting to pump out some nice phones. i still love htc more though. a locked bootloader= no deal for me

Nice one - Sony Ericsson made that announcement not long ago about opening the boot loader which made them very popular in the se world and now htc are doing it.
Its obviously just to be popular with consumers. Good news for htc

I just have a hint they will lift the locking of those boot loaders though I might still be sticking to the good old Sense UI whether it's locked or unlocked.

Nick281051 said:
honestly the galaxy s2(or variants of it) woould be my next choices, samsung is starting to pump out some nice phones. i still love htc more though. a locked bootloader= no deal for me
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The phones themselves aren't bad, its the being stuck to AOSP or TouchWiz that's a deal breaker for me. I had a Vibrant and got rid of it within a week of buying it due to being bored. That's just my opinion though, once your use to Sense, you can never go back. Especially since official Sense 3.0 is around the corner. If the Sensation isn't locked down then it'll be mine .

I had a milestone before... So I know well the bootloader lock policy...
At least HTC listen to their customers...
I think they will change the bootloader lock policy cause they are smart guys and they know that there are many many people who buy HTC cause they like the freedom of unlocked bootloader...
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Good. I had almost lost my hope of ever buying an Htc phone again.
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I wonder if it's a publicity stunt.
Hoping that the net effect of (announcing the locking of bootloader) + (announcing the unlocking of bootloader) = more fanbois (or fangurls).

Well, they already released some devices with locked bootloaders as the Thunderbolt or the Incredible S. Cracking the Thunderbolt was pure luck, Incredible is not yet cracked.
So, if they decide to KEEP the locked loader, i'm done with htc... Sad but true
I really like their phones but without the community they are nothing...

I can't see why HTC would go in the opposite direction to SE. Will not buy another HTC if this happens. I'll get a SE instead.
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It'll be their own peril for going against the community.
Everyone knows a geek or two these days... And guess who people turn to when they want to buy a phone?

LeeDroid said:
Just thought I would dive in and drop a link for anyone that is yet to comment..
And yes, it does belong in the dev section
http://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
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I'm sorry, did you "develop" their decision to think on their bootloader policy?
I believe this doesn't belong in development, as it isn't a development thread. However, I believe it is an IMPORTANT piece of info, it still doens't belong here.
Moved to General.

Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.

PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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Most users don't root and install custom roms, remove system apps, etc even though they often have handsets with which they can. For this reason I fail to understand what point you are trying to make. Most people just use their phone out of the box for 2-3 years or more.
Enthusiasts on the other hand will often upgrade annually as finance permits because of our love and passion for new technology. We are often the early adopters and we are the ones who end up paying the higher initial price on new products. This translates to frequent repeat sales at higher margin for the manufacturer.
Even though we are a small subset of the community, the value of our business is disproportionately high. We are the ones who care about unlocked bootloaders, not joe average who upgrades every 3 years to a model which is already several months old. If Htc doesn't want our business it is their choice, we will vote with our wallets and buy SE, Samsung or something else we can hack.
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PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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I would not even use such provider specific software. So they can't loose money when i install a custom ROM.

PartTimeLegend said:
Handsets are subsidized. They have applications like amazon mp3 and sound hound for a reason.
Your carrier will edit the build with their own features and limitations.
The locked bootloader preserves these changes. An unlocked bootloader does not.
The sway of the modding community is minimal compared to the networks and people who pay for their software to be bundled.
if we see the end of locked bootloaders, then we will likely see an increase in purchase costs.
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First of all I should say that I see your point in the reasons of locking the bootloader. But the people who want unlocked bootloaders will most likely go with another manufacturer and the software companies that subsidize the phones will make no provit from those people no matter what. Carriers subsidize also the open bootloader phones, so it seems that this issue doesn't matter to them too much. The truth is that compared to all the people who buy phones, those who actually use the unlocked bootloader are very small percentage. Like with the iPhone and jailbreaking. So the decision of whether to lock the bootloader or not is purely a "political" one.
I think that the best solution is to ship the phones with locked bootloaders and to provide an unlocking tool which will void irreversibly the warranty and support, which HTC have every right to do as once unlocked you can install potentially damaging kernels e.g. overclocking to unreasonable frequencies and they can decline supporting software that's not their own.

Have you guys seen how much agro HTC get on their Facebook page its hilarious.
Of course its a publicity stunt, they don't want to have a bad name with consumers. Sony Ericsson made the same annoucement last month which gave them a good name.
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a petition has already gone up
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/

AT&T S4 thread is slow, anyone else agree?

I have noticed that lately that the international S4 has had wayyyyy more attention with their phone going far. Yes I understand that it is due to us having the locked bootloader that it is hard enough for people to get things done, but since we have loki shouldn't that be enough to at least dual boot? Now there are two different forms of dual booting with the international S4 and they have no want to be helping with our S4.
The first that came out was the MoDaCo.SWITCH as seen here. http://www.modaco.com/topic/364246-beta-2-modacoswitch-s4-i9505-support-topic/ Allowing you to boot the Stock TW and Google Play edition roms. With no help or support to allow other roms for it other than what is posted and provided.
Next is GraSwitcher Which can be found here.http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2417600 Allowing you to pick both the TW and AOSP rom of your choice to boot. But here we have again no motivation to push it towards another brand besides the International i9500.
Why can't one of our Devs from the AT&T s4 do something special like this as well? Or build off of this idea to run the dual booting on our devices. It is the best solution to getting the TW camera when we are on AOSP. Is there any Dev out there that would wanna do this for our s4? I am just getting bored of this phone because there isn't any advancement on anything fun with this phone. Dual booting would allow so much more to be done with our phone and would make it all the more special. Since we have kernel access through Loki I don't see what the hold up is for our phone :/ Anyone else wanna give some input into this or give some +1 to get these features on our S4?

I think the problem is yes we have Loki but our bootloader is still locked which is the problem. Plus any OTA update breaks root and has hardened the bootloader. I believe the developers are working strong but the bootloader is making it hard.
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To the OP, and all users who are tempted to reply - Plenty of development is always being researched and experimented with.
I suggest all users who want stuff should educate themselves and try to learn development, that is part of the fun, part of the journey.
I suggest all responses in here be respectful and appreciative of all the work that all developers and contributors bring to XDA.
No trolling and/or self-righteous stuff.

Naddict said:
To the OP, and all users who are tempted to reply - Plenty of development is always being researched and experimented with.
I suggest all users who want stuff should educate themselves and try to learn development, that is part of the fun, part of the journey.
I suggest all responses in here be respectful and appreciative of all the work that all developers and contributors bring to XDA.
No trolling and/or self-righteous stuff.
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beautiful introduction to programming by our dearest, @AdamOutler found here.
android ≠ the freedom just to add what you want onto your device. it equals the ability to learn how to create for everyone.

Naddict said:
To the OP, and all users who are tempted to reply - Plenty of development is always being researched and experimented with.
I suggest all users who want stuff should educate themselves and try to learn development, that is part of the fun, part of the journey.
I suggest all responses in here be respectful and appreciative of all the work that all developers and contributors bring to XDA.
No trolling and/or self-righteous stuff.
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I promise in all sincerity that this isn't about trolling or anything. Nor was it an attack on the devs here. I have started with development but I know its not easy. I am just curious why all the fun stuff is going on on other s4 threads and not ours
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Perhaps market share, or lack thereof. I don't know, but until there is a breakthrough, it would seem there will be a diminishing number of ATT users who can actually flash something.
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There are plenty of Roms to choose from, you can run just about every other S4 variants rom, with our kernel.
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Unless your on MF3
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It's slow because we are waiting. Waiting tends to take time.
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This kind of reminds me of my S2 Skyrocket days. Same S2 label but, not the same phone. At&t variant, different hardware, radio, size...etc. Somethings can be as simple as porting and others are not. But, I have found that if it is possible (like our several locked bootloader issues)...The Devs are on it.

davietr said:
This kind of reminds me of my S2 Skyrocket days. Same S2 label but, not the same phone. At&t variant, different hardware, radio, size...etc. Somethings can be as simple as porting and others are not. But, I have found that if it is possible (like our several locked bootloader issues)...The Devs are on it.
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Ha! Remember it well. I spent two years on the Skyrocket. At first, we were wishing we could get what the i777 had. After the first year, we hit a stride and they were scrambling to port our stuff to thiers. Just goes to show, a little time can change the whole picture. We'll get there.
Besides, I just got my i337 today, and learned it was compatible as a remote for my air conditioner! I have not even rooted yet, and I still feel like a pig in slop.
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I may be wrong, but I have not seen anywhere where we can grab back some of that space.

rebel1699 said:
Ha! Remember it well. I spent two years on the Skyrocket. At first, we were wishing we could get what the i777 had. After the first year, we hit a stride and they were scrambling to port our stuff to thiers. Just goes to show, a little time can change the whole picture. We'll get there.
Besides, I just got my i337 today, and learned it was compatible as a remote for my air conditioner! I have not even rooted yet, and I still feel like a pig in slop.
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Yeah, I think just knowing a device is stock, people are automatically turned off to it. A majority of why people have switched from iOS to Android is they wanted the freedom of customization. Now that most people are on MF3, and there's LESS customization, people are 'hurt'. The Galaxy S 4, completely stock, even with TouchWiz, is still an amazing device. It still fully functions and is still very customizable. But once you use something long enough, and you know if well enough, it's not as enticing anymore. That's why there is less talk about the AT&T or Verizon S4. "Been there, done that". Flashing ROMs gives consistent change and customization.
I'm sure many developers are working hard on working around this and it's all greatly appreciated to the highest extent. But currently, this is the plateau of excitement for 'our' S4 until the devs make a break through.

You can bet that a few devs are all over this dual boot option, wait around, it will be available to us.

Forget dual boot. With a SS, we will have multi-boot. As many ROMs as we have space.
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FourPointedFreak said:
Yeah, I think just knowing a device is stock, people are automatically turned off to it. A majority of why people have switched from iOS to Android is they wanted the freedom of customization. Now that most people are on MF3, and there's LESS customization, people are 'hurt'. The Galaxy S 4, completely stock, even with TouchWiz, is still an amazing device. It still fully functions and is still very customizable. But once you use something long enough, and you know if well enough, it's not as enticing anymore. That's why there is less talk about the AT&T or Verizon S4. "Been there, done that". Flashing ROMs gives consistent change and customization.
I'm sure many developers are working hard on working around this and it's all greatly appreciated to the highest extent. But currently, this is the plateau of excitement for 'our' S4 until the devs make a break through.
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With the new "No contract and new phone every year" plans that are out, this is the result. With those plans, people will have to trade their old phones in for the new phones. Like you said, people get bored and want something new. I can understand why At&t would want the returned phones untouched. Maybe if they could just lock the trade-in no contract phones and leave the contract and full purchased phones uInlocked. But, 99% of consumers will never root or customize their phones. Which makes me wonder why At&t would care about the 1% that do.

davietr said:
With the new "No contract and new phone every year" plans that are out, this is the result. With those plans, people will have to trade their old phones in for the new phones. Like you said, people get bored and want something new. I can understand why At&t would want the returned phones untouched. Maybe if they could just lock the trade-in no contract phones and leave the contract and full purchased phones uInlocked. But, 99% of consumers will never root or customize their phones. Which makes me wonder why At&t would care about the 1% that do.
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Because they can. With T-Mobile doing the "Jump" program to allow customers to upgrade their device every 6 months, AT&T has to compete. T-Mobile customers don't need to root because they can just change devices. AT&T locks their device's bootloaders, forcing customers to want a new device, they think they'll make money on early upgrades/new contracts/cancellations to reopen for new devices.
There isn't much they can do.

It always pays to be patient.. we will see an unlocked bootloader one day.. unless you accidently update that is. someone will always step up to the plate and deal with things... unless when it comes to hacking firmware on kenwood decks :>( *offtopic*
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[BOUNTY] P605V Verizon 10.1 2014--Unlocked Bootloader

I am going to begin a bounty to all of our devs of $100 to whomever can get a working unlocked bootloader for the Verizon 4GLTE P605V Samsung Galaxy 10.1 2014 edition. It's complete nonsense that going as far back as far as April (the first post I found searching for this) that there isn't a solution.... If you own this tablet variant as well, please jump on board.

Most devs for the 10.1 2014 have moved to the pro version. So this may be really hard to get. if you look at the unlocked versions there is little to no support for them right now as well.
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All the Verizon/Samsung locked bootloaders have been unlockable to date as well as the AT&T varieties. Check the S4, Note 3 and S5 threads.

KennyG123 said:
All the Verizon/Samsung locked bootloaders have been unlockable to date as well as the AT&T varieties. Check the S4, Note 3 and S5 threads.
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I don't really care about the S4, my Note 3 is already unlocked, and could care less about the S5 as well. What I AM concerned with is getting my 10.1 2014 Verizon edition unlocked so I can actually get TWRP on it an put on custom ROM's. For a forum filled with lots of experts and geniuses, no one seems to want to take any time or make any effort. I am literally begging! Using any version of Odin has failed trying to get TWRP on my tablet. All the ROMs I have looked at say to install that as a prerequisite. So what is a guy to do? Should I just put a round from my .45 through it and call it a day? I am outside the 14 day return window now with Verizon, so unless someone can give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong, then I am royally screwed..........

Don_Pachuco said:
I don't really care about the S4, my Note 3 is already unlocked, and could care less about the S5 as well. What I AM concerned with is getting my 10.1 2014 Verizon edition unlocked so I can actually get TWRP on it an put on custom ROM's. For a forum filled with lots of experts and geniuses, no one seems to want to take any time or make any effort. I am literally begging! Using any version of Odin has failed trying to get TWRP on my tablet. All the ROMs I have looked at say to install that as a prerequisite. So what is a guy to do? Should I just put a round from my .45 through it and call it a day? I am outside the 14 day return window now with Verizon, so unless someone can give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong, then I am royally screwed..........
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You are missing the point. Bootloaders are not a simple security hack. They are the proprietary coding that allows the device to boot. There is NO decompiling, sorting through code, figuring out the lock and then unlocking it. There needs to be an exploit to get in and change it. Which means there is a 99% chance the wrong exploit attempt will brick the device...an not the "brick" all these people talk about mistakenly on this site...a REAL brick...dead paperweight. Think that it is an issue with this sites "geniuses" not wanting to do it? Maybe you would understand better if you blindfolded yourself and tried to assemble a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle....only you get an electric shock with every wrong piece you play.
I mentioned the other devices not to see if you "care"...it is to let you know the same method is employed to lock those as your tablet and they are just as popular with the "geniuses" that genuinely want to unlock the bootloader. AND have large bounties on them.
As to what are you supposed to do? Research next time. Buy products from a carrier that does not lock down their devices or buy a device that is not a commercial push to the military and corporate so that Verizon wants it locked down tight for more sales and contracts. Or continue to hold your breath throwing this tantrum you seem to be doing. Or...I don't know...use the tablet as it was designed to be used when sold and seems to work fine for the millions of customers who know nothing of XDA or rooting.

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You are missing the point. Bootloaders are not a simple security hack. They are the proprietary coding that allows the device to boot. There is NO decompiling, sorting through code, figuring out the lock and then unlocking it. There needs to be an exploit to get in and change it. Which means there is a 99% chance the wrong exploit attempt will brick the device...an not the "brick" all these people talk about mistakenly on this site...a REAL brick...dead paperweight. Think that it is an issue with this sites "geniuses" not wanting to do it? Maybe you would understand better if you blindfolded yourself and tried to assemble a 5000 piece jigsaw puzzle....only you get an electric shock with every wrong piece you play.
I mentioned the other devices not to see if you "care"...it is to let you know the same method is employed to lock those as your tablet and they are just as popular with the "geniuses" that genuinely want to unlock the bootloader. AND have large bounties on them.
As to what are you supposed to do? Research next time. Buy products from a carrier that does not lock down their devices or buy a device that is not a commercial push to the military and corporate so that Verizon wants it locked down tight for more sales and contracts. Or continue to hold your breath throwing this tantrum you seem to be doing. Or...I don't know...use the tablet as it was designed to be used when sold and seems to work fine for the millions of customers who know nothing of XDA or rooting.
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I would have to say that in reading text, it is generally hard to understand the tone of the text. While I wasn't throwing a tantrum, the tone of your reply is pretty unmistakable. When someone comes here genuinely looking for help and assistance with a device, is it a general practice to publicly belittle and berate them? As to my bounty, I started off low to see if others would jump on board or not. As to my carrier, I have been with Verizon from day one, get a rather large corporate discount from them on devices and accessories, and have 6 lines through them, so why just to get this tablet to do what I want it to, would I change carriers? Every device that I have had in the 'smart'phone era has been Verizon, and someone has found a way to unlock them. So I apologize if I came of looking like a prick, as that was not at all my intention. I would gladly personally pay up to $100.00 if someone could help. It is very frustrating to only be able to do half of what I want to achieve with my tablet. I'm as far as I personally can go on it. If anyone was offended by my wording, again, I am sorry for that. BTW, I changed the avatar that was only taken offense to after my post. Have a happy Sunday Funday! I know I will as I am already on bloody Mary number 4 here.

Don_Pachuco said:
I would have to say that in reading text, it is generally hard to understand the tone of the text. While I wasnt throwing a tantrum, the tone of your reply is pretty unmistakable. When someone comes here genuinely looking for help and assistance with a device, is it a general practice to publicly belittle and berate them? As to my bounty, I started off low to see if others would jump on board or not. As to my carrier, I have been with Verizon from day one, get a rather large corporate discount from them on devices and accessories, and have 6 lines through them, so why just to get this tablet to do what I want it to, would I change carriers? Every device that I have had in the smartphone era has been Verizon, and someone has found a way to unlock them. So I apologize if I came of looking like a prick, as that was not at all my intention. I would gladly personally pay up to $100.00 if someone could help. It is very frustrating to only be able to do half of what I want to achieve with my tablet. Im as far as I personally can go on it. If anyone was offended by my wording, again, I am sorry for that. BTW, I changed the avatar that was only taken offense to after my post. Have a happy Sunday Funday! I know I will as I am already on bloody Mary number 4 here.
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Your phrase that asks if you should put a bullet into your tablet certainly sounded like a bit of a tantrum. Sorry if I somehow misconstrued that. Then also sounding like you were belittling XDA developers because they did not unlock the bootloader yet.. Sounded a bit entitled. There are devices years old that have never been unlocked. I have done my best to explain why there should never be a time limit or expectations of the bootloader ever being unlocked yet you also shot that down as selfishly exclaiming you did not care about those examples and were only concerned about what matters to you. Did I leave anything out? Sorry if I somehow misinterpreted any of that. Sounds like you need to start making a decision as to what is more important to you, your corporate discount or an unlocked bootloader. Have your bounty but I already explained older Verizon devices with the same locked bootloaders has stumped the security geniuses so far.

$100
$100.00

$150.00?

The devs were never really all that involved with this tablet. It is highly unlikely they will unlock the Verizon version unless they figure out the other Samsung products. Even if they would unlock the tablet you my not get any devs that are willing to port their Roms over to the Verizon version.
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Ok, I give up

Don_Pachuco said:
Ok, I give up
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Say my friend..don't give up There are to many smart people at this forum... (and other forums) Trust me just have to be patient lol.. I am in the same boat some one will figure this out..

OK, I have a SM-P605v with a broken LCD (not the screen itself, but the display is discolored and not displaying correctly). It was previously Rooted and I have gotten screen emulators working when hooked up to my laptop. I would be willing to donate this to any Dev willing to work on the exploit. If there is a risk of bricking the device, then rest assured it's no biggie since the screen is bad on it. Please PM me if you are interested.

It's been a while now, anyone figure it out yet?....................................................

Has anyone tried the unlock script for the note 3 and note 4?
Here is the link to note 3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/official-note-3-verizon-bootloader-t3359370

I just got a SM-P605 that is unlocked. Once I figure out where the kernal came from perhaps I can be of help here. I really want to get this thing rooted and connected with my carrier. I had had a SM-P600, but it was smashed and could not be repaired. That's why I bought this tablet. Otherwise this P605 is totally stock and runs like a very well behaved powerhouse should.
Rob

i looked at this page it says u need root to use this .
Nappyloxs said:
Has anyone tried the unlock script for the note 3 and note 4?
Here is the link to note 3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/ver...l/official-note-3-verizon-bootloader-t3359370
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but dont you need a unlocked bootloader to get root ?

No you don't need unlocked bootloader to root. I think I used towel root years ago to root this tablet.

Link200 said:
The devs were never really all that involved with this tablet. It is highly unlikely they will unlock the Verizon version unless they figure out the other Samsung products. Even if they would unlock the tablet you my not get any devs that are willing to port their Roms over to the Verizon version.
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You know I really loved my SM-P600, but it was badly damaged and I don't know how or where to order in the left speaker, on/off switch from. So got really frustrated advanced ordered an SM-P605v instead and was able to get one that has an unlocked boatloader. I've not rooted it yet, or mounted TWRP on it. I may not root it though I'd like to. Even so, I'm looking into it and while, though I'm extremely happy with it,I may eventually root it.
I've explored a lot of options so far and none of them, so far, work for an SM-P605v running Android 5.1.1.
I'll get back with you about a week from now.
By the way, this tablet, and the SGN Pro are still much more powerful and capable than the Surface Pro or IPad Pro. This, even though they are getting a little older.
By the way,I spoke to a friend of mine who owns the large IPad Pro today. Apple hasn't optimised the Home screen yet, even after all these months. You'd think they'd have done better by their consumer base by now.
Even so, I'm so pleased with the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1(2014), both with the SM-P600, and the SM-P605. Unless Samsung releases a Tab A that has an S Pen and 32 gigs memory, or releases a substantial upgrade to the SM-P600,SM-P605, and SM-P607, or puts out a new SGN in the series with 64 our 128gigs internal, I'm not open to trading my tablet in. It'll be over my cold, dead body.

This whole thing just died from no interest other than from me, huh?

Warning To Developer Edition Owner

With the arrival of a new "batch" of Developer Edition Note 4s delivered in the past couple days and the ones scheduled for delivery in the coming days, the opportunity for a proud owner of one of these devices to lock their bootloader inadvertedly is high. I know the following warnings/information can be found in a number of different threads, but you have to look for them to find them. So here's several do's and don'ts for new Developer Edition Note 4s:
WARNING: MAKE SURE REACTIVATION LOCK IS NOT SELECTED UNDER YOU SECURITY SETTINGS IF YOU PLAN ON INSTALLING TWRP AND ROOT!!!
1) Never take an OTA update from Verizon. Samsung has never updated the firmware on their Developer Edition devices...never. The chance that Samsung will change their policy for the Note 4 is slim to none. Taking an OTA update will most likely lock your bootloader. Yes, if you have TWRP installed and rooted the update should fail if it automatically downloads and tries to self-install. The point is, when notified that there is a OTA update, don't take it.
2) Never flash a firmware file unless you know it has been approved and tested for the Developer Edition. Finding firmware for the Retail version of the Note is easy, finding firmware for the Developer Edition is, at this point in time, impossible. If you flash Retail firmware on your Developer Edition you will lock your bootloader.
3) There is only one ROM available and safe to flash for the Verizon Note 4 Developer Edition...one. That ROM can be found in the Android Development Section below. Flashing a ROM developed for a different carriers device usually produces less than desired results, don't do it.
4) Security Policy updates from the Play Store are safe to install if you want to, but are not necessary. Security updates from Verizon should be avoided.
I hope this helps some new Developer Edition users avoid a costly mistake. We already know of two Note 4 Developer Edition owners that have flashed Retail firmware and now have an expensive Retail model of the Note 4.

jpcalhoun said:
With the arrival of a new "batch" of Developer Edition Note 4s delivered in the past couple days and the ones scheduled for delivery in the coming days, the opportunity for a proud owner of one of these devices to lock their bootloader inadvertedly is high. I know the following warnings/information can be found in a number of different threads, but you have to look for them to find them. So here's several do's and don'ts for new Developer Edition Note 4s:
1) Never take an OTA update from Verizon. Samsung has never updated the firmware on their Developer Edition devices...never. The chance that Samsung will change their policy for the Note 4 is slim to none. Taking an OTA update will most likely lock your bootloader. Yes, if you have TWRP installed and rooted the update should fail if it automatically downloads and tries to self-install. The point is, when notified that there is a OTA update, don't take it.
2) Never flash a firmware file unless you know it has been approved and tested for the Developer Edition. Finding firmware for the Retail version of the Note is easy, finding firmware for the Developer Edition is, at this point in time, impossible. If you flash Retail firmware on your Developer Edition you will lock your bootloader.
3) There is only one ROM available and safe to flash for the Verizon Note 4 Developer Edition...one. That ROM can be found in the Android Development Section below. Flashing a ROM developed for a different carriers device usually produces less than desired results, don't do it.
4) Security Policy updates from the Play Store are safe to install if you want to, but are not necessary. Security updates from Verizon should be avoided.
I hope this helps some new Developer Edition users avoid a costly mistake. We already know of two Note 4 Developer Edition owners that have flashed Retail firmware and now have an expensive Retail model of the Note 4.
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Good advice...although I would have hoped that people buying a DE would know better.
Slight update to point 3...FireKAT is coming to VZW. The developer is rebasing it for VZW and said it would be available by the end of the weekend. Be sure to thank and/or donate to him if anyone uses it as he may be our best path to Lollipop when it comes out for the Note 4.

I've heard good things about FireKat, can't wait to try it.

Is there a thread somewhere to monitor FireKAT to Verizon progress?

What is even the point of the dev edition then for the average XDA'er? Having an unlocked bootloaders main benefit is the ability to flash other custom roms. However, most phones with locked bootloaders usually use safestrap, but since the amount of people who own the dev edition is relatively small, it doesn't seem that beneficial. I debated for a long time getting a note 3 DE but decided against it. It seemed overall that it was a hassle and I refrained. The only reason I bought the N4 is simply I had an upgrade available and if I didn't, probably would have passed on that too. This way I can keep rotating my 4 lines, 1 with ULD, to get 2 upgrades per year?

Romans8vs1 said:
Is there a thread somewhere to monitor FireKAT to Verizon progress?
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There are periodic references to it in the TMO N4 dev thread and I exchanged a couple of PMs with the dev related to another topic but it came up ...it will happen, we just need to be patient.
Update: FireKat should be available in a couple days per the dev. When it drops be sure to support him if you flash it.

kimdoocheol said:
What is even the point of the dev edition then for the average XDA'er? Having an unlocked bootloaders main benefit is the ability to flash other custom roms. However, most phones with locked bootloaders usually use safestrap, but since the amount of people who own the dev edition is relatively small, it doesn't seem that beneficial. I debated for a long time getting a note 3 DE but decided against it. It seemed overall that it was a hassle and I refrained. The only reason I bought the N4 is simply I had an upgrade available and if I didn't, probably would have passed on that too. This way I can keep rotating my 4 lines, 1 with ULD, to get 2 upgrades per year?
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Yes, there aren't many (only one right now) ROMs available for the Note 4 Developer Edition. But, there are plenty of apps that require root that enable the user to customize, improve performance, improve battery life and perform functions that you can't do on a retail version. That is the primary reason I choose a Developer Edition. Another factor is the fact that I hate SafeStrap. So, if I was interested in flashing customized ROMs I don't want to do it with SafeStrap (that's assuming they ever get root for the retail version and if a version of SafeStrap comes available). Life is full of choices, you made yours and I made mine for different reasons. It's all good.

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Yes, there aren't many (only one right now) ROMs available for the Note 4 Developer Edition. But, there are plenty of apps that require root that enable the user to customize, improve performance, improve battery life and perform functions that you can't do on a retail version. That is the primary reason I choose a Developer Edition. Another factor is the fact that I hate SafeStrap. So, if I was interested in flashing customized ROMs I don't want to do it with SafeStrap (that's assuming they ever get root for the retail version and if a version of SafeStrap comes available). Life is full of choices, you made yours and I made mine for different reasons. It's all good.
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If root is ever achieved, many of the things mentioned can be done too.
But yeah, I never really liked SS either, just saying that it is an option, but my main point I guess is that the DE sort of splits the community a bit. Many people don't want to lose their UDP so buy unsubsidized anyways so the DE isn't a bad option. However, it just seems like these kind of things cause a lack of dev on one side or the other which is bad for the N4 community as a whole. That's what I was really getting at.
Yeah, I just bought an N4 actually though and am sort of let down this time coming from my N2. MW and the S-Pen I never really utilized with the N2 since I switched to an AOSP based rom as soon as they became available, but halo and floating window were nice too.
The only three features that really stand out to me are the camera, the display, and the fingerprint scanner.

kimdoocheol said:
If root is ever achieved, many of the things mentioned can be done too.
But yeah, I never really liked SS either, just saying that it is an option, but my main point I guess is that the DE sort of splits the community a bit. Many people don't want to lose their UDP so buy unsubsidized anyways so the DE isn't a bad option. However, it just seems like these kind of things cause a lack of dev on one side or the other which is bad for the N4 community as a whole. That's what I was really getting at.
Yeah, I just bought an N4 actually though and am sort of let down this time coming from my N2. MW and the S-Pen I never really utilized with the N2 since I switched to an AOSP based rom as soon as they became available, but halo and floating window were nice too.
The only three features that really stand out to me are the camera, the display, and the fingerprint scanner.
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You are correct, if root is achieved many of the things I pointed out can be achieved. I also agree that two different versions of one phone can split the community. But in today's environment, it is getting harder and harder to even get root much less unlock bootloaders or get a version of SafeSTrap that will work. If that remains the status quo then I'm glad the development community at least has the Developer Edition to work on. I'm not a crack flasher but I do like the ability to run the five or six apps that I like that require root and have the option to flash a custom ROM if I want. Plus, I really like the ability to create my own debloated ROM by getting rid of all the Verizon, Samsung and even some of the Google crap they put on our phones. I can cut the size of the stock ROM by almost 50% by debloating and have all the functionality I want or use. It makes a noticeable difference in the speed and smoothness of the phone's functions and battery life. I guess I just hate to be like the iPhone community that is locked into what ever Apple thinks we need or want, LOL. But, that "freedom" is getting harder and harder to come by.

Thanks for the heads up op.
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jpcalhoun said:
You are correct, if root is achieved many of the things I pointed out can be achieved. I also agree that two different versions of one phone can split the community. But in today's environment, it is getting harder and harder to even get root much less unlock bootloaders or get a version of SafeSTrap that will work. If that remains the status quo then I'm glad the development community at least has the Developer Edition to work on. I'm not a crack flasher but I do like the ability to run the five or six apps that I like that require root and have the option to flash a custom ROM if I want. Plus, I really like the ability to create my own debloated ROM by getting rid of all the Verizon, Samsung and even some of the Google crap they put on our phones. I can cut the size of the stock ROM by almost 50% by debloating and have all the functionality I want or use. It makes a noticeable difference in the speed and smoothness of the phone's functions and battery life. I guess I just hate to be like the iPhone community that is locked into what ever Apple thinks we need or want, LOL. But, that "freedom" is getting harder and harder to come by.
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I'm in a similar boat myself, but the thing is I have 5 lines I can manipulate my upgrades with so buying subsidized is more of a benefit for me with all the current workarounds than shelling out 700. When I was going to get the N3, I xfer my upgrade and sold my note 3 retail to get the DE, but decided last minute not to do it. For some reason, the aesthetics of the N3 did not seem that appealing but the N4 is beautiful.
But yeah, I just think it is a sad state we are stuck in with VZW. The service is good, but the company is definitely somewhat crooked and incompetent. I had TMob, AT&T before, but the service and speeds never compared to what I got in my area with VZW. That's why I really want the N6 if there is an unlocked bootloader, as an added bonus the phones all seem to be the same SKU which means the user base and dev base will be huge.
And yes, 100% agree, not even having root now is very unappealing for no TiBU, and quite a few other apps I constantly use that require root, Repetitouch for example, bunch of xposed mods, and no custom DPI. I seriously cannot even think about using Chrome without adjustable DPI or the ability to block permissions.
Agreed again, iDevices main downfall is they didn't license out their OS. I don't have the numbers, but I know SS captured a big amount of their market, but if you add in the other Android phones I don't think iOS even comes close. Which was the only reason I ever had an iDevice, but I really missed the level of customization and that was coming from the OG Droid, haha.
So right now I am sort of stuck in this spot, either keep the N4, return it for an N6 when it comes to VZW or sell the N4 and get the device from the play store. From what i've played around with, the camera, display, and the fingerprint scanner make it a hard decision. Also I am so used to soft keys rather than capacitive buttons, feel like that eats up a lot of screen real estate. But I am pretty sure I am going to get the N6 and move away from SS, which is quite sad because I like their peripherals and overall devices.

To be honest I don't know why everyone is so eager to jump ship to the Developer Edition note 4 when there is absolutely no development going on right now for it.
The vast majority of Galaxy Note 4 users are retail. Unless a vast majority of Developer Edition Phones are bought by the public I just don't know how there will be development for the device since there is no popularity. (ie no audience to develop for)
I mean sure.... you get root. You can debloat a little here and there but what matters most is getting your favorite rom that you want ported to your device.
Other than that. Developer edition doesn't look like a hoot right now, imo =/

kimdoocheol said:
I'm in a similar boat myself, but the thing is I have 5 lines I can manipulate my upgrades with so buying subsidized is more of a benefit for me with all the current workarounds than shelling out 700. When I was going to get the N3, I xfer my upgrade and sold my note 3 retail to get the DE, but decided last minute not to do it. For some reason, the aesthetics of the N3 did not seem that appealing but the N4 is beautiful.
But yeah, I just think it is a sad state we are stuck in with VZW. The service is good, but the company is definitely somewhat crooked and incompetent. I had TMob, AT&T before, but the service and speeds never compared to what I got in my area with VZW. That's why I really want the N6 if there is an unlocked bootloader, as an added bonus the phones all seem to be the same SKU which means the user base and dev base will be huge.
And yes, 100% agree, not even having root now is very unappealing for no TiBU, and quite a few other apps I constantly use that require root, Repetitouch for example, bunch of xposed mods, and no custom DPI. I seriously cannot even think about using Chrome without adjustable DPI or the ability to block permissions.
Agreed again, iDevices main downfall is they didn't license out their OS. I don't have the numbers, but I know SS captured a big amount of their market, but if you add in the other Android phones I don't think iOS even comes close. Which was the only reason I ever had an iDevice, but I really missed the level of customization and that was coming from the OG Droid, haha.
So right now I am sort of stuck in this spot, either keep the N4, return it for an N6 when it comes to VZW or sell the N4 and get the device from the play store. From what i've played around with, the camera, display, and the fingerprint scanner make it a hard decision. Also I am so used to soft keys rather than capacitive buttons, feel like that eats up a lot of screen real estate. But I am pretty sure I am going to get the N6 and move away from SS, which is quite sad because I like their peripherals and overall devices.
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I can appreciate your position. Hey, the N6 is a great phone, go for it.

MiuKing said:
To be honest I don't know why everyone is so eager to jump ship to the Developer Edition note 4 when there is absolutely no development going on right now for it.
The vast majority of Galaxy Note 4 users are retail. Unless a vast majority of Developer Edition Phones are bought by the public I just don't know how there will be development for the device since there is no popularity. (ie no audience to develop for)
I mean sure.... you get root. You can debloat a little here and there but what matters most is getting your favorite rom that you want ported to your device.
Other than that. Developer edition doesn't look like a hoot right now, imo =/
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you dont know that. tmobile kernels work fine. and as far as firekat coming it will be here tomorrow or later this week i have talked to dev about it already.
also stock rom debloated with tweaks and a kernel you dont need much more right now honestly. and i can tell you this GOOD LUCK with rooting the retail and you will NEVER get an unlocked bootloader

jpcalhoun said:
You are correct, if root is achieved many of the things I pointed out can be achieved. I also agree that two different versions of one phone can split the community. But in today's environment, it is getting harder and harder to even get root much less unlock bootloaders or get a version of SafeSTrap that will work. If that remains the status quo then I'm glad the development community at least has the Developer Edition to work on. I'm not a crack flasher but I do like the ability to run the five or six apps that I like that require root and have the option to flash a custom ROM if I want. Plus, I really like the ability to create my own debloated ROM by getting rid of all the Verizon, Samsung and even some of the Google crap they put on our phones. I can cut the size of the stock ROM by almost 50% by debloating and have all the functionality I want or use. It makes a noticeable difference in the speed and smoothness of the phone's functions and battery life. I guess I just hate to be like the iPhone community that is locked into what ever Apple thinks we need or want, LOL. But, that "freedom" is getting harder and harder to come by.
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jpcalhoun said:
I can appreciate your position. Hey, the N6 is a great phone, go for it.
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Hard to find... Really, hard to find.
It sort of pains me to jump boat though, as i've always had Samsung since a few years ago. Never really had TW on there for that long
And I can appreciate your sentiments too because a lot of the reasons you mentioned are some of the reasons I want to stick with the N4. There are way too many variables now in picking a phone IMO.

MiuKing said:
To be honest I don't know why everyone is so eager to jump ship to the Developer Edition note 4 when there is absolutely no development going on right now for it.
The vast majority of Galaxy Note 4 users are retail. Unless a vast majority of Developer Edition Phones are bought by the public I just don't know how there will be development for the device since there is no popularity. (ie no audience to develop for)
I mean sure.... you get root. You can debloat a little here and there but what matters most is getting your favorite rom that you want ported to your device.
Other than that. Developer edition doesn't look like a hoot right now, imo =/
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I'm on my 3rd rooted device and yet to install a custom rom. I simply want root access, and the ability to have my phone be MINE! I don't want BS apps on my phone. I don't want the factory browser to have locked bookmarks. I don't want a camera telling me I can't use flash when I'm at 12% battery life.

kimdoocheol said:
If root is ever achieved, many of the things mentioned can be done too.
But yeah, I never really liked SS either, just saying that it is an option, but my main point I guess is that the DE sort of splits the community a bit. Many people don't want to lose their UDP so buy unsubsidized anyways so the DE isn't a bad option. However, it just seems like these kind of things cause a lack of dev on one side or the other which is bad for the N4 community as a whole. That's what I was really getting at.
Yeah, I just bought an N4 actually though and am sort of let down this time coming from my N2. MW and the S-Pen I never really utilized with the N2 since I switched to an AOSP based rom as soon as they became available, but halo and floating window were nice too.
The only three features that really stand out to me are the camera, the display, and the fingerprint scanner.
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Hi,
Besides the 3 things you found better than the N2, what about cell and wifi reception, is it better when compared to the N2?
Thank you,
Bryan

trapperjohn said:
Hi,
Besides the 3 things you found better than the N2, what about cell and wifi reception, is it better when compared to the N2?
Thank you,
Bryan
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Cell reception is definitely better John.
WiFi is the same. I've never had a bad experience with WiFi.
My N2 for some reason lately was capped at around 80kb/s-100kb/s and I can't seem to get much higher than that. When I first got the phone it was 300+ almost all the time, but that could be because LTE wasn't as big back then or the updates they have done henceforht.
EDIT: When I say better, I mean a lot better. I sit in the same spot at my desk and with my N2 I was always constantly having to stand up to send a text or make a call. This phone I can do it practically while laying on the ground. So reception has improved drastically for me.

MiuKing said:
To be honest I don't know why everyone is so eager to jump ship to the Developer Edition note 4 when there is absolutely no development going on right now for it.
The vast majority of Galaxy Note 4 users are retail. Unless a vast majority of Developer Edition Phones are bought by the public I just don't know how there will be development for the device since there is no popularity. (ie no audience to develop for)
I mean sure.... you get root. You can debloat a little here and there but what matters most is getting your favorite rom that you want ported to your device.
Other than that. Developer edition doesn't look like a hoot right now, imo =/
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Dude you miss the whole point of a DE Note 4, FREEDOM!!!!
I had a retail Note 4 before I got he DE. With the retail I felt trap, almost choking to a point. I couldn't immerse my self with it, and NOT HAVING Viper4Android was a NO NO. You have to hear the Note 4 with V4A with a pair of Sony MDR-1RTBT MK2. Coming from flashing almost a ROM per week on my note 3 and ending up with stock debloated TW version didn't feel bad at all and this where I'm at with the N4. I'm about to Flash AMSPilot debloated now and so far I'm good until FireKat.

Poloasis said:
Dude you miss the whole point of a DE Note 4, FREEDOM!!!!
I had a retail Note 4 before I got he DE. With the retail I felt trap, almost choking to a point. I couldn't immerse my self with it, and NOT HAVING Viper4Android was a NO NO. You have to hear the Note 4 with V4A with a pair of Sony MDR-1RTBT MK2. Coming from flashing almost a ROM per week on my note 3 and ending up with stock debloated TW version didn't feel bad at all and this where I'm at with the N4. I'm about to Flash AMSPilot debloated now and so far I'm good until FireKat.
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I think you misunderstood what i meant.
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Some Thoughts As The Note 3 Becomes Less Relevant

Hello, my name is Firefishe.
I've had my N900A Note 3 since early 2012. Since that time, I've been watching these forums, and the developer community in general, to see what might happen given time for this handset, in terms of customization.
These are key areas for me:
1. Unlocked Bootloader by now
2. Elimination of Knox Corporate Security software for non-corporate users, meaning, most of us.
3. Active ROM Development by the community for this handset. AOSP, here, not just TouchWiz.
Because this is an old handset by technological standards now, I would take the line that no one really gives a flying frack about the bootloader on this thing.
However, even if this is so, why can't I find any relevant information on this one subject: "N900A Bootloader Unlocking."
That subject, when searched, seems to do nothing but bring up ancient hits that have nothing of value, speculation, and other tripe.
I, for one, want to experiment. However, I can't afford the full price of a Nexus 5 or I would have purchased one long ago. I have to buy on contract, and AT&T has the best coverage in my area.
Also, I enjoy my S Pen. (Old Palm Pilot user here.)
So I'm stuck.
Or am I?
Part of the joy of electronics use is making the most if older-but-still-useful hardware. The Note 3 is still a quad core. It handles any game or program I want to use just fine, with no problems.
Is there no one who is working on this device, anymore?
Does any dev on this site have any insight that can be provided as to why this device's bootloader hasn't been unlocked, yet?
Anyway, I'd like to know if there is any private advancement being done on this subject, and would like a private email from anyone who cares to respond.
<firefishe AT Gmail DOT com>
I'm planning on having this handset for some time yet, and long to see Paranoid Android running on it.
If anyone can assist me with this, it would be greatly appreciated.
Best Regards,
-Firefishe

When I bought my Note 3 this June, I was coming from the Galaxy S3, which I had long ago rooted, unlocked, and was running Cyanogenmod on. Little did I know that unlocking the bootloader was not a common thing. And it seems to be becoming less common.
Imagine my surprise when I got home with my new Note 3 and went to the Cyanogenmod site to download and install. I learned a lot in the next few days about bootloaders, Knox, etc. I also learned that the phone I had just entered a two-year contract with was not what I wanted. At least not software wise.
Every day I do a search for Android Unlock Bootloader and check the news of the last 24 hours, hoping for some glitter of hope. I see newer phones, like the LG G3 and Nexus 6, offering bootlader unlocking. I see companies working hard to give their customers what they want - a phone that they can do anything with. And I see Samsung and AT&T doing the opposite - pushing more secure, unbreakable software and bloat out, usually months after their competitors have brought the latest Android OS to their flagship devices.
I did catch a glimpse of hope with Towelroot, and now my phone is rooted. Back in August I caught another glimpse of hope when Dan Rosenberg spoke at the Blackhat conference, saying that any Android bootlader could be unlocked thanks to a security exploit in Snapdragon processors. That hope was quickly diminished by Dan himself when he said not on the Note 3, and Qualcomm said they already patched the exploit.
And just last month I learned of Safestrap and the many ROMs offered as an alternative. I am now running my Bloat 3 on @bri315317 's fantastic Dynamic Rom Xtreme. This is about as close to an unlocked AOSP experience as you can get on the Note 3.
But still every day I search news for any sign of an unlocked bootlader for my phone. Older phones are being exploited. Newer phone as well, usually by the phone makers themselves. But still AT&T and Samsung refuse to give their customers what they want. Complete use of a product that we bought.
So this will be my last Samsung phone. Had I been a bit more patient I would have bought a Nexus 6. For now I have a year and a half to go with my Samsung and AT&T locked device. At least there is a viable alternative with Safestrap and ROM makers like Brian et al.

I sold mine yesterday for "pennies". AT&T Note 3 is the working "brick" phone w/o unlock bootloader. It's a very nice but completely useless for XDA folks. Back to my T-M Galaxy s2 for now. Just wondering what to buy next.

jondoe27 said:
I sold mine yesterday for "pennies". AT&T Note 3 is the working "brick" phone w/o unlock bootloader. It's a very nice but completely useless for XDA folks. Back to my T-M Galaxy s2 for now. Just wondering what to buy next.
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Lol gave up note 3 for s2. I wouldn't do that I'm thinking about getting an Optimus G, even to this day excellent development, but I probably wouldn't sell the note 3 yet tho. I would Odin it back to stock and use the Optimus G for aosp and stuff

We have roms. And KitKat. I'm fine with my note 3 and my note 4 Rom. If u don't know by now, there's a thread in Q&A about flashing other carrier roms. I actually don't mind using Safe strap, it's safer and works fine for my flashing habit. I love my Note 3, and I feel its still one of the best around!

The note 3 came out September of 2013....
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Thanks For Replying
Thanks to everyone who's replied to this thread.
Your comments are appreciated.
-Firefishe

@Firefishe, are you running the stock ROM or have you flashed one of the custom ROMs?

Loved this phone, but with the random reboots, ****ty customer service, locked bootloader and bloat I'll never buy another Samsung or AT&T device again. Count on that.

This is completely speculation but I think this is going to happen down the road. There will come a time where companies will start to lock ALL their bootloaders. Some XDA users will exploit a few workarounds and when they do, those companies will try and "buy them off". If it happens it will take away the "rebels" and add to their "army" and after a while some of the greats on XDA will be working against XDA because of all the money the corporate companies will offer them. Don't get me wrong, there will be some absolute rebels that won't "defect" but at the end of the day it's all about money and trust me if a company is offering you 75 to 100k+ to "defect"and make their security software stronger. It's hard to turn down money of that nature. Just saying though
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They aren't rebels and we aren't the rebellion.
Of course the higher end devs here will tend to end up in programming jobs that directly relate. Hashcode and geohotz are two amazing examples of that.
And now that it is becoming harder and harder to hack some of these devices a few devs can only justify that time with a paycheck. After all if it took 4 guys 4 hours a night for 4 months at what their pay rate of say $40 an hour you're looking at a $76,800 project.
In the end you are right, we will wind up being mostly safestrap and root for the locked devices and full Roms for the specialty devices.
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Exactly.......... whatever he bought in January 2012 must have been a Note since the even the Note 2 was not out before September/October 2012 (I think). I love the Note 3 and with Safestrap and Odin, we can choose between several Kitkat NC2 (4.4.2) roms and use NJ5 (4.4.4) roms including those running Note 4 apps. I was tempted to get the Note 4 but after hearing about the advance specs of the Note 5 (like over 700 ppi display and 4 gigs of ram among other enticing specs). I think I can wait until next September.!

There are always will be competition between amateurs and pros. This forum is the one of the prove. Besides that there is a plenty ambitions ppl who do this just because they like and can. Another thing the companies always are looking for a new recruits to replace a current staff (just cheaper for the business). And don't forget about a competition between big (and small) brands. They will do everything to survive.
Just mine 2c.
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optimusv45 said:
Lol gave up note 3 for s2. I wouldn't do that I'm thinking about getting an Optimus G, even to this day excellent development, but I probably wouldn't sell the note 3 yet tho. I would Odin it back to stock and use the Optimus G for aosp and stuff
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I really like a NOTE 3 just not AT&T brand. And it was kinda useless for me and I barely used it.
I wanted to buy NOTE 4 from T-MOBILE but they didn't want to sell it to me because I'm on prepaid.

I think that as long as there is a community of people looking to fully own their device there will be someone willing to give them what they want.
Some companies could create a brand around a community of smartphone users that really want to own their device and modify it as they wish.
I think the Nexus line is one such example.
If there is demand for something someone, somewhere will provide it.
Are there any business type people here? Anyone that would know or want to start a start up that offers complete freedom to own their device? Sometimes you have to be the change you want to see.

Already been done. It is called one plus one.
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Why do you folks sound so desperate? I'm gonna play you some of my sad banjo music. Lmao [emoji23]
There will ALWAYS be root and ROMs. Making it sound like a battle. Rebels and armies and all that. There is always nexus devices and t-mobile and international phones and other options. Cyanogenmod is coming along the way now and more companies are going to throw it on their devices. Start with oneplus one and we will see more. Just chill out and enjoy safestrap and whatever rom you got running at the moment. You got a device that is not really that far from the note 4, only a few little differences that are not that big of a deal. I mean, I know people that are still running S2 and even older devices just fine. I love my note 3 and won't change it for a while. I AM able to buy the note 4 or any other "flagship" out there, but I really see no point in that. 1080p display with quad core processor and you name it.
from my note 3

Running stock. Rooted. Updated to Safestrap Recovery 3.75 recently. Played around with Dynamic Kat Extreme, but am now back on stock.

mrkhigh said:
The note 3 came out September of 2013....
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I stand corrected.

jondoe27 said:
There are always will be competition between amateurs and pros. This forum is the one of the prove. Besides that there is a plenty ambitions ppl who do this just because they like and can. Another thing the companies always are looking for a new recruits to replace a current staff (just cheaper for the business). And don't forget about a competition between big (and small) brands. They will do everything to survive.
Just mine 2c.
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I really like a NOTE 3 just not AT&T brand. And it was kinda useless for me and I barely used it.
I wanted to buy NOTE 4 from T-MOBILE but they didn't want to sell it to me because I'm on prepaid.
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If you're paying full price and the local dealer won't sell it to you, try another store or buy it off Amazon.
Local dealers, in my experience, aren't always the brightest of beings.

K-alz said:
Why do you folks sound so desperate? I'm gonna play you some of my sad banjo music. Lmao [emoji23]
There will ALWAYS be root and ROMs. Making it sound like a battle. Rebels and armies and all that. There is always nexus devices and t-mobile and international phones and other options. Cyanogenmod is coming along the way now and more companies are going to throw it on their devices. Start with oneplus one and we will see more. Just chill out and enjoy safestrap and whatever rom you got running at the moment. You got a device that is not really that far from the note 4, only a few little differences that are not that big of a deal. I mean, I know people that are still running S2 and even older devices just fine. I love my note 3 and won't change it for a while. I AM able to buy the note 4 or any other "flagship" out there, but I really see no point in that. 1080p display with quad core processor and you name it.
from my note 3
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I guess if I wanted to be status quo, I would not have started a thread like this.