[Q]Efficient Solar Charger ~2.0 amp+ - Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

What would be a solar charger that would be the most powerful for our phones that want 2.1a(10 watt) charge? I found solar panels that are 10 watts on a dual usb output of only 5 watts(1.0a) per usb slot.

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Wow still nothing. I guess I am the only one that would be interested in a solar charger for our phones lol

solar chargers are dumb. 95% of the cost is voltage regulator, packaging, and shipping.
You end up paying $30+ per watt.
an electromechanical charger is much more cost effective, and doesnt require direct sunlight.
You end up paying ~$1 per watt.

nakedtime said:
solar chargers are dumb. 95% of the cost is voltage regulator, packaging, and shipping.
You end up paying $30+ per watt.
an electromechanical charger is much more cost effective, and doesnt require direct sunlight.
You end up paying ~$1 per watt.
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I'm interested in solar charging but don't know the answer to your question.
Why would a regulator cost a lot? Regulators are super cheap. Solar panels can be expensive.
Also, how would someone use an electromechanical charger? Like a windmill or water wheel or something?

gnoted said:
I'm interested in solar charging but don't know the answer to your question.
Why would a regulator cost a lot? Regulators are super cheap. Solar panels can be expensive.
Also, how would someone use an electromechanical charger? Like a windmill or water wheel or something?
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I think he means how those cheap crank flashlights work.

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still nothing out there for us?

lmike6453 said:
still nothing out there for us?
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There are plenty of solar chargers for iphone, all you need to do is rewire or get adapter and there are things like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/190914211655?lpid=82
However I have not used any of those myself, so can't say how effective they're.
All you really need is solar panel with proper voltage output, plug and some Sun. I think they're not that popular due to higher cost and limited use (you need large panel to get higher amperage). Unless you're hiking by foot, even going camping into woods, chances are you have a car as good charging option. Another problem with solar, the best time to charge the phone is at night and that's when you can't do it at all, rain and clouds will also limit your charging ability. The only time I would look into solar panels would be if I was going to explore Amazon jungle or something, but would I get any signal for Google maps to work?

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There are plenty of solar chargers for iphone, all you need to do is rewire or get adapter and there are things like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/190914211655?lpid=82
However I have not used any of those myself, so can't say how effective they're.
All you really need is solar panel with proper voltage output, plug and some Sun. I think they're not that popular due to higher cost and limited use (you need large panel to get higher amperage). Unless you're hiking by foot, even going camping into woods, chances are you have a car as good charging option. Another problem with solar, the best time to charge the phone is at night and that's when you can't do it at all, rain and clouds will also limit your charging ability. The only time I would look into solar panels would be if I was going to explore Amazon jungle or something, but would I get any signal for Google maps to work?
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Thanks for the response but I actually own that same exact solar charger lol, it doesn't output anywhere near 2.1 amps that we require for our devices to charge at a normal rate.
As far as the reasoning, it is for camping/hiking and emergencies where you might not have electric and/or gas to burn. For nighttime charge, I own a Biolite campstove for thermal/fire based power.
About the data signal loss, check out true GPS based apps like Navfree USA that i use. Download the map ahead of time, and rely solely on GPS sats like one should

To be honest I had a feeling this does not have output anywhere near it's rating, but it's better than nothing. However, if I may suggest, there are separate battery packs that you could just leave and charge up over the whole day and then hook up to your phone later, if they have enough voltage and capacity, they could work as a charger in the field, even at night. Also in order to get high charging rates, I think you need to fool the phone into thinking it's hooked up to outlet charger. Galaxy S3 had data lines shorted to get that, I'm not sure how does it work with Note3.
Thanks for the map tip.

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bump....maybe it's time to look for a lower powered phone

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Power adaptors

Anyone seen where to buy extra power adapters? Be nice to have one with a longer cable. Stock one is very short.
Wish it was USB charged....
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http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/acer-iconia-tab-a500-forum/13840-chargers.html
Found another forum discussing the lame power cable.
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I couldn't stand it anymore so I snipped my wire and added another 4 ft.
I have been trying to get an additional PSU and car charger for my Acer. Went to Frys, tried almost EVERYTHING they have on those Universal PSU and NONE of them work in the pin connector for the Acer. What gives!
Try to get a free tip for my Energizer Xpal and also result in zero search. Any fellows have a pointer to where in getting the right tip? Thx
So far the ONLY one that I have found that works is the Enercell 12 / 1.5 with the 'G' tip, but it's like $30 at RadioShack. The tip itself is a little long and if it wiggles it will stop/start charging off and on.
I'm working with a few people to find some at decent price for us.
anyone measured the dimensions of the charging tip at all? If worse comes to worse we could always buy a generic 12v 1.5a AC adapter from ebay and buy the tip separately to solder on.
The USB port wont be able to charge the tablet fast enough and the battery will still drain. I've found that this happens on my Xperia X10 mobile phone. I have to disable 3G data in order get it to start charging.
julz said:
anyone measured the dimensions of the charging tip at all? If worse comes to worse we could always buy a generic 12v 1.5a AC adapter from ebay and buy the tip separately to solder on.
The USB port wont be able to charge the tablet fast enough and the battery will still drain. I've found that this happens on my Xperia X10 mobile phone. I have to disable 3G data in order get it to start charging.
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The 'g' tip for the Encercell is 1.1mm x 3.0mm
Hope that helps
thanks for hte dimensions... unfortunately they don't sell that brand over here in Australia. I'm also reluctant to pay ~$30 for a charger.
I wonder if one of the round tips on this USB charger would fit:
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/10-in-1-usb-powered-charging-cable-for-ipod-psp-cell-phones-34674
It may still charge if the device is switched off completely.
atomicwedgie said:
I couldn't stand it anymore so I snipped my wire and added another 4 ft.
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Yeah nice one, I was thinking of doing the very same thing as it should not cause any problems.
So did it go ok, what did you use for the extra wire?
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I can confirm the Radio Shack Enercell (12vdc, 1.5a) with the 'G' tip works. Picked one up today for $29 (get the tip for free) and its currently charging the Acer as I type this.
Tip: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807935
Plug: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=3807944&numProdsPerPage=60
MJ-12 said:
Yeah nice one, I was thinking of doing the very same thing as it should not cause any problems.
So did it go ok, what did you use for the extra wire?
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No charging difference at all except I don't have to have my face mashed up against the wall while it charges.
I used a piece of wire from an old 1amp charger I had. The extra piece doesn't even get slighty warm. 1.5 amps isn't all that much juice. I did solder the connetions too.
huh and it is only $10 for a new one.
http://us-store.acer.com/product.aspx?pn=LC.ADT0A.024
atomicwedgie said:
huh and it is only $10 for a new one.
http://us-store.acer.com/product.aspx?pn=LC.ADT0A.024
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Even at $10 it is grossly overpriced
Acer needs to offer a PS with a six foot cable that is not crazy thin like the stock PS.
rushless said:
Even at $10 it is grossly overpriced
Acer needs to offer a PS with a six foot cable that is not crazy thin like the stock PS.
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True story
Did a quick google on my powersupply PSA18R-120P.
Came up with http://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/284284/PHIHONG/PSA18R-120P.html
or
http://www.phihongusa.com/html/pr_psa18r-120p.html
"The PSA18R-120P is priced at $10.23 per unit at OEM quantities"
Assuming they bought off the shelf:
DC Output Connector
2.1x5.5mm Center Positive Standard
For us australians: Going to see if I can visit Jaycar and will report back in with what I find.
Wal-Mart Car Charger
The Wal-Mart Car charger for portable DVD players works perfect.
a quick look at the wall power supply says that it it needs 12V at 1.5 amps with center of tip positive.
The Wal-Mart car charger puts out 2000ma (2amps), and has a tip that works.. It works PERFECT and it only costs 15 bux.
usb charging is out.. usb is only 5V at 500 ma (.5 amp).. not sure why everybody complains about wanting USB to charge their tablet. Even if they did add it, it would take so terribly long to charge it, you would get mad. With the proper charger and voltage, it only takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge the thing...
Good luck!
mikldom said:
The Wal-Mart Car charger for portable DVD players works perfect.
a quick look at the wall power supply says that it it needs 12V at 1.5 amps with center of tip positive.
The Wal-Mart car charger puts out 2000ma (2amps), and has a tip that works.. It works PERFECT and it only costs 15 bux.
usb charging is out.. usb is only 5V at 500 ma (.5 amp).. not sure why everybody complains about wanting USB to charge their tablet. Even if they did add it, it would take so terribly long to charge it, you would get mad. With the proper charger and voltage, it only takes about 2-3 hours to fully charge the thing...
Good luck!
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This has been a topic of discussions for a LONG time hopefully you'll know.... Couldn't there be a potential issue with charging at 2 amps when it calls for 1.5?? I was told you could use less but not ore without causing damage to the battery?
I have a 'demo' on the way from overseas to try that I should get Wednesday. I will let you know ASAP.
This is a big issue with me as I prefer a charger at home and the office and I'd like something that I can charge on my desk 'without my face mashed up against the wall' (as atomicwedgie so perfectly put it)
it2steve said:
This has been a topic of discussions for a LONG time hopefully you'll know.... Couldn't there be a potential issue with charging at 2 amps when it calls for 1.5?? I was told you could use less but not ore without causing damage to the battery?
I have a 'demo' on the way from overseas to try that I should get Wednesday. I will let you know ASAP.
This is a big issue with me as I prefer a charger at home and the office and I'd like something that I can charge on my desk 'without my face mashed up against the wall' (as atomicwedgie so perfectly put it)
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The Amp rating on wall chargers is what the charger is CAPABLE of outputting, not what it is always outputting. As long as there is current limiting built into the charging circuit (which is a must), then the charging circuit in the A500 won't pull any more amperage than it needs to charge. Don't worry about buying a higher amperage charger than is needed, but do worry about buying one that is lower as it can overload the charger.
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The Amp rating on wall chargers is what the charger is CAPABLE of outputting, not what it is always outputting. As long as there is current limiting built into the charging circuit (which is a must), then the charging circuit in the A500 won't pull any more amperage than it needs to charge. Don't worry about buying a higher amperage charger than is needed, but do worry about buying one that is lower as it can overload the charger.
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Absolutely correct.
silic0re said:
The Amp rating on wall chargers is what the charger is CAPABLE of outputting, not what it is always outputting. As long as there is current limiting built into the charging circuit (which is a must), then the charging circuit in the A500 won't pull any more amperage than it needs to charge. Don't worry about buying a higher amperage charger than is needed, but do worry about buying one that is lower as it can overload the charger.
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Yes... pulling too much amperage is a very bad thing.

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Bought one of these guys to hardwire a charger in my car:
http://www.mountguys.com/product_p/mfx5v-b-micro.htm
On the charger is specifies 5V 1500mA output. Is that ok? I know it's more than stock, but I thought circuitry can step it down if needed.
Also, I'm thinking I want to hardwire to the always hot lead that goes to the radio memory function. Any chance of current problems? Don't think it will drain my battery if I leave it charging while shopping (or at the bar)
Thanks.
I'm curious why you chose to hardwire it, when the device can only pull 700mA, and these little wonders work perfectly.
Nice! Got one of these also... twice the ports and 5X the price:
http://www.amazon.com/Griffin-Powerjolt-Dual-Universal-Micro/dp/B0042B9U8Q/ref=pd_cp_e_2
Yours and mine above specify 1A... this one:
http://www.amazon.com/Charger-Samsu...96/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1318442293&sr=8-15
2.1 A.
I just wanted a cleaner look in a little sports car... the hardwire is going to come out the panel and go straight to a dock. But now I'm worried that 1500 mA could be troublesome?
It won't be troublesome, just useless.
I have a setup for my iPod that utilizes one of what I linked. I've got a USB+RCA-to-dock cable running into my center console, then into a port in there, to some empty space in front of it (under the trim, totally invisible) where my audio guys spliced a new line into the RCA jacks that came from the factory, and split off another power line. The charger's in there, cable connects to the ports... It's nice and clean.
this should be fine. the amperage rating on a charger just tells what it is capable of if requested. it is up to the phone itself to provide the requested amount of current. that is to say if this charger can provide 1500mA, but our phones can only use 750mA, your good. it is provided all the current it needs. now on the other hand, if you were charging some device that could use 2000mA(unheard of) this charger would provide all it could, the device would just charge slower.
the voltage is fine. most chargers are rated at 5v, and should be spot on as long as it is a decent brand from a trusted source. a knock off may be out of spec to what it is rated. that is where you could run in to trouble with frying a phone.
anyway, besides all that, this seems risky. not hardwiring a charger to your car, but leaving it there while you are shopping or in the bar. ever heard that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure? id hate to come out of a bar to a broken window and no phone...
i never leave my phone unattended outside of my home.
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some device that could use 2000mA(unheard of)
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iPad, TouchPad, Galaxy Tab 10.1...
Guess I'm a noob.. very detailed answer in FAQ.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=802711&highlight=voltage+amps+charger
Now to find out if those pins are shorted...

[Q] Solar charging for Nook Touch

I've got hold of a solar panel that outputs 5v at around 350-450 ma. I was reading up on Li-Poly batteries (the Nook touch has Li-poly AFAIK) and I am concerned about this bit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_polymer_battery
LiPoly batteries must be charged carefully. The basic process is to charge at constant current until each cell reaches 4.2 V; the charger must then gradually reduce the charge current while holding the cell voltage at 4.2 V until the charge current has dropped to a small percentage of the initial charge rate, at which point the battery is considered 100% charged. Some manufacturers specify 2%, others 3%, but other values are also possible. The difference in achieved capacity is minute.
Balance charging simply means that the charger monitors the voltage of each cell in a pack and varies the charge on a per-cell basis so that all cells are brought to the same voltage.
It is important to note that trickle charging is not acceptable for lithium batteries; Li-poly chemistry cannot accept an overcharge without causing damage to the cell, possibly plating out lithium metal and becoming hazardous.[5] Most manufacturers claim a maximum and minimum voltage of 4.23 and 3.0 volts per cell. Taking any cell outside these limits can reduce the cell's capacity and ability to deliver full rated current.
Most dedicated lithium polymer chargers use a charge timer for safety; this cuts the charge after a predefined time (typically 90 minutes).
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So does anyone know if the Touch has intelligence built in on the device side for charging? I assume it does since you can connect to PC USB for charging. I'm hoping this is the case so I don't have to get some funky circuit between the panel and the nook to charge it on the road.
Any advice would be appreciated!
Yes, the Nook Touch has (as every electronic device which gets charged over a normal wall wart or USB) a builtin charging circuit.
I've been thinking of doing this; attaching a panel to the back and soldering onto the USB for a (hopefully) neater solution than using something external which puts pressure on the USB port
Just use a portable solar charger with a regular USB output port.
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There are actually quite a few out there to pick from if you look on amazon.
I have a "Power Monkey explorer" solar charger and it works, but it really isn't that great. It takes 8 hours of strong direct sunlight to charge the battery pack, which has a 2100 ma AA battery and then you plug this into whatever you want to charge. There is plenty of sun in the summer to charge it if I left it outside, but it really is a pia. I ususlly charge the battery pack from my computer and use it to charge my nook or cell phone when traveling if I need to. Hotels are really bad about putting electrical outlets in the rooms and shut the power off when you leave the room (any plastic card works to fix that problem).
I really don't think I would solder anything to the nook, you could do some major damage and the sun really isn't that relaible in most places. Also attaching a solar panel to the back of a device that would be damaged by excessive heat is asking for trouble. You would have to leave it in the sun for long periods of time and it would get hot. Plastic also degrades much quicker in direct sunlight so you would be damaging the case over time.
It is much better to use one of the kits with a battery pack for the above reasons and if it is a good kit it will have several adapters to you can charge a variety of devices. Unfortunately they are very expensive, I saw the one I have in Brussels for 79 euro last week. I got it for 10 euro as a promotional deal, and I wish I had bought all they had so I could sell them on e-bay.
If you are trying to save money on electricity, it will never work. I'm not sure where you live, but in the US, 1KWH Kilowatt hour (1000 watts for 1 hour) costs less than $1.00, although California is expected to be much higher. The battery on the touch is 1530mAh x 110v = 168.3 Wh, lets call it 200 with the conversion loss on the wall wart, so you can charge it about 5 times for less than $1, probably more like 10 because you rarely do a full drain and the cost is much less than $1. The solar charger I have is $89 on amazon, so you have to do between 100 and 200 complete charges before you broke even. However beacuse of the battery life, unless you really used it a lot, you most likely would never come close to breaking even. At half the projected battery life it would take about 10 years of only using the solar charger.
Don't get me wrong, I think Solar is great, but it is priced way too high to be practical. The charger I have probably costs less than $20 to manufacture in china, it sells for $89. Honestly, I think it would be cheaper to buy batteries and charge it from them than to use one of these small solar chargers, definately if you bought the batteries at Ikea!
I'm waiting for Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies, they have some really interesting stuff. In my opinion a solar powered fuel cell system is the way to go, certainly on a large scale. Still too exensive for small scale, but very cool. I've seen a house with a solar/fuel cell system completely off the grid. Large house, heat/ac, big frige and freezer, NO BATTERIES. Works great. Biggest problem I think is replacing or testing the storage tanks every 15 to 20 years.
FloydF said:
The battery on the touch is 1530mAh x 110v = 168.3 Wh, lets call it 200 with the conversion loss on the wall wart, so you can charge it about 5 times for less than $1
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Uh, the NST battery is 1530mAh sure, but it's only 3.7V so that would give it a more realistic total of 5.66Wh
The number of charges on a single KWh would be 176 (a little less as you need to account for losses in the charger and charging circuit.)
Now charging the NST from a solar cell small and flexible enough to fit the back of the NST would still be a PITA .. it will take ages, even in direct sunlight.
And, as Floyd points out, you really don't want to expose the dark back of the NST to direct sunlight, it will get insanely hot and degrade the plastic.
If you really need solar charging for your NST, something like this might be a more realistic option.

Lets take wireless charging one step forward.....

I feel Microsoft and their OEM's can revolutionize on the wireless charging and expand to solar charging, no other device offers this, I believe this will be minimal but beneficial.
What you guys think
937dytboi said:
I feel Microsoft and their OEM's can revolutionize on the wireless charging and expand to solar charging, no other device offers this, I believe this will be minimal but beneficial.
What you guys think
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I love the idea of wireless charging no more fumbling around searching for the cable to plug in. every night.
I will have one for my office desk and one for my bedside table thanks.
Glad to see Nokia take the lead in implementing this, the technology has been around a while, and if they follow this up with some great car accessories it would be fantastic.
Imagine a solar shirt designed with a wireless charging pocket. Place the phone in the pocket and it charges while you are walking. Walla
Just for the record the majority of Docomo mobiles (Japan) have been coming with the wireless charging pad for months now and they released solar charging handsets last year.
It is a nice idea though.
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Just for the record the majority of Docomo mobiles (Japan) have been coming with the wireless charging pad for months now and they released solar charging handsets last year.
It is a nice idea though.
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palm.... has had this like, forever.
before folks go GaGa over wireless charging, how are you going to USE your phone while its charging?
no phone calls except speaker phone.
no texting without knocking it off the charger ( or ewwww speak to txt ) or the good old " I'm not crazy!!! " Bluetooth yelling conversatikns.
no maps without knocking it over
basically , no functioning of the phone without picking it up.
cords still own the charging and usable portion of phones.
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palm.... has had this like, forever.
before folks go GaGa over wireless charging, how are you going to USE your phone while its charging?
no phone calls except speaker phone.
no texting without knocking it off the charger ( or ewwww speak to txt ) or the good old " I'm not crazy!!! " Bluetooth yelling conversatikns.
no maps without knocking it over
basically , no functioning of the phone without picking it up.
cords still own the charging and usable portion of phones.
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I agree with you about the wireless charging NOT, currently, the end-all-be-all.
They will have a "Dock" that you can stand your phone in with wireless charging. If you are used to it, you can use some functions while it is docked. For the most part, you can just pick it up, use it and set it right down without the worry if your cord is too short or anything. I know that yanking on the cord to use it while charging has cause many issues with ports being broken, so nice to know we're getting away from that.
I have BT headset, so phone calls while it is docked/charging is not an issue.
I think the biggest benefit to me in Wireless charging is that I am always on the go. I always have my phone with me and when I am at my desk, I have to get up at a moments notice sometimes. I just grab my phone and go, no need to worry about plugging it in or unplugging it.
Now, there is a place where Wireless charging will not take over, until someone makes something VERY stable and snug. Charging in the car. I will have a cord there.
Im quite looking forward to a new handset before xmas and very interested in the 920. Though I am concerned about the cost and practicality of a wireless charger for the car.
I do drive a fair amount and the satnav really gives the battery a hammering
Anyone seen and info on the car chargers looks/cost?
You cant use the phone while it is charging? Simple. Just pick it up off the plate, use it and then put it back on charge. The phone is not glued to the charging plate you know
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I plan on having the dock on my bedside table and the plate on my computer desk.
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You cant use the phone while it is charging? Simple. Just pick it up off the plate, use it and then put it back on charge. The phone is not glued to the charging plate you know
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I plan on having the dock on my bedside table and the plate on my computer desk.
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you're at 5% remaining battery, at your desk, and need to make a lengthy phone call (weak signal eats battery), that may require linking to web pages, emailing a link to a map, and checking your calendar..... would you rather have the phone die mid process or have it plugged in and charging?
in the car a dock+ wireless charging would sooooo rock. yes, agreed. please no proprietary plugs for audio though.
Maybe wired charging is still an option
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you're at 5% remaining battery, at your desk, and need to make a lengthy phone call (weak signal eats battery), that may require linking to web pages, emailing a link to a map, and checking your calendar..... would you rather have the phone die mid process or have it plugged in and charging?
in the car a dock+ wireless charging would sooooo rock. yes, agreed. please no proprietary plugs for audio though.
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Perhaps you will still be able to charge by wire?
ohgood said:
you're at 5% remaining battery, at your desk, and need to make a lengthy phone call (weak signal eats battery), that may require linking to web pages, emailing a link to a map, and checking your calendar..... would you rather have the phone die mid process or have it plugged in and charging?
in the car a dock+ wireless charging would sooooo rock. yes, agreed. please no proprietary plugs for audio though.
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luckily i have a phone and laptop at my desk so this situation is not that likely
but seriously. Solar is a moronic idea. Cell's just cannot generate enough power, let alone the amount of space it would take.
I would never let my battery go to 5% and yes you can still charge directly by cable. I don't see what the problem is.
There are accessories that can help you charge your phone using solar energy.
Pretty much every phone can be charged that way.
However, the phone batteries require a lot of electric power in order to regenerate the chemicals producing energy inside, and solar power with small panels does not produces that much voltage to charge it in comparable time to fast USB chargers or AC from power grids.
If the phone was running on native solar energy cells, it would have been much better, but that comes with its own set of problems.
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glad you said that. yep, and when its time to go, you're carrying the phone sized wireless charger, that wire, and your phone to wherever. the needless duplication was the point I was coming to.
now, about that awesome car dock, maybe it has an antennae and signal booster built in? that would so rock.
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glad you said that. yep, and when its time to go, you're carrying the phone sized wireless charger, that wire, and your phone to wherever. the needless duplication was the point I was coming to.
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I'm guessing you're being synical for the sake of an arguement; so if I may, I'll dig in
Personally, I like for the sake of not having to fumble around with a cable every time I want to charge my phone at night, or the office (my cables have a tendancy of finding their way back on the floor; and yes, I leave a spare charger at my desk, since no one steals).. I would be more likely to place my phone on a charging platform, even though the battery reads 85%, then the traditional method; reducing the odds of the battery falling to critical levels. Also, as more companies adopt Wireless Charge, less often will my friends be asking me if I have the proper cable, or have to hunt for it because it fell behind my desk again.
By the way, Nokia is working with businesses and airports, to implement "charging bars" at cafe's mini-bars and waiting gates.. Which is a far more attractive option then trying to source an outlet at the airport.
So yes, wireless charging will be useful to many others
synical? nope. just looking at real life usage. I'm plugged in right now, because soon it will be shut eye time, and the phone is making backups of whatever I scheduled, then it will drop box the stuff somewhere...yawwwwwwwn I know. boring.
the fact is, its not ergonomic to actually use a phone laying flat on its back, in a charger or dock, wireless or wired. if its in your hand, its usable.
"working with airports" implies that something, might happen, someday.
it would rock a metric **** tonne more, to have your dock/charger plugged in tomorrow, while waiting on your flight, and watch some Netflix or other movie.
show me the car dock that has wireless (phone to charger) connectionivity and I'll definitely stamp it as a win. otherwise, wireless charging is just a place to put a phone with some extra gee wiz.
I don't see why there is negativity or what the problem is. Wireless charging is not the ONLY way to charge the phone you know. You can still charge by cable directly. If Wireless Charging is not for you then don't buy the bleedin' charging plate. I for one love the idea. Reason being my last HTC had a faulty usb port from the constant plugging in and out for charging. Eventually it bust and the only way to charge it was by removing battery and using wall charger. Lost me money in resale. Now my usb port on my Radar is starting to play up. So if anything wireless charging will save wear and tear on the phone's usb port which is a GREAT thing! Plus if someone goes on holiday they would bring just the usb cable and not the plate. Its common sense. The plates are meant for home and office. Ohgood you say when its time to go you need to bring the plate, cable and phone with you. Here is an idea for you, leave the plate at home or office and just bring a charging cable with you. Good idea huh?
yeppers, excellent.
it seems that real world use is misconstrued to be negativity usually. also, any non " marketspeak " opinion is assumed negative. a few folks (you did) can comprehend the differences and see applications in real life usage.
ex: my carrier says my home city has "4g" coverage blanketing the entire city. there's one marketspeak (ms) term already, and one falisy. then they continue with "up to 14mbps" . real life usage proves its hspa in blanket , and hspa+ in pockets, but edge is really the all penetrating connectivity provided.
were I to say " ItS not really a blanket of hspa+ coverage" folks wouldn't say much, and would likely bemoan the market speak they're -used-to- hearing and knowing isn't exactly true.
should I attempt the same thing with an established, mature charging system that Nokia is prophesizing as the "future" , suddenly I'm being negative....
hope that cleared things up nicely.
Just to be clear, Nokia so did not invent wireless charging or were the first ones to use it. There have been competing standards for years. They seem to be the first high profile phonemaker to push it on a high-profile flagship phone and try to make it a standard. Just like Apple.
katamari201 said:
Just to be clear, Nokia so did not invent wireless charging or were the first ones to use it. There have been competing standards for years. They seem to be the first high profile phonemaker to push it on a high-profile flagship phone and try to make it a standard. Just like Apple.
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Nobody stated Nokia invented wireless charging.
It’s good to see they are willing to push new technology out and try to advance the whole mobile ecosystem unlike a curtain fruit company that has changed very little in their last 3 models.
I am amazed at how many glass half empty people there are.

Power on phone without battery

Anyone been able to turn on this phone and run it without a battery with permanent power?
Short answer: not possible.
Longer answer: You would need a pretty hefty engineering brain to figure this out, as the circuitry of the daughter board detects and adjusts the mainboards voltages and such, based on the battery output. When battery output is 0, meaning dead/removed battery, the daughter board doesn't supply voltages to the mainboard.
Now, you could replace the battery with a supercapacitor, but you'd need to have a pretty big one to output the current of a fully charged battery of the 6P - something around the 10kf mark, which IIRC from my university days, is roughly the size of 2 D-cell batteries or so. You'd then need to wire this all in, and even if you made it neat and 3D printed a new back, you went from a slim phone to a small brick. You'd also still need to provide current to charge the super capacitor, which doesn't use normal voltages like the charger and daughterboard can output, so you'd need to add in a voltage regulator board, wire that to the daughterboard, let the DB send current to the mainboard, and since this all outputs a lot of heat, now you run into a serious heating / cooling problem. Add a fan, a larger super capacitor to power said fan, and well, you now have something that looks like a bomb lol.
To touch further on the heat problem - my dash camera has a 10kf SC in it that I wired in instead of the crappy NiCad battery it came with. It was hot enough to keep the snow melted through the windshield on its own with 12v 1a current - roughly 20% of the current the wall charger of the 6p provides. It didn't keep the whole windshield free, rather, a spot large enough to let the camera do its thing without issue.
Thanks Wiltron for your reply. Doesn't seem worth it for me to go through that much trouble to be honest, besides, having something in your car that looks like a bomb these days will get me more attention than I want. I do have to say that I'm able to power the phone with just the charger connected, but up to a certain point, when the cpu spikes while booting it runs short of power and shuts off. Same thing when I'm fully booted into android, I disconnect the battery and it will stay running up to the point where I start some app or even just turn the phone on its side and the phone just goes dark. I'm thinking that the daughterboard does provide power to the motherboard without a battery, but just not enough. Do you think a heftier charger might overload the circuitry of the phone?
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Do you think a heftier charger might overload the circuitry of the phone?
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It can provide as much current as normal operations permit, however just make sure the cable and charger are official and supported, like Benson certified cables and a decent quality car charger like Anker.
Don't go crazy with the 50amp 120v brick chargers for cars, but don't grab the cheap ass gas station 0.5a 5v 4 for $10 special either
Tronsmart has good ones - I use one personally that has the certified USB C cable built into it.. minimal issues other than the thing does get hot

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